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How many QB's have we give up on in the first few years and they left to be successful on other teams? Frerotte-Green......Campbell?????

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[quote=REDSKIN1;525624]I disagree, I don't think Jason has been given ample time to prove his worth. This will only be his third season as the starter and the first time in a system where someone isn't changing the playbook and trying to change the way he drops back and throws the ball. You have to take in consideration the fact that Jim Zorn came in and not only changed the playbook but also the way he wanted Jason to play the position. I think that this year he will show marked improvement.[/quote]

I agree, but a lot of people don't want to hear stuff like that. They want results yesterday and have become so accustomed to change at the QB spot it just doesn't feel right to stick with one guy for more than a couple of seasons.

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[quote=GTripp0012;525574]Don't worry about the article. Wilson's source is Michael Lombardi, who had graded Andrew Walter out higher than Jason Campbell when he worked for the Raiders in 2005.

That's pretty much all you need to know about that one.[/quote]

Well that's not the craziest evalutation in terms of scouting. I mean JC is hands down better then Walter on his worst day in the pro's then Walter is on his best day. However you have to remember that Walter was thought to be a lock for the first round before the 2004 college football season began so I can concieve the possibility that a scout might have graded a guy like Walter over Campbell who at the time was projected to go to the Browns in the early 2nd (Campbell that is) while Walter was flirting with the possibility of being a late second round pick.

[quote=SmootSmack;525527]When, and if, Davis, Kelly, and Thomas come around I wonder what sort of effect that would have on Campbell.

I wonder what it's like for a 6'5" guy to throw to 6'3" guys versus 5'10 guys[/quote]


Grrrrr more Upside talk, but at least it's concerning 2nd round picks and not some obscure 7th round pick that's going to save our D-Line.

The great thing though about player development, when it works, is that it ends up looking like you got brand new players in the offseason. However unless we get an O-line then the effect those three have on the offense is going to be limited :D. That is unless JC can summon the Ben Rothesberger in him and extend plays like Big Ben which ironically wouldn't be the worse thing if we end up not getting any new big uglies this offseason, which with Vinny at the healm is a distinct possibilty.

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[quote=Mattyk72;525626]I agree, but a lot of people don't want to hear stuff like that. They want results yesterday and have become so accustomed to change at the QB spot it just doesn't feel right to stick with one guy for more than a couple of seasons.[/quote]

Well said. Also worth noting we haven't really had someone who could develop a QB the way Zorn has proven he can. I've got relative confidence in Jason's natural abilities and talent, i've got near total confidence in Zorn's ability to develop his QB.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;525627]

The great thing though about player development, when it works, is that it ends up looking like you got brand new players in the offseason. However unless we get an O-line then the effect those three have on the offense is going to be limited :D. That is unless JC can summon the Ben Rothesberger in him and extend plays like Big Ben which ironically wouldn't be the worse thing [B]if we end up not getting any new big uglies this offseason, which with Vinny at the healm is a distinct possibilty.[/B][/quote]

Don't say that man... don't even think like that.

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[quote=GTripp0012;525574]Don't worry about the article. Wilson's source is Michael Lombardi, who had graded Andrew Walter out higher than Jason Campbell when he worked for the Raiders in 2005.

That's pretty much all you need to know about that one.[/quote]

Not sure if you know this or not but Andrew Walter is the all time leading passer in Pac Ten history. That's a pretty strong resume considering some of the QB's that have played in the Pac Ten. He had a way better college career than JC did. Lombardi knows his stuff and coming out of college I could've easily saw why people had Walter graded higher than JC.

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[quote=skinsfan69;525640]Not sure if you know this or not but Andrew Walter is the all time leading passer in Pac Ten history. That's a pretty strong resume considering some of the QB's that have played in the Pac Ten. He had a way better college career than JC did. Lombardi knows his stuff and coming out of college I could've easily saw why people had Walter graded higher than JC.[/quote]Off the top of my head, I did not know that, but I remember hearing it from multiple sources.

Most draft analysts did have them ranked together as second round prospects, but the league guys did seem to convincingly prefer Campbell to Walter. Lombardi's opinion seems to be in the vast minority here.

Also, using hindsight, totally incorrect. My problem is more how he's posturing this today, as opposed to objectively grading Campbell, he seems to be hoping that he fails so he doesn't have to explain his evaluation of the two guys in the future. Not dissimilar to the reason I dislike Blache. Being wrong is one thing. Lombardi should just admit it, move on, forget about it. Don't let it affect his evaluations in the future.

But I can see, statistically, how Walter and Campbell actually had similar draft profiles (and how Walter was significantly more productive at the same level), in context of conference. Good point.

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If I remember correctly ( and maybe someone can confirm this) the only reason Walter fell in the draft was because he had a shoulder injury his senior year. Otherwise he would've been a high first round draft pick.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;525523]Zorn was specifically brought in to develop JC; he only got the HC job because no one else (other than Fassel) wanted it. So the assumption is he would be let go if Campbell failed. If Zorn really beleives he can mold Campbell into the next Matt Hasslebeck, then his fate is tied to Campbells and this is his make or break year as coach. If Campbell succeeds, Zorn will stay. If he doesnt, theyre both gone.

On the other hand, Zorn is in a very tough situation if he doesnt believe in Campbell. At the end of a failed 2009 season, he cant get away with saying "well, i gave it two years, and Campbell didnt work out. now let me use my own guy." Snyder is not that patient. On the flip side, its hard to "give up" on Campbell after just one year in the WCO, considering all the FO invested into drafting Campbell in the first place.

So in the end, Zorn really has only two options if he wants a third year:

1) Work his magic with Campbell and turn him in to a pro-bowl caliber WCO QB by the end of this season; thereby letting the FO know Campbell is the franchise QB and that Zorn succeeded where most said he would fail; OR

2) Convince the FO sometime between now and the beginning of the season that his system works, but Campbell is going to hold it back: Hes a good QB, but isnt adapting in the system. The fans love Brennan and he's the kind of QB Snyder would love - he'd sell jerseys... but hes just not ready yet. So in that scenario, the FO must make the decision on what to do with Campbell.
(a) If they decide to keep him, Zorn can always say "i told you so" at the end of the season if Campbell doesnt work out (in a very nice way, of course). With Brennan primed and ready to go, Zorns got himself his third year.
(b)If they trade Campbell and start someone else in 2009, Zorns still essentially bought himself a 3rd year reguardless of how the team does in 2009, with Brennan as the starter in 2010.[/quote]

Zorn was brought here as offensive coordinator not QB coach. As an ex QB he would of course work with JC but its a myth that he was brought here specificall to work with JC. JC just doesnt see the field good enough to ever be more that a borderline NFL QB.

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[quote=Mattyk72;525626]I agree, but a lot of people don't want to hear stuff like that. They want results yesterday and have become so accustomed to change at the QB spot it just doesn't feel right to stick with one guy for more than a couple of seasons.[/quote]

JC has been in the NFL what 5 years and a starter for 2. I'm tired of hearing all this different system stuff. He had more time in Zorn system than Flacco and Ryan (both true rookies) had in theirs. JC has had plenty of time, the best the Skins can hope for is that he will improve a little next year but to expect him to be a pro bowler in 4 years is unrealistic, he will never develop to that level.

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[quote=irish;525738]Zorn was brought here as offensive coordinator not QB coach. As an ex QB he would of course work with JC but its a myth that he was brought here specificall to work with JC. [B]JC just doesnt see the field good enough to ever be more that a borderline NFL QB.[/B][/quote]Yes, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's still total bullshit that you would say this.

You have no idea if this is true. It's just the only thing you cling to in the hopes that you might be right about Campbell.

I actually think seeing the field is one of his biggest strengths. But what do I know, I've only looked at every play this season twice plus. Clearly, your shot-in-the-dark assumptions are more accurate than this.

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[quote=irish;525738]Zorn was brought here as offensive coordinator not QB coach. As an ex QB he would of course work with JC but its a myth that he was brought here specificall to work with JC. [B] JC just doesnt see the field good enough to ever be more that a borderline NFL QB[/B].[/quote]

How can people say this? I watched every game this year, but I wouldn't assume Portis took the wrong hole, or that the W Receivers weren't getting open, or that Jason Campbell cannot read the field. The reason: BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL WE KNOW.

How can you tell that kind of thing from a broadcast on T.V. anyways? Your never able to see the whole field to begin with.

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[quote=Bushead;525746]How can people say this? I watched every game this year, but I wouldn't assume Portis took the wrong hole, or that the W Receivers weren't getting open, or that Jason Campbell cannot read the field. The reason: BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL WE KNOW.

How can you tell that kind of thing from a broadcast on T.V. anyways? Your never able to see the whole field to begin with.[/quote]Well, if the point of posting is to say that Jason Campbell is bad, you're not going to point to something that actually happens, obviously. You have to sound convincing without actually knowing what you are talking about.

Geez.

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Well maybe if Zorn did'nt have JC bend his knees he could see the field better! :laughing- This stuff about Campbell is getting [B]ridiculously[/B] funny. :doh:

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[quote=53Fan;525750]Well maybe if Zorn did'nt have JC bend his knees he could see the field better! :laughing- This stuff about Campbell is getting [B]ridiculously[/B] funny. :doh:[/quote]
:lol: the JC bashing is crazy.

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It really is getting insane Sammy.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;525548]Jason Campbell is not a borderline pro bowler. He never will be. This offense will have to be built from the ground up in every area too finally get our offense moving. He generates absolutley nothing. He's going to be a passable NFL quarterback who relies way too much on the checkdown and is very athletic, he does not have potential either, well just do better and put up more points with a good oline Campbell isn't going to have great strides ever. He's been in the league for three years, showed us the exact same game he showed in college, he can be a decent QB and can win, but he is not a pro bowler and never will be. [B]The whole league[/B] has this feeling that he has all the tools but they're taking a wait and see approach to lead a team, unfortunately there isn't much left to know about him. He's one of those guys the league is always basing his performance of expectatiosn and potential rather then just simply what it is, he's a decent QB he can be our starting QB but there's a lot of better ones out there.[/quote]
I wish I had the sources you have around the "whole league". As most of the JC bashers, your analysis isn't based on any logic, stats or football knowledge. It's just a bunch of the same negative buzz-words/phrases parroted by those who want to be able to say "I told you so" when Campbell struggles. But, you same guys are going to be nowhere to be found when Campbell raises his QB rating into the 90s if we solidify the OL.

Here's the bottom line, as the OL goes, so goes any offense. If an OL struggles I don't care who is at QB, they will struggle. Peyton Manning struggled early in the year with the OL injuries in Indy. To those saying JC doesn't have the [B]potential[/B] to be a borderline Pro Bowler, still haven't seen a valid dispute to his Pro Bowl level numbers early in the year.

To your Portis comment: see above, Portis is nowhere near the best RB in the league. He is very good, very solid, but his YPC went drastically south (just like any RBs would) when the OL broke down.

To your Moss comment: If you check, Moss was targeted more than any other Skins WR this year, so he's getting the looks. I also said the Skins WR [B]corps [/B]was[B] below average.[/B] This is an accurate statement. Here are the teams with better WRs than the Skins:

Giants, Cowboys, Panthers, Falcons, Bucs, Saints, Packers, Lions, Rams, Cards, Chargers, Broncos, Pats, Colts, Texans, Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, Browns.

These are debatable: Titans, Jets, Vikes, Eagles

That puts us as below average. Moss is not a dominant # 1 receiver. ARE is a 3rd WR at best and the rest are either unproductive rookies or career backups.

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[quote=53Fan;525761]It really is getting insane Sammy.[/quote]
It's like the bashers are blinded to anything productive JC has done and they completely ignore the other issues we had this year. I know I'll get the "JC savior crowd is blinded to anything negative JC does", but it really is frustrating to make reasonable arguments and get the same baseless responses.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;525767]It's like the bashers are blinded to anything productive JC has done and they completely ignore the other issues we had this year. I know I'll get the "JC savior crowd is blinded to anything negative JC does", [B]but it really is frustrating to make reasonable arguments and get the same baseless responses.[/B][/quote]I think it's even more fundamental than that. There are people in the world who can't see the difference between a good argument and a bad one. They just all look the same to them. There are people who will say "Campbell is good because I want him to be good" and others who say "Campbell is good because he continues to improve in QB rating" and these arguments look the same to people: things they disagree with.

I'm really inclined to say it's more of a product of the type of media they've been exposed to than anything, but I know some people personally who definately suffer from the inability to see a bad argument...even when it's most obvious to me.

I still love my mother though :grouphug:

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[quote=irish;525739]JC has been in the NFL what 5 years and a starter for 2. I'm tired of hearing all this different system stuff. He had more time in Zorn system than Flacco and Ryan (both true rookies) had in theirs. JC has had plenty of time, the best the Skins can hope for is that he will improve a little next year but to expect him to be a pro bowler in 4 years is unrealistic, he will never develop to that level.[/quote]

Ryan: 16 TDs, 11 INTs, 87.7 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 1-4

Flacco: 14 TDs, 12 INTs, 80.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 0-3

Campbell: 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 84.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 4-2

So it's not like these guys were sooo much better than Campbell

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[quote=SmootSmack;525792]Ryan: 16 TDs, 11 INTs, 87.7 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 1-4

Flacco: 14 TDs, 12 INTs, 80.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 0-3

Campbell: 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 84.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 4-2

So it's not like these guys were sooo much better than Campbell[/quote]

Sorry but yes he is the worst. And all these other QB are far superior to JC. Also our owner and GM suck and are the worst in the NFL.

I wish we had Jerry Jones as our owner
And I wish Romo was our QB especially for big game situations.

Oh and Zorn sucks he was lucky to go 8-8 his first season. Someone must have been helping him because Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first season with Dallas and we know he's a winner.

If we don't fire Zorn and Vinny. If we don't dump JC. And trade ARE. Cut JT. And start Colt in 09. Then I'm becoming a Cowboys fan!

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[quote=44ever;525796]Sorry but yes he is the worst. And all these other QB are far superior to JC. Also our owner and GM suck and are the worst in the NFL.

I wish we had Jerry Jones as our owner
[B]And I wish Romo was our QB especially for big game situations.[/B]

Oh and Zorn sucks he was lucky to go 8-8 his first season. Someone must have been helping him because Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first season with Dallas and we know he's a winner.

[B]If we don't fire Zorn and Vinny. If we don't dump JC. And trade ARE. Cut JT. And start Colt in 09. Then I'm becoming a Cowboys fan[/B]![/quote]
what big game has Romo ever won? and hello to a new cowboys fan, because all of that stuff isnt happening

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People are taking you seriously 44. Maybe going 8-8 was a [B]team [/B]effort?

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[quote=53Fan;525814]People are taking you seriously 44. Maybe going 8-8 was a [B]team [/B]effort?[/quote]

Sorry guys:) I just couldn't resist. Dmek I was joking. I just can't help but make a mockery of some of the things said sometimes. I respect them but after 100,000 post of the same old it's, well you know.



The lithium is working 53 thanks. Continue everyone.

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[quote=44ever;525796]Sorry but yes he is the worst. And all these other QB are far superior to JC. Also our owner and GM suck and are the worst in the NFL.

I wish we had Jerry Jones as our owner
And I wish Romo was our QB especially for big game situations.

Oh and Zorn sucks he was lucky to go 8-8 his first season. Someone must have been helping him because Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first season with Dallas and we know he's a winner.

If we don't fire Zorn and Vinny. If we don't dump JC. And trade ARE. Cut JT. And start Colt in 09. Then I'm becoming a Cowboys fan![/quote]

For those that can't tell, 44ever is joking here. Although I can't resist to add more comments like it (hehehe):

*Any time a new team hires a GM*
"Why couldn't we have hired this guy? Fire Vinny!"
"This guy (hired GM) wouldn't work for Snyder, no one wants to work for Snyder"

*Mindless front office bashing*
"The Redskins are in as big of a mess as the Cowboys"
"Snyder is just like Jerry Jones and he's destroying the team"
"Vinny and Snyder will f things up again and go after some big time free agent who's going to be a bust"

*And my favorite, pinning the fault of our 8-8 season on ONE thing only*
"JC sucks, he needs to be traded, he is the reason why we lost"
"Fire Blache, we need a new defense, they are the reason we lost"
"JC sucks, start Colt Brennan"
"Our defense is terrible, screw that #4 ranking, that doesn't mean sh!t"

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[quote=Ruhskins;525833]For those that can't tell, 44ever is joking here. Although I can't resist to add more comments like it (hehehe):

*Any time a new team hires a GM*
"Why couldn't we have hired this guy? Fire Vinny!"
"This guy (hired GM) wouldn't work for Snyder, no one wants to work for Snyder"

*Mindless front office bashing*
"The Redskins are in as big of a mess as the Cowboys"
"Snyder is just like Jerry Jones and he's destroying the team"
"Vinny and Snyder will f things up again and go after some big time free agent who's going to be a bust"

*And my favorite, pinning the fault of our 8-8 season on ONE thing only*
"JC sucks, he needs to be traded, he is the reason why we lost"
"Fire Blache, we need a new defense, they are the reason we lost"
"JC sucks, start Colt Brennan"
"Our defense is terrible, screw that #4 ranking, that doesn't mean sh!t"[/quote]

Note: The preceding statements and material have no copyright. Please feel free to copy and paste any time the need to bash your team arises.

Ruhskin44&Co.

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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[quote=44ever;525865]....[/quote]

Nice post 44. Very thoughtful, insightful,...cutting edge type of stuff. Though I disagree with point #2, and I quote, ".",....I can understand how you would come to that conclusion.

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[quote=53Fan;525882]Nice post 44. Very thoughtful, insightful,...cutting edge type of stuff. Though I disagree with point #2, and I quote, ".",....I can understand how you would come to that conclusion.[/quote]

Just trying to get my point across. Not sure what happened actually. But I'm glad you where able to make sence of some of it :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;525792]Ryan: 16 TDs, 11 INTs, 87.7 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 1-4

Flacco: 14 TDs, 12 INTs, 80.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 0-3

Campbell: 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 84.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 4-2

So it's not like these guys were sooo much better than Campbell[/quote]

Stats are nice and JCs stats compare well but now Flacco & Ryan have taken their teams to the playoffs and won. JC hasnt taken his team anywhere. I think when you look at the talent all three have to work with that JC has the most and still cant score or get the team over the hump. Right now Flacco & Ryan are way ahead of JC on the development scale and JC has a bunch more years in the league than they do.

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[quote=GTripp0012;525744]Yes, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's still total bullshit that you would say this.

You have no idea if this is true. It's just the only thing you cling to in the hopes that you might be right about Campbell.

I actually think seeing the field is one of his biggest strengths. But what do I know, I've only looked at every play this season twice plus. Clearly, your shot-in-the-dark assumptions are more accurate than this.[/quote]

I am clinging to my views of JC like you are. Its common knowledge & discussion that JC locks on to receivers and from what I know a QB does that because he cant see the field well to look off a receiver and come back to him.

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[quote=irish;525885]Stats are nice and JCs stats compare well but now Flacco & Ryan have taken their teams to the playoffs and won. JC hasnt taken his team anywhere. I think when you look at the talent all three have to work with that JC has the most and still cant score or get the team over the hump. Right now Flacco & Ryan are way ahead of JC on the development scale and JC has a bunch more years in the league than they do.[/quote]

I see what you're saying but

-I would argue that Matt Ryan may actually have as much talent, and he didn't win in the playoffs

-I would also argue that the Ravens took Flacco took to the playoffs, not the other way around

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[quote=SmootSmack;525887]I see what you're saying but

-I would argue that Matt Ryan may actually have as much talent, and he didn't win in the playoffs

[I][B]-I would also argue that the Ravens took Flacco took to the playoffs, not the other way around[/B][/I][/quote]

Exactly. It always seems like Flacco's stats are something like 11/27, 114 yards, 1 INT. He typically didn't lose the game for them, but he damn sure didn't win it.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;525888]Exactly. It always seems like Flacco's stats are something like 11/27, 114 yards, 1 INT. He typically didn't lose the game for them, but he damn sure didn't win it.[/quote]

It was kind of a Trent Dilfer type contribution. I'm sure JC would of been in the playoffs too if he played for the Ravens.

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[quote=irish;525886]I am clinging to my views of JC like you are. [B] Its common knowledge & discussion that JC locks on to receivers[/B] and from what I know a QB does that because he cant see the field well to look off a receiver and come back to him.[/quote]It's not common knowledge. You either made it up or heard it from someone that made it up. Either way, since you didn't cite a source, you're endorsing the lack of knowledge.

If the source is an unqualified friend or co-worker, then you're probably better off not citing it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;525890]It's not common knowledge. You either made it up or heard it from someone that made it up. Either way, since you didn't cite a source, you're endorsing the lack of knowledge.

If the source is an unqualified friend or co-worker, then you're probably better off not citing it.[/quote]

I guess me, my fan friends, and most media i read/hear who say he does lock on to receivers are as expert as you and yours who say he doesnt.

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[quote=SmootSmack;525887]I see what you're saying but

-I would argue that Matt Ryan may actually have as much talent, and he didn't win in the playoffs

-I would also argue that the Ravens took Flacco took to the playoffs, not the other way around[/quote]

You seem to dismiss that Flacco & Ryan could have gone in and screwed up but they didnt. Had they screwed up their teams wouldnt have made the playoffs.

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[quote=SmootSmack;525887]I see what you're saying but

-I would also argue that the Ravens took Flacco took to the playoffs, not the other way around[/quote]

Nice perspective on Flacco

If JC has a concerning weakness it may be the inability to sense pressure. But I'm still not completly convinsed of this yet. It could be other contributing factors.

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I dont get the disagreement that JC has a tendancy to lock onto receivers? It was mentioned in his profile prior to the 2005 NFL draft (although this is not uncommon in college QBs), its been mentioned in the media countless times as one of his tendancies, and its blatantly obvious when watching games on TV that he does it quite a bit. its not hard to see - its not like hes sneaky about it: you see his entire head pointed at the guy hes going to throw to during the receivers entire route.

This isnt a tangible statistic where someone can say "Jason campbell does it x% while some other QB does it y%... but its an obvious problem that has plagued him most of his career. Some can make excuses (perhaps even legitimate ones) that he stares down his receivers because: 1) he doesnt trust them to run their routes, and 2) he's had to learn so many new systems he's never comfortable with the one he's in - but theres no denying that the tendancy itself exists.