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[QUOTE=GMScud;358647]A couple of things here-
Gibbs brought in Saunders to implement a system. He wouldn't have done that if he was satisfied his old school style would hold up nowadays. The TE is a huge part of a Saunders offense. And Cooley has been phenomenal. Just as Gonzalez was phenomenal when Saunders was in KC. I agree that Gibbs likes the TE to be a blocker, but Don Warren and Clint Didier caught their share of passes too. Cooley is a mismatch weapon on offense, and should be used as such. Gibbs drafted him to be his signature "h-back," and he's worked out as far as production is concerned, even though the h-back isn't around now. Now that the line is dinged we may need to use more two TE sets, with Cooley as a passing option and Yoder staying in to help block.

[b]I disagree that Sellers can't block Strahan types. At 285lbs he is as big or bigger than most DE's in the league. [/b]

And despite the two injuries on the O-line, we are pretty healthy. We need to come out and pound this Lions squad.[/QUOTE]

I think you misunderstood me. I didn't say he couldn't block him, I just said with 5 yards of strahan running at him...well, no one really will win that battle. Strahan will run over anyone when he has that much speed up. A stationary Sellers vs a full speed Strahan is not good...Sellers won't be in a situation where he's on the line to block him from scratch.
Sellers also is not the greatest of pass blockers. He's good, but not as good as he could be...he is more beneficial in the run game.

I do agree with most of what you said. I know we need to free up Cooley, but I'd rather have protection. So while I do agree with you, I disagree about your comments with Didier and Warren. Wasn't Warren named an honorary Hog? Anywho...Didier never had more than 41 catches and only had 2 other seasons of 30 or more in his career. Warren never had more than 31 catches. Cooley has had a 71 catch season and a 57 catch season. I say all that to show that both Didier and Warren were blockers first receivers 2nd.

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BTW
Cooley - 171 catches in 3.25 seasons.
Didier - 141 catches in 8 season.
Warren - 244 catches in 14 seasons.

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[quote=jsarno;358661]BTW
Cooley - 171 catches in 3.25 seasons.
Didier - 141 catches in 8 season.
Warren - 244 catches in 14 seasons.[/quote]

All I said was they caught their share of passes. You have to play to your strengths. Gibbs drafted Cooley before Saunders was even on our radar. He's been our most consistent weapon in the passing game. I know traditional "Gibbs" football has a block 1st TE, but he brought in Saunders for a reason, and the TE plays a very prominent role in his offense.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;358663]All I said was they caught their share of passes. You have to play to your strengths. Gibbs drafted Cooley before Saunders was even on our radar. He's been our most consistent weapon in the passing game. I know traditional "Gibbs" football has a block 1st TE, but he brought in Saunders for a reason, and the TE plays a very prominent role in his offense.[/QUOTE]

I do 100% agree with you there.
I will say this though...remember the Spurrier era here? The send everyone out to catch and skrew blocking era? I guess I am just more hesitant to put Cooley out to catch when our O line is hurting. I know we need him to catch and open up the offense, but we need blocking too.

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[quote=jsarno;358669]I do 100% agree with you there.
I will say this though...remember the Spurrier era here? The send everyone out to catch and skrew blocking era? I guess I am just more hesitant to put Cooley out to catch when our O line is hurting. I know we need him to catch and open up the offense, but we need blocking too.[/quote]

With Moss gimpy we need all the help we can get in the passing game. Cooley is too good to be relegated to blocking. We gotta score more!!!

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[QUOTE=GMScud;358670]With Moss gimpy we need all the help we can get in the passing game. Cooley is too good to be relegated to blocking. We gotta score more!!![/QUOTE]

We won't score more without blocking. The O line is the most important "overall" position on the field IMO. It all starts there.

I like the idea of two TE sets though. Let Yoder block...he can't really catch well. LOL.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;357836]Indy, NE, and GB all have HoF quarterbacks. Dallas is an exception, but when you have a rookie QB, and are leading by multiple scores, common wisdom is to run clock. Otherwise, you might end up committing turnovers and giving the other team a chance to win. Imagine if we came out passing in the 2nd half, and JC threw a pick for TD. Whoops, now our lead is only 1 TD. What's better -- going 3 and out, or that?[/quote]


No guts no glory, leave it all out on the field, let em play, he aint going to get good if you keep holding him back. All of those and then some come to mind. Either he learns to be a stellar QB very quickly or we find out that he is not sooner. Bottom line you have to give him a chance. I think he earned that opportunity in the offseason. Now he needs to take his lumps and learn on game day. I would rather we lose the game by trying to win it, than lose the game trying nurse a mediocre lead.

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Back in the day when Joe ver.1 was beating up the NFL, we simply had a COMPLETE team at every position, with an emphasis put on the O-line. Our O-line was hands down, the best in the league. Nobody blocked better for the running game, and nobody pass protected better. Come the 4th quarter, other teams simply tapped-out from the pounding. Also, we were winning games by big scores, and doing so with no trickery. It wasn't fancy, just basic football played with heart, and a team that believed in what it was doing. This team has alot to prove from last year's disappointment, I'm willing to let them do it. Us as fans need to support them, but it is time to start playing like a team that has had the same Hall of Fame coach now for 4 years. This coach is a winner, and he has the Super Bowls to prove it, but that is long history. I'll just close by saying this, "Redskins, stop talking about doing something, and start doing something."

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[QUOTE=4mrusmc;358938]Back in the day when Joe ver.1 was beating up the NFL, we simply had a COMPLETE team at every position, with an emphasis put on the O-line. Our O-line was hands down, the best in the league. Nobody blocked better for the running game, and nobody pass protected better. Come the 4th quarter, other teams simply tapped-out from the pounding. Also, we were winning games by big scores, and doing so with no trickery. It wasn't fancy, just basic football played with heart, and a team that believed in what it was doing. This team has alot to prove from last year's disappointment, I'm willing to let them do it. Us as fans need to support them, but it is time to start playing like a team that has had the same Hall of Fame coach now for 4 years. This coach is a winner, and he has the Super Bowls to prove it, but that is long history. I'll just close by saying this, "Redskins, stop talking about doing something, and start doing something."[/QUOTE]

You bring the point up about the blocking. A while back I said here that if I had to start a team from scratch and I could have anyone I wanted, I would pick the best LT, RT, 2 guards, and Center in the league all first, then pick from there. You can have anyone play RB and just about anyone play QB if you have the best pass protection and run blocking money can buy. Gibbs knows this as well...Just look at Rypien, he was one of the worst QBs the Skins have ever had to start, but his protection was amazing and he had a couple good years here. I guarentee if Jason Campbell had that line, he would throw for 4000 yards.
The loss of Jansen and Thomas are hurting more than anyone wants to admit.

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[quote=jsarno;358660]I think you misunderstood me. I didn't say he couldn't block him, I just said with 5 yards of strahan running at him...well, no one really will win that battle. Strahan will run over anyone when he has that much speed up. A stationary Sellers vs a full speed Strahan is not good...Sellers won't be in a situation where he's on the line to block him from scratch.
Sellers also is not the greatest of pass blockers. He's good, but not as good as he could be...he is more beneficial in the run game.

I do agree with most of what you said. I know we need to free up Cooley, but I'd rather have protection. So while I do agree with you, I disagree about your comments with Didier and Warren. Wasn't Warren named an honorary Hog? Anywho...Didier never had more than 41 catches and only had 2 other seasons of 30 or more in his career. Warren never had more than 31 catches. Cooley has had a 71 catch season and a 57 catch season. I say all that to show that both Didier and Warren were blockers first receivers 2nd.[/quote]Some important distinctions in the blocking roles of Didier and Warren: Warren was a classic blocking tight end, almost always lined up on the line of scrimmage next to the OT. Didier was the H-back in a single running back offense. He might be lined up wide on passing plays and he was often put in motion, especially on running plays. I think of the H-back in Gibbs offense as more of a pass receiving fullback than a blocking TE, especially on passing downs.

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Let's look at the 4 undefeated teams in the league and their passing statistics.

Dallas Romo, TO, Clayton 1153 yards
Indy Manning, Harrison, Wayne 1051 yards
Green Bay Favre, Driver, Jennings 1155 yards
NE Brady, Moss, Stallworth 1099 yards


Washington Campbell, Moss, Randle El 792 yards

I factored in our average yards/game to calculate if we didn't have a bye.


Now, I know you guys are "happy" with 2-1, but I want 3-0....and 4-0.
We have what I think is a good QB and good WR's, lets play like it.....throw on first.....run on 2nd and third.....I don't care, just go for it!!!!!!!! The lions are gonnna score.....maybe 20+ points....they've done it every week, so we need to do the same.

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Gibbs style can work now. But the problem is he doesnt coach like he did in the past. He was to conservative now than he was in the past. When your up 14 points its not the time to sit on the ball. Its time to put your foot on the other teams ass and blow then out. Like Dallas does now and NE and the Colts. they keep on trying to score all the time. Keeping the pressure on the other teams all the time. We use to do that in the past with gibbs,

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My thing is this. Let's rewind back to the Giants game. We were up 14 points in the second half. If I seem to remember correctly, didn't the Giants get the ball first in the second half? Didn't they score a TD on that drive? Maybe I'm wrong, but I was thinking this is what happened. So, basically, the Redskins had a 7 point lead when they received the ball. So, the 'skins get the ball back, do a quick three and out and the Giants come back and score again. Now, we're all tied up! So, is it the offense or defense or both? Hhmmm... Now, on the the real point....

If we throw three incomplete passes down field, stopping the clock each time we do this, then how is that any better than a ball controlled approach? Yeah, there is more time left for us to get the ball, but at the same time, it puts our defense back on the field just as fast, if not faster. Ok, well let's just pass on first down and run on second. Ok, well suppose that first down pass is incomplete. Are we going to run on second down? If we get a minimal gain on second down, we set ourselves up for a third and long. We throw an incompletion on that down, we still have to punt after a three an out, and we still stop the clock. This gives the opposing team more time and more opportunities to score.

I can see why Gibbs or any coach would want to apply a more ball controlled approach with a basically a rookie QB in the line up. Now, certainly you can say, "Well Romo is in the very same situation that Campbell is in." Yes, I agree, but the big difference is Dallas's receivers are doing a better job of catching the ball. Our receivers have dropped quite a few balls so far this year. If we had a few key passes caught from Moss, we would've beat both Miami and Philadelphia by larger margins. And, receivers doing a better job with catching the ball gives the QB more confidence to throw the ball down field AND gives the coach more confidence to open the offense up. But, that hasn't happened, and it sounds to me like those are problems with EXECUTION!

The point I'm making is this. You run more on first down. Even if you only gain a minimal amount of yards, you still have the opportunity to either pass or run again on second down. If either gives you a third and short, then you still have that option to either run or pass. And, you have higher percentage plays to choose from....plays that keep the clock running, keeps your offense on the field, and shortens the game.

This is what Gibbs is wanting to do for Campbell. He wants to shorten the game for the guy. Yes, being too conservative can bite ya in the butt and there is a fine line to follow with playing like this. However, it is better to bring a QB up like that, rather than to put him in the fire and expect him to win every game himself. Campbell is not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning...YET! He's Jason Campbell. He might be better than those guys in a couple of years, but we all have to learn patience. I've said this time and time again. Do I like to lose? Heck no. But, I like things being down right. I am much like Gibbs when it comes to paying attention to detail. I don't want to assume anything. With Gibbs, he's still trying to figure out what type of players he has. He is still trying to see what Campbell can really do for us. It's going to take this season for the coaching staff and the fans to really know what Campbell can do. And yet, we're still 2-1 and have a good chance at having a winning record this year. We all should see that Jason Campbell isn't quite there yet, but this is what is so exciting. The fact that he is just getting started, making his mistakes, but still leading his team to a winning record. We all want perfection right away. Well, it's not going to happen right away.

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Yes but Gibbs comments coming out of the half. Was that he was worried about pass pertection, even though we starting passing on the giants at the beginning of the game throwing deep to moss. He was so worried about the protecting the second half to run on first down, Instead of teams like dallas,NE<Indy who keep going for the jugular.

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[QUOTE=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;359226]Yes but Gibbs comments coming out of the half. Was that he was worried about pass pertection, even though we starting passing on the giants at the beginning of the game throwing deep to moss. He was so worried about the protecting the second half to run on first down, Instead of teams like dallas,NE<Indy who keep going for the jugular.[/QUOTE]


But we have the right side of our line out because of injury. Wouldn't you think pass protection would be a concern? Like I said earlier, those teams are better than us at completing passes. Our receivers have dropped a lot very catchable balls this year.

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Ah man...this topic starts with the notion that " Gibb's Football don't work" anymore as a fact.
What happens if the team gets rolling on a winning streak...do we start giving coach Gibbs credit for doing what he has always done?

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[QUOTE=DCborn;359425]Ah man...this topic starts with the notion that " Gibb's Football don't work" anymore as a fact.
What happens if the team gets rolling on a winning streak...do we start giving coach Gibbs credit for doing what he has always done?[/QUOTE]

He ALWAYS gets credit. No one can question him when we lose though. He is apparently a god.
I think we'll all gladly kiss his rings if he did what works...problem is he's not doing what works, he's stubbornly sticking to things that doesn't work!

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[quote=DCborn;359425]Ah man...this topic starts with the notion that " Gibb's Football don't work" anymore as a fact.
What happens if the team gets rolling on a winning streak...do we start giving coach Gibbs credit for doing what he has always done?[/quote]

The intention of the thread was to ask why people think Gibbs' style of football doesn't work... when it clearly does since so many of his basic principles and overall influences are evident throughout the league.

Your point is well taken though, if the team gets on a hot streak the doubters will shut up and not say much of anything. That's just how things roll, people love to dwell on the negative and people typically have much more to say when things are going bad vs. when they are going good.

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[quote=SmootSmack;357528]
"Gibbs' Football" permeates throughout the league. The single back sets you see all throughout the league, you can thank Joe Gibbs for that. The Steelers offense that won them a Super Bowl 2 years ago, and has them at 3-0 this year, you can thank Joe Gibbs for that. The Trips formations that the aforementioned Steelers and defending champion Colts use, you can thank Joe Gibbs for that. The multiple (2-3) tight end sets that arguably the two best teams in the NFL today (Cowboys and Patriots) use, you can thank Joe Gibbs for that.

[/quote]

Let's not forget the H-Back, this was also invented by Gibbs.

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I can't believe this thread is still going. When we score 28+ vs. the lions, what will everyone say then? That it was Al Saunders, not Gibbs? This bye week has taken, like, forever.

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What are you going to say when we lose the game because we can't score points, BleedBurgundy.

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It's not that people don't think Gibb's football works....it just seemed that he was outcoached against the Giants......which hurts his credibility as a football mind. He is getting older....and he seems to have more trouble making quick gut decisions and adjusting to the other team....that's why he hired saunders.....

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I love having him in the locker room though.....but he is extremely old haha

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[quote=Daseal;359562]What are you going to say when we lose the game because we can't score points, BleedBurgundy.[/quote]I for one would say "Great Work on the shutout D!"

Theres no logical reason to think we will lose this game. Doesn't mean it can't happen, it just means it would be illogical.

Detroit is nowhere near the team the Giants are. And to think that 4 weeks ago, I would be sitting here trying to explain this to people...my mind is officially blown.

Not to take anything away from their start, but they trailed in the 4th quarter of all their games. They have given up more points this year than they have scored. They just aren't all that much better than they've been in the past. NOW, we've only got 4 more points for than against this year, and the offense has been the worst its been since 2004 (not that the QB has anything to do with that...), BUT we have been better than the Lions this year, (by a lot) we are at home, there is no familiarity factor, theres just nothing going for the Lions this week.

Except that they leave Washington with a winning record no matter what.

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they are definitely better than in the past, do you know how bad their offiense has been over the last 10 years?

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[quote=The Zimmermans;359573]they are definitely better than in the past, do you know how bad their offiense has been over the last 10 years?[/quote]I do, and they are, BUT remember that Jon Kitna is not an elite passer, he's got a weak offensive line and no running game.

An average offense, and a horrible defense a good team does not make. Had we beaten Minnesota in week one last year, we would have been 3-1 heading into week five. And with all the deficencies that team had, it would have made no difference.

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I don't think detroit is "A GOOD TEAM" do you think we are "A GOOD TEAM" imagine if we were in the AFC. Yes we should beat these guys however

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[quote=The Zimmermans;359581]I don't think detroit is "A GOOD TEAM" do you think we are "A GOOD TEAM" imagine if we were in the AFC. Yes we should beat these guys however[/quote]I think we are a good team.

The AFC is really top heavy this year. A lot more scrub teams than the NFC. We'd be fine playing the Kansas City's and Baltimore's of the world.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;359562]What are you going to say when we lose the game because we can't score points, BleedBurgundy.[/QUOTE]

I hope you're wrong...I hoped they learned their lesson vs the Giants and they need to let the offense open up all game, not just a quarter or two.

To everyone, Gibbs part 2 is 23-28 in his first 51 games. Only 1 playoff appearance (3 full years) and went 1-1. Gibbs part 1 went 36-15 in his first 51 games, and went 6-2 with 3 playoff appearances, including 2 super bowls and 1 win.
People are getting upset that Gibbs part 2 isn't working for valid reason, yet everyone is getting on their case here. It is completely logical and should be expected to question Gibbs part 2, cause he's not producing...plain and simple.
None of us here...I repeat, none of us here WANT to see Gibbs part 2 fail. But when you see a losing record overall, and you see a team blow a second half lead for the 12th time, it gets old.

You know the more I think about this...we are calling this "Gibbs football", but in fact this is not Gibbs football. Gibbs football knew how to points on the board, he used whatever worked. If it was pounding the ball, and it worked, he did it, if it was passing the ball and it worked, he did it. He did what worked. That is what is different from Gibbs part 1 to Gibbs part 2.
Here are his average points per season each playoff year in Gibbs part 1:
82- 21.1*
83- 33.8*
84- 26.6
86- 23.0
87- 23.7*
90- 23.8
91- 30.3*
92- 18.8 (9-7, worst record to make the playoffs)

Gibbs part 2 average points per season:
04- 15.0
05- 22.4
06- 19.2
07- 17.7

I'm chaulking 92 up to a fluke that we made the playoffs at 9-7. If you subtract 92, 21.1 ppg is the worst of Gibbs career to make the playoffs. It's no fluke that in 05 we scored 22.4 ppg and went to the playoffs.
In the 4 times Gibbs took us to super bowls, his teams averaged 27.2ppg.
In the 4 years in Gibbs part 2, the Skins are averaging 18.6 ppg.
So as you can see, we are calling this Gibbs football, but in actuality, we should be calling it Gibbs part 2 football. He was not like this back in his day. He wasn't afraid to go for the throat back then. He adjusted and did what worked back then. This is not the same Gibbs we are seeing today.

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[quote=GTripp0012;359576]I do, and they are, BUT remember that Jon Kitna is not an elite passer, he's got a weak offensive line and no running game.

An average offense, and a horrible defense a good team does not make. Had we beaten Minnesota in week one last year, we would have been 3-1 heading into week five. And with all the deficencies that team had, it would have made no difference.[/quote]

I think Kitna deserves a little more credit than that. He threw for 4200 yards last season right? He's no Manning or Brady but those 2 are in their own class. He's a pretty good qb. Horrible defense, yes. What does this mean? It means we need to put up some points b/c they are going to score a little. We should win this game but the Lions i don't think are horrible.

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We are really close to being a good team, once we put someone away...i will agree

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[QUOTE=Daseal;359562]What are you going to say when we lose the game because we can't score points, BleedBurgundy.[/QUOTE]

I'll probably just blindly support Gibbs and say it's the fault of our players for not executing, Daseal.

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[quote=Mattyk72;359539]The intention of the thread was to ask why people think Gibbs' style of football doesn't work... when it clearly does since so many of his basic principles and overall influences are evident throughout the league.

Your point is well taken though, if the team gets on a hot streak the doubters will shut up and not say much of anything. That's just how things roll, people love to dwell on the negative and people typically have much more to say when things are going bad vs. when they are going good.[/quote]


I agree ...it's counter-productive riding that negative train...Why even go there.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;359566]It's not that people don't think Gibb's football works....it just seemed that he was outcoached against the Giants......which hurts his credibility as a football mind. He is getting older....and he seems to have more trouble making quick gut decisions and adjusting to the other team....that's why he hired saunders.....[/quote]
Yeah, it kills me that a team like the giants with it's outside issues can come in to FedEx, and beat us after we seemigly have the game in hand. I mean damn, our coach is in the Hall of fame for crying out loud, and to get shown up by a coach who is not respected by his players. And by the way, is it me, but does coach cough-phlem look like a meerkat? We should be beating his ass for that simple fact alone.

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I'm really wondering if some people even watched the Giants game.

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I certainly don't know how many folks did or did not watch the giants game, but it doesn't really matter......that game is in the books!

We WILL see tomorrow why "GIBBS FOOTBALL" does work in this league!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;359802]I'm really wondering if some people even watched the Giants game.[/QUOTE]

Yeah me too...how anyone thinks that wasn't horrible play calling is beyond me, they obviously didn't watch the game. :D

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;359816]I certainly don't know how many folks did or did not watch the giants game, but it doesn't really matter......that game is in the books!

[b]We WILL see tomorrow why "GIBBS FOOTBALL" does work in this league![/b][/QUOTE]

He will certainly need to be on his game cause without Moss and Lloyd we have two players that will be playing for the first time this year. Our WR's stink without Moss. I won't blame him for going to the ground a lot vs the Lions with those WR's.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;359562]What are you going to say when we lose the game because we can't score points, BleedBurgundy.[/QUOTE]

How's that feel about now? Balanced attack, overwhelming D. I'm thinking of four words...

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;359555]I can't believe this thread is still going. When we score 28+ vs. the lions, what will everyone say then? That it was Al Saunders, not Gibbs? This bye week has taken, like, forever.[/QUOTE]


That's some nostradamus shit right there...