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"I'm only 19 but my mind is old" - Prodigy

The Steelers have been pretty secretive this preseason with regards to their new D. I doubt they will pull out any of the stops they have. I'm really interested to see how Campbell will deal with all the different looks their 3-4 package brings.

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did anyone catch Lendale "FatAlbert" White? I thought an o lineman was running the ball

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Steelers will be a nice test for us. Hopefully we will see marked improvement from last night with regards to JC and the O line. A pass rush would be a nice thing also, but not holding my breath.

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i can't believe that the skins coaches let campbell take a beating like that in the 1 st preseason game.other than that,i thought campbell looked very good,so did the running game.not an impressive win or showing,but no major
injuries and 14 points is good.

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Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't get Campbell out after the 2nd time he got wrecked.

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Perhaps they believed that Jason is too strong?? I mean, look at him, he is kinda pretty big..

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JC needs to play as long as he can during preseason. He needs the work. Maybe Gibbs kept him in there hoping he gets hurt so Brunell can be his starter. Just kidding. i think lo

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Campbell needs all the reps he can get. I think Gibbs will play him as much as he can depending on the flow of the game. With last night he wanted to give him a chance to get comfortable and get in a rhythm. If JC had done that early on he probably wouldn't have played so long.

It just goes along with the new emphasis that the coaches are placing on these preseason games.

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[quote=Bstanley;339437]How can you have a season Analysis on the first pre-season game?[/quote]


Quite easily actually, give a man about a case of beer (a depressant) and sit him in front of his favorite team. Then when the game is over give that same man access to a computer. WA LA, a season analysis. In all honesty with the excecption of the Final Analysis, I thought that my observations were pretty on the mark.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;339591]Quite easily actually, give a man about a case of beer (a depressant) and sit him in front of his favorite team. Then when the game is over give that same man access to a computer. WA LA, a season analysis. In all honesty with the excecption of the Final Analysis, I thought that my observations were pretty on the mark.[/QUOTE]

True agree with ya there.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;339591]Quite easily actually, give a man about a case of beer (a depressant) and sit him in front of his favorite team. Then when the game is over give that same man access to a computer. WA LA, a season analysis. In all honesty with the excecption of the Final Analysis, I thought that my observations were pretty on the mark.[/QUOTE]

True agree with ya there.

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I saw several positives, and several negatives. Overall not bad, but the O-line is a concern.

***I didn't see it in the thread anywhere, but am I the only one who saw Frost jack up the punt returner for the Titans?

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that was a sweet hit, and it caused a fumble

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JC looked like he had a better grasp of the game but that delivery still makes me shake my head. I know its supposedly shorter thanks to coaching but its still too long and the ball hangs out there what seems like an eternity. The Titans were swiping at the ball like crazy and other teams will do the same. JC needs to develop a much more compact delivery that does not hang the ball out during the windup.

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I was very pleased with Jason Cambell's performance for the most part. The O-line needs Much improvement and i hope to GOD that Chris S. helps ALOT. I will still be very conserned with the O-line when it comes to the running game. The defense was very good but like others have said this was up against a T. Collins and we all know how bad he is. ALL in ALL. I am a die hard Redskin fan and i still see Playoffs this year. Is my vision clouded? Maybe.....

Hail to the REDSKINS.

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To me it looked likt two teams playing their first preseason games. I'll reserve comments until after a couple of more preseason games. I will say that D lineman (not sure who it was) who hit the QB instead of going after the ball was the best play of the night and was a very heads up play. I know that the snap was rolling back to the QB but if it had been a good snap he would have been in the guys face anyways.

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I watched pretty much the whole game (got caught in the line at Chipotle trying to get dinner for me and the misses), and have to say...Chris Samuels better be ready for Game 1, or Jason Taylor will line up over Heyer/Fabini/Gap Player and flat out destroy Jason Campbell...all damn day. The line seems a bit lost without him. The plays JC made looked solid, but he needs to learn to get rid of the ball a bit quicker.

The defense looked pretty good against an aging backup QB and average RBs and WRs. I'm hoping it's a picture of what's to come, however I'll wait and see. Fletcher was all over the place, and the secondary looked pretty good, but I'm not going to get my hopes up just yet.

It's a good thing there are 3 more games, because if it were decided today, I'd imagine Collins being #2 over Brunell. Brunell looked plain horrible, and while Collins was playing against 3rd and 4th string Ds, he looked solid doing so. I wonder if they are starting to regret letting Bramlet go...or if Palmer looks like someone they can mold on the Practice Squad.

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[quote=irish;339620]JC looked like he had a better grasp of the game but that delivery still makes me shake my head. I know its supposedly shorter thanks to coaching but its still too long and the ball hangs out there what seems like an eternity. The Titans were swiping at the ball like crazy and other teams will do the same. JC needs to develop a much more compact delivery that does not hang the ball out during the windup.[/quote]

I guess it's something you'll never be happy with because he's just not going to ever have a lightening quick release. His throwing motion is what it is. I thought his release has been improved enough, he's holding the ball higher in his drop back and the hitch is less pronounced this year, but in the end you can't completely change his motion, especially when it's not a huge issue to begin with. I think his long arms also give the illusion of a slower motion.

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I see the usual bitching about Brunell but I honestly don't see where he was all that bad. They moved the ball a bit while he was in there, and at that point he was playing with scrubs.

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I think he would have been better had he not been getting crushed on EVERY third down.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;339645]I guess it's something you'll never be happy with because he's just not going to ever have a lightening quick release. His throwing motion is what it is. I thought his release has been improved enough, he's holding the ball higher in his drop back and the hitch is less pronounced this year, but in the end you can't completely change his motion, especially when it's not a huge issue to begin with. I think his long arms also give the illusion of a slower motion.[/QUOTE]

I agree that he will never have a Dan Marino type release. I think this is a bigger issue than people think because when teams will start swiping at the ball (especially if this O line does not get its act together by week 1) while its hanging out there and that can create turnovers. I hope I'm wrong but time will tell.

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Yaaay! Todd Collins was 5/5 against the defensive guys that won't make the team! He's our backup for the future.

:benched:
Don't overreact guys.

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[quote=hagams;339606]I saw several positives, and several negatives. Overall not bad, but the O-line is a concern.

***I didn't see it in the thread anywhere, but am I the only one who saw Frost jack up the punt returner for the Titans?[/quote]

That was awesome! They were talking about his high school linebacker experience when he did it. :D

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I have to say though I was pleasantly surprised when I saw Todd Collins accurately throw the ball. Not just little screen passes he had that one 20+ yard pass.

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[quote=irish;339651]I agree that he will never have a Dan Marino type release. I think this is a bigger issue than people think because when teams will start swiping at the ball (especially if this O line does not get its act together by week 1) while its hanging out there and that can create turnovers. I hope I'm wrong but time will tell.[/quote]


I don't think he'll have a problem with defenses knocking down his passes at all. Campbell is a pretty tall guy, so he'll be able to see and deliver the ball over most Dlineman. Also, he doesn't sling the ball sideways or cock from the hip, so I don't see that being an issue.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;339692]I don't think he'll have a problem with defenses knocking down his passes at all. Campbell is a pretty tall guy, so he'll be able to see and deliver the ball over most Dlineman. Also, he doesn't sling the ball sideways or cock from the hip, so I don't see that being an issue.[/QUOTE]

I am not talking about batted passes, I 'm talking about the ball being swatted from his hand because he has to bring the ball so far back to throw it.

Marino held the ball up by his ear and flicked it, JC cant do that. JC has to bring his arm back to throw and on Sat night it looked like that ball was sitting there for the taking.

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[quote=GridIron26;339278]Wow what a great way to praise a guy who worked hard and wants to win a spot on [B]rooster list[/B].. I gotta give this guy some credits for trying to tackling with no helmet on.. This guy should be on the [B]rooster[/B], perhaps practice squad..[/quote]

:smashfrea:rofl:

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[quote=irish;339728]I am not talking about batted passes, I 'm talking about the ball being swatted from his hand because he has to bring the ball so far back to throw it.

Marino held the ball up by his ear and flicked it, JC cant do that. JC has to bring his arm back to throw and on Sat night it looked like that ball was sitting there for the taking.[/quote]

Oh, I see what you're saying. Perhaps...we'll have to wait and see on that I guess.

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[quote=irish;339728]I am not talking about batted passes, I 'm talking about the ball being swatted from his hand because he has to bring the ball so far back to throw it.

Marino held the ball up by his ear and flicked it, JC cant do that. JC has to bring his arm back to throw and on Sat night it looked like that ball was sitting there for the taking.[/quote]

I think this is a coaching preference and it seems like this staff does not think that it's going to be a problem. He can put the ball by his ear but it might mess up his accuracy. Leftwitch does the same thing.

If you ever watch any of Spurrier's QB's they will all have the ball right by their ear, and I think he makes his QB's do this.

If you watch Kurt Warner he does the same thing that JC does but he has a much quicker release. He holds the ball low and that is why he fumbles so much which lead him to the bench.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;339736]I think this is a coaching preference and it seems like this staff does not think that it's going to be a problem. He can put the ball by his ear but it might mess up his accuracy. Leftwitch does the same thing.

If you ever watch any of Spurrier's QB's they will all have the ball right by their ear, and I think he makes his QB's do this.

If you watch Kurt Warner he does the same thing that JC does but he has a much quicker release. He holds the ball low and that is why he fumbles so much which lead him to the bench.[/QUOTE]

If JC has a career like Kurt Warner Skins fans will be tickled pink.

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[QUOTE=Buster;339671]Yaaay! Todd Collins was 5/5 against the defensive guys that won't make the team! He's our backup for the future.

:benched:
Don't overreact guys.[/QUOTE]


But that is what preseason and preseason discussion is all about!
(do you understand why I don't watch preseason now?)

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TYT has the game up now, so i'll be able to watch, even if i'm a bit late to the party :/

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[quote=Buster;339671]Yaaay! Todd Collins was 5/5 against the defensive guys that won't make the team! He's our backup for the future.

:benched:
Don't overreact guys.[/quote]

No matter what Collins does he can't get a break. Give the guy some credit. He looked sharp. He can't help it who is on the field when he gets in the game.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;339851]No matter what Collins does he can't get a break. Give the guy some credit. He looked sharp. He can't help it who is on the field when he gets in the game.[/QUOTE]

Seriously. I mean have people forgotten he's throwing to the likes of Jason McAddley and Carl Berman?

I'm still torn on whether he should be our 3rd stringer or Palmer, but Collins isn't terrible.

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collins as of right now is light years ahead of Brunell.

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Brunell going against the same people couldnt get the ball to any WR downfield. But he sure as hell rolled out and threw a perfect pass to the sideline in midseason form.

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Collins had that one 30 yard pass to Eric Edwards, but otherwise each Collins and Brunell had around 4 completions for around 8-10 yards per.

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[quote=SmootSmack;339883]Collins had that one 30 yard pass to Eric Edwards, but otherwise each Collins and Brunell had around 4 completions for around 8-10 yards per.[/quote]

yea but he was SUPER SMART with his throws.

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Look I would love to see our quarterbacks throw 60% and complete between the 8-15 yard range because it's an easier throw and it's either a first down or very close. That with a better than average running game which we should have will march our offense down the field all day.