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[quote=celts32;512352]I want Suisham gone the day after the season ends. I would not even let him come to camp to compete for the job. He fools you by kicking well in August and September but by the time the leaves fall you are left with the same old Suisham and it's too late to do anything about it. That's why I don't even want him in camp, becasue he will fool them into giving him the job again.[/quote]
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[quote=celts32;512337]I don't know...that's TV talk...how about anyone different whether proven or not. This guy has had 10 years...we have even replaced the secretaries since Snyder took over and I don't think it's their fault.
The only time I ever felt like the Redskins were truely going in the right direction since Snyder has owned the team was during the second half of the season Marty was here. VC was gone and Snyder was in the background and the team really seemed like it had a plan and was heading somewhere. And I am probably the biggest Gibbs fan in the world but even during the years he was here you always knew in the back of your mind that he was going to leave eventually and we would be left with VC & Dan again.[/quote] I think a proven football man is a person w/ a good track record of handling the football operations of a team. Meaning inside and outside scouting, drafting, free agency, and the cap. If this person doesn't have 1st hand experience, then working along side of a successful franchise GM such as the Ravens, Steelers, Giants, Titans, or some other respected franchise in some high level capacity. Someone that understands today's NFL and today's player. I'd lean towards a younger GM. Someone that comes highly recommended by his peers and highly thought of by his competition. We have a truly unique franchise w/ an owner that is willing to do anything to win. We're one of the few franchises that can say that. VC is a personel guy, yes. I just don't think he understands how to build a team. He's had his chance. |
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[quote=redsk1;512414]I think a proven football man is a person w/ a good track record of handling the football operations of a team. Meaning inside and outside scouting, drafting, free agency, and the cap. If this person doesn't have 1st hand experience, then working along side of a successful franchise GM such as the Ravens, Steelers, Giants, Titans, or some other respected franchise in some high level capacity. Someone that understands today's NFL and today's player. I'd lean towards a younger GM. Someone that comes highly recommended by his peers and highly thought of by his competition.
We have a truly unique franchise w/ an owner that is willing to do anything to win. We're one of the few franchises that can say that. VC is a personel guy, yes. I just don't think he understands how to build a team. He's had his chance.[/quote] I agree with you 100%. |
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ARE (trade)
Washington Smoot Griffin Springs (trade) Moss (trade) Jansen Fabini Yoder Thrash Doughty (trade) Betts (trade) McIntosh (trade) he has had an ATRCIOUS year. Yesterday was the nadir of his career. Portis (trade) Sign: Jordan gross from Carolina and at least of 1 of the 3 haynesworth/vilma/karlos dansby. Draft: 2 OL, 2 DL, LB, RB, FS (we are not using LL properly. He is not a FS) Punter (just kidding) This presupposes that Cerrato is NO longer in charge of drafting. Otherwise, I don’t trade ANY of those guys. What you think? |
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I'm sticking to reducing beer and hot dogs to a buck.
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[quote=ST21RIP;512468]ARE (trade)
Washington Smoot Griffin Springs (trade) Moss (trade) Jansen Fabini Yoder Thrash Doughty (trade) Betts (trade) McIntosh (trade) he has had an ATRCIOUS year. Yesterday was the nadir of his career. Portis (trade) Sign: Jordan gross from Carolina and at least of 1 of the 3 haynesworth/vilma/karlos dansby. Draft: 2 OL, 2 DL, LB, RB, FS (we are not using LL properly. He is not a FS) Punter (just kidding) This presupposes that Cerrato is NO longer in charge of drafting. Otherwise, I don’t trade ANY of those guys. What you think?[/quote] I think thats a viable list of cuts and trades...id keep portis, because i still need a face to this franchise. Id also cut rabach and maybe even rock. Id keep moss, and perhaps package up smauels or somebody else for a pick.. i dunno..I am starting to firmly believe the biggest problem with this franchise is the age and drop off in depth and the only way we will ever get any better is to cut ties with all the high paid, aging players brought in over the past 7 years and aquire drafts and youth that can be molded. I stick with zorn for one more year if he fails, then i get another coach, drop campbell, drop brennan and search for a franchise qb to build around. |
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[quote=ST21RIP;512468]ARE (trade)
Washington Smoot Griffin Springs (trade) Moss (trade) Jansen Fabini Yoder Thrash Doughty (trade) Betts (trade) McIntosh (trade) he has had an ATRCIOUS year. Yesterday was the nadir of his career. Portis (trade) Sign: Jordan gross from Carolina and at least of 1 of the 3 haynesworth/vilma/karlos dansby. Draft: 2 OL, 2 DL, LB, RB, FS (we are not using LL properly. He is not a FS) Punter (just kidding) This presupposes that Cerrato is NO longer in charge of drafting. Otherwise, I don’t trade ANY of those guys. What you think?[/quote] I think you need a lesson in salary cap 101. All those cuts/trades would drown us in cap hits. |
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[quote=Mattyk72;512505]I think you need a lesson in salary cap 101. All those cuts/trades would drown us in cap hits.[/quote]
Not that I agree with alot of it, especialy Moss. Randel El might have trade value, but I doubt the rest of the list, realy has any trade value. But, with 2010 as a no cap year it may be possible to cut anybody pro rating it over two years. |
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[quote=ST21RIP;512468]ARE (trade)
Washington Smoot Griffin Springs (trade) Moss (trade) Jansen Fabini Yoder Thrash Doughty (trade) Betts (trade) McIntosh (trade) he has had an ATRCIOUS year. Yesterday was the nadir of his career. Portis (trade) Sign: Jordan gross from Carolina and at least of 1 of the 3 haynesworth/vilma/karlos dansby. Draft: 2 OL, 2 DL, LB, RB, FS (we are not using LL properly. He is not a FS) Punter (just kidding) This presupposes that Cerrato is NO longer in charge of drafting. Otherwise, I don’t trade ANY of those guys. What you think?[/quote] Don't worry about Matty, just set the Salary Cap to "OFF" in Franchise Mode. |
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I think the hope of turning the Salary Cap off is our best chance of turning this thing round sooner rather than later(slim has left town). I sort of agree with most of these moves.
ST21RIP Re: If You Ran the Redskins... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARE (trade) Washington Smoot Griffin Springs (trade) Moss (trade) Jansen Fabini Yoder Thrash Doughty (trade) Betts (trade) McIntosh (trade) he has had an ATRCIOUS year. Yesterday was the nadir of his career. Portis (trade) |
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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;512567]Don't worry about Matty, just set the Salary Cap to "OFF" in Franchise Mode.[/quote]
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[B]COACHING STAFF
[/B] I give Zorn another year to get his stuff together. I give, of all people, Gregg Williams an offer to come back as defensive coordinator if Greg Blache retires. I give Danny Smith, Stan Hixon and Steve Jackson the boot. I politely and respectfully ask Buges if he wants to retire. [B]PLAYERS[/B] I'd like to cut, sign and draft more players, but I don't it's just not feasible to whack every underperforming player and sign more than 1-3 quality starters. With that in mind, the players re-signed are underlined, the players cut are in red, and the players added via the draft of free agency and in bold. QB - Jason Campbell, Colt Brennan, Todd Collins RB/FB - Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartright, Mike Sellers TE - Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, [B][COLOR="red"]Todd Yoder[/COLOR][/B] WR - Santana Moss, Malcolm Kelly, Antwaan Randle El, Devin Thomas, [B]Devry Henderson[/B], [B][COLOR="Red"]James Thrash[/COLOR][/B] LT - Chris Samuels, Stephon Heyer LG - [U]Pete Kendall[/U], Chad Rinehart C - [B]Max Unger (3rd round)[/B], Casey Rabach, [B][COLOR="red"]Justin Geisinger[/COLOR][/B] RG - Randy Thomas, [U]Jason Fabini[/U] RT - [B]Eugene Monroe (1st round)[/B], Jon Jansen DE - Andre Carter, [U]Demetric Evans[/U], Chris Wilson DT - Cornelius Griffin, Lorenzo Alexander, [B][COLOR="Red"]Ryan Boschetti[/COLOR][/B] DT - [U]Anthony Montgomery[/U], [U]Kedric Golston[/U] DE - [B]Terrell Suggs[/B], Rob Jackson, [B][COLOR="red"]Jason Taylor[/COLOR][/B] OLB - [B]Karlos Dansby[/B], [U]Alfred Fincher[/U], [B][COLOR="red"]Marcus Washington[/COLOR][/B] MLB - London Fletcher, H.B. Blades OLB - Rocky McIntosh, [B]Jonathan Casillas (5th round)[/B], [U]Khary Campell[/U] CB - [U]DeAngelo Hall[/U], Justin Tryon, [B]Justin Miller[/B] CB - Carlos Rogers, Fred Smoot, [B][COLOR="red"]Shawn Springs[/COLOR][/B] FS - Laron Landry, Kareem Moore SS - Chris Horton, [U]Mike Green[/U], [B][COLOR="Red"]Reed Doughty[/COLOR][/B] K - [B][COLOR="Black"]Anyone but Shaun Suisham[/COLOR][/B], [B][COLOR="Red"]Shaun Suisham[/COLOR][/B] P - Ryan Plackemeier LS - [U]Ethan Albright[/U] |
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[quote=celts32;512465]I agree with you 100%.[/quote]
Look what the Falcons did recently. They went after Scott Pioli GM of the Patriots. They didn't get him. What they did get was a recommendation of Thomas Demitroff his #1 guy. Demitroff then purged Atlanta's malcontents, hired a new coach, drafted well (for only 1 year really), signed a FA or two, and look at them now. Really unbelievable. You can't expect a turnaround so quick, but the blueprints are there. |
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QB: Campbell, Collins, Brennan
RB/FB: Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Sellers TE: Cooley, Davis, Yoder WR: Moss, Randle El, Thomas, Kelly, Devery Henderson (FA) OT: Samuels, Michael Oher (1st), Heyer, Jansen OG: Kendall, Rinehart, Thomas, Fabini C: Rabach, Antoine Caldwell (5th) DE: Carter, Suggs (FA), Evans, Daniels, Jackson, Wilson DT: Griffin, Golston, Montgomery, Alexander LB: Fletcher, McIntosh, Washington, Blades,Tyrone McKenzie (3rd), Campbell CB: Rogers, Hall, Bryant McFadden (FA), Smoot, Tryon S: Landry, Horton, Moore, Yeremiah Bell (FA) K: Shayne Graham (FA) P: Plackemeier LS: Albright |
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Pay Parcells double!
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1. I would bring in someone who values building through the draft to run personnel under Vinnie and transition Vinnie into an operational role.
2. I would make sure to retain the remaining draft picks I have for 2009 and look very seriously at bolstering these units: defensive end, offensive tackle, linebacker. 3. I would find a way to bring in one blue chip pass rushing defensive player - either Peppers or Suggs if the price is not astronomical. If the price tag is too high with those guys I'd target a second-tier young DE like Canty or Udeze. 4. I would consider bringing in a young linebacker who could play inside or out. Dansby would be ideal. 5. I would also target a young interior offensive lineman in free agency to provide additional depth. 6. I would offer several veterans the option to renegotiate at a lower annual salary: Griffin, Springs, Washington, Taylor. |
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From PK's MMQB:
No wonder Tennessee wins every year. The Titans have the best defensive depth in recent NFL history. No Albert Haynesworth 'til the playoffs? No Kyle Vanden Bosch 'til the playoffs? No worries! We'll just trot out a second-round pick from Eastern Michigan, Jason Jones, to get 3.5 sacks and force three fumbles in a game for AFC home-field advantage through the playoffs. We'll just start a free-agent from UCLA who didn't even play football in 2007, Dave Ball, for Vanden Bosch, rotate him with Jacob Ford and get four quarterback hits out of them. And when Jevon Kearse, the left end, goes down early in the second half, we'll throw a fourth-round pick from Winston-Salem State, William Hayes, in the game, and he'll get a sack of Ben Roethlisberger, a forced fumble and a fumble recovery. Tennessee 31, Pittsburgh 14. The score is surprising enough, seeing that the Steelers had been playing like the '65 Packers. But it's who the Titans won with. For much of the second half, this was their six-man rotation on the defensive line: William Hayes, Tony Brown, Jason Jones, Dave Ball, Jacob Ford, Amon Gordon. Fourth-round rookie, 2006 street free-agent, second-round rookie, 2008 street free-agent, sixth-round pick in 2007, practice-squad addition last week. "First of all, these players are good, solid NFL players,'' defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz said over the phone afterward. "Second, we have a great defensive line coach, Jim Washburn, who gets them ready to play, no excuses. And our GM, Mike Reinfeldt, doesn't get enough credit for knowing what we do on defense and going out and getting players who fit what we do. We get injuries, and we've got players to plug in -- and if you don't have that in the NFL today, you're not going to win. "In our defense, we don't blitz much, maybe 15, 16 percent of the time. So the defensive linemen have some freedom to play their games, instead of worrying that there's going to be a blitzer coming through the gap to their right so they've got to avoid going in that direction. When you don't blitz, the defensive ends can use all their skills.'' Schwartz is a thinking man's coordinator. He's not afraid of relying on inexperienced players to get pressure because he knows his secondary can cover. He knew entering Sunday's game that he could get a few pile-pushing rushes from a 305-pound practice player, Gordon, who pressured Roethlisberger into one of his sacks and fumbles. "Roethlisberger was holding the ball so long because of the superb coverage in our back end,'' said Schwartz. "That allowed our front to get to him.'' Winning home-field, Schwartz said, is a nice reward. But he thought it was more important to beat a great team, wherever the game was player and whatever it meant for January football. "Coach Fisher told the team this was all about being battle-tested,'' said Schwartz. "We'd rather play at home, obviously, in January, but it doesn't tilt the field totally in your favor. What helps is knowing how we can play when we come up against a really good team like Pittsburgh.'' You model after this! Good coaching, drafting, a plan in place that starts from the top. Yes, I have just the slightest man crush on Jim Schwartz. He'll be a HC soon. Young, smart, 8 years at Tenn under perhaps the best coach in football. That would make too much sense if we were to hire him. It wouldn't matter as long as VC is around though. |
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Hire some coaches that know the WCO.
[SIZE="3"][COLOR="DarkOrange"]David Culley Wide Receivers Coach [/COLOR][/SIZE] A veteran of 30 years in the coaching profession, David Culley is in his 10th season as the Eagles wide receivers coach. Under Culley's watch in 2007, Kevin Curtis became the 2nd Eagles receiver in the Andy Reid era to eclipse the 1,000-yard receiving mark (1,110), joining Terrell Owens in 2004. Additionally, Curtis, WR Reggie Brown (780), and RB Brian Westbrook (771) became the first trio in team history to rack up over 750 yards receiving in the same season. Brown finished with a career-high 61 receptions a year ago after setting the team's rookie record with 43 catches in 2005. [url=http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/CoachBios.asp?coach_id=8]Philadelphia Eagles[/url] --------------------------------------------------------------------- [COLOR="DarkOrange"][SIZE="3"]Pat Shurmur Quarterbacks Coach [/SIZE][/COLOR] One of the rising stars in the NFL's coaching ranks, Pat Shurmur is in his seventh season as the Eagles quarterbacks coach and his tenth as a member of Andy Reid's staff. In this role, the 43-year-old Shurmur has helped Donovan McNabb earn three of his five Pro Bowl berths. In 2004, McNabb turned in the most productive season of his career, establishing franchise records in QB rating (104.7), completion pct. (64.0), and passing yards (3,875). In fact, McNabb became the first quarterback in NFL history to have a season with 30-plus TD passes (31) and fewer than 10 interceptions (8). ""Pat's a very good football coach and teacher,"" said head coach Andy Reid. ""He's received a lot of attention from other teams to be a coordinator [in the last two years] that's going to happen for him."" In 2002, Shurmur earned praise for his poise displayed after McNabb and Koy Detmer went down with injuries late in the season. Down to little-used A.J. Feeley, who had not started since his junior year at Oregon, the Eagles went 4-1 down the stretch. Feeley, a 5th-round draft choice in 2001, was traded to Miami in 2004 for a 2nd-round pick in the 2005 NFL Draft. [url=http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/CoachBios.asp?coach_id=13]Philadelphia Eagles[/url] |
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IF we keep Zorn (and it seems we will right now), this is what I would do:
1. Fire Cerrato. Give Scott Pioli whatever he wants to come here. 2. Give Zorn an experienced WCO Offensive coordinator and have the OC call plays. 3. Attempt to trade: -Chris Horton (Low 1st/High 2nd rounder - No, i'm not crazy, see below*) -Jason Campbell (2nd/3rd rounder-he doesnt fit the WCO, plain and simple) -Jason Taylor (4th rounder) -Randel El (4th-6th rounder) -Rock Cartwright OR Betts (5th rounder - sorry, but we need a short yardage back. Betts or Cartwright need to go to make room.) 4. Among starters, i would CUT: -Griff -Washington -Taylor (if unable to trade) -ARE (if unable to trade) -Rock Cartwright OR Betts (if unable to trade) -Rabach -Thrash (I know, not techincally a starter) 5. Of starters eligible for FA, I would RESIGN: -DeAngelo Hall (#1 player priority. I'd give him whatever he wants to stay) -Pete Kendall (Not a long-term solution, but you cannot find a cheaper starting caliber guard on the market. -Montgomery OR Golston (or both if they are cheap) 6. In Free agency, I would acquire: -QB Jeff Garcia (He is a veteran WCO QB and can start for 1-3 years while we groom a young QB, whether that is Brennan or a draft pick.) -RB Brandon Jacobs (if his asking price is too high, then we can go with a cheaper option) - WR Bobby Engram or Devery Henderson (both should be cheap and can fill the role of a #3/#4 WR - DE Terrell Suggs (Replaces Taylor) - DT Shaun Cody (Far less expensive than Haynesworth - a good value) - OLB Carlos Dansby (Replaces Washington) 7. I would use my top draft picks to sign -Starting Center -OT who can start at LT in 1-2 years (Samuels needs to move to RT sometime soon) -OLB who can start in 1-2 years (I dont trust McIntosh) -WCO QB -Big Power RB (if we are unable to sign one in FA) ************************************************** * So why do I think we should trade Chris Horton? We are building for the future and we need draft picks. But, you may ask: [I]Horton was our best draft pick. He was the steal of the draft and a GREAT safety. He's young. Doesnt that mean he should be PART of our future? [/I] On the surface, that argument makes sense. However, Sundays game vs the Eagles made me realize something - Chris Horton is a poor mans Laron Landry. They both need to play SS to maximize their potential. We are wasting LL by making him sit 20yards back and play SS. Landry was able to do so much against Philly because he played SS while we had Shawn Springs back FS. We simply don't NEED two really good Strong Safeties. Horton has tremendous value right now. We could easily get a low first rounder or high 2nd rounder for him... a pick that could be used to address our needs at LB and along both lines. We could address the FS vacancy one of several ways: -Sign dawan Landry from the Ravens. he's a FA and no doubt would love to come here and play with his brother. -Extend/Renegotiate with Springs and move him to safety. (He has shown a reluctance to renegotiate in the past, but we may be able to make a deal that is favorable to both sides) -Develop Kareem Moore -Use a draft pick on 1st-3rd round pick on a FS. The least favorite option, to be sure. |
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^^ dont think we would get a 1st or 2nd or even a 3rd round pick for horton. i agree with you that we may have been too high on the guy after a few games as i think the SS position gets alot of chances to make tackles and plays but so far hes been solid tackling and coverage should only improve.
i really hope we dont give d hall "whatever he wants". the guy is suspect to me b/c i dont like his show boat attitude but he has played well these past 2 games, i can admit that. but hey i cant knock ya, the thread is "what would YOU do if you ran the skins . . " go skins!! |
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[quote=over the mountain;515074]^^ dont think we would get a 1st or 2nd or even a 3rd round pick for horton. i agree with you that we may have been too high on the guy after a few games as i think the SS position gets alot of chances to make tackles and plays but so far hes been solid tackling and coverage should only improve. [/quote]
I guess we disagree here. SI.com did a thing last week where they did a "re-draft" and Horton was taken before pick 25, if i remember correctly. Any team targeting a SS in the 2009 draft with a pick between 25 and 40 would trade that pick for Horton in a heartbeat, IMO. [quote=]i really hope we dont give d hall "whatever he wants". the guy is suspect to me b/c i dont like his show boat attitude but he has played well these past 2 games, i can admit that. [/quote] IMO the defense NEEDS some of that attitude. They NEED someone to get them pumped up. Marcus Washington serves that role when he plays... but he plays few and far between. |
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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;515072]IF we keep Zorn (and it seems we will right now), this is what I would do:
1. Fire Cerrato. Give Scott Pioli whatever he wants to come here. (We can all agree on that) 2. Give Zorn an experienced WCO Offensive coordinator and have the OC call plays. 3. Attempt to trade: -Chris Horton (Low 1st/High 2nd rounder - No, i'm not crazy, see below*) -Jason Campbell (2nd/3rd rounder-he doesnt fit the WCO, plain and simple) -Jason Taylor (4th rounder) -Randel El (4th-6th rounder) -Rock Cartwright OR Betts (5th rounder - sorry, but we need a short yardage back. Betts or Cartwright need to go to make room.) 4. Among starters, i would CUT: -Griff -Washington -Taylor (if unable to trade) -ARE (if unable to trade) [B]-Rock Cartwright OR Betts (if unable to trade)[/B] -Rabach [B]-Thrash (I know, not techincally a starter)[/B] 5. Of starters eligible for FA, I would RESIGN: -DeAngelo Hall (#1 player priority. I'd give him whatever he wants to stay) -Pete Kendall (Not a long-term solution, but you cannot find a cheaper starting caliber guard on the market. -Montgomery OR Golston (or both if they are cheap) 6. In Free agency, I would acquire: -QB Jeff Garcia (He is a veteran WCO QB and can start for 1-3 years while we groom a young QB, whether that is Brennan or a draft pick.) -RB Brandon Jacobs (if his asking price is too high, then we can go with a cheaper option) - WR Bobby Engram or Devery Henderson (both should be cheap and can fill the role of a #3/#4 WR - DE Terrell Suggs (Replaces Taylor) - DT Shaun Cody (Far less expensive than Haynesworth - a good value) - OLB Carlos Dansby (Replaces Washington) 7. I would use my top draft picks to sign -Starting Center -OT who can start at LT in 1-2 years (Samuels needs to move to RT sometime soon) -OLB who can start in 1-2 years (I dont trust McIntosh) -WCO QB -Big Power RB (if we are unable to sign one in FA) ************************************************** * So why do I think we should trade Chris Horton? We are building for the future and we need draft picks. But, you may ask: [I]Horton was our best draft pick. He was the steal of the draft and a GREAT safety. He's young. Doesnt that mean he should be PART of our future? [/I] On the surface, that argument makes sense. However, Sundays game vs the Eagles made me realize something - Chris Horton is a poor mans Laron Landry. They both need to play SS to maximize their potential. We are wasting LL by making him sit 20yards back and play SS. Landry was able to do so much against Philly because he played SS while we had Shawn Springs back FS. We simply don't NEED two really good Strong Safeties. Horton has tremendous value right now. We could easily get a low first rounder or high 2nd rounder for him... a pick that could be used to address our needs at LB and along both lines. We could address the FS vacancy one of several ways: -Sign dawan Landry from the Ravens. he's a FA and no doubt would love to come here and play with his brother. -Extend/Renegotiate with Springs and move him to safety. (He has shown a reluctance to renegotiate in the past, but we may be able to make a deal that is favorable to both sides) -Develop Kareem Moore -Use a draft pick on 1st-3rd round pick on a FS. The least favorite option, to be sure.[/quote] [B][U]IF[/U][/B] you trade C. Horton you're not getting a 1st or 2nd and a doubt even a 3rd given he is a rookie. The free agents I agree with execpt we dont need anymore #3 or 4 WR's. Cutting Cartright or Betts doesn't make sense, because you need three quality running backs (Giants). If I had to cut a RB it would be Cartright given that you can find a KR in the later rounds and the last time he broke one was 2 yrs ago. Good post though :food-smil |
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interesting, i didnt know about that SI re-draft. maybe we could get a late 1st or 2nd for him.
agree about needing an emotion guy on the field and that MW does bring a certain emotion to field . . . man ST was awesome at getting pumped up for games and his hits always brought a shot of energy. i remember when ST and rogers knocked these 2 players flat on their ass on a punt return and our players went banannas, i went banannas, everyone went banannas!! good stuff big hair go skins!! |
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[quote=Mattyk72;511770]Blowing the roster up isn't going to help anything. There needs to be some changes to key positions, but wholesale changes aren't going to happen for many reasons.[/quote]
Like What? please explain more. |
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[quote=vallin21;515080][B][U]IF[/U][/B] you trade C. Horton you're not getting a 1st or 2nd and a doubt even a 3rd given he is a rookie. The free agents I agree with execpt [B]we dont need anymore #3 or 4 WR's[/B]. Cutting Cartright or Betts doesn't make sense, because[B] you need three quality running backs (Giants). [/B]If I had to cut a RB it would be Cartright given that you can find a KR in the later rounds and the last time he broke one was 2 yrs ago.
Good post though :food-smil[/quote] If I were a betting man, I would be my annual salary we could get a pick in the 25-40 range for Horton. He is one of the top 5 defensive rookies of 2008. Any team in the range i mentioned above would chose Horton over a completely unproven player in the 2009 draft in a heartbeat. I would take something as low as a #50 for him, though. Having him and Landry is nice for Cobra packages, but other than that, they are redundant. Assuming Landry stays healthy, Horton has more value to us in terms of a 1st-2nd round pick than he does on the field. If we didn't have Landry, we wouldnt even be discussing this, of course. As to your statement about needing 3 quality running backs, i agree - Cartwright is not a quality running back. Every year, we go into the season with TWO quality running backs and Cartwright who is only good on special teams. We need a big running back who can play teams AND contribute on offense regularly. A backfield with Portis, Jacobs, and Betts would be very solid. In goal line and short yardage situations, we could run the big guy behind sellers and we would actually get the yardage 99% of the time. Going into next year, i'd have Devin Thomas as my #1 WR with Malcom Kelly as my #2. I'd then line up Santana Moss in the slot where he could really exploit being playing against slower corners/linebackers. Engram would be a solid #4/#2 when Kelly gets hurt. He knows the system and he would come cheap. He's a definite upgrade over Thrash and ARE. |
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i think big haired has lost his mind. half of the proposed trades would never happen. your value for most is way too high. and even if you could pull that off, the redskins would be lucky to win 5 games with a brand new roster
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we need cassel from n.e. campbell needs to go. the skill level just isn't there.
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[quote=steveb;515104]we need cassel from n.e. campbell needs to go. the skill level just isn't there.[/quote]
Is he bringing Randy Moss with him? |
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[quote=steveb;515104]we need cassel from n.e. campbell needs to go. the skill level just isn't there.[/quote]
Cassel would be just as bad in a WCO as campbell is. The system needs to go or Campbell needs to go. heck, maybe they both need to go, but they both cant stay. thats for sure. |
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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;515090]If I were a betting man, I would be my annual salary we could get a pick in the 25-40 range for Horton. He is one of the top 5 defensive rookies of 2008. Any team in the range i mentioned above would chose Horton over a completely unproven player in the 2009 draft in a heartbeat. I would take something as low as a #50 for him, though. Having him and Landry is nice for Cobra packages, but other than that, they are redundant. Assuming Landry stays healthy, Horton has more value to us in terms of a 1st-2nd round pick than he does on the field. If we didn't have Landry, we wouldnt even be discussing this, of course.
As to your statement about needing 3 quality running backs, i agree - Cartwright is not a quality running back. Every year, we go into the season with TWO quality running backs and Cartwright who is only good on special teams. We need a big running back who can play teams AND contribute on offense regularly. A backfield with Portis, Jacobs, and Betts would be very solid. In goal line and short yardage situations, we could run the big guy behind sellers and we would actually get the yardage 99% of the time. Going into next year, i'd have Devin Thomas as my #1 WR with Malcom Kelly as my #2. I'd then line up Santana Moss in the slot where he could really exploit being playing against slower corners/linebackers. Engram would be a solid #4/#2 when Kelly gets hurt. He knows the system and he would come cheap. He's a definite upgrade over Thrash and ARE.[/quote] There is absolutely, positively no way we would get a 1st or 2nd round pick for Horton. Just because Don Banks, from SI of all places, says that Horton would go in the 1st round in his redo of the draft doesn't mean that other teams are going to want to give up a valuable pick for a 7th round rookie that has only played one season. Also, why would we want to trade one of our young, up-and-coming players? |
Re: If You Ran the Redskins...
BigHairedAristocrat...
I would agree that they should look at bringing additional resources or at least re-allocating existing resources to take some responsibility off of Zorn's plate. The personnel moves you suggest however are fantasy-football. They aren't going to happen. |
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[quote=RMSkins;515113]There is absolutely, positively no way we would get a 1st or 2nd round pick for Horton. Just because Don Banks, from SI of all places, says that Horton would go in the 1st round in his redo of the draft doesn't mean that other teams are going to want to give up a valuable pick for a 7th round rookie that has only played one season. Also, why would we want to trade one of our young, up-and-coming players?[/quote]
Agree completely. It just doesn't make any sense. |
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[quote=redsk1;512632]Look what the Falcons did recently. They went after Scott Pioli GM of the Patriots. They didn't get him. What they did get was a recommendation of Thomas Demitroff his #1 guy.
Demitroff then purged Atlanta's malcontents, hired a new coach, drafted well (for only 1 year really), signed a FA or two, and look at them now. Really unbelievable. You can't expect a turnaround so quick, but the blueprints are there.[/quote]Atlanta had a lot of great pieces under Mora and Petrino. The key for them was purging the bad pieces that were keeping them down (Warrick Dunn, Joe Horn, Alge Crumpler, Demorrio Williams, some of the offensive line, etc) then finding Matt Ryan to improve the QB position (remember that Joey Harrington and Chris Redman both had career years in the same offense), and simply hoping that the pieces to the puzzle would stay healthy. They have. This is not some great or deep roster they have in Atlanta, and they're a good bet to decline next year. But they are ultra-talented on offense, and they are undoubtably one of the most dangerous teams in the entire NFC this year. They are my super bowl pick from the conference. |
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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;515072]IF we keep Zorn (and it seems we will right now), this is what I would do:
1. Fire Cerrato. Give Scott Pioli whatever he wants to come here. 2. Give Zorn an experienced WCO Offensive coordinator and have the OC call plays. 3. Attempt to trade: -Chris Horton (Low 1st/High 2nd rounder - No, i'm not crazy, see below*) -Jason Campbell (2nd/3rd rounder-he doesnt fit the WCO, plain and simple) -Jason Taylor (4th rounder) -Randel El (4th-6th rounder) -Rock Cartwright OR Betts (5th rounder - sorry, but we need a short yardage back. Betts or Cartwright need to go to make room.) 4. Among starters, i would CUT: -Griff -Washington -Taylor (if unable to trade) -ARE (if unable to trade) -Rock Cartwright OR Betts (if unable to trade) -Rabach -Thrash (I know, not techincally a starter) 5. Of starters eligible for FA, I would RESIGN: -DeAngelo Hall (#1 player priority. I'd give him whatever he wants to stay) -Pete Kendall (Not a long-term solution, but you cannot find a cheaper starting caliber guard on the market. -Montgomery OR Golston (or both if they are cheap) 6. In Free agency, I would acquire: -QB Jeff Garcia (He is a veteran WCO QB and can start for 1-3 years while we groom a young QB, whether that is Brennan or a draft pick.) -RB Brandon Jacobs (if his asking price is too high, then we can go with a cheaper option) - WR Bobby Engram or Devery Henderson (both should be cheap and can fill the role of a #3/#4 WR - DE Terrell Suggs (Replaces Taylor) - DT Shaun Cody (Far less expensive than Haynesworth - a good value) - OLB Carlos Dansby (Replaces Washington) 7. I would use my top draft picks to sign -Starting Center -OT who can start at LT in 1-2 years (Samuels needs to move to RT sometime soon) -OLB who can start in 1-2 years (I dont trust McIntosh) -WCO QB -Big Power RB (if we are unable to sign one in FA) ************************************************** * So why do I think we should trade Chris Horton? We are building for the future and we need draft picks. But, you may ask: [I]Horton was our best draft pick. He was the steal of the draft and a GREAT safety. He's young. Doesnt that mean he should be PART of our future? [/I] On the surface, that argument makes sense. However, Sundays game vs the Eagles made me realize something - Chris Horton is a poor mans Laron Landry. They both need to play SS to maximize their potential. We are wasting LL by making him sit 20yards back and play SS. Landry was able to do so much against Philly because he played SS while we had Shawn Springs back FS. We simply don't NEED two really good Strong Safeties. Horton has tremendous value right now. We could easily get a low first rounder or high 2nd rounder for him... a pick that could be used to address our needs at LB and along both lines. We could address the FS vacancy one of several ways: -Sign dawan Landry from the Ravens. he's a FA and no doubt would love to come here and play with his brother. -Extend/Renegotiate with Springs and move him to safety. (He has shown a reluctance to renegotiate in the past, but we may be able to make a deal that is favorable to both sides) -Develop Kareem Moore -Use a draft pick on 1st-3rd round pick on a FS. The least favorite option, to be sure.[/quote]I think you're dead wrong on Campbell vs. the WCO, and obviously trading our franchise QB doesn't help improve the team, puls we wouldn't get anything for him right now because teams like to draft their own QBs. I also think Dawan Landry has a similar skill set to LaRon, for all the obvious reasons. I don't disagree with your Horton assessment, but I'm not sure what the problem is with having two similar safeties. Other than that, solid, well-thought out and explained, post. |
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[quote=GTripp0012;515196]I think you're dead wrong on Campbell vs. the WCO, and obviously trading our franchise QB doesn't help improve the team, puls we wouldn't get anything for him right now because teams like to draft their own QBs.
I also think Dawan Landry has a similar skill set to LaRon, for all the obvious reasons. I don't disagree with your Horton assessment, but I'm not sure what the problem is with having two similar safeties. Other than that, solid, well-thought out and explained, post.[/quote] Franchise QB my ass!!!!!! The guy is average tops, and Snyder knows it. Why do you think he is waiting on giving him an extension? If he was the franchise guy, don't you think he would have gotten a deal by now? |
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[quote=GusFrerotte;515212]Franchise QB my ass!!!!!! The guy is average tops, and Snyder knows it. Why do you think he is waiting on giving him an extension? If he was the franchise guy, don't you think he would have gotten a deal by now?[/quote]No, we're in the middle of a season, and he's got a year remaining.
Your love of the Skins pales in comparison to your desire to see Jason Campbell fail. If only we could win a bunch of playoff games while Jason Campbell underachieved, instead of the other way around. You'd be as happy as a pig in mud! |
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If I ran the Redskins I'd love to have Jerry Hughes (DE) from TCU. Wow. He leads the nation in sacks and is having a helluva ball game vs. Boise State tonight.
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[quote=SmootSmack;510176]What steps would you take between now and opening day 2009 to improve this team?
[/quote] I would introduce them to 10 Individuals who live in the DC Metro area and who are die-hard skins fans... We will then give Dan Snyder $1k each... And yell, scream, and curse at EVERY member of the Redskins organization for 1 hour per IMPORTANT person/player... ... |
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[quote=PurpEagle_AUTiger;515486]I would introduce them to 10 Individuals who live in the DC Metro area and who are die-hard skins fans...
We will then give Dan Snyder $1k each... And yell, scream, and curse at EVERY member of the Redskins organization for 1 hour per IMPORTANT person/player... ...[/quote] This is probably one of the greatest ideas that I have ever heard. |
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[quote=PurpEagle_AUTiger;515486]I would introduce them to 10 Individuals who live in the DC Metro area and who are die-hard skins fans...
We will then give Dan Snyder $1k each... And yell, scream, and curse at EVERY member of the Redskins organization for 1 hour per IMPORTANT person/player... ...[/quote] Ok, so after your little crybaby display, what would you do to actually fix the problems? |
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