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[quote=Rotten1980;1097085]You bring up a good point about coaching candidates. Maybe looking at Grudens class is helpful? Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Tampa all got new coaches along with DC. The only team with elite talent is Detroit, but every team improved a lot record wise with Tampa an exception. Though they just kicked Grudens teeth in lol. He was the worst hire. [B]Why can't we do better?? [/B]That's really what I'm asking, every season quality HC talent is available, why do we have to end up with a loser who's totally over his head. It's zorn.2 but y'all don't want to accept it yet.[/quote]


We can't do better because we fire coaches too quickly - exactly what you're proposing.

That's the reason we had to settle for Zorn.
IMO, we have a talent issue in several key areas (o-line, CB/S). Even the great Lombardi would struggle to coach some of these guys up.

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You guys really don't see the similarities between Gruden and Zorn huh? Gruden can talk all he wants about everyone doing and getting better but exactly is he doing in that regard? That Colt McCoy play where everyone but Logan Paulsen gave up is damning and damaging to the coaching staff. This team is not prepared to play on Sundays. Not even close.

Zorn won 6 games his first season and that's a very low benchmark.

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Even Gruden would have to admit that he has done a poor job. There are breakdowns across all units - just today, offsides on kickoffs, lining up illegally on offense, and busted assugnments defensively. It is a team that lacks discipline, and that is a direct reflection on the head coach.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1097119]Even Gruden would have to admit that he has done a poor job. There are breakdowns across all units - just today, offsides on kickoffs, lining up illegally on offense, and busted assugnments defensively. It is a team that lacks discipline, and that is a direct reflection on the head coach.[/quote]

Indy had the same number of penalties as we did except for more yards.

Still, you're right. Over the course of the season way too many stupid mental mistakes.

Holding calls aren't always mental because it's so freaking arbitrary (could be called on every play) and sometimes you get beat and need to keep your qb from getting nuked.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;1097119]Even Gruden would have to admit that he has done a poor job. There are breakdowns across all units - just today, offsides on kickoffs, lining up illegally on offense, and busted assugnments defensively. It is a team that lacks discipline, and that is a direct reflection on the head coach.[/QUOTE]



I think Gruden has said he has done a poor job, more than once.

And when a team lacks discipline under multiple head coaches that's a reflection on the organization.

Gruden deserves an entire season before you can even attempt to write him off. And IMO he also deserves next year.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1097130]I think Gruden has said he has done a poor job, more than once.

And when a team lacks discipline under multiple head coaches that's a reflection on the organization.

Gruden deserves an entire season before you can even attempt to write him off. And IMO he also deserves next year.[/quote]

Agree he gets the opportunity to turn things around these last games. Nothing wrong with Snyder and FO starting to make inquiries elsewhere now though, it's due diligence at this point.

It's gotta feel like Zorn all over again for Snyder though. The idiotic play calls like going for it on fourth down pinned back in our own territory, and then not even have an audible to change the play when Indys crappy defense overloaded one side. This just ain't pro level coaching, very hard to watch.

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Even Marty Mornhinweg got 2 whole seasons before the Lions canned him and he's one of the worst NFL coaches of all time. You gotta give Gruden a real shot next season.

I feel like coaches, unless they go.. like 0-16, deserve at least 2 seasons to be judged thoroughly before deciding whether or not to keep or kick them.

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The opening post is an extreme overreaction. Firing Gruden after onr year is part of the readon The Skins have been perennial losers the past two decades. For better or worse lets ride it out and see what Gruden can do as head coach.

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I would disagree on how good of a coach he was. He does have the rings but he had a great qb to help him... As much as I can't stand belicheck he is a good coach. He was doing well with bledsoe before he got hurt. Gibbs,(1) & parcells were great coaches, got rings with multiple qb's. Gibbs(2) not so good, the game passed him by but I think he taught danny boy patience.



[quote=SolidSnake84;1097039]I agree but the argument was that we needed a HC who was a winner and knew what he was getting into here. Regardless of John Elway or not, Shanahan does have those super bowl rings.

That's like saying Bill Belicheck isn't crap without Tom Brady. The future may show that, who can say...[/quote]

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Any coach deserves 2 years minimum. The first year the coach will have to keep several players he really doesn't want to, and he has to see how the whole units work together.

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I'm okay with giving him another year, but he has done a lot of rookie HC mistakes on and off the field.

I would like to see a change in the FO though, I think the team has had too many miscues in putting together an offensive line. Granted that Moses, Long, and some of the younger o-linemen could star producing next year, I'd like to see the team get a solid FA o-lineman on the right side.

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Long can't even beat out Chester. Moses was unable to beat out Polumbus and Compton. Not looking good so far with either draft pick.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097142]Long can't even beat out Chester. Moses was unable to beat out Polumbus and Compton. Not looking good so far with either draft pick.[/quote]

Which brings me to the point of coaching. Are we really missing out on good o-linemen in the draft or is it a coaching problem? We are drafting o-linemen, but we can't seem to get a player good enough to replace the terrible players we have (Chester/Polumbus/Compton) or maybe we are but the coaches are not doing a good job developing these players.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1097144]Which brings me to the point of coaching. Are we really missing out on good o-linemen in the draft or is it a coaching problem? We are drafting o-linemen, but we can't seem to get a player good enough to replace the terrible players we have (Chester/Polumbus/Compton) or maybe we are but the coaches are not doing a good job developing these players.[/quote]

Too me, it's little coaching but I'm starting to believe the dipshits in the scouting department need to go. We need a new gm to come in and revamp scouting.

This is something danny boy needs to get on top of asap.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=saden1;1097116]You guys really don't see the similarities between Gruden and Zorn huh? Gruden can talk all he wants about everyone doing and getting better but exactly is he doing in that regard? That Colt McCoy play where everyone but Logan Paulsen gave up is damning and damaging to the coaching staff. This team is not prepared to play on Sundays. Not even close.

Zorn won 6 games his first season and that's a very low benchmark.[/quote]

I believe Zorn went 8-8 year one.