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[quote=jsarno;479988]He acts bipolar to me, but it could be an unparalleled selfishness. Either way, you're right.[/quote]

Yeah, I mean here are the Cowboys on their way to a victory that would not only be their first EVER in historic Lambeau Field, but also put his team at 3-0, and he just looks dejected and pissed off. Why TO? Poor little TO upset to see Miles Austin catch two long balls?

As great as he is on the field, he is a total ass.

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[quote=GMScud;480011]Yeah, I mean here are the Cowboys on their way to a victory that would not only be their first EVER in historic Lambeau Field, but also put his team at 3-0, and he just looks dejected and pissed off. Why TO? Poor little TO upset to see Miles Austin catch two long balls?

As great as he is on the field, he is a total ass.[/quote]

I will never forget him playing for Philly in the superbowl.. Everyone was saying what a hero he was for playing hurt, when in reality he just wanted the limelight.

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[quote=jsarno;479984]I call BS.
Put Owens on the Rams, or Miami, and he will disappear. Well minus the crying and bitching to get him the ball, or trade him to a good team. Moss had to suffer on one of the worst teams in the NFL in oakland.

Here is who Owens had throwing the majority of the passes to him over the years.

Steve Young (hall of famer)
Elvis Grbac (pro bowler without TO fyi)
Jeff Garcia (4 time pro bowler)
Donovan McNabb (5 time pro bowler, possible HOFer when career is over)
Drew Bledsoe (4 time pro bowler and possible HOFer)
Tony Romo

Here is who Moss had throwing to him:

Randall Cunningham
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Dante Culpepper
Kerry Collins
Andrew Walter
Aaron Brooks
Tom Brady (only 1 season mind you)
Matt Cassel

Which list would you rather have to this point? Keep in mind you'd only get Brady for 1 season.

ps- there have been several comments about Moss's polished route running. He is a complete WR. Also, Moss has 126 TD's and Owens has 134 tds...only 8 different, yet Owens is 4 years older.
[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/all_td_active.htm"]Active Touchdowns Leaders - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL][/quote]
Your coming off stupid....did it occur to you that TO makes the QBs life alot easier....he often draws so much attention that guys are left unaccounted for (ie. Miles Austin last night). TO makes the QB look better which is why he's the greatest. And for the record Pro Bowls are not valid method of evaluating talent (you sound like a Dallas fan). You ask any DB in the league who they'd rather face, guarantee you TO would be the last...he embarasses Champ for gods sake...

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[quote=DirtyLandry;480016]I will never forget him playing for Philly in the superbowl.. Everyone was saying what a hero he was for playing hurt, when in reality [B]he just wanted the limelight.[/B][/quote]

Yeah no doubt. It was an amazing recovery from an ugly injury, but his sole motivation was to run his mouth and parade his antics on the biggest of stages. I can't recall an athlete in recent memory I loathe like TO... OH WAIT! Another Cowboys receiver- that whore-monger coke head Michael Irvin...

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;480020]Your coming off stupid....did it occur to you that TO makes the QBs life alot easier....he often draws so much attention that guys are left unaccounted for (ie. Miles Austin last night). TO makes the QB look better which is why he's the greatest. And for the record Pro Bowls are not valid method of evaluating talent (you sound like a Dallas fan). You ask any DB in the league who they'd rather face, guarantee you TO would be the last...he embarasses Champ for gods sake...[/quote]

Dude, YOURE coming off as stupid. Youre suggesting that Steve Young, Donovan McNabb and Tony Romo were average quaterbacks untill TO came along....WOW. Not to mention he threw half of these guys under the bus.

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;480020]Your coming off stupid....did it occur to you that TO makes the QBs life alot easier....he often draws so much attention that guys are left unaccounted for (ie. Miles Austin last night). TO makes the QB look better which is why he's the greatest. And for the record Pro Bowls are not valid method of evaluating talent (you sound like a Dallas fan). You ask any DB in the league who they'd rather face, guarantee you TO would be the last...he embarasses Champ for gods sake...[/quote]

Ahhh, not so fast. Charles Woodson did a great job locking down TO last night despite having a broken toe. Look, no one here is debating TO greatness on the field. But show me a wide receiver who consistently puts up big numbers without a good if not great QB? There's an obvious, direct correlation between good quaterback play and productive receivers.

And on Miles Austin's TD grab he was far from "unaccounted for." He was tightly covered and made a great catch. Plus Al Harris and Atari Bigby were both injured, so that side of the field was being covered by backups.

I would say QB's make WR's look better far more often than vice versa. More often than not big time catches are only made possible because of big time throws. Which comes first?

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You can keep playing the numbers game all day but be for real...if you were playing a pick-up game would you pick Randy before TO?????

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;480033]You can keep playing the numbers game all day but be for real...if you were playing a pick-up game would you pick Randy before TO?????[/quote]

Uhh yeah I would actually. And who's sounding like the Dallas fan here?

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[quote=DirtyLandry;480035]Uhh yeah I would actually. And who's sounding like the Dallas fan here?[/quote]
lol...yeah...good luck with that team...and once Randy realizes that the game is out or reach he'll start walking off the field...On a serious note I hate Dallas just as much as everyone else here but you have to give credit where its due...I'm sensing that if TO played for another team you'd be agreeing with me...Do you also think that Art Monk was a better WR than Michael Irvin?

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;480038]lol...yeah...good luck with that team...and once Randy realizes that the game is out or reach he'll start walking off the field...On a serious note I hate Dallas just as much as everyone else here but you have to give credit where its due...I'm sensing that if TO played for another team you'd be agreeing with me...Do you also think that Art Monk was a better WR than Michael Irvin?[/quote]

I never make an argument on a guy based on production/numbers alone. I have seen enough of TO to know that he is a gamebreaker. HOWEVER the argument I made was that, in my opinion he is not the greatest wide reciever ever because he drops way too many passes. You called out jsarno saying he sounded like a dallas fan when your the one making this rediculous argument. He backed it up with a completely legitimate and well thought out post and all you have to say is "If TO were on a different team..."

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[quote=DirtyLandry;480041]I never make an argument on a guy based on production/numbers alone. I have seen enough of TO to know that he is a gamebreaker. HOWEVER the argument I made was that, in my opinion he is not the greatest wide reciever ever because he drops way too many passes. You called out jsarno saying he sounded like a dallas fan when your the one making this rediculous argument. He backed it up with a completely legitimate and well thought out post and all you have to say is "If TO were on a different team..."[/quote]
I sure hope I'm wrong and TO drops a couple of big passes on Sunday...why stop there I hope he drops every pass thrown his way...I will bow to you and jsarno while addmiting that I was wrong

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[quote=DirtyLandry;480027]Dude, YOURE coming off as stupid. Youre suggesting that Steve Young, Donovan McNabb and Tony Romo were average quaterbacks untill TO came along....WOW. Not to mention he threw half of these guys under the bus.[/quote]

Sometimes it's not worth making the argument that will fall on deaf ears. Problem is, he is being shown facts, but he would rather believe his opinion. When he said I was sounding stupid, I think we all saw it was him, except of course, himself. It's no big deal. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
I have already stated that Owens is an elite WR, but unless I say he is the best ever, this guy will try to insult. LOL. His comments should be laughed at, not responded to.

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;480043]I sure hope I'm wrong and TO drops a couple of big passes on Sunday...why stop there I hope he drops every pass thrown his way...I will bow to you and jsarno while addmiting that I was wrong[/quote]

I hope we can have better, more productive conversation in the future.

GO SKINS.

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[quote=jsarno;480054]Sometimes it's not worth making the argument that will fall on deaf ears. Problem is, he is being shown facts, but he would rather believe his opinion. When he said I was sounding stupid, I think we all saw it was him, except of course, himself. It's no big deal. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
I have already stated that Owens is an elite WR, but unless I say he is the best ever, this guy will try to insult. LOL. His comments should be laughed at, not responded to.[/quote]
Didn't mean to hurt anyones feelings with the "coming off stupid" comment...I've just been saying that to everbody ever since I saw the "Step Brothers" movie...guess its hard to detect a sense of humor over the net...but you did put up a good argument...GO SKINS

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I guess if you keep talking about how great you are, eventually some people are going to believe it.

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;480060]Didn't mean to hurt anyones feelings with the "coming off stupid" comment...I've just been saying that to everbody ever since I saw the "Step Brothers" movie...guess its hard to detect a sense of humor over the net...but you did put up a good argument...GO SKINS[/quote]

LOL...I haven't seen that movie yet. Was it good?

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[quote=jsarno;480087]LOL...I haven't seen that movie yet. Was it good?[/quote]

Dude I cried. It was one of the funniest films I've seen in a while.

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Man the key to winning this game is stopping jason witten.. Man he's been killing defenses on 3rd down... and he always starts off blocking then releses into the open with out being covered.. If we stop t.o. with shawn springs and some safetie help.. We got to figure out a way to rattle tony romo... by sending blitzs from different angles.... man I pumped for this game I think we can beat dallas.. There not that good to me.. And when we get pressure on tony romo.. We have to get him down we can be letting him escape then were going to get beat in are man coverage... and we got to get clinton portis going this week even tho he had a decent week last week.. I just wait lol

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[quote=jdot26;480142]Man the key to winning this game is stopping jason witten.. Man he's been killing defenses on 3rd down... and he always starts off blocking then releses into the open with out being covered.. [b]If we stop t.o. with shawn springs and some safetie help[/b].. We got to figure out a way to rattle tony romo... by [b]sending blitzs from different angles[/b].... man I pumped for this game I think we can beat dallas.. There not that good to me.. And when we get pressure on tony romo.. We have to get him down we can be letting him escape then were going to get beat in are [b]man coverage[/b]... and we got to get clinton portis going this week even tho he had a decent week last week.. I just wait lol[/quote]
That could work, but do the math here. You are talking about blitzing, which means sending extra LB's (meaning those LB's are not in coverage), then double-coverage on TO, that means a DB and a safety on one guy, that leaves a CB and safety for the other WR's on the field. And with the LB's blitzing and your DB's and safeties occupied that will leave either Witten or Crayton or Austin in man coverage, which is a match-up QB's look for. I am not even going to mention spreading the defense out by putting Felix Jones in motion and in a pass pattern.

What you are talking about is exactly what the Packers did on defense and they got beat. You send those LB's in on a blitz from different angles, then the middle of the field is open and Witten will have a feast.

And that is the magic of having a WR like Owens, he demands so much attention from the defense it opens up other opportunities for other players on offense by drawing the coverage away from them. This is why I have always said that T.O. does not need 7 catches and 100+ yards to be a factor in the game. Just his presence on the field is enough.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;480163]That could work, but do the math here. You are talking about blitzing, which means sending extra LB's (meaning those LB's are not in coverage), then double-coverage on TO, that means a DB and a safety on one guy, that leaves a CB and safety for the other WR's on the field. And with the LB's blitzing and your DB's and safeties occupied that will leave either Witten or Crayton or Austin in man coverage, which is a match-up QB's look for. I am not even going to mention spreading the defense out by putting Felix Jones in motion and in a pass pattern.

What you are talking about is exactly what the Packers did on defense and they got beat. You send those LB's in on a blitz from different angles, then the middle of the field is open and Witten will have a feast.

And that is the magic of having a WR like Owens, he demands so much attention from the defense it opens up other opportunities for other players on offense by drawing the coverage away from them. This is why I have always said that T.O. does not need 7 catches and 100+ yards to be a factor in the game. Just his presence on the field is enough.[/quote]

Hopefully the idea of the blitz is to disguise it so you can get to Romo before he gets the ball off. Romo is not that great at reading defenses and can be rattled. The big problem is that Dallas has a great OL who generally pick up the blitz and give Romo time. If you can disguise the blitz and catch the OL offguard, Romo can be rattled.

And as far as Owens, you have to punish him. Whether he makes the catch or not, hit him hard just like Sean Taylor always did. He doesn't like that and it definitely affects his game.

I think Witten is the key. He will be a tough matchup for us. We can stop Barber with LB help, but that lets Witten free up and he will kill us.

If our offense can keep the ball for some long drives and keep the defense fresh we have a shot, but we have to play a perfect game.

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[quote=Jake2008;480183]
If our offense can keep the ball for some long drives and keep the defense fresh we have a shot, but we have to play a perfect game.[/quote]
That is the key to a Redskins win right there. It will come down to the Time of Possesion battle.

If the Redskins are able to sustain long offensive drives throughout the game, it accomplished two things.

1. Most importantly, it keeps the Dallas offense off the field and limits thier number of possesions.

2. It will keep the Dallas defense on the field and they will get tired around the middle of the 3rd quarter and Portis and Betts can take over.

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[IMG]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-8/1275969/toromo.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;480196][IMG]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-8/1275969/toromo.jpg[/IMG][/quote]
Cute. But aren't you going to feel a little silly if the Cowboys win and a couple of "Brokeback Mountain" players beat you?

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Feeling silly is for gay cowboys.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;480163]That could work, but do the math here. You are talking about blitzing, which means sending extra LB's (meaning those LB's are not in coverage), then double-coverage on TO, that means a DB and a safety on one guy, that leaves a CB and safety for the other WR's on the field. And with the LB's blitzing and your DB's and safeties occupied that will leave either Witten or Crayton or Austin in man coverage, which is a match-up QB's look for. I am not even going to mention spreading the defense out by putting Felix Jones in motion and in a pass pattern.

What you are talking about is exactly what the Packers did on defense and they got beat. You send those LB's in on a blitz from different angles, then the middle of the field is open and Witten will have a feast.

And that is the magic of having a WR like Owens, he demands so much attention from the defense it opens up other opportunities for other players on offense by drawing the coverage away from them. This is why I have always said that T.O. does not need 7 catches and 100+ yards to be a factor in the game. Just his presence on the field is enough.[/quote]

I'm not sure we need to double cover T.O. I think Springs is up for the challenge.

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[quote=WillH;480206]I'm not sure we need to double cover T.O. I think Springs is up for the challenge.[/quote]
Didn't Owens get 4 TD's in one game against the Redskins the last time they tried that?

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Spring looks better then he has in years. You can talk all you want, but we'll see if T.O. does s&@# against him this year.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;480196][IMG]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-8/1275969/toromo.jpg[/IMG][/quote]
:lol:

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[quote=sandtrapjack;479650]A little like the pot calling the kettle black. Dallas secondary had one HALF of a bad game against the Eagles. The second half of that game the Eagles only managed 7 points and McNabb was sacked 4 times due to coverage.

Rodgers was sacked 5 times last night due to coverage sacks.

And the Redskins secondary is ONLY allowing 10 yards less per game in the air than the Dallas secondary. Not to mention that you are facing the #1 offense in the league next Sunday.

Washington will not win on Sunday.[/quote]
For those of you who do not understand "cowboyese", let me interpret. Blah..bblah.. bblah ..blah ..blah.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;480200]Feeling silly is for gay cowboys.[/quote]

ZZZZIIIIINNNNNGGGG! :spank: :smashfrea :boxing: :FIREdevil :laughing2 :food-smil

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[quote=sandtrapjack;480210]Didn't Owens get 4 TD's in one game against the Redskins the last time they tried that?[/quote]

Yup. I know this might sound crazy, but I chalk up those stats to the absence of one Sean Taylor. Owens was absolutely terrified of Taylor.

Between 2004 and 2006, Owens racked up a mere 18 receptions for 165 yards and 2 TDs. That's an average of 4 receptions for 41 yards (10 yards per catch) and 1/2 a TD per game.

In TO's first game against the Sean Taylor-less Redskins, he racked up 8 receptions for 173 yards and 4 TDs. [B] In other words, in one game, TO managed to rack up more receiving yards and touchdowns against the Redskins than he had in the previous 3 years. [/B]

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I believe that was Doughty's first start. Could be wrong.

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Read [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2006/09/cowboys_do_fear_the_reaper_and.html"]this[/URL] old JLC blog re: Cowboys fearing Taylor.

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Yea, The Grim Reaper was a bad dude. I still miss watching him play. Hopefully Landry will come at him like a heat seeking missle and we can start seeing TO's "alligator arms" again.

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Go Redskins Beat the Cowgirls