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[quote=SmootSmack;536378]You 100% sure on that?[/quote]If I'm wrong, it's because I'm totally unaware of a technicality that would allow a voided contract to become eligible for the compensatory pick system. But that doesn't make sense to me.

More than possible, I suppose.

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[quote=GTripp0012;536369]Agreed. Congrats on post # 500.[/quote]

Thanks!

[quote=GTripp0012;536383]If I'm wrong, it's because I'm totally unaware of a technicality that would allow a voided contract to become eligible for the compensatory pick system. But that doesn't make sense to me.

More than possible, I suppose.[/quote]

Intuitively, what you said makes sense. If you're wrong, it would be a rather strange "loophole." We didnt draft him. We didnt trade for him. We essentially cut him before his original contract expired because we didnt want him. Why should we get anything for his departure?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;536338]we didnt just get 3 guys in free agency - we got 3 STARTERS, and two of them are pro-bowlers. We also have resigned or tendered several players who were key contributors, if not starters, on our roster last year. You only look at the guys we brought in from outside and Hall - but you ignore that we resigned/tendered Albright, Doughty, Fincher, Montgommery, and Golston. We still may bring back Daniels and Washington. Free agency is not over.

[B]As it stands right now, our 2009 starting roster is already signifcantly upgraded on both sides of the ball.[/B] And we still have the draft which includes the 13th overall pick in the draft. If we stay at 13, we've got another instant starter and possibly a pro-bowler. If we trade down, well use the pick on at least two players who have starting potential in 2009. Do we still have needs? yes. Will we still have needs even after the draft? Yes. But this is the same situation with every team in football. We are a better team now than we were last year and weve narrowed the gap between the talent on our team and the 2008 NFC-East champion Giants. I'm very happy about where our team is now in relation to where it was a year ago and anyone who thinks differently is going to have a hard time proving their case.

You say we have no draft picks, but we have 4 and will probably get a 7th round compensatory pick for losing Brunell last year.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Really, who is our starting Sam? Who are our starting offensive Tackles? Who is our starting RG if Thomas cannot bounce back? Who is going to start at RE?[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Sure, we replaced our LG with Dockery, but that wasn't a concern. Kendall would have re signed and he wasn't the weak link last season.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]OK, we kept Hall, but even if we couldn't have, we still had Springs. That was not a position of need.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Albert Haynesworth was the only player added to the roster that filled a specific need or made a position better.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]We have more holes than we have draft picks. If you truly believe that most late, day 2, picks are nothing more than camp bodies, then you should realize that our four picks are not going to address half of the needs that we have. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I understand that FA isn't over, but not knowing what is going through the FO's mind scares the crap out of me. It makes me ask the question every day "Are they going to address these needs or are we going to go into camp lacking?". You may wonder why I feel that way, but remember what happened 2 years ago before they addressed the LG position with Kendall. They tried to use Wade as a LG...Scary! Will they try some bogus crap this year as well?[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[quote=SmootSmack;536250]I hear what you're saying, but we only need to do a lot more if we're planning on winning it all this year. And yes, we'd all like that but to FRPLG's point maybe the fans should think more long term as opposed to the immediate here and now.[/quote]
?????? Wll Sir, that is just NOT the American Way...

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[quote=Angry;536572][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Really, who is our starting Sam? Who are our starting offensive Tackles? Who is our starting RG if Thomas cannot bounce back? Who is going to start at RE?[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Sure, we replaced our LG with Dockery, but that wasn't a concern. Kendall would have re signed and he wasn't the weak link last season.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]OK, we kept Hall, but even if we couldn't have, we still had Springs. That was not a position of need.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Albert Haynesworth was the only player added to the roster that filled a specific need or made a position better.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]We have more holes than we have draft picks. If you truly believe that most late, day 2, picks are nothing more than camp bodies, then you should realize that our four picks are not going to address half of the needs that we have. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I understand that FA isn't over, but not knowing what is going through the FO's mind scares the crap out of me. It makes me ask the question every day "Are they going to address these needs or are we going to go into camp lacking?". You may wonder why I feel that way, but remember what happened 2 years ago before they addressed the LG position with Kendall. They tried to use Wade as a LG...Scary! Will they try some bogus crap this year as well?[/FONT][/COLOR]
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I didnt say all our problems were solved - I just said we we have already significantly upgraded our roster from last year. You cant fix every single hole a team has overnight. Every team in the NFL has multiple needs right now and the majority of those teams will go into cap still having "holes" somewhere on the roster. Even the Pats, Giants, and Steelers have holes on their rosters. its the same every year, for every team.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;536644]I didnt say all our problems were solved - I just said we we have already significantly upgraded our roster from last year. You cant fix every single hole a team has overnight. Every team in the NFL has multiple needs right now and the majority of those teams will go into cap still having "holes" somewhere on the roster. Even the Pats, Giants, and Steelers have holes on their rosters. its the same every year, for every team.[/quote]

All I'm saying is thay there were starting calliber FA's available in each position of need this offseason, and we haven't fixed anything yet. I understand letting the market cool down if that is what they are doing however, by the end the draft and FA the front office should have a man in every position that either has started somewhere else or has the potential based on a high draft position. Failure to do so is neglect of the "Total Team Concecpt".

I am not saying that another guy cannot unseat the guy who has started before. That just makes us better.

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[quote=Angry;536674]All I'm saying is thay there were starting calliber FA's available in each position of need this offseason, and we haven't fixed anything yet. I understand letting the market cool down if that is what they are doing however, by the end the draft and FA the front office should have a man in every position that either has started somewhere else or has the potential based on a high draft position. Failure to do so is neglect of the "Total Team Concecpt".

I am not saying that another guy cannot unseat the guy who has started before. That just makes us better.[/quote]

... I can't believe i'm gonna defend the FO, it really must be Friday the 13th.

First of all, DE will be just fine by the start of OTAs. If we don't sign Daniels there will be other serviceable LDEs available following the draft, although I would prefer Daniels run-stopping. Also Carter can switch over from time to time (he can go every down cuz he's a physical specimen) and then we bring in Wilson @ RDE. Personally i think this will yield the best pass rush results.

OT will be easy to address in FA, especially after all the draft talent is added to other teams rosters. Like GTripp said the top four guys could well be gone by 13 so I'm not very hopefull we address RT in the draft but it's just fine... we have the cap room to sign an [I]upgrade[/I] at the position over Jansen/Heyer. Again, no biggie.

The trouble spot IMO is OLB. There isn't much talent in FA worth paying. I'd like Marcus back but of course we know he won't stay healthy all season. This is the position I believe we must address through the draft... should be our first pick whether we stay @ 13 or trade back.

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[quote=Angry;536674]All I'm saying is thay there were starting calliber FA's available in each position of need this offseason, and we haven't fixed anything yet. I understand letting the market cool down if that is what they are doing however, by the end the draft and FA the front office should have a man in every position that either has started somewhere else or has the potential based on a high draft position. Failure to do so is neglect of the "Total Team Concecpt".

I am not saying that another guy cannot unseat the guy who has started before. That just makes us better.[/quote]

We haven't fixed anything yet? So you don't believe our D-line is better today than it was at the end of the season? You don't we're better on the O-line today than it was at the end of the season? What was 'broken' and who would you have 'fixed' it with that would have been satisfactory to you?

Every teams have holes and open positions, it's not time to head to training camp yet. That's what the draft is for. That's what the '2nd round' of free agency is for. If we come away from the draft with a starter at DE or LB in the 1st round and we draft someone who can potentially start at RT in the 3rd round doesn't that fill 2 holes? If we bring Daniels back (depending on what we do in the draft) doesn't that fill a hole?

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

I think we keep MK and DT until at least year 3 and probably their whole rookie deal.

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[quote]Paintrain;536680]We haven't fixed anything yet? [B]So you don't believe our D-line is better today than it was at the end of the season?[/B] [B]You don't we're better on the O-line today than it was at the end of the season?[/B] [B]What was 'broken' and who would you have 'fixed' it with that would have been satisfactory to you?[/B][/quote]

Better yes, complete...no, we run a 4-3 not a 3-4. And there has to be another DE in there somewhere.

No because we just replaced a Good LG with another good LG.

The holes that we have at OT, DE, OLB, RG, and if you want to get nit picky Punter and Kicker.


[quote]Every teams have holes and open positions, it's not time to head to training camp yet. That's what the draft is for. That's what the '2nd round' of free agency is for. If we come away from the draft with a starter at DE or LB in the 1st round and we draft someone who can potentially start at RT in the 3rd round doesn't that fill 2 holes? If we bring Daniels back (depending on what we do in the draft) doesn't that fill a hole[/quote]


I got it, thanks for the insight. I am going back to being a dumbass now! Dee DEE DEE!

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for all you bloggers who like to start your own thread.....

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/13/rams-release-wr-holt/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Rams part ways with WR Holt «[/url]

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Bet he takes a hometown discount and signs with Carolina next week.

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Here's another one. ...

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/13/ravens-rolle-says-hell-be-released-next-week/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Ravens’ Rolle says he’ll be released next week «[/url]

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I wonder what the Torry Holt price tag is going to be? Probably pretty high.

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[quote=Angry;536698]Better yes, complete...no, [b]we run a 4-3 not a 3-4. And there has to be another DE in there somewhere.[/b]

No because we just replaced a Good LG with another good LG.

The holes that we have at OT, DE, OLB, RG, and if you want to get nit picky Punter and Kicker.

[b]I got it, thanks for the insight. I am going back to being a dumbass now! Dee DEE DEE![/b][/quote]
Maybe you don't get it. As of March 13th, you're 100% correct, we are short one DE and one LB. The point is, are we starting training camp tomorrow? Has the window closed on us being able to secure a DE & LB thru the draft or FA?

If you don't think that Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall I guess we're watching different football. Dockery is much more athletic, much younger and a much better drive blocker.

We don't have a hole at OT, some would like an upgrade. We don't have a hole at RG, some would like an upgrade. We don't have a hole at K, some would like an upgrade. We just signed a veteran punter a week ago. Is he a pro bowler? Nope, but he's been effective kicking in the division before.

As I asked before, who would you have brilliantly filled all of our holes with this offseason?

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[quote=Bill B;535570]OK - lets say the Skins get the same type of production out of Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly this year as they did last. At some point potential has to turn into production and if these two have similar seasons like they did last year how much longer do you keep them on the roster? I know many say WR's need a couple of seasons to develop so I am curious as to how long do the Skins wait for them to produce - 2 years, 3 years, 4 or more?[/quote]

why have the Skins kept Antwaan Randle-El for so long???..he runs in circles on Punt Returns and can't seperate from anyone as a receiver..you advocate cutting receivers..cut one that has no game at all before you cut two second year players because of the lack of nothing better to discuss

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I keep them 2 years at the most. They need to learn the speed of the game, and being in the same offense (hopefully) will help them. With that said, both will have to stay healthy to contribute (especially Kelly). I expect big things from them this year, which is why I don't get why people want a declining Holt, when they have only been on the team for a year.

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you don't

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[B]FOREVER[/B] See they are going to be the second coming. No one wants to explore looking into picking up a Vet in FA cause some want these two to shine. but they have no plan in case they don't.

Don't get me wrong I think both will be special in this league and will do great things. My only concern is I don't think it will be with us. Why? cause some are already wanting to can them, others think this yr they will break it out and my doubts are more towards the WR's coach. He has done nothing with WR's since he's been here but for some reason this yr he's going to decide to step it up and develope two WR's. Heck in CJ's first yr he had 28 REC, for 329 yrds, and 1 TD. In his second yr he did better he got 69 REC, for 1,116 yrds, and 5 TD's and after those two yrs he has had no less then 10 TD's a yr.

T.O. in his first yr had 35 REC, for 520 yrds, and 4 TD's. In his second yr he had 60 REC, for 936 yrds, and 8 TD's. Since then he has had only two yrs of less then 1,000 yrds.

I'll eat crow if both Kelly and Thomas step out and get 5 TD's a piece, but I doubt it. They hardley played their first yr had maybe one catch or two and very little yardage. I sorta count this yr as their first yr if you are going to measure them up against the best. So expect to see any where from 20 to 40 REC, about 400yrds a piece if that and perhaps 2-4 TD's each.

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If we get the same production (ZERO) out of Thomas and Kelly, I really believe that Cerrato has to go. Everyone knew that we needed help on both lines, and Vinny insisted on drafting 3 receivers in the 2nd round. What I found even more troubling was their showing up out of shape for training camp. Time for these boys to grow up and start approaching football as a profession instead of a game.

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[quote=terpsez11;536976]why have the Skins kept Antwaan Randle-El for so long???..he runs in circles on Punt Returns and can't seperate from anyone as a receiver..you advocate cutting receivers..cut one that has no game at all before you cut two second year players because of the lack of nothing better to discuss[/quote]

We're totally upside down wrt ARL's contract... it will be more expensive to cut him than keep him. I personally don't think he is the problem. El is a serviceable #3 or #2 WR. Moss can achieve #1 production when he has another serious threat opposite him and for this offense to fly Kelly or Thomas has to become that player for us. I mean both Moss and El bring something to the table but they're not dominant individually or together enough to really carry our passing game.

... i hope Zorn plays Thomas and Kelly a ton in preseason. I'd like them to take at least 75% of the snaps. We already know what Moss and El can do - Jason already has a feel for how these guys run routes etc. The goal it seems should be for JC/Kelly/Thomas to build as much chemistry as possible before opening day.

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[quote=SouperMeister;537141]If we get the same production (ZERO) out of Thomas and Kelly, I really believe that Cerrato has to go. Everyone knew that we needed help on both lines, and Vinny insisted on drafting 3 receivers in the 2nd round. What I found even more troubling was their showing up out of shape for training camp. Time for these boys to grow up and start approaching football as a profession instead of a game.[/quote]

If we let Cerrato go can we let Hixon go also. Atleast keep the WR's and allow another WR coach to have a crack at them.

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[quote=SBXVII;537162]If we let Cerrato go can we let Hixon go also. Atleast keep the WR's and allow another WR coach to have a crack at them.[/quote]

Amen.

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[quote=Paintrain;536784]Maybe you don't get it. As of March 13th, you're 100% correct, we are short one DE and one LB. The point is, are we starting training camp tomorrow? Has the window closed on us being able to secure a DE & LB thru the draft or FA?

If you don't think that Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall I guess we're watching different football. Dockery is much more athletic, much younger and a much better drive blocker.

[B]We don't have a hole at OT, some would like an upgrade. We don't have a hole at RG, some would like an upgrade. We don't have a hole at K, some would like an upgrade. We just signed a veteran punter a week ago. Is he a pro bowler? Nope, but he's been effective kicking in the division before.[/B]

As I asked before, who would you have brilliantly filled all of our holes with this offseason?[/quote]

Jon jansen is a hole at Right Tackle. A permanent hole with two fragile thumbs...not to mention he is the achiles heel of the offensive line (pun intended).

Our kicking game was larthargic last year so I consider both positions holes. Especially since the guy they brought in to punt was no better than the guy we let go. But I am not nit picking on the kicking game. I could really care less about the upgrade there.

To answer your question we could have signed 2 more FA's immediately at the opening bell of FA and all we had to do was realize that we were going to cut Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs, and Marcus Washington. The writing was on the wall, but the FO acted too late. Anyways my additions would have been (in addition to what we had done) sign Chris Canty and Cato June. After these signings I would have moved Rocky McIntosh to SAM and June would play Will. Canty would line up at LDE. That would have enabled us to address the OT and OG positions in the Draft early 1st and 3rd rounds and needs at LB depth later a little later.

But whatever...

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[quote=Angry;537206]Jon jansen is a hole at Right Tackle. A permanent hole with two fragile thumbs...not to mention he is the achiles heel of the offensive line (pun intended).

Our kicking game was larthargic last year so I consider both positions holes. Especially since the guy they brought in to punt was no better than the guy we let go. But I am not nit picking on the kicking game. I could really care less about the upgrade there.

To answer your question we could have signed 2 more FA's immediately at the opening bell of FA and all we had to do was realize that we were going to cut Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs, and Marcus Washington. The writing was on the wall, but the FO acted too late. [B]Anyways my additions would have been (in addition to what we had done) sign Chris Canty and Cato June.[/B] After these signings I would have moved Rocky McIntosh to SAM and June would play Will. Canty would line up at LDE. That would have enabled us to address the OT and OG positions in the Draft early 1st and 3rd rounds and needs at LB depth later a little later.

But whatever...[/quote]Canty would have been a nice piece to have, but we certainly would have overpaid for what he brings. Considering we can grab some old guy to do the same thing at league min, I'm glad we didn't throw the 8 mil a year he wanted at him.

Nothing is currently preventing us from signing Cato June, except that he's one of the worst run defending LBs in NFL history. Though when he was younger, he used to make up for that by being a good-scheme fit LB in the cover two with strong pass diagnosis skills, he's now 29 and entering the decline phase. If he declines anything from what he currently is, anything at all, he's basically Warrick Holdman. I don't know too many people lining up to get a piece of that, which explains why interest in him has been light.

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And there are plenty of people who we could get to play RT right now, but Vinny seems dead-set on using pick # 13 to bolster that position. Should he even get the chance.

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[quote=GTripp0012;537208]And there are plenty of people who we could get to play RT right now, but Vinny seems dead-set on using pick # 13 to bolster that position. Should he even get the chance.[/quote]

I REALLY hope that doesn't happen. There are 2 things we've lacked for more than 20 years, a no doubt franchise QB and a pass rusher the offense has to account for on every down. We're not going to address QB in this draft since we may have the solution already in house but IF Maybin or Orapko is available we have to pull that trigger.

I wish our fanbase didn't have an obsession with OL and not discounting the need to upgrade if possible at RT but you don't draft RT in the 1st round, especially not in the teens! That's just madness. If you have good scouting and good coaching you should be able to get a RT in the 3rd round and have him starting on opening day.

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It is rumored to be a draft deep in O-lineman

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[quote=Paintrain;537254]I REALLY hope that doesn't happen. There are 2 things we've lacked for more than 20 years, a no doubt franchise QB and a pass rusher the offense has to account for on every down. We're not going to address QB in this draft since we may have the solution already in house but IF Maybin or Orapko is available we have to pull that trigger.

I wish our fanbase didn't have an obsession with OL and not discounting the need to upgrade if possible at RT [B]but you don't draft RT in the 1st round,[/B] especially not in the teens! That's just madness. If you have good scouting and good coaching you should be able to get a RT in the 3rd round and have him starting on opening day.[/quote]

Isn't that how we got Samuels and Jansen??

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;537275]Isn't that how we got Samuels and Jansen??[/quote]

Samuels is an LT and Jansen was a 2nd round pick.

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What if you get someone like Oher who can be both an RT now, and probably slide to LT in a pinch?

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[quote=SmootSmack;537279]What if you get someone like Oher who can be both an RT now, and probably slide to LT in a pinch?[/quote]


Late first early 2nd, depending on the strength of the rest of the quality Tackles in the draft; if it's weaker you could take him in the early teens, but what do I know? I'm a dumbass so my official answer is round 1.5.

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[quote=Paintrain;537254]I REALLY hope that doesn't happen. There are 2 things we've lacked for more than 20 years, a no doubt franchise QB and a pass rusher the offense has to account for on every down. We're not going to address QB in this draft since we may have the solution already in house but IF Maybin or Orapko is available we have to pull that trigger.

I wish our fanbase didn't have an obsession with OL and not discounting the need to upgrade if possible at RT but you don't draft RT in the 1st round, especially not in the teens! That's just madness. If you have good scouting and good coaching you should be able to get a RT in the 3rd round and have him starting on opening day.[/quote]Well, if we do our homework, we can get a scheme-effective LB in the third round, and could avoid paying top-half-of-first-round money to a guy who will probably be playing for a different coordinator in a different scheme in a year from the guy that's drafting him.

Orakpo is fine since he's scheme-adaptable and figures to take over for Andre Carter anyway, but would you really have Maybin over say, Michael Oher? Maybin is not even half the prospect Vernon Gholston was a year ago and the Jets are already trying to pull their pants up from that one.

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[quote=GTripp0012;537303]Well, if we do our homework, we can get a scheme-effective LB in the third round, and could avoid paying top-half-of-first-round money to a guy who will probably be playing for a different coordinator in a different scheme in a year from the guy that's drafting him.

Orakpo is fine since he's scheme-adaptable and figures to take over for Andre Carter anyway, but would you really have Maybin over say, Michael Oher? Maybin is not even half the prospect Vernon Gholston was a year ago and the Jets are already trying to pull their pants up from that one.[/quote]

I've heard that some scouts aren't even sure if Maybin is an NFL player at all. He had one decent season as a redshirt sophomore and declared for the draft. Didn't we draft a guy a last year who only put up one college season worth mentioning? Isn't his name in the title of this thread?

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Maybin's kind of a mess, but he's just the type of fallback player the Skins might draft if all the players they are planning on targeting at No. 13 are gone. So that's where he's relevant.

The thing is, he'd probably have a nice rookie year as an OLB in this scheme. And then we'd never hear from him again. Well, except the time of the year when we're looking to cut salary.

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[quote=GTripp0012;537303]Well, if we do our homework, we can get a scheme-effective LB in the third round, and could avoid paying top-half-of-first-round money to a guy who will probably be playing for a different coordinator in a different scheme in a year from the guy that's drafting him.

Orakpo is fine since he's scheme-adaptable and figures to take over for Andre Carter anyway, [b]but would you really have Maybin over say, Michael Oher? Maybin is not even half the prospect Vernon Gholston was a year ago[/b] and the Jets are already trying to pull their pants up from that one.[/quote]
I'm the first one to admit that I don't watch college football at all. I read a lot of the analysis and watch a lot of the pre-draft coverage so my opinions on individual players coming out may not be the best based on what I've seen them do in games. I know the NFL game much better than college.

I do know however that our pass rush/DE/LB need is greater than our need at OT. Historically more RT are either early mid round (2-5) picks or guys who were drafted at LT but washed out and ended up at RT than guys drafted to be a LT of the future but start at RT. The last RT I recall being an early pick was Mike Williams in Buffalo and he was out of the league in 4 years I think.

At #13 I'm hoping we go for someone elite, a potential game changer. Maybin has (according to reports) a lightning quick first step, good closing ability and is serviceable against the run. Orapko seems like he's going to be similar to Carter, as you said, but with a little better run support. Honestly, I don't care if it's one of them, Everette Brown or any of the other top DE/LB, just as long as they get to the passer. We missed out on 2 elite pass rushers already this decade (Merriman & Ware) so hopefully we don't miss out again.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;536236]The FO is damned if they do or damned if they don't. As Matty said, everyone thinks they can run the team better. All FOs are going to make bad decisions, and all teams are not going to be able to address everything or have quality starters at every single position. Even the mighty NE Patriots just gave up a 4th rounder for a guy (Greg Lewis) that's at best the 3rd best wideout, had mediocre numbers last season, and is pushing 30 yrs. old.

Now I think you're bringing up an issue (giving up picks for Taylor) that has nothing to do with what's being discussed. Yes, giving up a two draft picks (well I think of it as one pick, b/c the other pick is not that valuable) for Jason Taylor was a mistake, big deal, get over it, complaining about it is not going to bring those two picks back. The issue at hand is that people are complaining that our two WRs did not have Pro Bowl stats in their first year. Which is ridiculous to expect this, given that most players need time to develop. My whole point is, if you mention the words "let's build through the draft" don't turn around and rant that Kelly and Thomas need to be cut b/c they didn't produce their first year.[/quote]

I've wasted at least 15 minutes reading this thread up til this post and you are the voice of reason.The off season sucks!!!

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

I say you give them four years, they are recievers and recievers take time.