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[quote=diehard;592639]Montgomery was good run blocking and struggled a time or two pass blocking.[/quote]

Yeah, he might turn out to be pretty good. Good to see the young guys play well when they get the chance.

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[quote=Ruhskins;592610]I would say sign someone as a back and give the nod to Rinehart or Montgomery.[/quote]

Yea, we could do that.. But I was thinking, maybe activate Edwin Williams? That is unless coaches don't think he's ready, then perhaps we should sign someone.. Best fill in gap would be Kendall? Since he already knows our system?

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They should get andrew crummey, he's not with Cincy or Atl, then we could have 3 terps on the OL.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;592641]No disrespect to Orakpo but we should have traded down, picked up Mack and and DE with the other pick. I guess it made too much sense.[/quote]

Um that's a pretty good idea. Personally I think the ultimate '09 Redskins draft would have been trade back, take Michael Oher w/ our first pick and then find someway to get Rey-Rey when he somehow fell into the 2nd round. Both are starters and making WAY bigger contributions to their teams than Rak has made. Rey-Rey is freaking awesome at SLB. 8 tackles first game. Just 4 today but he's added a sack and somewhere in there he caused to freakin fumbles!

...I'm still appalled at how so many Skins fans poo-pooed Rey as a guy who couldn't play at the pro level and would make a terrible SLB. Nooooo, let's take a pure DE instead and let him learn to be a LB :doh:

Ah, I need to let it all go. I am real glad at the optimism about Rinehart hopefully stepping in at RG and making an impact. Let's see the mean streak he had in college come out this weekend :)

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[quote=The Goat;592647]Um that's a pretty good idea. Personally I think the ultimate '09 Redskins draft would have been trade back, take Michael Oher w/ our first pick and then find someway to get Rey-Rey when he somehow fell into the 2nd round. Both are starters and making WAY bigger contributions to their teams than Rak has made. Rey-Rey is freaking awesome at SLB. 8 tackles first game. Just 4 today but he's added a sack and somewhere in there he caused to freakin fumbles!

[B]...I'm still appalled at how so many Skins fans poo-pooed Rey as a guy who couldn't play at the pro level and would make a terrible SLB. Nooooo, let's take a pure DE instead and let him learn to be a LB :doh:[/B]

Ah, I need to let it all go. I am real glad at the optimism about Rinehart hopefully stepping in at RG and making an impact. Let's see the mean streak he had in college come out this weekend :)[/quote]

I think you might be embellishing a little. Very few people had a problem with Rey Rey, the only negative being that he might have been seen by some as a constalation prize that we would have only taken had Sanchez, Orakpo, Andre Smith, and Eugene Monroe had all been taken. As far as SLB most people were unsure but not totally against it.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;592649]I think you might be embellishing a little. Very few people had a problem with Rey Rey, the only negative being that he might have been seen by some as a constalation prize that we would have only taken had Sanchez, Orakpo, Andre Smith, and Eugene Monroe had all been taken. As far as SLB most people were unsure but not totally against it.[/quote]

Nonsense. I'll go back and read the threads when I've got time but it blew my mind how many posts went on and on about his inability to play anything but MLB and how it was the talent around him that made him look good. I mean i don't even watch every USC game and I could tell that kid has got football pumping through his veins. I think Rey alone makes Cincy one of the big winners in this draft...not so sure how Smith will turnout. I think Oher may be the safer bet between the two, if just as a career RT.

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But again it goes back to the larger point of taking a pure DE and trying to put him in another position. So far it's been a shit-show and I really feel for Orakpo. Two games and he's got two tackles (as a SLB in our defense that's hard to stomach).

...it's another case of the FO not having it's cookies together...we were desperate for LB talent and Oline talent. DE turned out ok because Daniels came back as the starter anyway and Zoe is putting it together nicely. It just looks like the one hand has no idea what the other is doing...as the team puts together a decent dline the FO goes out and gets a guy who can't really fill a big hole on defense in Marcus' absence. I mean in Springs' case u can say Vinny at least made the attempt w/ Hall...putting Rak in as LB when we could have easily walked away from the draft w/ a monster at the position in Rey is sort of hard to wrap my mind around. It's not as goofy as Oakland's draft but it's still utterly bizarre it relation to the team's needs.

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I think it's wayyyy too early to be second guessing taking Orakpo. No ones entire career is going to be based on the first 2 games of their career. For all we know both Rey and Oher could get worse while Orakpo gets better.

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[quote=SBXVII;592146]We still have O-lineman. MW, the center from Maryland we picked up plays Guard, we could bring back Bridges. There's a lot we could do.[/quote]

Jeremy Bridges was signed by Cardinals bro before season started.

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I really hope Kendall comes back. Is Mike Williams active? Ray Brown still around?

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[quote=JWsleep;592339]I do have faith in Buges to make things work. Also, I think Rinehart will be fine as a guard--he's not a tackle and we've tried to move him out there.

We'll see.[/quote]

When has the last time Joe Bugle has developed a rookie lineman to start for us. Oh It is undrafted Heyer. You would think Buges could pick a lineman in the late rounds to help develope into a started, oh we didn't draft a O-line this year we took linebackers. Hmmmmm when will we learn that our O-line is getting old and we need young blood.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;592641]No disrespect to Orakpo but we should have traded down, picked up Mack and and DE with the other pick. I guess it made too much sense.[/quote]

Please stop the draft has been over bro. Why even do the we shoulda coulda game. We got Orakpo and thats the fact.

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We said last season Kendall is old , now we want him back. Look we need to go with the back up players we have on the roster. Thats how young guys learn and gain experince so let Chad Rhinehart get his chance to play. If he plays poor than no point bringing him back after the season. As for Kendall what kind of shape is he in to play for us? Today we had trouble opening holes for Portis , so why not put big Mike Williams at RG and let him maul some people. It is time to let the Rookies play like every other team does. Sink or Swim Time.

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[quote=The Goat;592651]Nonsense. I'll go back and read the threads when I've got time but it blew my mind how many posts went on and on about his inability to play anything but MLB and how it was the talent around him that made him look good. I mean i don't even watch every USC game and I could tell that kid has got football pumping through his veins. I think Rey alone makes Cincy one of the big winners in this draft...not so sure how Smith will turnout. I think Oher may be the safer bet between the two, if just as a career RT.[/quote]

I won't back down from what I said before the draft- I still believe Rey was the weakest pick out of the three Trojan linebackers from what I watched at SC the last few seasons. I still think Cush is going to wreck havoc in Houston and it will take Clay a few seasons to really show his worth, as he's a late bloomer. I'm happy Rey's making plays so far- but guess what... Cincy's coaching staff is letting him freelance a bit more because he's surrounded by two better, more disciplined linebackers in Dhani Jones and Keith Rivers (and Rivers is a far superior player than Rey at this level... yes, he has a season on him- but Keith is the real deal). Coincidence?

Sorta like at SC- the Bengals' coaches are playing to Rey's strength (aggressive headhunting/playmaking) and you can only achieve that in a system that allows for such a player. Most NFL teams bypassed him because most d-coordinators don't want the headache of such a high risk-high reward player that may not fit into a structured scheme that relies on [I]every[/I] player to remain in their zones.

I bet if you were on this board before the 2000 draft, you would have been pretty amped on LaVar Arrington as well- the dude had pretty much the same MO as Rey coming out of school. Highlight hits, incredible speed and power, etc. His shortcomings were the same exact ones Rey had- inconsistency, tendency to overpursue, looking for the big hit instead of the solid tackle, slow to fill cut back lanes, etc. Do you honestly think Rey would be making a difference in DC? What makes him that much better than LaVar coming out of college? I was the biggest LA fan for most of his career , btw...

Remember, 31 teams may not have drafted Rey not because he isn't a playmaker and won't make SportsCenter highlights once in a while... but maybe because their systems don't allow (or don't have the surrounding personnel) the luxury of a freelancing headhunter that makes crowds go "Ahhhh."

It's been two games and I'm not yet ready to write off Orakpo for an Oher swap w/ a Rey miracle throw-in somehow (even though Oher is definitely the real deal for B-Mo). Did I just really defend a Longhorn over my own Trojan-in-arms? Somebody slap me...

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[quote=itvnetop;592669]I won't back down from what I said before the draft- I still believe Rey was the weakest pick out of the three Trojan linebackers from what I watched at SC the last few seasons. I still think Cush is going to wreck havoc in Houston and it will take Clay a few seasons to really show his worth, as he's a late bloomer. I'm happy Rey's making plays so far- but guess what... Cincy's coaching staff is letting him freelance a bit more because he's surrounded by two better, more disciplined linebackers in Dhani Jones and Keith Rivers (and Rivers is a far superior player than Rey at this level... yes, he has a season on him- but Keith is the real deal). Coincidence?

Sorta like at SC- the Bengals' coaches are playing to Rey's strength (aggressive headhunting/playmaking) and you can only achieve that in a system that allows for such a player. Most NFL teams bypassed him because most d-coordinators don't want the headache of such a high risk-high reward player that may not fit into a structured scheme that relies on [I]every[/I] player to remain in their zones.

I bet if you were on this board before the 2000 draft, you would have been pretty amped on LaVar Arrington as well- the dude had pretty much the same MO as Rey coming out of school. Highlight hits, incredible speed and power, etc. His shortcomings were the same exact ones Rey had- inconsistency, tendency to overpursue, looking for the big hit instead of the solid tackle, slow to fill cut back lanes, etc. Do you honestly think Rey would be making a difference in DC? What makes him that much better than LaVar coming out of college? I was the biggest LA fan for most of his career , btw...

Remember, 31 teams may not have drafted Rey not because he isn't a playmaker and won't make SportsCenter highlights once in a while... but maybe because their systems don't allow (or don't have the surrounding personnel) the luxury of a freelancing headhunter that makes crowds go "Ahhhh."

It's been two games and I'm not yet ready to write off Orakpo for an Oher swap w/ a Rey miracle throw-in somehow (even though Oher is definitely the real deal for B-Mo). Did I just really defend a Longhorn over my own Trojan-in-arms? Somebody slap me...[/quote]

What does this have to do with O-Line Depth?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;592641]No disrespect to Orakpo but we should have traded down, picked up Mack and and DE with the other pick. I guess it made too much sense.[/quote]

Making a trade requires more than one team of course

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[quote=SmootSmack;592677]Making a trade requires more than one team of course[/quote]

Brian Billick? Really? Surely you jest.

And good morning, SmootSmack!

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[quote=Beemnseven;592678]Brian Billick? Really? Surely you jest.

And good morning, SmootSmack![/quote]

Good morning!

Yes I jest...sort of. I just threw a name up there that isn't Shanahan or Cowher, because those can't be the only choices you know.

I'll just keep throwing names up there of guys I would not be upset to get. I really like Mike Sherman for some reason

Were you the other guy who wanted Fassell? Or was I alone in that boat?

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[quote=SmootSmack;592680]Good morning!

Yes I jest...sort of. I just threw a name up there that isn't Shanahan or Cowher, because those can't be the only choices you know.

I'll just keep throwing names up there of guys I would not be upset to get. I really like Mike Sherman for some reason

Were you the other guy who wanted Fassell? Or was I alone in that boat?[/quote]

Yeah, I think we were the only two members on the Jim Fassel Fan Club.

I really hope somebody else picks up Bill Cowher.

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[quote=saden1;592067]Same shit different year. We got issues on the line even with Thomas so this is just another thing to worry about. Good defenses will take it to our line.[/quote]

Agreed. O-Line was already the weakest part of our offense before this injury. Good D's are gonna swarm Campbell again just like last year.

We can't rely on Samuels forever. Time to start stockpiling young lineman.

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[quote=Beemnseven;592681]Yeah, I think we were the only two members on the Jim Fassel Fan Club. [/quote]

I was the third... Then again I was choosing between Fassel and Dennis Green. :doh:

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[quote=SmootSmack;592677]Making a trade requires more than one team of course[/quote]

Yeah, that's why Cleveland and Philly traded and got Mack.

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I don't think Cowher would make much sense here anyway. What makes sense is to bring in someone with a WC background to make for a smooth transition. Holmgren, Shanahan, or even Gruden. I wouldn't argue with any of those 3.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;592768]Yeah, that's why Cleveland and Philly traded and got Mack.[/quote]

I think you're missing my point. That's ok

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[quote=Mattyk72;592771]I don't think Cowher would make much sense here anyway. What makes sense is to bring in someone with a WC background to make for a smooth transition. Holmgren, Shanahan, or even Gruden. I wouldn't argue with any of those 3.[/quote]

or Billick, Mariucci, or Mike Sherman! :)

Seriously though, I can't even figure out how much of a WCO we've been running anyway.

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[quote=SmootSmack;592779]or Billick, Mariucci, or Mike Sherman! :)

Seriously though, I can't even figure out how much of a WCO we've been running anyway.[/quote]

How does Mike Sherman not get a 2nd chance? He had a pretty good W/L record in GB.

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Ok, I am as irritated as everyone else. BUT Zorn has only called plays for 1 full season, and he has shown he can be gutsy/creative. I don't imagine it is as easy as he thought it would be, but let's give this guy a chance. I think the next 5 games will be his watershed moment. He either steps up to the plate, and demonstrates that he "gets it", or we let one more season slip away, and start with a clean slate at Coach/QB next year.

I think Zorn likes to see a "kill shot" call, and then when/if it fails he doesn't reload, but instead retreats to the run. The only way to get past this, is with practice and time actually calling offenses against live NFL Defenses.

I think/hope he will get it and we will rock on. Time will tell for sure.

GO SKINS

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I like Shanahan here with complete control. Basically this current team is just an extention of Gibbs 2. The Gibbs 2 project needs to end. Probably the worst thing that could happen to the Skins this year is to go 8-8 with no playoffs. It will give us a crappy pick and possibly make us hold on to Zorn a little longer.

When in the history of the NFL has there been so many good coachs avaiable as there will be in 2010? We would be dumb to not make a coaching change.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;592784]Ok, I am as irritated as everyone else. BUT Zorn has only called plays for 1 full season, and he has shown he can be gutsy/creative. I don't imagine it is as easy as he thought it would be, but let's give this guy a chance. I think the next 5 games will be his watershed moment. He either steps up to the plate, and demonstrates that he "gets it", or we let one more season slip away, and start with a clean slate at Coach/QB next year.

I think Zorn likes to see a "kill shot" call, and then when/if it fails he doesn't reload, but instead retreats to the run. The only way to get past this, is with practice and time actually calling offenses against live NFL Defenses.

I think/hope he will get it and we will rock on. Time will tell for sure.

GO SKINS[/quote]

Couldn't agree more, let's give Zorn a chance. The offense is moving the ball, the main problem is the Red Zone which I think will get resolved. This what JC had to say:

It's not Zorn's fault that wide receiver Devin Thomas and fullback Mike Sellers dropped passes that could have given the Redskins a 14-0 lead in the first half, but, as the Redskins' leader everything obviously falls on him.

"We just have to understand every play is big no matter what quarter it is, no matter where we are on the field, and we've got to get the ball in the end zone," Campbell said. "No matter how much we move the ball, we have to score points."

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[B]Jesus.. STFU about new coaches and QB's and try to act like loyal Redskin fans for once? Let's just see what ahppens this season, or atleast wait till we've played more then 2 games before we start calling for heads.

What the hell is wrong with some of you? lol[/B]

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[quote=Bucket;592788][B]Jesus.. STFU about new coaches and QB's and try to act like loyal Redskin fans for once? Let's just see what ahppens this season, or atleast wait till we've played more then 2 games before we start calling for heads.

What the hell is wrong with some of you? lol[/B][/quote]

There's nothing wrong with us. Three field goals is what's wrong. We're loyal enough to get on a message board because we're hardcore Redskin fans. How many other fans know the entire lineup and depth of their team?

The time for stacking O-line men was years ago. If Zorn does get the boot then I say Vinny should too. I watched the Giants and Girls play last night. Watching the girls run on NJ just made my angry. Why can't we do that?

If we have to blow it up then blow it up. Nothing I've seen so far suggests that we'll not. Nothing short of the playoffs will stop this IMO.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;592801]

The time for stacking O-line men was years ago. If Zorn does get the boot then I say Vinny should too. I watched the Giants and Girls play last night. Watching the girls run on NJ just made my angry. Why can't we do that?[/quote]

No disrespect to Portis, but what this team has been lacking is a player like Michael Bush (Raiders) or Jacobs who can play smashmouth football and shove the ball down peoples throat.

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Who's that big corn fed boy they've got in Denver? He's a beast. I'd like to see them draft some o-linemen and get a FB/RB beast runner in the 4th or
5th like Jacobs. How we can have a serious run game with out a change of back RB and a good O is beyond me? If you can't run for three yards on the goal line then you don't have a good run team, at least when you need it the most.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;592784]Ok, I am as irritated as everyone else. BUT Zorn has only called plays for 1 full season, and he has shown he can be gutsy/creative. I don't imagine it is as easy as he thought it would be, but let's give this guy a chance. I think the next 5 games will be his watershed moment. He either steps up to the plate, and demonstrates that he "gets it", or we let one more season slip away, and start with a clean slate at Coach/QB next year.

I think Zorn likes to see a "kill shot" call, and then when/if it fails he doesn't reload, but instead retreats to the run. The only way to get past this, is with practice and time actually calling offenses against live NFL Defenses.

I think/hope he will get it and we will rock on. Time will tell for sure.

GO SKINS[/quote]

I wanted to see Zorn turn right around and run that first play again to see if JC could hit him the second time. Heck, it would not bother me if they just kept going long until they finally hit a big play.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;592784]Ok, I am as irritated as everyone else. BUT Zorn has only called plays for 1 full season, and he has shown he can be gutsy/creative. I don't imagine it is as easy as he thought it would be, but let's give this guy a chance. I think the next 5 games will be his watershed moment. He either steps up to the plate, and demonstrates that he "gets it", or we let one more season slip away, and start with a clean slate at Coach/QB next year.

I think Zorn likes to see a "kill shot" call, and then when/if it fails he doesn't reload, but instead retreats to the run. The only way to get past this, is with practice and time actually calling offenses against live NFL Defenses.

I think/hope he will get it and we will rock on. Time will tell for sure.

GO SKINS[/quote]

So then the question that many come back to is, is he taking on too much? QB Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Head Coach. He has Chris Meidt helping him with the QBs but Meidt has even less NFL experience than Zorn.

Technically, Sherman Smith is the OC (first time in his career), but his job is to work on crafting the game plan during the week. Come Game Day, it's Zorn's show. Should it be Sherman Smith's show? Should it be like it is in Baltimore where OC Cam Cameron basically calls the plays on game day and John Harbaugh (who like Zorn never called plays before last year) make the head coach decisions, such as when to go for it on 4th down?

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For Zorn to relinquish playcalling control would be sending a message to Snyder that he can't do what he was originally hired to do. I don't see Zorn giving up like that.

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Gibbs gave it up, why can't Zorn?

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[quote=Mattyk72;592847]Gibbs gave it up, why can't Zorn?[/quote]

Gibbs was humble, admitted his mistakes, and wanted to do whatever it took to win. Zorn is not humble, blames the players for not executing on his bonehead playcalls, and realizes this is the only chance he'll ever have to call plays, so he's not gonna give it up.

In my opinion, Snyder should call Holmgren and see if he wants the HC job. He's familair with the offense and the terminology and could step right in and call plays. If Holmgren was agreeable, i'd offer to let Zorn stay on as a Offensive Coordinator/QB coach, but we need someone else, with experience in this system, calling plays. If Holmgren isnt intersted, then sticking with Zorn is the best option, because we dont have anything better in-house.

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[quote=SmootSmack;592820]So then the question that many come back to is, is he taking on too much? QB Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Head Coach. He has Chris Meidt helping him with the QBs but Meidt has even less NFL experience than Zorn.

Technically, Sherman Smith is the OC (first time in his career), but his job is to work on crafting the game plan during the week. Come Game Day, it's Zorn's show. Should it be Sherman Smith's show? Should it be like it is in Baltimore where OC Cam Cameron basically calls the plays on game day and John Harbaugh (who like Zorn never called plays before last year) make the head coach decisions, such as when to go for it on 4th down?[/quote]
Maybe so, my problem at this point is that this season is basically Campbells make or break, so throwing another coordinator at the problem just seems doomed to failure. Basically, I am "content" with letting JZ/Campbell sail down this sea together, either they make it work, or we say sayonara. That way no coach we may bring in feels like Danny gave JZ an unfair ride, and they are not tied to Campbell.

And if they do get it together, like Theissman and JG1 after the 0-5 start, then we will all be very happy fans.

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[quote=Mattyk72;592847]Gibbs gave it up, why can't Zorn?[/quote]

Simple -- one guy's name is Joe Gibbs, and the other guy is Jim Zorn.