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[quote=Ruhskins;490459]Jesus, people here sound like we just gave up a first round pick for SA. We signed him for the vet minimum! If he works out great, if not, oh well maybe they can get Mason. The reason why SA didn't get picked up by any team could be b/c he may have wanted a shot at #1 or #2 RB. We are picking him b/c our #2 RB is out, and our #3 guy is a valuable KR. I know people here have man-crushes on Mason, but come on don't make a big deal out of nothing.[/quote]


I agree, Alexander was the MVP a few years ago for a reason. We got him on the cheap, not Snyder paying up the butt for washed up Deion, Andre Reed, Bruce Smith, etc. I still remember Johnny Morton burning Deion in the Silverdome in 2000. Andre Reed has what, a grand total of like 6 catches for us, one for a TD? Look at what the dumbass Jones just did. Gave up a bunch of picks for a WR that wasn't even needed. On top of that TO is going to be pissed!!!!! Cowboys are going down!!!!!!

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[quote=CA_Redskins;490650]You Alexander haters have nothing to do but be idiots.

Yeah... Mason and Rock... the dynamic duo. [B]Jesus! [/B] Get real.

[/quote]

Can we all stop using this term?
I find it even more offensive than the "F" word....please :)

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Not to go off topic....I was watching Redskins Nation on Comcast and Cerrato was on....lol. He acts like he's trying to be cool but appears to be a nerd. lol. Oh well. He stated when Betts is healthy it's Betts job again. Wonder what they will do with SA? Change up on different games as to who #2 is? Just to throw off the other team. Put him on practice squad in case they need him again? I doubt they will release him in case of other injuries.

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;490708]I agree, Alexander was the MVP a few years ago for a reason. We got him on the cheap, not Snyder paying up the butt for washed up Deion, Andre Reed, Bruce Smith, etc. I still remember Johnny Morton burning Deion in the Silverdome in 2000. Andre Reed has what, a grand total of like 6 catches for us, one for a TD? Look at what the dumbass Jones just did. Gave up a bunch of picks for a WR that wasn't even needed. On top of that TO is going to be pissed!!!!! Cowboys are going down!!!!!![/QUOTE]
Agree big time. Anything, absolutely anything to stirr the muddy waters in Cowgirls territory. SA is going to play his hardest, he knows this is his chance to show he still has what it takes. Good guy, family man, want's to play in the worse way. Hope he proves the Skins made a great move. Randy

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[quote=SBXVII;490720]Not to go off topic....I was watching Redskins Nation on Comcast and Cerrato was on....lol. He acts like he's trying to be cool but appears to be a nerd. lol. Oh well. He stated when Betts is healthy it's Betts job again. Wonder what they will do with SA? Change up on different games as to who #2 is? Just to throw off the other team. Put him on practice squad in case they need him again? I doubt they will release him in case of other injuries.[/quote]

Question is what happens at the end of the season. Many have said Betts can start elsewhere. If Portis carries on the rest of the season like this, hell possibly have his best ever season. Given those facts and assuming Alexander proves his worth, I see them looking to get trade value from Betts and keeping Alexander another year to spell Portis. There are a few ifs in there, so I'm not making a prediction, but given the above pans out, I wouldn't be surprised to see Betts in another uniform next year.

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its a nice situation to have Alexander spell for our top dog CP ....down the stretch, when Betts returns id spell all three if theyre all movin the ball and keep Portis healthly for playoffs...Ladells a good player, hope it dont conflict, but i think it will.

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He knows the system and we can not take the chance at this time on a rookie. One question - what's wrong with Rock?

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[quote=Doris Dent;490856]He knows the system and we can not take the chance at this time on a rookie. One question - what's wrong with Rock?[/quote]

He's one of the better kick returners in the league. If we play him at RB and he gets hurt, we are short a RB and a talented KR.

Also, he played well at RB when given the chance in 2005, but did fumble a little too much. Last week we learned how bad fumbles can derail our offense, we can't afford them.

In his career, he averages a lost fumble every 36.75 carries.

For comparison:
Portis loses one every 123.07 carries.
Betts loses one every 99.57 carries.
Shaun Alexander has lost a fumble every 128.0 carries, even with the bad year with the broken hand.

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[quote=Doris Dent;490856]He knows the system and we can not take the chance at this time on a rookie. One question - what's wrong with Rock?[/quote]

Welcome to the board DD!

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Not a fan...I would have signed Mason. Alexander is washed up.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;490142]Not saying they were his fault. Saying that so many people were saying keep Rock because of his special teams and experieince and his return ability. If you are the captain. You are the leader of your speical teams. Not saying he is personally responsible as far a missing the tackles. .[/quote]
Ummmm, that's for the special teams coach to address, not Rock.

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[quote=Mattyk72;490342]Funny that some keep saying Portis is not good at the goal line, but he does have 6 TDs on the year.[/quote]

Where'd I miss these comments?

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don't like the move. what could he bring to the table? i say let Rock pick up Ladells 5 carries a game. would rather see the skins go younger, maybe Mason. and no, i wasn't one of the people on this board that had a Mason man crush

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During the preseason coaches were saying that Mason could not block, although bringing back Mason sounds as reasonable to me as signing Alexander.

Portis is the man so it is not a big deal. We need someone to take a few carries to rest CP but just a few carries. Alexander costs virtually nothing even if he is a flop. It is just not a big deal whether we went Mason or Alexander, as long as that person doesn't fumble.

dmek25, I like your idea. Maybe in the offseason we can find a young back who is as good or better than Mason.

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[quote=dmek25;491019]don't like the move. what could he bring to the table? i say let Rock pick up Ladells 5 carries a game. would rather see the skins go younger, maybe Mason. and no, i wasn't one of the people on this board that had a Mason man crush[/quote]

Um... I still don't get why people are comparing SA to Mason.

What can he bring to the table? He's made it past pre-season and practice squad with a team. That's more then Mason has.

Go younger? This is a fill in position. Go past MVP.

So I ask again, for all those that don't agree with the move... you don't trust JZ's ability to evaluate talent? Probably the same people who want Janson to stay in.

All hail #35!

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...wish we still had T.J. Duckett...

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Shaun looked good yesterday on his 3 carries, especially his first run that went for 8 yards. Sure he gained a yard and lost a yard on the other two runs, but he looked like he was in shape and took some hits without a problem. Zorn said that's the only thing he needs to work on, taking hits after a year layoff.

Looks like it will be a good move in the end.

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[quote=Buster;491938]Shaun looked good yesterday on his 3 carries, especially his first run that went for 8 yards. Sure he gained a yard and lost a yard on the other two runs, but he looked like he was in shape and took some hits without a problem. Zorn said that's the only thing he needs to work on, taking hits after a year layoff.

Looks like it will be a good move in the end.[/quote]

He couldnt take a hit when he was in the game shape. i.e, playoffs last year when Marcus Washington laid him out.

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WTF...Alexander who dissed this team in 05....Fuck him I say.....were fine with Rock

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;492046]He couldnt take a hit when he was in the game shape. i.e, playoffs last year when Marcus Washington laid him out.[/quote]

He wasn't healthy then.

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Like Deoin Saunders calls him. The tip-toe burglar..lol.

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Deion is really one to call someone out for being soft. He never saw a tackle that he didn't try to avoid.

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True. But he is going to be in the hall of fame and SA isn't. I'll put money on that..Deoin might not have been the biggest hitter but he changed the game...Regardless of his remarks. I would expect a CB to be softer than a RB who is going to be hit everytime he runs the ball. Deion might not have been a hitter. But he could pick you off and take it to the house for 6 points highstepping into the end zone with his patent leather cleats..lol

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[quote=pg86;492126]WTF...Alexander who dissed this team in 05....Fuck him I say.....were fine with Rock[/quote]

Yeah ok. Imagine if CP was really hurt Ravens PS and this was the very reason I said this. If Betts or Portis got hurt. Then the arguement was he doesn't know the plays. By now he would have learned them sitting behind CP and Betts. Then the arguement was I rather have a MVP. Wow. SA looks so good. NOT. Rock? If Rock was so good. SA wouldn't be here..Oh but wait because he is the KO returner. Please. Thrash or someone could have spelled him until Betts got back. Then this guy on this other board used to throw up Rocks stats on KO returns. Now look at his stats. He's a good special teams tackler but teams definitely dont fear him on returns. My bad he's so valuable. Valuable my ass. I will bet anything he wont be here next year......I know drama is coming for me saying this. But whenever I call it like I see it..They come out the wood work. But please mark my words.

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Seems like someone hates on Rock every year, and every year he holds onto his job and does a fine job at that.

Yawn.

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[quote=Mattyk72;494796]Seems like someone hates on Rock every year, and every year he holds onto his job and does a fine job at that.

Yawn.[/quote]


No one is hating on him. I just dont see why he is so valuable. Aint about hate. Its about him being the third back. Its about cutting a player we might need in the future for him and he can't even be the 3rd back. We have to bring someone else in when the RB goes down (says a lot). He doesn't break kick-offs for TDs. One in his whole career. If its between him and someone who can help us. Like a WR or a RB we hold on to him because people make it out like he is the only one who can make tackles on special teams. Or that he's an awesome returner. Now we are feeling it. One because Kelly is hurt. Could have kept McMullen or Mix..or one of the WRs. Betts is hurt (CP could have been) and we have to bring in the tip-toe burgular instead of keeping Mason who would have learned the offense by now. (plus I thought we learned from bringing in washed up players). Its not hating its fact.

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huh?

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Plain English

We got rid of Mason because we had Rock and now he can't even fill in as 3rd back. We sign a past his prime player to do what he should be doing.

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Obviously the people making the personnel decisions don't agree, thankfully for that.

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I liked Mason myself but if I remember right he was given a chance to return kick-offs and did'nt do to well. We needed someone who could contribute this season and Rock does that. I was pulling for Mason to do something on special teams but he did'nt. We don't have the luxury of having someone to just ride the bench. Rock makes a big contribution on special teams. Mason did'nt, and there was no way he was going to beat Betts out for the second spot. With that said, I'm not a big fan of Alexander but the season's only half over.

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Well I hope all of this complaining ends when Betts gets back.

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[quote=53Fan;494810]I liked Mason myself but if I remember right he was given a chance to return kick-offs and did'nt do to well. We needed someone who could contribute this season and Rock does that. I was pulling for Mason to do something on special teams but he did'nt. We don't have the luxury of having someone to just ride the bench. Rock makes a big contribution on special teams. Mason did'nt, and there was no way he was going to beat Betts out for the second spot. With that said, I'm not a big fan of Alexander but the season's only half over.[/quote]

At this rate I'll take a preseason hero that hits hole over a tip toe burgler anyday of the week. Personally I'm trying to figure out how Alexander ever got 1,800 yards and helped me in fantasy leagues for years without seeking out contact. I mean even Warrick Dunn will take you on.

Still Rock and Sellers deserve more carries if Alexander doesn't get his act together in practice this week. Maybe he needs more time to understand our running game but what I've seen so far hasn't made me comfortable.

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[quote=Mattyk72;494804]Obviously the people making the personnel decisions don't agree, thankfully for that.[/quote]

Yeah ok they never make wrong decisions. Keeping Tryon...Drafting 3 receviers and none have contributed. Keeping Durant Brooks over Frost. Keeping Kelly on the active roster..Signing dried up tip toe burgular. jason Taylor isn't really panning out..I hope he does. But right now...It isn't seeming that way. I will let him slide because of injuries but when he was healthy he batted balls. Does he have any sacks? Shall I continue. Thrash could return kicks or someone else for that matter. I am tired of hearing that excuse. Thrash almost returned one last year.

Someone said they need to give Rock the ball more. Why aren't they? Why did they even have to sign SA if we had Rock? I do agree we need to give Sellers the ball more. I think he is definitely under utilized. I would atleast set him up for more catches.

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Nobody is right all the time when making personnel decisions. But generally speaking the people calling the shots know what they're doing when compared to the armchair GM fans. We're talking about a RB that was signed for the vet min to keep the bench warm until Betts gets back. I don't understand what the fuss is all about, especially when you throw Mason into the discussion who's a freaking pratice squad player. Seriously, who cares?

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;494930]Yeah ok they never make wrong decisions. Keeping Tryon...Drafting 3 receviers and none have contributed. Keeping Durant Brooks over Frost. Keeping Kelly on the active roster..Signing dried up tip toe burgular. jason Taylor isn't really panning out..I hope he does. But right now...It isn't seeming that way. I will let him slide because of injuries but when he was healthy he batted balls. Does he have any sacks? Shall I continue. Thrash could return kicks or someone else for that matter. I am tired of hearing that excuse. Thrash almost returned one last year.

Someone said they need to give Rock the ball more. Why aren't they? Why did they even have to sign SA if we had Rock? I do agree we need to give Sellers the ball more. I think he is definitely under utilized. I would atleast set him up for more catches.[/quote]
Ok, if we just stuck to Rock and he or CP got hurt then what? With all those bad decisions you pointed out its a wonder how we ever got to 6 and 2. Taylor has not been healthy all season but thats how things go sometimes.

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Why did they even sign SA if they had rock?

b/c if CP went down for any stretch in a game we would only have rock running the ball. not having a back up long snapper is one thing but going into a game with 2 runningbacks is just asking to run into trouble. (ohhh yeahhh cheesy pun intended!!)

i havent paid attention to this thread for awhile but are we still arguing over who we should have brought in to run the ball 2-3 times a game until betts comes back after the bye?

go skins!!!

side note - did anyone else notice rocks tenacity on special teams in the game right after we brought SA on board? he made 2 great tackles which i assume was his statement in regards to bringing SA in. it was nice to see, rock is a true skin.

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I'm just glad SA is working out so well like everyone said he would instead of Mason.

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I still maintain Shaun Alexander is a BUM and a waste of a roster spot. His performance through two weeks confirms my position. Through two week, he has 9 carries for 19 yards, an average of 2.1 yards per carry (horrible) and 1 catch for 9 yards. I expect more out of the primary backup running back.

Compare these lousy stats to Ladell Betts for a 6 week period. Betts had 38 carries for 156 yards, an average of 4.1 yards per carry (respectable) and 6 catches for 44 yards, 7.3 yards per catch. Alexander better pick up the pace. With Portis dinged up this week, Alexander better do more than his two yards and fall down against Pittsburgh. They will need him this week.

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[quote=Mattyk72;494946]Nobody is right all the time when making personnel decisions. But generally speaking the people calling the shots know what they're doing when compared to the armchair GM fans. We're talking about a RB that was signed for the vet min to keep the bench warm until Betts gets back. I don't understand what the fuss is all about, especially when you throw Mason into the discussion who's a freaking pratice squad player. Seriously, who cares?[/quote]

Matty, most of the posters here are "Armchair GM's" "Monday Morning QB's"
It wouldn't be fun on your Warpath if it wasn't that way. I do agree with you that the Know people know more than I do, but it's still entertaining and informative getting other fans thoughts about the team. SA was a good signing just to give CP a rest if nothing else. If SA doen't fumble the damn ball he's made his paycheck.

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It's hard to properly gauge him on just 9 carries. Plus let's consider he's working his way back into football shape, and it's a new running game for him.