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[quote=hooskins;438200] ...you dont have to turn everything into a personal vendetta against this site.[/quote]

You would see it that way... again, not surprised at all.

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[quote=lwiedy;438167]Gee whiz, what a shock. I’m sorry that sound so cruel but your constant defense of such behavior must be routed in something personal.

Yes, I am very critical of bad behavior. But behavior (unless you are psychotic) is a choice and times I have had a overwhelming feelings of rage but the only thing that separates us from the animals is our ability to know that ACTING on our emotions in this way is wrong and should not be tolerated.

The constant rationalization of criminal behavior may not explain why it happens but it certainly explains why it happens so often.

I know you will ignore this or worse, turn it in to some sort of justification for your position, but maybe someday the light will go on for you, good luck.[/quote]

Ha, you are a real piece of work. I too believe violence towards women is unacceptable. I'm just trying to teach you a few things young padawan... Smart judgements you cannot make with knowing first all of the facts.

Mathis' girlfriend moved out of the state and dropped all the charges. If I'm going to take someone's word on this incident it is hers. I'm not going to try to be Sherlock Holmes and piece together how I think it all went down. And the example I gave above was NOT criminal behavior but a situation where a female can fabricate or embelish a situation for personal gain... There of course is the opposite end of the spectrum where a woman is in a violent relationship which is absolutely deplorable and in need of immediate attention from the authorities. However, we cannot be so quick to convict in the court of public opinion. Especially 1000 miles away, a month later after reading an article.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;437982]Man..this "common law" wife must have amazing powers to convert her imagination into physical choke marks on her neck...what a bee-och....either that or she asked a friend to choke her to make marks or her neck so she could drag this guys name in the mud.....and then decline charging him.[/QUOTE]

So was she struck, or choked?
Some people aren't getting the point that it might not be 100% accurate. At this point, no one really knows.
If he did it, I don't want him. But have we NEVER heard of some woman making up a story???? (not saying she is, just saying) You also can't tell me that a girl 6 months pregnant isn't hormonal either.
At this point, its A- a 1 time incident, B- no real proof, C- unsure of how "red marks on neck" is being "struck", D- please provide a picture of the red marks so we can all see it as something that wasn't a hickey or a curling iron incident...or even a birth mark. Then maybe we can make a more accurate judgement. Right now, it's all hearsay and quite frankly I am concerned about people's insistance on being the judge and jury in this case, and ready to kick him out.

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I think a point that hasn't been mentioned yet, is that at his age, Mathis still has the whole immaturity excuse. You don't often see this kind of thing happening to vets, it's often the guys younger than 25.

Now that he's a Redskin, and he's near the psychological full maturity age, we have a chance to see if the past is really, actually behind him, or if he's just a full blown turd.

If it's the latter, he won't have a long stay here.



Now, from a football perspective, I'm not sure what they see in him that makes him worth the trouble of a 2nd chance. It's a no risk contract, but he's also had his most valuable returner years elsewhere, and though he's really fast, that doesn't make him a good receiver.

This is a low risk, low reward move, and hopefully, he doesn't put the team through the minor inconvenience of releasing him for off field reasons.

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[quote=hesscl34;438197][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Wow, and it gets worse. Sean T didn't choke his girlfriend... he was defending HIS stolen property (and was caught up in the process)... kind of like he was defending his family when he was KILLED!!!!!!!!!!!!! To use ST as a comparison to this guy? Are you kidding me???? He loved his girlfriend AND his daughter!!! Not to mention the love we all feel for him as a Redskin??[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Go have a few drinks with some others on this board that seem to share your opinion. You guys can have your fun. I've seen and heard quite enough.... Ciao. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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This person was replying to a post that said something like the Skins should not tolerate players that gets arrested for DUI or violence which ST was arrested for both. I thought the same thing when I read that persons post. I don't think he was comparing what ST did vs Mathis. I'm not sure how people can convict Mathis of anything because no one here knows the facts. All we know is that he had an argument with the women, the cops came and he was arrested because she had a small red mark on her neck. I myself cannot bring judgment on him from those facts.

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[quote=jsarno;438220]At this point, its A- a 1 time incident, B- no real proof, .....[/quote]

Again, he's had two run-ins with the law and a fight with a teammate.

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Back to just the pure personnel aspect for a moment, I'm disappointed we didn't make a stronger run at DJ Hackett. JLC reports that he got $750k to sign with Carolina and he could earn a maximum of $3.5M over 2 years. I don't know about anyone else but to me that seems like a pretty reasonable deal. I hope that non-move on our part doesn't come back to haunt us.

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[quote=Mattyk72;438239]Back to just the pure personnel aspect for a moment, I'm disappointed we didn't make a stronger run at DJ Hackett. JLC reports that he got $750k to sign with Carolina and he could earn a maximum of $3.5M over 2 years. I don't know about anyone else but to me that seems like a pretty reasonable deal. I hope that non-move on our part doesn't come back to haunt us.[/quote]

Yeah I totally agree. I would have paid DJ Hackett a couple million a year, personally. I don't know how you can pass on a sizeable WR who has shown the ability to take over games when healthy and who is familiar with Zorn's offense. It's one thing if the Panthers gave him $8 million to sign or something. But I mean, what the hell?

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Yeah when I saw that I was like shoot, couldn't we have given him $1M to sign and maybe $4M to $5M over 2 years?

I would have felt pretty good about our WR situation then and we could have addressed other needs in the draft. Now it seems pretty clear that we'll use a pick on a WR at some point in the draft.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;438241]Yeah I totally agree. I would have paid DJ Hackett a couple million a year, personally. I don't know how you can pass on a sizeable WR who has shown the ability to take over games when healthy and who is familiar with Zorn's offense. It's one thing if the Panthers gave him $8 million to sign or something. But I mean, what the hell?[/QUOTE]

On the other hand, how many coaches out there know him better than Zorn? And if he didn't make a huge push for Hackett did we really miss out?

That said, I would have also taken a chance on Hackett for such a relatively small sum.

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[quote=SmootSmack;438244][B]On the other hand, how many coaches out there know him better than Zorn? And if he didn't make a huge push for Hackett did we really miss out? [/B]

That said, I would have also taken a chance on Hackett for such a relatively small sum.[/quote]

That's the only thing that makes this non-move not so painful. If Zorn didn't want him that bad, perhaps there's a very good reason why we passed on him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;438242]Yeah when I saw that I was like shoot, couldn't we have given him $1M to sign and maybe $4M to $5M over 2 years?

I would have felt pretty good about our WR situation then and we could have addressed other needs in the draft. Now it seems pretty clear that we'll use a pick on a WR at some point in the draft.[/quote]

Yeah and I can't say I mind that approach. And in general, the team's fiscal restraint is admirable. But it's almost like we've gone from blindly writing checks to blindly passing on all free agents.

I realize I'm oversimplifying. But passing on Hackett at that price didn't make a lot of sense. Yes he's been hurt some. But to my knowledge, he's not hurt now. He knows the offense. He's a decent size. And he cost as much as Pete Kendall. Pete Kendall, people. For a guy that has put up several 100 yard games, and if he can stay on the field, could put up a 1000 yard season.

Seems we could have 3 solid WR heading into the draft. We would have gotten the perfect #2 option, allowing ARE to move into the slot. Then we could have gone for the offensive and defensive lines in the first three rounds, maybe a S, maybe a CB. We would have been better off.

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[quote=SmootSmack;438244]On the other hand, how many coaches out there know him better than Zorn? And if he didn't make a huge push for Hackett did we really miss out?

That said, I would have also taken a chance on Hackett for such a relatively small sum.[/quote]

You're right, maybe Zorn knows something. But I can't imagine what that would be given that Hackett recently put up over 100 yards and a TD on our secondary in the playoff game against Seattle last year.

I mean how much can you "know" about a guy? At some point, doesn't performance say everything that needs to be said about a guy? I guess that's my thing, it's one thing if a coach is weighing in about an unproven commodity. But Hackett has taken over games before. As long as he's not a malcontent, then go get him.

Who knows, maybe he was a malcontent in Seattle. And if that's the case, good job in passing on him. Of course, at the same time, WTF are we doing passing on Hackett for being a malcontent and then turning around and signing Mathis? That makes no sense. So if you're not concerned about Mathis being trouble, you couldn't have been concerned about Hackett being trouble. You just flat out dropped the ball and didn't bring him in for a good price.

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[quote=Schneed10;438248]I realize I'm oversimplifying. But passing on Hackett at that price didn't make a lot of sense. Yes he's been hurt some. But to my knowledge, he's not hurt now. He knows the offense. He's a decent size. And he cost as much as Pete Kendall. Pete Kendall, people. For a guy that has put up several 100 yard games, and if he can stay on the field, could put up a 1000 yard season.

Seems we could have 3 solid WR heading into the draft. We would have gotten the perfect #2 option, allowing ARE to move into the slot. Then we could have gone for the offensive and defensive lines in the first three rounds, maybe a S, maybe a CB. We would have been better off.[/quote]I agree with you and was a proponent of getting Hackett. After we passed on him, my thoughts were the same as SS's, "Zorn and Seattle must know something". Seattle could've made a push for him too. He has been injured before this year, maybe they don't have faith in him holding up. Maybe they have someone else targeted (June 1 cut / trade). This will be one of the first decisions we can judge Cerrato & Zorn on depending which way it goes.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21;438238]Again, he's had two run-ins with the law and a fight with a teammate.[/QUOTE]

We're probably beating a dead horse here, but what 2 run ins are you referring to. Like I said in a previous post, I don't know much about this guy, so any link would be beneficial.

Also, getting in a fight with a teammate is nothing new, and nothing to make a comment about unless he drove to a players house after a practice to beat the poo out of him. Remember Michael Westbrook beating down Stephen Davis? I don't recall Westbrook being of poor character, just poor talent. Vince Young had issue with someone this past year and had a little fight, and a lot here think he's a kiss from heaven. Even Favre in his early days had a scuffle with a teammate and he is known as player friendly. What happens during heated practices / matches doesn't always mean a character flaw.

I will 100% agree beating a girldfriend is a character flaw, but there seems to be so little evidence at this point. I need it pointed out that I am not defending this guy, but I do think you need to PROVE guilt before slurring someone's name. This is not like speculating Barry Bonds took steriods, this is something far more serious. There needs to be proof, and right now, there is a red mark on a neck, and no real proof.

But like I said, I'd like to see a link to his previous run ins with the law if you got them please.

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Enough about Hackett already, he has shown up in entirely too many threads for no good reason. It's not like he's a stud or anything, he still has a TON to prove.
Let it go...and let's embrace whoever the Skins draft at WR.

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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Mathis#Legal_troubles]Jerome Mathis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

link has two run ins with the law (beating and dog issue) but doesn't have the fight Js

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[quote=Dirtbag359;437678]I guess ignorance is bliss. Oh well, here are the facts on Jerome Mathis.

[URL="http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/19/texans-returner-jerome-mathis-charged-with-choking-pregnant-girl/"]Texans Returner Jerome Mathis Charged With Choking Pregnant Girlfriend - FanHouse - AOL Sports Blog[/URL]


[URL="http://thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=57646c7b4d35bb9e"]The Facts[/URL]


So allegations of his domestic dispute aside, the fact that he got into a fist fight with his own teamate should've been enough to discourage the Redskin's from signing this guy. God, how many times do I have to bring up Jeremy Stevens?

In all honesty, the number of fans looking the other way, just because he was a pro-bowl kick returner worries me.[/quote]

This was the post I was looking for Js.

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I will say this, and I know I already promised OaklandRed that I would give him a second chance, but the fact is if the Cowboy's sign this guy, almost everyone here starts laughing and making fun of the Cowboys. I will admit that I didn't think of that on my own but given our reaction to the Cowboy's going after Pacman, I'd say it's probably a fair assumtion.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;438317]This was the post I was looking for Js.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the links.
The one thing I noticed above all is that there is no comment from Mathis. If someone accused me of choking her, I'd make a comment. Why is there none? I'd like to hear his side of the story. It definitely doesn't look good.

About the dogs, it just sounds like he was not paying enough attention to them. That could happen to anyone that has outdoor dogs. I don't agree with having outdoor dogs, so I have 2 indoor dogs, but to each his own. It's hard for me to call that a run in with the law since it's a citation. A speeding ticket is a citation too.

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I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt

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[quote=jsarno;438324]Thanks for the links.
The one thing I noticed above all is that there is no comment from Mathis. If someone accused me of choking her, I'd make a comment. Why is there none? I'd like to hear his side of the story. It definitely doesn't look good.

About the dogs, it just sounds like he was not paying enough attention to them. That could happen to anyone that has outdoor dogs. I don't agree with having outdoor dogs, so I have 2 indoor dogs, but to each his own. It's hard for me to call that a run in with the law since it's a citation. A speeding ticket is a citation too.[/quote]

I'm giving the Skins FO the benefit of the doubt on this one. Hoping when they interviewed him he explained what happened and they were satifsfied with his response. The skins know that if he gets into trouble or is a bad locker room guy then they loose a lot of credibility with the fans and the NFL. It's a risk, but apparently it's one the skins felt was worth taking.

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I thought in light of everything we've been discussing with CJ, Pacman, Henry, and now Mathis these comments by Cerrato stood out

"Instead of just adding a couple of guys this time, we need [a draft] where we're adding quantity and quality guys. We need talented guys that can initially play a role and have the potential to become starters. [B]And the biggest thing you need is good people.[/B]"

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/07/AR2008040702362.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;438338]I thought in light of everything we've been discussing with CJ, Pacman, Henry, and now Mathis these comments by Cerrato stood out

"Instead of just adding a couple of guys this time, we need [a draft] where we're adding quantity and quality guys. We need talented guys that can initially play a role and have the potential to become starters. [B]And the biggest thing you need is good people.[/B]"

[url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url][/quote]

Hey for all we know maybe after meeting with Mathis Vinny and co. were satisfied that he's not a bad egg and his legal issues are behind him. I sure hope so. As someone pointed out earlier he's still a young guy who could turn it around, so who knows.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;438338]I thought in light of everything we've been discussing with CJ, Pacman, Henry, and now Mathis these comments by Cerrato stood out

"Instead of just adding a couple of guys this time, we need [a draft] where we're adding quantity and quality guys. We need talented guys that can initially play a role and have the potential to become starters. [B]And the biggest thing you need is good people.[/B]"

[url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url][/QUOTE]

Yeah, I thought about that early. Kinda ironic.

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[url=http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/SPORTS01/815711695/1005/SPORTS]Redskins give Mathis 'last chance' - - Breaking News, Political News & National Security News - The Washington Times[/url]

[QUOTE]An NFL source agreed, saying: "If the kid can stay healthy, he's a weapon. At a minimum salary [deal], what do the Redskins have to lose?"

Perhaps some tarnishing of what former coach Joe Gibbs would call their good name, something owner Dan Snyder claims to treasure. But Texans general manager Rick Smith and coach Gary Kubiak at last week's NFL meetings assured Cerrato that Mathis isn't big trouble.

"They both said that Jerome's a good person who just needs a fresh start," Cerrato said.

Said Mathis: "I made some mistakes in my younger days, but I'm a different person. I'm not looking at Washington as a second chance. It's more like my last chance."[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SmootSmack;438519][URL="http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/SPORTS01/815711695/1005/SPORTS"]Redskins give Mathis 'last chance'*-*-*Breaking News, Political News & National Security News - The Washington Times[/URL][/quote]

Well, I guess thats what you want to hear from a guy that once choked his girl friend when signing him to your team.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21;437991]People, before you go singing the guy's praises and giving him the benefit of the doubt because Mathis has only been involved with "one" incidient that should concern us, PLEASE do you homework. If you had read the earlier posts in this very thread you would have seen that there was also an incident in which Mathis got into a fight with one of his own teammates. And, a quick visit to NFL.com reveals the following:

"Mathis has had two recent run-ins with the law. In December, he received a misdemeanor citation after his pit bull chewed through a fence and was behaving aggressively. In February, he was charged with assaulting his pregnant common-law wife, a charge that was later dropped at the woman's request."

So we've got 1. fight with teammate; 2. choking his pregnant wife (and leaving red marks according to reports); and 3. letting his mean pit bull chew through a fence (what kind of a dog even does that?......perhaps we can ask Michael Vick). Face it, this guy is a complete poop stain. I don't really care if he returns the ball 10 times for TDs this year, I don't want him on any team I cheer for. Get enough of guys like this and you become the Cowturds or Raiders.....sorry, not willing to pay that kind of price for success. This day in age in the NFL when character means more to most teams that ever before.......well, let's just say I'm just shaking my head over this one and leave it at that.[/QUOTE]


Have you never owned a dog? I've had dogs never give anyone issues that chewed through fences, jumped them, dug under them, etc... They're animals, they don't like confinement. He could've gotten the whiff of a female and been looking for some, who knows.

And have you also never played sports? Teammates fight, it happens, you man up and move on. You think none of the old school guys ever fought?

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[QUOTE=Buster;438038]A lot of people used that argument against Sean Taylor and still to this day call him a "thug" because of that ATV situation where charges were DROPPED.

If he stays healthy, he's the best returner (outside of Hester) in the league.

Depth for WR, a great returner...I can't hate this move but I still wonder where it came from.[/QUOTE]

the DUI was dropped, not all of his charges from the ATV incident were

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;438197][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Wow, and it gets worse. Sean T didn't choke his girlfriend... he was defending HIS stolen property (and was caught up in the process)... kind of like he was defending his family when he was KILLED!!!!!!!!!!!!! To use ST as a comparison to this guy? Are you kidding me???? He loved his girlfriend AND his daughter!!! Not to mention the love we all feel for him as a Redskin??[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Go have a few drinks with some others on this board that seem to share your opinion. You guys can have your fun. I've seen and heard quite enough.... Ciao. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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You don't know that ST never had issues with his girl, I wouldn't think so, but none of us know.

BUT, since you weren't reading, apparently, the guy said he would want nothing to do with someone getting a DUI on our team. Sean got a DUI. He managed to get his way out of it however. That's what I was referring to and it is pretty clear, I even bolded the relevant text, nice try though bud.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;438340]Hey for all we know maybe after meeting with Mathis Vinny and co. were satisfied that he's not a bad egg and his legal issues are behind him. I sure hope so. As someone pointed out earlier he's still a young guy who could turn it around, so who knows.[/QUOTE]

I'm a "character counts" kind of guy and I'm highly skeptical that Mathis will turn things around, but it sounds like there is little downside to getting the guy. If he f's up, he's gone and we'll suffer no adverse cap consequences.

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He will push Rock Cartwright even harder, that's a good thing.

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[quote=tryfuhl;438521]Have you never owned a dog? I've had dogs never give anyone issues that chewed through fences, jumped them, dug under them, etc... They're animals, they don't like confinement. He could've gotten the whiff of a female and been looking for some, who knows.

And have you also never played sports? Teammates fight, it happens, you man up and move on. You think none of the old school guys ever fought?[/quote]

In answer to your questions: Not one that could chew through a fence. And if I did own a pit bull, given their propensities to escape and attack other dogs and children in the neighborhood, I'd make damn sure it was kept in a cage that it could not chew through. The statement was made to me that it wasn't entirely Mathis's fault that his dog escaped. I couldn't disagree more. A pet owner's primary responsiblity is to keep that animal contained. It's certainly not anyone else's job to make sure his pit bull doesn't escape. And you certainly can't blame the dog. So YES, his dog escaping IS Mathis's fault.....and NO, I'm not stupid enough to keep a dog with viscious propensities in an enclosure that it can escape from. It's called being responsible.

In answer to your second question: Yes, of course I've played sports. And no, I've never punched a teammate. Have I gotten into arguments with teammates? Of course, who hasn't? But a fistfight?......umm, kinda runs counter to everything that being a teammate is supposed to mean. Again, it's called being a responsible adult.

Now I know what the second, third, and fourth-chance crowd around here is going to say: that's all in his past. And I hope they're right. But call me a cynic (or actually, from my perspective, a realist), I view a person's past behavior as a pretty good indicator of their character and what to expect in the future.

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they talked to the texans who said he wasn't a bad guy, and i guess because he's REALLY fast and local (VA) they're giving him a last chance...

i'm not really for it and i don't think he's an impact player, but at least they did some due diligence, and he can be cut at any time without penalty.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21;438613]In answer to your questions: Not one that could chew through a fence. And if I did own a pit bull, given their propensities to escape and attack other dogs and children in the neighborhood, I'd make damn sure it was kept in a cage that it could not chew through. The statement was made to me that it wasn't entirely Mathis's fault that his dog escaped. I couldn't disagree more. A pet owner's primary responsiblity is to keep that animal contained. It's certainly not anyone else's job to make sure his pit bull doesn't escape. And you certainly can't blame the dog. So YES, his dog escaping IS Mathis's fault.....and NO, I'm not stupid enough to keep a dog with viscious propensities in an enclosure that it can escape from. It's called being responsible.

In answer to your second question: Yes, of course I've played sports. And no, I've never punched a teammate. Have I gotten into arguments with teammates? Of course, who hasn't? But a fistfight?......umm, kinda runs counter to everything that being a teammate is supposed to mean. Again, it's called being a responsible adult.

Now I know what the second, third, and fourth-chance crowd around here is going to say: that's all in his past. And I hope they're right. But call me a cynic (or actually, from my perspective, a realist), I view a person's past behavior as a pretty good indicator of their character and what to expect in the future.[/QUOTE]

Well, the way I look at it is you can do one of two things:
1- You can give this kid the benefit of the doubt and get on board and hope he keeps his nose clean as well performs well.
2- You can complain with all your might even though your opinion will not change the Skins minds.
(there doesn't seem to be a point the latter, but to each his own.)

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[quote=jsarno;438748]Well, the way I look at it is you can do one of two things:
1- You can give this kid the benefit of the doubt and get on board and hope he keeps his nose clean as well performs well.
2- You can complain with all your might even though your opinion will not change the Skins minds.
(there doesn't seem to be a point the latter, but to each his own.)[/quote]

Actually those aren't mutually exclusive. I'm pretty much doing both. I don't support the move because I don't want players with this kind of baggage, period. That said, I'm well aware that my opinion won't change anything and so I'm hoping that he proves me wrong, keeps his nose clean, and contributes on the field. Doesn't mean I have to approve of the move to be able to hope for the best.

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I doubt Mathis will get much time at receiver if he even makes the team at all. He is nasty at returning though which is a position the skins lack a star player at. I know he is a douche though but still. the worst thing that can happen is we cut him, big deal. Good signing in my opinion.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21;438782]Actually those aren't mutually exclusive. I'm pretty much doing both. I don't support the move because I don't want players with this kind of baggage, period. That said, I'm well aware that my opinion won't change anything and so I'm hoping that he proves me wrong, keeps his nose clean, and contributes on the field. Doesn't mean I have to approve of the move to be able to hope for the best.[/QUOTE]

They are mutually exclusive when one is "give this kid the benefit of the doubt". That is something you are not doing right now.
I completely understand not wanting a person of questionable character on the team, but since there is nothing I can do about it, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and hope for the best. If he fails to keep his nose clean, then I will be the first in line to want the Skins to give him the axe.

We gave Taylor the benefit of the doubt and he turned out to be quite a player for us. People can change. I hope just like you do that we didn't sign someone like pacman. Time will tell I guess.

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[quote=jsarno;438863]They are mutually exclusive when one is "give this kid the benefit of the doubt". That is something you are not doing right now.
I completely understand not wanting a person of questionable character on the team, but since there is nothing I can do about it, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and hope for the best. If he fails to keep his nose clean, then I will be the first in line to want the Skins to give him the axe.

We gave Taylor the benefit of the doubt and he turned out to be quite a player for us. People can change. I hope just like you do that we didn't sign someone like pacman. Time will tell I guess.[/quote]
We did not sign a man like pacman because we did not give him a big contract. I just don't see what the big deal is with this signing. If he presents a problem than we can dump him with very little lost. If he turns aout to be good add then we got a very good deal. Now if we had signed him to a multi year deal worth millions then I would say people have a right to be ticked but that is not the case.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=firstdown;438872]We did not sign a man like pacman because we did not give him a big contract. I just don't see what the big deal is with this signing. If he presents a problem than we can dump him with very little lost. If he turns aout to be good add then we got a very good deal. Now if we had signed him to a multi year deal worth millions then I would say people have a right to be ticked but that is not the case.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you.

Someone on here said there was little risk and little reward. I disagree with that. I think it's little risk high reward.
I am not a big fan of Rock as our KR. I know he puts up decent numbers, but he has difficulty finding the hole to break one, and his speed isn't there to break away if he did. This is an upgrade for our special teams. The first time this kid breaks one, we will forget all about Rock.