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What a difference a month makes . I am glad I am no longer on Extremeskins site . Last week all the chatter was about changing QB... dumb...now we want to throw the HC out...I dispair ..

The one thing I don't like about this media age is opinion, rumor and innuendo become fact . The run on Campbell last week I think was started by a rumor on the ES board there was no fact to it . Now Snider is giving his opinion as fact and I hate to think what is happening .

The problem is the media and the fans are fickle and inconsistent with very short memories.

They say "We NEED to build through the draft" then shout and scream when the draft picks do not become instant stars .... you want an instant star you go out and buy one in free agency .

They say "We NEED stability" then shout and cry and demand change at the first sign of adversity ... We have lost 4 of the last 5 games but in that 4 game streak we played the Steelers, Giants, Ravens and Cowboys ... the game I am most upset about is the Boys game who simply sat on the short routes and we should have used more draws and longer passes to counter that but with a gimpy Moss our deap game was done for.

Taking the boys out of that the combined record of those other three is 30-9 . That is a rough patch for any team to endure . if you include the boys 38-14.

There are a lot of good things going on with the team, flashes from the rookies like when Thomas made the sideline catch and then just shed the DB who tried to make the tackle ... Portis pouting is not one of them but I think Portis is a speak first think later kind of guy .... think Mike Vick and dog fighting ... I think it is interesting one thing that isn't being talked about is Zorn trying to fix fences ...

The problem is if your team goes 6-2 and is in the nations capital it is going to get attention ..

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[quote=bedlamVR;510193]What a difference a month makes . I am glad I am no longer on Extremeskins site . Last week all the chatter was about changing QB... dumb...now we want to throw the HC out...I dispair ..

The one thing I don't like about this media age is opinion, rumor and innuendo become fact . The run on Campbell last week I think was started by a rumor on the ES board there was no fact to it . Now Snider is giving his opinion as fact and I hate to think what is happening .

The problem is the media and the fans are fickle and inconsistent with very short memories.

They say "We NEED to build through the draft" then shout and scream when the draft picks do not become instant stars .... you want an instant star you go out and buy one in free agency .

They say "We NEED stability" then shout and cry and demand change at the first sign of adversity ... We have lost 4 of the last 5 games but in that 4 game streak we played the Steelers, Giants, Ravens and Cowboys ... the game I am most upset about is the Boys game who simply sat on the short routes and we should have used more draws and longer passes to counter that but with a gimpy Moss our deap game was done for.

Taking the boys out of that the combined record of those other three is 30-9 . That is a rough patch for any team to endure . if you include the boys 38-14.

There are a lot of good things going on with the team, flashes from the rookies like when Thomas made the sideline catch and then just shed the DB who tried to make the tackle ... Portis pouting is not one of them but I think Portis is a speak first think later kind of guy .... think Mike Vick and dog fighting ... I think it is interesting one thing that isn't being talked about is Zorn trying to fix fences ...

The problem is if your team goes 6-2 and is in the nations capital it is going to get attention ..[/quote]

One of the most astute posts I'v ever read here

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agreed, there are glimpses of greatness

but more question marks to pound till we got somethin solid than mario

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Nothing the Skins do would surprise me but if they did this it would officially stamp the Skins and the 2nd worst franchise (Det is worst) in the NFL. This would be a stupid move of titanic proportions but like I said, its the Skins and nothing they do surprises me.

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[quote=RMSkins;510013]You're kidding right? Ever team deals with injuries, and it's the coaches job to adjust properly and deal with those injuries. What did Zorn think he was going to make it through a whole season without any injuries?[/quote]

Thanks for that! *rolls eyes*
We all know teams deal with injuries. Especially @ this time of the season. But unless Zorn suits it up and starts running routes, covering WR's & blocking defensive lineman......I'm pretty sure he's (and yes other head coaches as well) at the mercy of a 2nd,3rd,or 4th string's talent & abilities!
He may adjust...but that doesn't make the players skills any better.

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[quote=Takeuon;510229]Thanks for that! *rolls eyes*
We all know teams deal with injuries. Especially @ this time of the season. But unless Zorn suits it up and starts running routes, covering WR's & blocking defensive lineman......I'm pretty sure he's (and yes other head coaches as well) at the mercy of a 2nd,3rd,or 4th string's talent & abilities!
He may adjust...but that doesn't make the players skills any better.[/quote]

100% correct. The talent (or lack of it) is what holding Zorn back. He cant do what he wants because the players just cant do it.

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I see alot of people commenting that he has a team that made the playoffs last year and he has the same defensive and offensive players. Last year we had Taylor and then after his passing the team used that to propel them to the playoffs and we just barely made it.

The fact that we have the same team and not an improved team is a problem that rests with the FO. Most of the other teams have improved and added new players. We have alot of old guys who are just a year older and at their age it makes a big difference. Blaming this on Zorn is ridiculous. You can't win with an offensive line that is basically a turnstyle and a defensive line that can't get to the QB even when we blitz.

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[quote=Jake2008;510246]I see alot of people commenting that he has a team that made the playoffs last year and he has the same defensive and offensive players. Last year we had Taylor and then after his passing the team used that to propel them to the playoffs and we just barely made it.

The fact that we have the same team and not an improved team is a problem that rests with the FO. Most of the other teams have improved and added new players. We have alot of old guys who are just a year older and at their age it makes a big difference. Blaming this on Zorn is ridiculous. You can't win with an offensive line that is basically a turnstyle and a defensive line that can't get to the QB even when we blitz.[/quote]

I say it in another thread, the FO spends too much $ for the Skins to ever go 1-15 but they dont build the team the way championship teams are built so as a result this team is stuck (as its been for a long time now) in that zone between bad team and champion always finishing somewhere in the 8-8 range. What I am starting hear is that fans are beginning to feel the fan being bled out of them and that's not a good thing for ticket sales, etc.

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[quote=irish;510250]I say it in another thread, the FO spends too much $ for the Skins to ever go 1-15 but they dont build the team the way championship teams are built so as a result this team is stuck (as its been for a long time now) in that zone between bad team and champion always finishing somewhere in the 8-8 range. What I am starting hear is that fans are beginning to feel the fan being bled out of them and that's not a good thing for ticket sales, etc.[/quote]

Ya I really wish we would have hired Parcells and canned Cerrato to build this team the way it should be built, thru the draft. The fact Parcells was willing to give up Taylor should have told us to walk away from that deal.

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[quote=Jake2008;510246]I see alot of people commenting that he has a team that made the playoffs last year and he has the same defensive and offensive players. Last year we had Taylor and then after his passing the team used that to propel them to the playoffs and we just barely made it.

The fact that we have the same team and not an improved team is a problem that rests with the FO. Most of the other teams have improved and added new players. We have alot of old guys who are just a year older and at their age it makes a big difference. Blaming this on Zorn is ridiculous. You can't win with an offensive line that is basically a turnstyle and a defensive line that can't get to the QB even when we blitz.[/quote]


Well some of the younger guys (Campbell, Rogers, Blades, McIntosh, Montgomery, Alexander) have another year of experience under their belts and some of the others (Horton, Thomas, Kelly, Hall to an extent) are just starting to get experience. And still others (Davis, Rinehart, Tryon) should start getting that experience soon.

The problem isn't as much having the players (though I agree they need more) to improve the team, it's more so making the commitment to play those players. The reality is that that commitment could mean you deal with a couple of dreadful seasons where we aren't hovering around the playoff picture until the final week. This team may just have to be awful to be great.

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[quote=SmootSmack;510259]Well some of the younger guys (Campbell, Rogers, Blades, McIntosh, Montgomery, Alexander) have another year of experience under their belts and some of the others (Horton, Thomas, Kelly, Hall to an extent) are just starting to get experience. And still others (Davis, Rinehart, Tryon) should start getting that experience soon.

The problem isn't as much having the players (though I agree they need more) to improve the team, it's more so making the commitment to play those players. The reality is that that commitment could mean you deal with a couple of dreadful seasons where we aren't hovering around the playoff picture until the final week. This team may just have to be awful to be great.[/quote]

I agree those guys are getting more experience, unfortunately most are not playing at the positions where we need the most help, the offensive and defensive lines. I think our defense would be dominant if we had a defensive lineman that could rush the QB and command double teams. And I really think our offense would be pretty good if we could just provide some protection for Campbell. These are the areas where we haven't improved at all. In fact we lost Daniels which was one of our better lineman.

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I hope Zorn gets fired. I want Cowher IN O9-10!! This guy might be able to be a head coach in 5-7 years but right now he's just a good coordinator. He would be a great o-coord. thats all.

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[quote=Jake2008;510264]I agree those guys are getting more experience, unfortunately most are not playing at the positions where we need the most help, the offensive and defensive lines. I think our defense would be dominant if we had a defensive lineman that could rush the QB and command double teams. And I really think our offense would be pretty good if we could just provide some protection for Campbell. These are the areas where we haven't improved at all. In fact we lost Daniels which was one of our better lineman.[/quote]

Well, I think that we have some good young pieces (still missing a dominant piece) on the defensive line but would agree that we need much more help on the offensive line. Although I have really high hopes for Rinehart and think Heyer is at least decent.

Losing Daniels definitely hurt us, but what arguably hurt us just as much was that his backup who was supposed to play a bigger role this season (Alex Buzbee) got hurt on the same day.

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[quote=irish;510226]Nothing the Skins do would surprise me but if they did this it would officially stamp the Skins and the 2nd worst franchise (Det is worst) in the NFL. This would be a stupid move of titanic proportions but like I said, its the Skins and nothing they do surprises me.[/quote]

How about:

Oakland
Cincinnati
Kansas City
St. Louis
Cleveland
San Fran

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This is not going to happen.
The fact that a rumor such as this is being passed around (by some of you) and discussed as a possible avenue to success of this team is a REAL shame. Any of you Ninnie's endorsing such a move, need to spend a little more time looking for work................and less time here. Well....there is that drug test thing.....problem

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[quote=RMSkins;509914]I totally disagree. If we lose our next three games, after starting the season 6-2, and finish the season 7-9 I think absolutely merits a firing. This was a playoff team last year with virtually the same players. We have the talent on this team i'm just not exactly sure if it's being used properly.[/quote]

Play off team yes, but even Gibbs had a bad year in between his two playoff runs. This was a tall order to ask of any new head coach. Then throw in the fact that he has never been an NFL coordinator let alone a coach. Then hand him the team and say see what you can do a long with a new scheme (WCO). Plus it wasn't like he was hired in Jan or Feb. it was like what March or April right before the draft. He had to review film to see what he had then decide what he needed in the draft to only get to pick best player available instead by positional need. Then come up with a playbook, training schedule, preseason schedule, teach a QB how to be a QB, teach a whole team his WCO scoring machine we were promised, and play call for games. Even Gibbs looked bad his first year. Lost what the first 5 games ended up 8-8. Then progressivly got better.

I say we need to give Zorn time. He needs to get "his" type of players he needs to run his offense. The best part about Gibbs was he came here and realized that the players didn't fit his system so he changed his system halfway through the year which many people accredited him for developing. There was the WCO and Gibbs offense. The trees split off from there. Now the problem I see with Zorn is he has not adapted to his players. He wants them to adapt to his system and we don't have the right players in the system. WCO needs tall WR's we don't have them developed to run this system. It needs more of a run blocking TE and Cooley is more of a passing TE due to size. I've heard mention that the whole O-line is not typical of a WCO. He should get one more year to try to empliment his offense but I will add that I don't know if he will get it. If Snyder learns that Cowher is wanting back in coaching and still has a hard on for the man then Zorn is gone.

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It is completely understandable that Jim Zorn is a rookie head coach/coordinator and needs time, but it's a bad experiment with the wrong team. People keep saying its the personnel problems but this very same team was good enough to go to the playoffs last year and go 6-2 earlier this year against very good teams. NOW...I'm a die hard Redskins fan and the one thing I'm starting to notice is I'm able to predict the plays we call before we hike the ball. It's just that predictable. YES Campbell played well earlier and YES he has improved from last year, but much of that success is from a new system and a QB with limited knowledge of it. Defenses have figured us out. Our Offensive Line is not fully responsible for the protection problems either as we now have so many protection schemes and no one is fully getting it. The Offense is so complexed that its even slowing the progress of rookies like Devin Thomas and Fred Davis because they're confused. Not just them but Veterans too. It all falls down to Zorn for most of the blame. This Redskins Team right now is very good in personnel but we need the right Offensive Coordinator and scheme and Zorn just isn't it. Last year our offense was making progress under Al Saunders from what control of the offense he did have with Gibbs and it makes no sense why we got rid of him. We played well with the lil we had and not to mention the O-Line injuries. We would have excell with the new rookies this year. Every loved the WCO first because it spreads the offense and gives Campbell more options but what people failed to realize is that is also brings a lot more responsibility to everyone, and now its getting to all the players as you can see. Zorn may be a good coach but just not now and not with us...I hope he does get Fired...even at 6-2 i knew we would really struggle soon

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[quote=tc200716;510379][B]It is completely understandable that Jim Zorn is a rookie head coach/coordinator and needs time[/B], but it's a bad experiment with the wrong team. People keep saying its the personnel problems but this very same team was good enough to go to the playoffs last year and go 6-2 earlier this year against very good teams. NOW...I'm a die hard Redskins fan and the one thing I'm starting to notice is I'm able to predict the plays we call before we hike the ball. It's just that predictable. YES Campbell played well earlier and YES he has improved from last year, but much of that success is from a new system and a QB with limited knowledge of it. Defenses have figured us out. Our Offensive Line is not fully responsible for the protection problems either as we now have so many protection schemes and no one is fully getting it. The Offense is so complexed that its even slowing the progress of rookies like Devin Thomas and Fred Davis because they're confused. Not just them but Veterans too. It all falls down to Zorn for most of the blame. This Redskins Team right now is very good in personnel but we need the right Offensive Coordinator and scheme and Zorn just isn't it. Last year our offense was making progress under Al Saunders from what control of the offense he did have with Gibbs and it makes no sense why we got rid of him. We played well with the lil we had and not to mention the O-Line injuries. We would have excell with the new rookies this year. Every loved the WCO first because it spreads the offense and gives Campbell more options but what people failed to realize is that is also brings a lot more responsibility to everyone, and now its getting to all the players as you can see. Zorn may be a good coach but just not now and not with us..[B].I hope he does get Fired...even at 6-2 i knew we would really struggle soon[/B][/quote]

If it is understandable that a Rookie HC would struggle, then why would you hope he does get fired? Unless you want to go through a new coach every year??

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[quote=Vulta121;510266]I hope Zorn gets fired. I want Cowher IN O9-10!! This guy might be able to be a head coach in 5-7 years but right now he's just a good coordinator. He would be a great o-coord. thats all.[/quote]

If the Skins fire Zorn after 1 year only an idiot or someone totally desperate would want to coach in this disfunctional organization. Oh yea, I almost forgot, someone who wants a big paycheck since paying people is what this organization does best.

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I would be more surprised if the Redskins win another the game than I would be if Zorn gets fired. Of course, it should be obvious now that Cerratto is the one who should be fired.

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Does that mean you expect Zorn to be fired? or that you don't expect us to win again?

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If the Redskins win even one more game they will be 8-8. It is just unbelievable that ppl believe that Snyder would fire a coach if he has an 8-8 season as a rookie coach.

Snyder only let go of General Schottenheimer because he wouldn't share the personnel decision duties with a GM. He had a 8-8 first season.

Snyder was going to give Spurrier a third season even though the team was in super-meltdown mode and a 5 win season.

Snyder would have given Gibbs a fourth or fifth season - Gibbs had a five win first season.

So why would Snyder dump Zorn after his rookie season? Vinny is the GM and many of the coaching staff were forced on Zorn.

Don't understand the logic people are using to say Zorn will be dumped when Dannny snyder has shown he is more loyal to coaches in the last 6 years.

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[quote=irish;510417]If the Skins fire Zorn after 1 year only an idiot or someone totally desperate would want to coach in this disfunctional organization. Oh yea, I almost forgot, someone who wants a big paycheck since paying people is what this organization does best.[/quote]

Unless the Redskins hire someone who would retain Zorn's offense changing coaches would only hurt Jason Campbell. There's only so much a guy can be expected to absorb

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I think this game ends Zorn's career, very short career in DC

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play calling sucks, i think we have the players to do alot better, zorn cant call a game period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Did someone say Zorn would be a great O-Coordinator??

Really??

It does not matter who the head coach is .... the Washington Redskins will never be in a Super Bowl again it appears... they will not figure it out my lifetime at least

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Zorn & Sellers drop the ball on this game on that key drive!!!

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;511542]I think this game ends Zorn's career, very short career in DC[/quote]

Well in that case we better get Cowher, the list of other potential candidates isn't exactly promising.

[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/12/02/coaches/index.html"]Names to know as next NFL coaches - Don Banks - SI.com[/URL]

I mean lets see.

Russ Grimm - Makes a lot of sense. He wouldn't be scared to stand up to Snyder, he'd focus on the draft, he'd not only build the lines but help make the current group better, he's loved in the area. On top of that he might even be inclined to implement a 3-4 defense especially considering the fact that he worked under Cowher. Personally Grimm might be the next best thing. Of course my only concern is he wouldn't be as likely to destroy the front office structure as Cowher would.

Steve Spagnola - Smart man, had the foresight to recognize the teams current structure as a career killer.

Jim Swartz - If not Cowher or Grimm then this guy should be the man, assuming he interviewed as well as he did. Also assuming he doesn't end up like Gregg Williams when he became head coach.

Josh McDaniels - Overrated

Jason Garret - Do I even need to explain.

Pete Carroll - Ra ra college coach. No thanks

Marty - That bridge was burned, nuked and then thrown into a black hole.

Rex Ryan - Like the defense but not to crazy about taking another Ravens DC and making him a head coach.

Mike Muklarkey - No thanks, especially considering his distaste for Tight Ends.

Kirk Ferentz - College coach, no thanks

Jim Harbaugh - Interesting but I'd lean towards no.

Mike Leach - Spurrier 2.0

Jim Fassel - Well that bridge is only partially burned.

However in my mind Cowher at this point makes to much sense.
- He'll blow up the front office structure that is obcessed with finding recievers.

- He'll rebuild the lines and on top of that he'll use the draft.

- He'll impliment a 3-4 defense that should instantlly bolster our pash rushing woes.

- He'll build a team suited for playing in the NFC East.

- He might even be able to salvage the career of Jason Campbell but if not he won't be scared to bench him.

Cowher 2009. FTW. And yes count me as an official bandwagon jumper.

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[QUOTE=A10sROCK;510522]

Snyder only let go of General Schottenheimer because he wouldn't share the personnel decision duties with a GM. He had a 8-8 first season.
QUOTE]


There is a huge diffence between going 0-5 and finishing 8-8 and starting 6-2 and going 8-8...

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[quote=bjschmonsees;511695][quote=A10sROCK;510522]

Snyder only let go of General Schottenheimer because he wouldn't share the personnel decision duties with a GM. He had a 8-8 first season.
QUOTE]


There is a huge diffence between going 0-5 and finishing 8-8 and starting 6-2 and going 8-8...[/quote]
We'll be lucky to go 8-8.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;511655]Well in that case we better get Cowher, the list of other potential candidates isn't exactly promising.

[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/12/02/coaches/index.html"]Names to know as next NFL coaches - Don Banks - SI.com[/URL]

I mean lets see.

Russ Grimm - Makes a lot of sense. He wouldn't be scared to stand up to Snyder, he'd focus on the draft, he'd not only build the lines but help make the current group better, he's loved in the area. On top of that he might even be inclined to implement a 3-4 defense especially considering the fact that he worked under Cowher. Personally Grimm might be the next best thing. Of course my only concern is he wouldn't be as likely to destroy the front office structure as Cowher would.

Steve Spagnola - Smart man, had the foresight to recognize the teams current structure as a career killer.

Jim Swartz - If not Cowher or Grimm then this guy should be the man, assuming he interviewed as well as he did. Also assuming he doesn't end up like Gregg Williams when he became head coach.

Josh McDaniels - Overrated

Jason Garret - Do I even need to explain.

Pete Carroll - Ra ra college coach. No thanks

Marty - That bridge was burned, nuked and then thrown into a black hole.

Rex Ryan - Like the defense but not to crazy about taking another Ravens DC and making him a head coach.

Mike Muklarkey - No thanks, especially considering his distaste for Tight Ends.

Kirk Ferentz - College coach, no thanks

Jim Harbaugh - Interesting but I'd lean towards no.

Mike Leach - Spurrier 2.0

Jim Fassel - Well that bridge is only partially burned.

However in my mind Cowher at this point makes to much sense.
- He'll blow up the front office structure that is obcessed with finding recievers.

- He'll rebuild the lines and on top of that he'll use the draft.

- He'll impliment a 3-4 defense that should instantlly bolster our pash rushing woes.

- He'll build a team suited for playing in the NFC East.

- He might even be able to salvage the career of Jason Campbell but if not he won't be scared to bench him.

Cowher 2009. FTW. And yes count me as an official bandwagon jumper.[/quote]

You left out the best of the crop, Cam cameron. Before I get criticized look at Baltimore with a rookie QB>

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511742]You left out the best of the crop, Cam cameron. Before I get criticized look at Baltimore with a rookie QB>[/quote]

I'll argue that he is more suited to be a coordinator rather then a head coach. Especially considering the fact that he went 1-15 as a head coach I would rather have Zorn.

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Cameron = Norv Turner.

Good coordinator, shitty HC.

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I think after today Zorn is in serious trouble. The playcalling was some of the worst I've ever seen.

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[quote=Mattyk72;511749]Cameron = Norv Turner.

Good coordinator, shitty HC.[/quote]

One season doesn't warrant this type of judgement. If he did it for 2 seasons then maybe. He wasn't given a fair chance, one season doesn't warrant a firing unless you are Bobby Petrino. Then maybe we should fire Zorn? Wrong!!!

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If Zorn's job isn't in jeopardy, it should be. Zorn was brought in to turn Campbell into a star and make our offense productive again. It looks like he is failing in both departments. This team looks very, very sloppy and mistake-prone, the hallmark of poor coaching.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511756]One season doesn't warrant this type of judgement. If he did it for 2 seasons then maybe. He wasn't given a fair chance, one season doesn't warrant a firing unless you are Bobby Petrino. Then maybe we should fire Zorn? Wrong!!![/quote]

1-15 will get a coach fired almost every time.

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[quote=Mattyk72;511760]1-15 will get a coach fired almost every time.[/quote]

Jimmie Johnson didn't and look what he did. My gut feeling tells me Cam can be a HC, he has a personality like Gibbs and a high scoring offensive philosophy.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511763]Jimmie Johnson didn't and look what he did. My gut feeling tells me Cam can be a HC, he has a personality like Gibbs and a high scoring offensive philosophy.[/quote]

JJ was the exception.

I have some inside info from the Dolphins org. and the word was Cameron never won the respect of that locker room and it was a big reason for the 1-15 mark. He was in way over his head as a leader. The comparison to Turner has been made by plenty of league insiders in the know.

re: D.C. Examiner: Zorn's job in jeopardy? (not so fast he's coming back)
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;511759]If Zorn's job isn't in jeopardy, it should be. Zorn was brought in to turn Campbell into a star and make our offense productive again. It looks like he is failing in both departments. This team looks very, very sloppy and mistake-prone, the hallmark of poor coaching.[/quote]

Zorn has made plenty of mistakes but you just can't fire the guy after one year. Look how poor Gibbs was in 04?