Re: Why all the complaining?
 

i cant speak for everyone, but ill take 10 more of these ugly wins. i really could care less about what it looks like, as long as the skins end up in the playoffs

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=dmek25;367610]i cant speak for everyone, but ill take 10 more of these ugly wins. i really could care less about what it looks like, as long as the skins end up in the playoffs[/quote]

Yep, as Parcells says you are what your record says you are. Simple but true.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=FRPLG;367477]Look at it this way.

An offense is a machine. Lots of moving parts working together for a common goal. One part starts malfunctioning and the rest of the parts probably hide it in most cases. Another and maybe some issues start showing up. If the wrong part breaks then the problems become obvious.

The OLine is the engine of this machine. When it starts breaking down it doesn't matter how good anyone else is because you simply can't operate with every play breaking down in a rushed jailhouse break. Our OLine is broken right now. If you want to attack depth I can that argument way more but don't attack the philosophy because we are cornered.[/QUOTE]

Yup. My sentiments exactly. Good posts throughout, FRPLG.

And still, I think we're not that far off, if Rabach gets healthy. We need to pick up 3rd downs, obviously--but we're getting to 3rd and short a lot, and that's a good sign. A second more to throw (that's actually a lot!) or a 1 yard more push from the line, and we get a fresh set of downs. The next play is often the best for playaction--the D is stacked against the run (Gibbs loves to run, etc. etc.), you get good matchups for Cooley or the backs out of the backfield, and you at times get single coverage on the WRs. WE NEVER GOT INTO THAT SITUATION YESTERDAY. A few first downs on those 3rd and shorts, and the playbook opens up. We failed to convert--injuries, execution, and playcalling failed us there. But we're not that far off, IMO.

And we have a great D. And WE WON ANYWAY!

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

I'm not sure what everyone wants with half of the O line out and a new QB a win is a win.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

people want the redskins to play to their potential. Campbell is a better QB than warner right now

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Beemnseven;367161]I'm probably in the minority here, but for some reason I think we'd still have most of the same offensive problems even if our offensive line was completely healthy.

Portis isn't hitting on all cylinders, Betts hasn't really picked up the slack the way he did last season, and Moss is in a funk. Overall, there just doesn't seem to be much intensity with the players, chemistry between teammates, and general disorganization with coaching.

And no, I never expected us to be on the level of the Patriots.[/quote]

You actually nailed it, Beemnseven. This whole thing about the offensive line being banged, while true, I really don't think we'd see much different to be honest.

That being said, I think the Pats are going to face their toughest oppenent yet, and I can't wait for the Skins to come home 5-2!!

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Beemnseven;367161]I'm probably in the minority here, but for some reason I think we'd still have most of the same offensive problems even if our offensive line was completely healthy.

Portis isn't hitting on all cylinders, Betts hasn't really picked up the slack the way he did last season, and Moss is in a funk. Overall, there just doesn't seem to be much intensity with the players, chemistry between teammates, and general disorganization with coaching.

And no, I never expected us to be on the level of the Patriots.[/quote]

You are correct, sir. In my way to work, I was listenning to Doc Walker on SportsTalk 980. He was saying how sick he is of the team using the O-line as an excuse for being sloppy. Yes, the line is not what they envisioned it to be in the preseason, but you can't just simply give up. I mean the Titans and Panthers won with back-up QBs. Good teams don't just throw in the towel because players get hurt.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=TheBigD;367658] Good teams don't just throw in the towel because players get hurt.[/quote]

Who threw in the towel? They effing won.

And if Doc Walker thinks that having 60% of your starting linemen injured is not a legitimate reason for a hindered offensive gameplan, he has no business analyzing football. Of course O line injuries have no effect on dropped balls and fumbles, but it has a major impact on pass protection and running lanes.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=TheBigD;367658]You are correct, sir. In my way to work, I was listenning to Doc Walker on SportsTalk 980. He was saying how sick he is of the team using the O-line as an excuse for being sloppy. Yes, the line is not what they envisioned it to be in the preseason, but you can't just simply give up. I mean the Titans and Panthers won with back-up QBs. Good teams don't just throw in the towel because players get hurt.[/quote]

Isn't Pucillo a tight end most of the time...we didn't play so bad considering. Anyway....back to work, just wanted to get a post in this week...HAIL, and here's to the "any given sunday" factor against the patriots

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Southpaw;367670]Who threw in the towel? They effing won.

And if Doc Walker thinks that having 60% of your starting linemen injured is not a legitimate reason for a hindered offensive gameplan, he has no business analyzing football. Of course O line injuries have no effect on dropped balls and fumbles, but it has a major impact on pass protection and running lanes.[/quote]

LOL seriously, who the F has given up?

4-2 last time I checked.

:doh:

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

I have no problem with complaints about the team, provided they are reasonable. Unfortunately, I have been seeing a lot of "the sky is falling," "the end is near," "4-2 is actually a losing record" posts lately that IMO aren't very reasonable.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;367724]I have no problem with complaints about the team, provided they are reasonable. Unfortunately, I have been seeing a lot of "the sky is falling," "the end is near," "4-2 is actually a losing record" posts lately that IMO aren't very reasonable.[/quote]

I'm convinced half this board has lost it's F'ing mind.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;367756]I'm convinced half this board has lost it's F'ing mind.[/QUOTE]

I think it has a lot to do with most fans' preference for strong offenses versus strong defenses, even though most great teams have stronger defenses than offenses. If our offense was putting up 35 points people would be happy even if our defense was allowing 30 points. The fact is, however, that a football team is made up of two units. Right now, our offense is struggling but our defense is playing lights out.

Who cares if we are winning games by narrow margins? Who cares if our defense is doing really well but our offense is struggling? People used to say, all that matters is our record. I don't hear people saying that anymore. For me, the bottom line is the bottom line. We are 4-2 and I am happy. My tune will change if we plummet to 4-6, but I'm not going to freak out so long as we have a winning record. And I will remain estatic so long as we are winning 2 games for every 1 game we lose.

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And the other half is content with mediocrity.

Seriously 364 total yards for the Cards to 160 total yards for the Skins...

Once again, thrilled that we were able to hang on some how and get to 4-2, but not happy with what I've seen on the offensive side of the ball...injuries or not.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;367761]I think it has a lot to do with most fans' preference for strong offenses versus strong defenses, even though most great teams have stronger defenses than offenses. If our offense was putting up 35 points people would be happy even if our defense was allowing 30 points. The fact is, however, that a football team is made up of two units. Right now, our offense is struggling but our defense is playing lights out.

Who cares if we are winning games by narrow margins? Who cares if our defense is doing really well but our offense is struggling? [B]People used to say, all that matters is our record. I don't hear people saying that anymore. For me, the bottom line is the bottom line. We are 4-2 and I am happy. My tune will change if we plummet to 4-6, but I'm not going to freak out so long as we have a winning record. And I will remain estatic so long as we are winning 2 games for every 1 game we lose.[/B][/quote]

If our crystal ball back in August said we were going to start the season 4-2 I don't think there would be one single complaint. Well, we're 4-2 so what's the problem? Even with a severely depleted OL and a young QB we've managed to win 4 of 6. Yet all some people can focus on is this retarded play calling debate, like calling more shotguns is the answer to our woes. Gimme a break.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;367762]And the other half is content with mediocrity.

Seriously 364 total yards for the Cards to 160 total yards for the Skins...

Once again, thrilled that we were able to hang on some how and get to 4-2, but not happy with what I've seen on the offensive side of the ball...injuries or not.[/quote]

Hell yeah I'm happy with "mediocrity" if it means we stay on this current pace of winning 4 of every 6 games.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

I will withhold any further comment until after the Patriots game. Let's just see how far this defense can carry the team. I'm betting we will get a good idea this weekend. You can't keep winning with defense. At some point you have to put points on the board with your offense...especially against teams such as the Patriots and Cowboys.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=TheBigD;367658]You are correct, sir. In my way to work, I was listenning to Doc Walker on SportsTalk 980. He was saying how sick he is of the team using the O-line as an excuse for being sloppy. Yes, the line is not what they envisioned it to be in the preseason, but you can't just simply give up. I mean the Titans and Panthers won with back-up QBs. Good teams don't just throw in the towel because players get hurt.[/QUOTE]

I don't think many of the skins are taking this line--lots of them have said, hey, this happens in the NFL, people need to step up and make plays. Who on the skins (not people on this board! ) ) have said this? But I agree that this issue is sloppiness (i.e., execution) as much as anything. Still, O-line chemistry is an issue--it takes time for these guys to gel sometimes, and when your center is out, it really makes things worse, given the line calls he makes. So replacements can lead to sloppiness, at least in blocks.

But whatever--they've got to find a way to win. Nothing is given to you in this league. Oh, and they did find a way to win last week, despite the sloppiness, injuries, and whatnot. I like JCs comments about peaking in Nov and Dec (and beyond)--the bright side is we haven't played our best football yet, and we're 4-2. Hopefully, we get Rabach back and eventually Thomas. That will be a big boost.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

We are 4-2, and our two losses we gave away. We have one of the most consistent defenses in the league. Not devestating like 04, but better in a lot of ways because of decreased vulnerability to the big play (remember the Denver game in 05, for example, or pretty much all of last year?) We appear to have our first true franchise qb since the 1980's. We have a patchwork line that is only going to get better. We play in the NFC.

Let's try and cheer up folks huh? You guys complain when we outplay our opponent and lose, ok, but then shouldn't you be thrilled when we don't show up and still win? Or did you guys think we would go 19-0 and win the superbowl and beat everybody by 40 points?

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;367469]I've honestly never seen so much whining after a win and a 4-2 start.[/quote]
It's not whining. It is simply us trying to discuss in a forum (which I think you started and I for one appreciate) ways that we would like to see our team conduct it's buisness that some of us pay good money to support. It doesn't make us any less of a fan if we may NOT from time to time look at this team through Kool-aid colored glasses. I for one think that what this team really so deperately needs is a possession receiver (in the mold of an Art Monk) who isn't just here for a year before going on Social Security, and is above 6'. That receiver for the cardinals (Larry Fitzgarald) would look nice in B/G.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=4mrusmc;367834]I for one think that what this team really so deperately needs is a possession receiver (in the mold of an Art Monk) who isn't just here for a year before going on Social Security, and is above 6'. That receiver for the cardinals (Larry Fitzgarald) would look nice in B/G.[/quote]

While this statement is fine, I really hope you aren't suggesting that we haven't spent enough dough on receivers in the past few years. Free Agency isn't really helping our cause right now.

We don't need another receiver. We just need the ones we have to get healthy, get their heads right, and stop dropping passes. In that order.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=4mrusmc;367834]It's not whining. It is simply us trying to discuss in a forum (which I think you started and I for one appreciate) ways that we would like to see our team conduct it's buisness that some of us pay good money to support. [B]It doesn't make us any less of a fan if we may NOT from time to time look at this team through Kool-aid colored glasses.[/B] I for one think that what this team really so deperately needs is a possession receiver (in the mold of an Art Monk) who isn't just here for a year before going on Social Security, and is above 6'. That receiver for the cardinals (Larry Fitzgarald) would look nice in B/G.[/quote]

Damn, even our glasses are Kool-Aid colored now??

This Kool-Aid thing is really outta control.

Next thing you know we'll have Kool-Aid avatars.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;367982]Damn, even our glasses are Kool-Aid colored now??

This Kool-Aid thing is really outta control.

Next thing you know we'll have Kool-Aid avatars.[/quote]

Can you make the Kool-Aid avatars available to the masses? I'd like to subscribe to your Kool-Aid newsletter.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

Cool Aid is damn good stuff....you ever mixed it with everclear?.....AMAZING

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

SORRY Kool-Aid is the correct spelling

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;367756]I'm convinced half this board has lost it's F'ing mind.[/quote]

Half? Why are you being so generous? :D

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

During Gibbs presser yesterday, he pretty much validated what we've been complaining about since Sunday night - his overly conservative game plan nearly lost the game. But for Neil Rackers missing his long FG by a foot, we would be looking at 3-3, going to NE, with 4 of the next 5 games on the road. It's time for Gibbs to stop coaching scared and trusting Campbell to make plays.