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[QUOTE=memphisskin;404270]Down day for the Skins, but Coach Joe leaves us waaaaay better than he found us. Promote from within and let a new day dawn![/QUOTE]


Agree completely.
The roster Gibbs started with from Spurrier just flat out sucked.
He built a TEAM.

Thanks Gibbs for your hard work these last 4 years.
We will forever remember the Blowouts of Dallas, and the miracle comeback against them too.
The 5 game and 4 game runs to make the playoffs and your class handling the Sean Taylor situation.

You will forever be a Redskins Hero

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;404255]What about a new team president?
If we don't hire someone else will all the personnel decisions fall on the shoulders of Danny and Vinny, with the new HC making some suggestions here and there?
That's a thought that scares the hell out of me.[/quote]
100% Agreed. A new GM must be first priority or we are in for another long 15 years.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;404266]The first time Joe Gibbs retired, my wife came home and saw me on the floor in my Redskins Room decked out in my Skins gear....Hail to the Redskins was playing and I had 3 candles burning....one for each Superbowl victory.....she asked.....
Who died? I responded, "Joe Gibbs just retired"
[/QUOTE]
LOL, you're lucky she didn't back slowly from the room, pack her bags and burn rubber in the driveway.. You've got a good one!!

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;404284]100% Agreed. A new GM must be first priority or we are in for another long 15 years.[/QUOTE]

I hope as 'special advisor' the first piece of advice he gives is to hire Floyd Reese or figure out a way to pry Scott Pioli from New England..

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Being 67, dealing with the death of Taylor, facing the same possibility with his grandchild with leukemia/cancer, he needs to focus on his family.

It was a great run. Despite what anyone says, I'm glad he came back and rescued the team. He has actually turned Snyder into a good, smarter owner and set up the team with a bright future with a ton of young talent. Playoffs two of the last 3 years despite HORRIBLE luck with injuries to star players every year, plus he's put a great staff in place. Greg Williams and Al Saunders will likely stay around and I believe Williams will be very successful. The game has changed since Joe's first stint, but Williams knows today's game better and is more aggressive.

Thanks for the memories, again, Joe.

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I would mess myself if we got Scott Pioli or Floyd Reese.

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Feelings summed up in monosyllabic words:

FUCK. WOW. NEXT?

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I am extremely upset about this. Don't say repeatedly you intend on fulfilling your contract and then walk away after the toughest and most gut wrenching season the Redskins organization has ever endured. It's not right. Unless Joe has a very good reason for not sticking around, I'm afraid my level of respect for him might be slightly diminished and I hate that feeling.

God, I am so pissed off right now and I just can't sit here and be all, "Well, good luck Joe, thanks for the memories." I realize I sound like a complete drama queen right now, but I don't care. I hope I feel differently after I hear him speak.

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Ok, we have got to promote from within. Continuity is the key to success. My money is on GWill, hopefully with Al as the asst.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;404285]LOL, you're lucky she didn't back slowly from the room, pack her bags and burn rubber in the driveway.. You've got a good one!![/QUOTE]

Yes, she's a good one.
One thing...she always seems to have somewhere to go at 1pm-4 on Sundays.
I just can't figure out why

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;404292]I am extremely upset about this. Don't say repeatedly you intend on fulfilling your contract and then walk away after the toughest and most gut wrenching season the Redskins organization has ever endured. It's not right. Unless Joe has a very good reason for not sticking around, I'm afraid my level of respect for him might be slightly diminished and I hate that feeling.

God, I am so pissed off right now and I just can't sit here and be all, "Well, good luck Joe, thanks for the memories." I realize I sound like a complete drama queen right now, but I don't care. I hope I feel differently after I hear him speak.[/QUOTE]

When did he say he was coming back for sure in 2008? All I recall him saying is that he'll have his usual sit-down with Snyder once the season is over.

If yesterday's presser was any indication, he was either on the fence or already decided but hadn't finalized with Snyder, and thus was very non-committal with the media.

As for good reasons, the guys is 67, probably hasn't seen his family in 4 years, and has a grandson with leukemia, besides bringing this team through what is arguably one of the most difficult seasons to be endured by an NFL team.

I think that's reason enough to cut him a break for wanting to leave.

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He made a decision to go. He is old. I respect his decision and am glad that he brought us back into contention. His job coming here was to make us a respectable team and 2 playoff apperences in the last 3 years makes us a respectable team. He did a fantastic job and now look at the players and coaches we got in here. We will probably promote Williams to coach and that is great. There is not such a drastic change. The wheels will still keep moving. Gibbs did that. He took that sorry piece of shit team we had and made us a real team. He put the pieces in place. We have a full chess board now and maybe someone else will do a great job controlling it. Gibbs did exactly what he was supposed to do. Bring the chance of winning back to washington. Gibbs is the man.

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[quote]When did he say he was coming back for sure in 2008? All I recall him saying is that he'll have his usual sit-down with Snyder once the season is over.[/quote]

Gibbs had said over and over he would fulfill his contract. The whole 5 years. I was curious if someone would be upset over that. It's a fair gripe, in my opinion.

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[quote=mheisig;404299]When did he say he was coming back for sure in 2008? All I recall him saying is that he'll have his usual sit-down with Snyder once the season is over.

If yesterday's presser was any indication, he was either on the fence or already decided but hadn't finalized with Snyder, and thus was very non-committal with the media.

As for good reasons, the guys is 67, probably hasn't seen his family in 4 years, and has a grandson with leukemia, besides bringing this team through what is arguably one of the most difficult seasons to be endured by an NFL team.

I think that's reason enough to cut him a break for wanting to leave.[/quote]
I'm talking about the fact that up until this point, whenever he was asked during prior seasons, if he would stay, he stated he intended on fulfilling his contract. He said it repeatedly. Don't say it, if you don't mean it. I have no problem letting him go if he's got a valid reason.

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[quote=mheisig;404299]When did he say he was coming back for sure in 2008? All I recall him saying is that he'll have his usual sit-down with Snyder once the season is over.

If yesterday's presser was any indication, he was either on the fence or already decided but hadn't finalized with Snyder, and thus was very non-committal with the media.

As for good reasons, the guys is 67, probably hasn't seen his family in 4 years, and has a grandson with leukemia, besides bringing this team through what is arguably one of the most difficult seasons to be endured by an NFL team.

I think that's reason enough to cut him a break for wanting to leave.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly.

For selfish reasons of course I would want Gibbs back, but you have to respect the man's decision.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;404302]Gibbs had said over and over he would fulfill his contract. The whole 5 years. I was curious if someone would be upset over that. It's a fair gripe, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I believe he always used the phrase "it is my intention to fulfill the contract". I do not doubt he intended to. Circumstances sometimes get in the way of intentions. His personal life (family) is more important than Lombardi trophies.

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[quote=Lady Brave;404306]I'm talking about the fact that up until this point, whenever he was asked during prior seasons, if he would stay, he stated he intended on fulfilling his contract. He said it repeatedly. Don't say it, if you don't mean it. I have no problem letting him go if he's got a valid reason.[/quote]

I think he did mean it previously... then the Sean Taylor tragedy happened and he obviously had a change of heart when thinking of his family.

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[quote=cpayne5;404308]I believe he always used the phrase "it is my intention to fulfill the contract". I do not doubt he intended to. Circumstances sometimes get in the way of intentions. His personal life (family) is more important that Lombardi trophies.[/quote]

Yeah and since when can't people change their minds?

If his heart isn't in it, he would be doing everyone a huge diservice by coming back and just going through the motions.

Cut the guy some slack. I can't imagine from his point of view how difficult this season was.

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I think we need perspective on this. Fans can get angry at a guy like Petrino just walking away adn quitting for greed or selfish reasons. hell we can get mad at Spurrier for tanking the team into the ground and then bolting. But Joe brought this team back to respectability through some trying times and he isn't leaving the cupboard bare. He has honest to goodness struggles in his personal life to deal with. I have no ill will about this. Just disappointment.

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[quote=Lady Brave;404292]I am extremely upset about this. Don't say repeatedly you intend on fulfilling your contract and then walk away after the toughest and most gut wrenching season the Redskins organization has ever endured. It's not right. Unless Joe has a very good reason for not sticking around, I'm afraid my level of respect for him might be slightly diminished and I hate that feeling.

God, I am so pissed off right now and I just can't sit here and be all, "Well, good luck Joe, thanks for the memories." [B]I realize I sound like a complete drama queen right now[/B], but I don't care. I hope I feel differently after I hear him speak.[/quote]

[B]Yes you do.

[/B]If anything, you should respect Gibbs more after this season, from the way he held the team together and led them, to his love for his family over his career and personal success.

He fully intended to fulfill his contract coming in, but...life happens.

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[quote=Mattyk72;404311]I think he did mean it previously... then the Sean Taylor tragedy happened and he obviously had a change of heart when thinking of his family.[/quote]
I realize I sound really selfish right now. Like I said, I just want to hear it from him. However, right now, I'm upset.

I'm worried about the impact on this team. Frankly, I thought we were on the brink of something great and I wanted him to share in that when we finally did it. So much for my foolish, childlike dreams I guess. I need to come back to reality.

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[quote=Daseal;404289]I would mess myself if we got Scott Pioli or Floyd Reese.[/quote]

What makes anyone think they can repeat their success with another team?

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[quote=Lady Brave;404328]I realize I sound really selfish right now. Like I said, I just want to hear it from him. However, right now, I'm upset.

I'm worried about the impact on this team. Frankly, I thought we were on the brink of something great and I wanted him to share in that when we finally did it. So much for my foolish, childlike dreams I guess. I need to come back to reality.[/quote]

I'm looking forward to his presser today. I'm sure he'll explain everything.

My guess is he wouldn't be doing this if he wasn't absolutely sure that the team would be in good hands. Meaning I think he's going to hand things off to Gregg Williams, and keep as much of the current staff intact as possible.

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G. Will could be alright as long as Saunders stays for the O-fense. Guess we'll all wait and see what drastic changes our team will endure this offseason. Damn, I was just starting to feel our continuity too. Oh well here's another few years off my life thanks to the skins. But thanks for everything Joe and good luck in all of your endeavours. Enjoy your time on this earth brother

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[QUOTE=saden1;404336]What makes anyone think they can repeat their success with another team?[/QUOTE]

Don't you think that past success is indicative of future success? I'd say you'd have to have more faith in them than in someone who has NOT gotten it done at the highest level. We're not talking about guys who had a good year or two. They've demonstrated consistent skill at managing a NFL team.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;404289]I would mess myself if we got Scott Pioli or Floyd Reese.[/QUOTE]

For the first time in 4 years I may join the "We need a GM" bandwagon, pending notice of who is going to be our next HC.

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[quote=Lady Brave;404292]I am extremely upset about this. Don't say repeatedly you intend on fulfilling your contract and then walk away after the toughest and most gut wrenching season the Redskins organization has ever endured. It's not right. Unless Joe has a very good reason for not sticking around, I'm afraid my level of respect for him might be slightly diminished and I hate that feeling.

God, I am so pissed off right now and I just can't sit here and be all, "Well, good luck Joe, thanks for the memories." I realize I sound like a complete drama queen right now, but I don't care. I hope I feel differently after I hear him speak.[/quote]

You want him to announce his plans at the beginning of the season or during the stretch run? No one wants to be lame duck coach...Plus he has always maintained that he'll reevaluate his role at the end of the season. There is no valid reason to be angry with his decision.

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[quote=skinsnut;404282]Agree completely.
The roster Gibbs started with from Spurrier just flat out sucked.
He built a TEAM.

Thanks Gibbs for your hard work these last 4 years.
We will forever remember the Blowouts of Dallas, and the miracle comeback against them too.
The 5 game and 4 game runs to make the playoffs and your class handling the Sean Taylor situation.

You will forever be a Redskins Hero[/quote]


Man u hit it on the head!!!!!!!!!! great post.........

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Ok, from my perspective I wanted Gibbs back. I think we were very close to being an elite team this year (how many games did we have the lead in the 4th quarter and lose?), next year i think could have been great. now, if we don't keep Williams, we will risk having to start all over. I'm sick of that. Lets see what Williams and Co can do...

In terms of Gibbs 2.0: from an objective perspective (for the most part i think), it wasn't that impressive...we had two "good" (playoff years) where it took miracle runs (5 wins and 4 wins in a row to close the season) to make the playoffs. Under Gibbs 2.0, we'll have a losing record, 1 playoff win, and are currently 20 mill over next year's salary cap. his 4 years were plagued with poor clock management, conservatism, and frustration.

From a personal point, I think he did some very good things in terms of building player and fan morale, team chemistry, and expectations of winning. Are we better off now than before? I'll leave that for the other thread.

Overall, I'm sad to see Gibbs go (however frustrating I found these past seasons)...I just hope the team he build, doesn't' disintegrate with his removal.

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I'm a bit shocked, I thought Joe would stick it out the full 5 years. That being said, I am not at all unhappy with the situation. I have been a critic of Gibbs II and it will be interesting and exciting, for me at least, to see where the team goes from this point. I expect Williams to be named head coach. I have always been under the impression that he was snatched up and retained as he has been so that he could be the next head coach. I would be surprised if Saunders did not stay in his current position. His window of opportunity to be a head coach is closed now, he is a damn good coordinator and is compensated extremely well for what he does. What I see is a more wide open offense in the coming years with Gibbs no longer Saunders back.
As for the speculation of outside coaches, anything is possible, but Cowher, Grimm, are not realistic prospects for the job at this time.

Just a not about Cam Cameron - lets not forget that he was a Redskins assistant for three years under Norv, and former OC in San Diego. His record as a head coach at Indiana and Miami is atrocious, he seems like a guy who should soend his entire career as a coordinator.

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Laugh all you want about Cameron but that guy will be a winner. On another subject I wouldn't be surprised if Bugel also steps down. How do Gregg Williams and Al Saunders get along? Wasn't there some kind of distance between the O and D? How about ego's, if Williams gets the job who's to say Saunders won't step down cause he didn't get it?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;404342][B]Don't you think that past success is indicative of future success? [/B]I'd say you'd have to have more faith in them than in someone who has NOT gotten it done at the highest level. We're not talking about guys who had a good year or two. They've demonstrated consistent skill at managing a NFL team.[/quote]

Not always, especially in the field of sports where you are but one component of a very large puzzle. I just think you guys give GMs way too much credit.

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Gibbs leaving brings up a bigger issue, our three headed personnel chief is down one head. Who is going to interview the new coach? Cerrato and Snyder? Do they replace Joe with a team president?

John Riggins called this way early on his radio show, can't wait to hear his thoughts on this.

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;404292]I am extremely upset about this. Don't say repeatedly you intend on fulfilling your contract and then walk away after the toughest and most gut wrenching season the Redskins organization has ever endured. It's not right. Unless Joe has a very good reason for not sticking around, I'm afraid my level of respect for him might be slightly diminished and I hate that feeling.

God, I am so pissed off right now and I just can't sit here and be all, "Well, good luck Joe, thanks for the memories." I realize I sound like a complete drama queen right now, but I don't care. I hope I feel differently after I hear him speak.[/QUOTE]

Lady, we usually have the same take on events at Redskins Park. We differ on this one. Perhaps I am wrong, but I really believe that Gibbs wanted to finish out his contract. But, he has always said that family comes first and perhaps his family told him, "No more, coaching is affecting your health and our grandson is extremely sick....it's time to spend time with your family." Obviously I am just speculating, but Gibbs made this decision after conferring with his family and I can't come up with any other explanation for it all.

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[QUOTE=saden1;404356]Not always, especially in the field of sports where you are but one component of a very large puzzle. I just think you guys give GMs way too much credit.[/QUOTE]

Maybe we do, but we better get someone in here with an idea of how to run a football team and a specific plan on how to run ours. Let that guy run the team. Mr. Snyder has already shown that he's not the most patient person when it comes to dealing with coaches.

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[QUOTE=saden1;404356]Not always, especially in the field of sports where you are but one component of a very large puzzle. I just think you guys give GMs way too much credit.[/QUOTE]

I think Joe Gibbs was the only COACH that was going to put air brakes on the Danny Boy Free Agent Jet Express. We need a strong GM with a big time reputation to keep Snyder somewhat in check, IMO. If he starts his immitation Jerry Jones routine (a poor one) again, we are screwed. Combination Coach/GM has not been a superbowl formula the last few years, unless I'm mistaken. Pats-GM, Colts-GM, Steelers-GM, Patriots-GM, Patriots-GM, Tampa Bay-GM, Baltimore Ravens-GM. That's the last 7 superbowl champs, all employing a GM. I think that makes a pretty strong argument.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;404361]Lady, we usually have the same take on events at Redskins Park. We differ on this one. Perhaps I am wrong, but I really believe that Gibbs wanted to finish out his contract. But, he has always said that family comes first and perhaps his family told him, "No more, coaching is affecting your health and our grandson is extremely sick....it's time to spend time with your family." Obviously I am just speculating, but Gibbs made this decision after conferring with his family and I can't come up with any other explanation for it all.[/quote]

I thought his grandson was doing much better? Everything I saw said his leukemia was in the remission stage and the treatments are much easier than last year. And was Gibbs' health suffering? I mean I know he has diabetes, but he's dealt with that for years...

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[quote=saden1;404344]You want him to announce his plans at the beginning of the season or during the stretch run? No one wants to be lame duck coach...Plus he has always maintained that he'll reevaluate his role at the end of the season. [B]There is no valid reason to be angry with his decision[/B].[/quote]

Angry isn't the word I'd use. I'm just upset. Honestly, I don't know what to feel. I just hope everyone will let me vent a little bit. I'm usually pretty quiet on this board and I don't make much of a commotion. So it would be really nice if I could just say what I feel this once without fear of everyone tearing me down.

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I'm disappointed that he wont be back for his final year but not at all suprised. I think the stress of this season just took much out of him. He probably had alot of time to reflect on the whole ST situation and wanted to spend more time with his family. Despite the ups and downs I believe the team is better and has more stability than before he came back. This being said I believe that Gregg Williams should be the successor. If you bring in another coach I believe it would be a total overhaul in the coaching staff and the team would suffer. I am heartbroken but I will always appreciate what Gibbs has done for this franchise both the first and second tenures. Keep your heads up fans.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;404367]I thought his grandson was doing much better? Everything I saw said his leukemia was in the remission stage and the treatments are much easier than last year. And was Gibbs' health suffering? I mean I know he has diabetes, but he's dealt with that for years...[/QUOTE]

With regard to the former, I know he's doing better but I didn't realize he was in remission. With regard to the latter, I don't know of any specific ailments, but I know of 2 jobs that tend to dramatically age people - (1) President of the United States and (2) Head Coach of any pro football team.