Re: Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?
 

[quote=TAFKAS;274952]You know what's funny? All this talk recently about how Dungy has shown that you don't have to be a hard-ass drill sargeant coach to win a Super Bowl, unlike the Parcells, Billicks, and Belichicks of the world.

I'm sorry, didn't Gibbs demonstrate that three different times?[/quote]

Yes, he sure did.

Re: Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?
 

[quote=vaoutlaws2006;274754]My dad...god rest his soul....would flip out if he knew gibbs was coaching the skins again and not calling the plays. his offense might have been a little out dated but it was working. I cant believe what he has turned into which is basically the CEO on the sidelines.[/quote]

Like Irish said this is simply a different coach. We are all different when we get older. Dick Vermeil was the ultimate hard ass. When he got to KC he chilled out.

I was watching the America's Game highlights on the 91 Skins. I paid close attention to the offensive plays that were run. All I gotta say is outdated my ass. Wasn't Gibbs 1 the first to start bunching 3 wr's to one side of the field w/ the Posse? I saw Rypien rolling out to the left and throwing back across the field several times. And vice versa. I saw play action passes that are run in today's game. I mostly saw 4 wr's go out on pass patterns. I saw some TE trap runs w/ Don Warren coming across the formation and killing people. So I'm not sure what all this outdated stuff is. I know Gibbs 2 seems more conservative. For what ever reason. So for that reason I'm glad Saunders is calling plays. Hopefully we will see a more explosive offense next year.

Re: Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?
 

[quote=irish;274685]At this moment in time I think Norv and Joe are about equal. I never thought I'd say that but Joe just does not have it in today's NFL.[/quote]

One thing a HC has to do is command respect from his players. Norv will never do this when he walks in a room. He may be a great play caller and O/C but that's it. He will never be a leader of men. At least Joe still commands the respect from his players.

Re: Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?
 

It took Turner until his 6th year to take the Skins to the playoffs.

Gibbs did it in his 2nd year back.

Turner is a joke as a NFL head coach. Gibbs is a Hall of Famer.

Comparing the two isn't even worth the time.

Re: Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?
 

[quote=irish;274685]At this moment in time I think Norv and Joe are about equal. I never thought I'd say that but Joe just does not have it in today's NFL.[/quote]

Huh? When has Norv proved that he has had "it" ever?

Norv is a great offensive coordinator. That is it.

Re: Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;275356]It took Turner until his 6th year to take the Skins to the playoffs.

Gibbs did it in his 2nd year back.

Turner is a joke as a NFL head coach. Gibbs is a Hall of Famer.

Comparing the two isn't even worth the time.[/quote]

Amen to that! Let's start comparing Turner to Gibbs once he wins three Super Bowls. We all know that will never happen! It's absurd to say Turner is a better head coach than Gibbs at any point, heck he isn't even on par with Herm Edwards!

Re: Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?
 

[quote=ncskinsfanec;275367]Amen to that! Let's start comparing Turner to Gibbs once he wins three Super Bowls. We all know that will never happen! It's absurd to say Turner is a better head coach than Gibbs at any point, heck he isn't even on par with Herm Edwards![/quote]

Three Super Bowls? How about three playoff games. There are not a whole lot of coaches that I would take Norv over.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;275369]Three Super Bowls? How about three playoff games. There are not a whole lot of coaches that I would take Norv over.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying Norv is a great coach but of all the coaches the skins have had since 1993 (including Gibbs now) Norv is the best of a bad bunch. That tells you how bad this organization has been.

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At the moment, that's like trying to compare a Knife wound to a gunshot wound. Which is worse? By the way, Norv is the gunshot wound.
Do you seriously contend that Norv is a better coach than Gibbs........ever?

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[quote=irish;275401]I'm not saying Norv is a great coach but of all the coaches the skins have had since 1993 (including Gibbs now) Norv is the best of a bad bunch. That tells you how bad this organization has been.[/quote]

Are you suffering from football fatigue? I think you need a break until draft time. Norv isn't even better than Marty since then. Since '93 I'd put Gibbs first and Shottenheimer second. Norv's third, at best. Although it isn't really much to brag about considering how inept the team has been in that time.

Re: Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?
 

[QUOTE=ncskinsfanec;275422]Are you suffering from football fatigue? I think you need a break until draft time. Norv isn't even better than Marty since then. Since '93 I'd put Gibbs first and Shottenheimer second. Norv's third, at best. Although it isn't really much to brag about considering how inept the team has been in that time.[/QUOTE]

You are correct, its not much to brag about. I guess I kind of dismiss Marty because he was only here a year but if you count him then the order is Marty, Norv, & JG. The winning % are Marty .500, Norv .490, JG .437.
I hope JG can turn it around and vault himself into the lead.

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[quote=irish;275461]You are correct, its not much to brag about. I guess I kind of dismiss Marty because he was only here a year but if you count him then the order is Marty, Norv, & JG. The winning % are Marty .500, Norv .490, JG .437.
I hope JG can turn it around and vault himself into the lead.[/quote]

You said it! I hope next season is more like 2005 and nothing like 2006. I didn't realize the winning percentages read like that.

Re: Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?
 

[QUOTE=irish;275401]I'm not saying Norv is a great coach but of all the coaches the skins have had since 1993 (including Gibbs now) Norv is the best of a bad bunch. That tells you how bad this organization has been.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but that is one heapin' load of the smelly stuff. It took Norv nearly all of the 90's just to have one winning season. At least Gibbs brought us back to the playoffs in his second year back. Shotty would've probably had this team at least no worse than 10-6 if Snyder would've put his itchy trigger finger back in the holster after that first season. Norv wasn't the worse, but he certainly wasn't the best.