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[quote=ronnieo;675146]Jason will not get traded and no one will be willing to give up a first round pic for him. [B]The signing of Rex is a clear sign the we will draft an offensive tackle (Okung) with the first pic[/B] maybe even trading up and gaining a pic and still getting our tackle. We need to solidify the offensive line first and foremost. Jason is not going anywhere.........[/quote]

I'm sorry I just don't see it as "clear". All the Rex signing is, is a replacement for Collins. Yes it gives them some options and your theory could be correct but I don't think it's clear cut. If anything it makes JC expendable to settle for whatever they can get out of him if they don't get what they want. Rex's deal is only for 1 year meaning it gives them a chance to see what the Rookie can do in his first year during practice and preseason and if he's taking longer to get the system down they have Rex to fall back on.

For those of you thinking Colt is gone... I don't see that either. I'm thinking they team offers a trade with the Rams throwing JC in the mix to get "their" QB Bradford or whoever it may be and keep Rex, and Colt.

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I wouldn't be surprised what Polian actually meant is that since teams choose players based on an "IF...THEN" algorithm and teams try to be ready as many potential ways the order can play out, that's why they wouldn't be surprised. The order of the players selected is not bound by some faux-determinism. I wouldn't be surprised if Allen isn't surprised the Rams take Suh OR Bradford this draft because those are both plausible possibilities.

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[quote=Lotus;675340]I have not disagreed with your point in bold above. I have simply indicated that it is limited. Taking a QB at #1 is both high risk and high reward. However, you have simply highlighted the "risk" part. You have been ignoring the "reward" part.[/quote]
Well the lottery is high risk high reward. But if you don't have the winning ticket, no worries just play again next week.

But for a QB taken #1 overall. Your organization will invest MILLIONS in him. And IF he does work out, you get your reward.

But history shows there have been a substantially high number of QB's taken that high that did NOT work out. And now the organization is stuck. Owe the player millions of dollars that could be going to a more productive prospect (or 2 or 3!). And you cant trade him because his contract is so huge.

A team can win and survive if you select a DE, DT, OL, RB, any other position on the field #1 and they end up being a bust.

But the QB position, no way. Once you are committed to this kid, thats it, you are in bed with him for the long haul.

I'm not ignoring the reward part. I just don't think it is worth the high of a risk or gamble selecting a QB that high.

Any other position that busts, and it just affects that position. But if you bust on your QB, that affects all 53 players on that roster.

I would take Suh or McCoy (DT) over Bradford/Clausen with the top pick of the draft for just the reasons I stated. if Suh or McCoy (DT) turn out to be a bust, well that is a lot better risk than if my QB is a bust.

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[quote=tryfuhl;675410]Your tie to Leinart made it seem like you were well.. tying it to him.

Are there surprises? Sure.. some 1st round players turn out to be huge busts

hell anyone can say are you surprised a number 4 ended up being a great player? why would you argue that? he was picked top 5

there are plenty of surprises in the 1st and plenty of teams that would've jumped on the bust had the original team not[/quote]

As I already explained before, what Bill Polian is talking about is not how the player pans out as a success or failure in the NFL.

He's referring to the order the players are drafted in the NFL. Therefore, there is little to no reason to believe that Matt Leinart "fell" from the Top 4.

We're not talking about who busts and who doesn't. We're talking about why the Jets took Ferguson instead of Leinart. And the reason is because Leinart ranked that much lower.

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This whole Shanahan likes Brennan thing has been way overblown. As of two weeks ago he hadn't even seen film of him playing in preseason games.

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[quote=Buster;675367]Of course, but that's a gigantic [SIZE=7]IF[/SIZE].

As I said, Bradford does not seem like a sure thing, I don't think we should risk it, especially with more pressing needs...mainly O-Line.[/quote]

Buster our argument is shared by many, but for some it will continue to fall on death ears. You do however, have the right idea about how to build a football team.

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There are plenty of ways to build up the offensive line beside spending the 4th overall pick on an offensive lineman

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[quote=Longtimefan;675417]Burter our argument is shared by many, but for some it will continue to fall on death ears. You do however, have the right idea about how to build a football team.[/quote]

Thanks for the compliment. Balances out the "YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL" one I had earlier today. :D

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[quote=sandtrapjack;675413]But history shows there have been a substantially high number of QB's taken that high that did NOT work out. And now the organization is stuck. Owe the player millions of dollars that could be going to a more productive prospect (or 2 or 3!). And you cant trade him because his contract is so huge.
[/quote]

I've asked this before. Which teams does history show (and make sure the quantity is a "substantially high number") are stuck due to picking a quarterback?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;675412]I wouldn't be surprised what Polian actually meant is that since teams choose players based on an "IF...THEN" algorithm and teams try to be ready as many potential ways the order can play out, that's why they wouldn't be surprised. The order of the players selected is not bound by some faux-determinism. I wouldn't be surprised if Allen isn't surprised the Rams take Suh OR Bradford this draft because those are both plausible possibilities.[/quote]

No, he's referring specifically to players "rising" and "falling".

“The so-called ‘fallers’ didn't have that outstanding ability or had one major flaw,” Polian said.

Therefore we can insinuate that Matt Leinart was not taken in the Top 4 for a reason.

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[quote=SmootSmack;675416]This whole Shanahan likes Brennan thing has been way overblown. As of two weeks ago he hadn't even seen film of him playing in preseason games.[/quote]

True, he's not going to challenge Campbell or anything, but he liked him [I]enough[/I] to not cut him and let him in the "open competition", unlike Collins (thankfully).

I'd be fine with JC being backed up by whomever comes out ahead in the Rex/Colt battle.

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[quote=Audi;675414]As I already explained before, what Bill Polian is talking about is not how the player pans out as a success or failure in the NFL.

He's referring to the order the players are drafted in the NFL. Therefore, there is little to no reason to believe that Matt Leinart "fell" from the Top 4.

We're not talking about who busts and who doesn't. We're talking about why the Jets took Ferguson instead of Leinart. And the reason is because Leinart ranked that much lower.[/quote]
Yeah, because Casserly defied expectations and chose Mario Williams, then the Saints chose Bush, who was hyped up like no other, the Titans wanted Young, Jets took Ferguson even though their QB situation was hardly optimal(Pennington, Ramsey, Clemens) as well, Green Bay and San Fran already had a "QB of the future", Davis probably didn't care for Leinart, Millen wanted to stick with Kitna, the Bills "passed over" and the allowed the Cards to grab Leinart.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;675209]Couldn't agree more.

So what if they trade Campbell and the #4 to St Louis? You are still stuck paying out a contract for a #1 overall pick, QB none the less who gets paid more than anyone. Take a look at past #1 overall QB taken, they get TONS of money. And if a franchise if not careful, it could set thier team back as much as 10 years. Case in point:

JaMarcus Russell
Ryan Leaf (ok he was the 2nd pick, but you see what I mean)

The #1 overall pick is scary enough to choose, but on a QB it is magnified ten-fold.[/quote]

#1- Who gives a rats arse about how much he will make? There is no CAP.

#2- The Skins at like 78 mill tied up in players. We now are like 3rd cheapest I thought I read somewhere. Thats after releasing all those players.

#3- I don't see your point but how much farther back can we go then 4-12? Last in the division?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;675424]Yeah, because Casserly defied expectations and chose Mario Williams, then the Saints chose Bush, who was hyped up like no other, the Titans wanted Young, Jets took Ferguson even though their QB situation was hardly optimal(Pennington, Ramsey, Clemens) as well, Green Bay and San Fran already had a "QB of the future", Davis probably didn't care for Leinart, Millen wanted to stick with Kitna, the Bills "passed over" and the allowed the Cards to grab Leinart.[/quote]

Exactly. You may think that draft was a "surprise" but that's because you were probably following some mock draft on an Internet site.

"Polian recently said two things are true:

• For those who actually do the drafting, the first-round is rarely a mystery.

• It usually doesn't play out as those doing the mocking predict."

"He said the reason for that is the teams have access to data that those performing mock drafts don't often possess. For that reason, he said, some players fall down the draft board. A players' declining stock may be a draft-day surprise, but Polian said it's often because of a factor about which league personnel officials already knew."

“You have to really work hard to ignore the data. There are very few exceptions anymore. Hardly ever. They almost go off in many ways almost exactly how you have them rated.”

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[quote=Buster;675419]Thanks for the compliment. Balances out the "YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL" one I had earlier today. :D[/quote]

I did edit the spelling..sorry. I suffer from macular degeneration, and sometimes even when I proof read I don't recognize my mistakes.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;675413]Well the lottery is high risk high reward. But if you don't have the winning ticket, no worries just play again next week.

But for a QB taken #1 overall. Your organization will invest MILLIONS in him. And IF he does work out, you get your reward.

But history shows there have been a substantially high number of QB's taken that high that did NOT work out. And now the organization is stuck. Owe the player millions of dollars that could be going to a more productive prospect (or 2 or 3!). And you cant trade him because his contract is so huge.

A team can win and survive if you select a DE, DT, OL, RB, any other position on the field #1 and they end up being a bust.

But the QB position, no way. Once you are committed to this kid, thats it, you are in bed with him for the long haul.

[B]I'm not ignoring the reward part. I just don't think it is worth the high of a risk or gamble selecting a QB that high.[/B]

Any other position that busts, and it just affects that position. But if you bust on your QB, that affects all 53 players on that roster.

I would take Suh or McCoy (DT) over Bradford/Clausen with the top pick of the draft for just the reasons I stated. if Suh or McCoy (DT) turn out to be a bust, well that is a lot better risk than if my QB is a bust.[/quote]

If that is true, then to be logically consistent you must argue that the Colts were wrong to draft Manning #1 overall or the Cowboys were wrong to draft Aikman #1 overall.

To recognize the pitfalls of drafting a QB at #1 is wise. To turn it into a "don't draft a QB" dogma is foolish. The situation is more complex than your arguments allow.

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[quote=SmootSmack;675418]There are plenty of ways to build up the offensive line beside spending the 4th overall pick on an offensive lineman[/quote]

but we need 2 first 2 round picks this year bro

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[quote=Audi;675427]Exactly. You may think that draft was a "surprise" but that's because you were probably following some mock draft on an Internet site.

"Polian recently said two things are true:

• For those who actually do the drafting, the first-round is rarely a mystery.

• It usually doesn't play out as those doing the mocking predict."

"He said the reason for that is the teams have access to data that those performing mock drafts don't often possess. For that reason, he said, some players fall down the draft board. A players' declining stock may be a draft-day surprise, but Polian said it's often because of a factor about which league personnel officials already knew."

“You have to really work hard to ignore the data. There are very few exceptions anymore. Hardly ever. They almost go off in many ways almost exactly how you have them rated.”[/quote]
I think it'd be common sense to say that those doing the drafting will be closer than the analysts. The ones doing the drafting have a better idea of the team's future, additional moves, etc that they have planned. Goes without saying imo

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[quote=Lotus;675254]Maybe. Or maybe the Rams take the lesser value because they get a starting QB but save the #1 pick money.[/quote]


Which is what I keep hearing. They wanted to can their HC after one year due to how the season played out. They decided to give him one more year to try and get it right. Rumor is no HC is going to bank his last ditch effort on a Rookie QB who might be a bust. Their HC is looking for a QB who can get the job done and although some of us have issues with JC he is safe with the ball which is most likely what the Rams need.

Another rumor I heard was they wanted to trade out of that spot cause they either didn't want to pay that price for a player or didn't think anyone was worth the money. If no one wants to trade or they can't get the value for the pick of course they will keep it and pick someone at a positon they need.

Trading with the Skins gives them a good QB who's safe with the ball and seasoned and a draft pick of their choice at at lower cost. Most likely DL which is both of their needs.

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[quote=Audi;675427]Exactly. You may think that draft was a "surprise" but that's because you were probably following some mock draft on an Internet site.

"Polian recently said two things are true:

• For those who actually do the drafting, the first-round is rarely a mystery.

• It usually doesn't play out as those doing the mocking predict."[/quote]

Yes, your hyping up of GMs as omniscient gods with perfect foresight is something else. The mocks may not get freaking order right, but generally right about the general vincinity of where the players are taken.

I [B]wouldn't[/B] be surprised if the Rams take EITHER Bradford or Suh this year. Polian isn't surprised because he probably accounted most of the ways the picks could have gone, NOT because he has some godly ESP.
The Jets could have taken Leinart, and no one would be that surprised either because he was one of those top prospects. If Leinart fell to 8, that wouldn't have been surprising either, because the Lions bombed with Harrington and may have wanted a fresh start. I'll bet he played out all of those potential scenarios and wouldn't have been the least bit surprised if ANY of them happened.

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[quote=Audi;675420]I've asked this before. Which teams does history show (and make sure the quantity is a "substantially high number") are stuck due to picking a quarterback?[/quote]

thats an interesting point man. the raiders, 49ers, lions were mediocre to bad before they drafted j russell, a smith and j harrington respectively.

so, when they "busted", where did their franchise end up? mediocre to bad.

we are coming off a 4-12 season, following an 8-8 season (which ended badly).

how many times are we going to be picking 4th overall again? in another 10 years? if shanny and allen think claussen or bradford are going to be good to great (with JC = an avg qb), then i think they pull that trigger.

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Grossman is terrible. End of discussion. He has to be the worst QB ever to QB a team to a Super Bowl. He's just awful. I honestly would've kept Collins. Even though he's old and slow w/ a noodle arm the guy seems to do well when called upon. Grossman can't handle the center exchage, can't read a defense and throws terrible INT's. He simply played his way out of Chicago. I hope nothing happens to JC.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;675439]Yes, your hyping up of GMs as omniscient gods with perfect foresight is something else. The mocks may not get freaking order right, but generally right about the general vincinity of where the players are taken.

I [B]wouldn't[/B] be surprised if the Rams take EITHER Bradford or Suh this year. Polian isn't surprised because he probably accounted most of the ways the picks could have gone, NOT because he has some godly ESP.
The Jets could have taken Leinart, and no one would be that surprised either because he was one of those top prospects. If Leinart fell to 8, that wouldn't have been surprising either, because the Lions bombed with Harrington and may have wanted a fresh start. I'll bet he played out all of those potential scenarios and wouldn't have been the least bit surprised if ANY of them happened.[/quote]

You're right. You and the mock drafts know better. All GMs should be required to use Mel Kiper's Big Board as a reference from now on.

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[quote=over the mountain;675440]thats an interesting point man. the raiders, 49ers, lions were mediocre to bad before they drafted j russell, a smith and j harrington respectively.

so, when they "busted", where did their franchise end up? mediocre to bad.

we are coming off a 4-12 season, following an 8-8 season (which ended badly).

how many times are we going to be picking 4th overall again? in another 10 years? if shanny and allen think claussen or bradford are going to be good to great (with JC = an avg qb), then i think they pull that trigger.[/quote]

The Rams are going to take Bradford, so that leaves Clausen. Is he really worth the 4th overall pick in the draft? I don't think so. Bradford is clearly the more skilled passer. IMO we should try and make a deal w/ Cleveland and trade back.

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[url=http://twitter.com/Russellmania09/status/10629475078]Twitter / Chris Russell: #Redskins QB Jason Campbel ...[/url]

#Redskins QB Jason Campbell reaction to Rex: I am good. Just worrying about what I have to do to be ready. Kind of knew about it a week ago

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[quote=Lotus;675374]Well, ok. I have a different perspective. I think that Bradford and possibly Clausen will be very good NFL QB's and therefore will be worth the risk.

How long has it been since we had an elite QB? How long has it been since we're down 3 late in a game but we can think, "It's ok, we have ______ at QB," the way that Colts and Chargers can?

I have no problem with drafting Okung since the line needs help. But I also have no problem with drafting a QB at #4.[/quote]

How long has it been? I'd say since the early to mid 70's. I know you might slam me but as I remember growing up Theismann was not elite, but he got the job done. I can remember the announcers talking about how other said QB's were better % wise but we got to the SB with him.

I don't count Shroeder, Williams, or Rypien as elite QB's even though they got the job done and we all might argue now that they are elite. But at the time they were not considered elite.

Freotte, Green, Shuller, Johnson, George, Banks, Weurfel, Matthews, Ramsey, Brunell, Campbell, Collins, Colt or Grossman I definitly would not consider elite.

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[quote=skinsfan69;675445]Grossman is terrible. End of discussion.[B] He has to be the worst QB ever to QB a team to a Super Bowl. [/B]He's just awful. I honestly would've kept Collins. Even though he's old and slow w/ a noodle arm the guy seems to do well when called upon. Grossman can't handle the center exchage, can't read a defense and throws terrible INT's. He simply played his way out of Chicago. I hope nothing happens to JC.[/quote]

I forgot about that. You're right though, worse than Trent Dilfer.

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[quote=tryfuhl;675432]but we need 2 first 2 round picks this year bro[/quote]

I would argue that if we could get a whole team of 1st round picks we need it. But it's not logical.

If Okung is not a good fit for the scheme Shanahan wants to implement and no one else is projected to be worthy of a #4 pick that are good in the zone blocking scheme then what do you do? The OL draft depth is huge. There are many players who will fit into Shanahan's scheme but not worthy of the #4 pick overall.

Trade up with the Rams get the QB we need, don't throw away draft picks though so in the second round we can get an OL. Hopefully we pick up more picks from other players we tendered and pick up more picks. Hopefully OL.

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[quote=SBXVII;675457]How long has it been? I'd say since the early to mid 70's. I know you might slam me but as I remember growing up Theismann was not elite, but he got the job done. I can remember the announcers talking about how other said QB's were better % wise but we got to the SB with him.

I don't count Shroeder, Williams, or Rypien as elite QB's even though they got the job done and we all might argue now that they are elite. But at the time they were not considered elite.

Freotte, Green, Shuller, Johnson, George, Banks, Weurfel, Matthews, Ramsey, Brunell, Campbell, Collins, Colt or Grossman I definitly would not consider elite.[/quote]

I essentially agree. Arguably, Sonny Jurgenson was the last "elite" QB that we had. Can't we change this? Instead of watching the Mannings and Rivers of the world beat us, how about if we had one of those guys on our team for once?

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[quote=skinsfan69;675445]Grossman is terrible. End of discussion. He has to be the worst QB ever to QB a team to a Super Bowl. He's just awful. I honestly would've kept Collins. Even though he's old and slow w/ a noodle arm the guy seems to do well when called upon. [B]Grossman can't handle the center exchage, can't read a defense and throws terrible INT's. He simply played his way out of Chicago.[/B] I hope nothing happens to JC.[/quote]

Damn for a moment I thought you were refering to JC. ;)

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[quote=skinsfan69;675452]The Rams are going to take Bradford, so that leaves Clausen. Is he really worth the 4th overall pick in the draft? I don't think so. Bradford is clearly the more skilled passer. IMO we should try and make a deal w/ Cleveland and trade back.[/quote]

i personally like claussen more than bradford. if shanny and allen think claussen is a good pick at 4, great. if they think okung or someone else is, great. if they think they must do whats needed to land bradford, great.

its really that simple imo.

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[quote=SmootSmack;675418]There are plenty of ways to build up the offensive line beside spending the 4th overall pick on an offensive lineman[/quote]

You've got to admit the argument of which position to draft has been as intriguing as it has been ongoing. It's a subject that has dominated fan message boards for months with both sides presenting formidable arguments both pro and con. It has certainly made for great discussion because a good case can be made for either side presented.

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[quote=Lotus;675474]I essentially agree. Arguably, Sonny Jurgenson was the last "elite" QB that we had. Can't we change this? Instead of watching the Mannings and Rivers of the world beat us, how about if we had one of those guys on our team for once?[/quote]

let's not forget that the colts (though under different leadership) were the ones to pick jeff george in the 1st round, number 1 overall even

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[quote=SBXVII;675476]Damn for a moment I thought you were refering to JC. ;)[/quote]

Rabach can't handle the center/QB exchange...snaps it into the ground half the time. :D

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[quote=tryfuhl;675488]let's not forget that the colts (though under different leadership) were the ones to pick jeff george in the 1st round, number 1 overall even[/quote]

I don't deny such debacles. But the point remains that if one assumes a dogmatic "Don't draft a QB high, it's too risky" attitude, it also means missing out on folks like Manning.

The situation is too complex for pat, dogmatic attitudes.

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[quote=skinsfan69;675445]Grossman is terrible. End of discussion. He has to be the worst QB ever to QB a team to a Super Bowl. He's just awful. I honestly would've kept Collins. Even though he's old and slow w/ a noodle arm the guy seems to do well when called upon. Grossman can't handle the center exchage, can't read a defense and throws terrible INT's. He simply played his way out of Chicago. I hope nothing happens to JC.[/quote]

Too sexy for you is he?

Grossman got a bum rap in Chicago, injuries and poor playcalling did him in. He's a better man and player now. Grossman will be just fine as a backup/spot starter/jevan snead mentor

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[quote=SmootSmack;675502][B]Too sexy for you is he?[/B]

Grossman got a bum rap in Chicago, injuries and poor playcalling did him in. He's a better man and player now. Grossman will be just fine as a backup/spot starter/jevan snead mentor[/quote]
Yoda? Yoda, is that you?

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[quote=skinsfan69;675452]The Rams are going to take Bradford, so that leaves Clausen. Is he really worth the 4th overall pick in the draft? I don't think so. Bradford is clearly the more skilled passer. IMO we should try and make a deal w/ Cleveland and trade back.[/quote]

If the Skins don't have a trade scenario with the Rams and they pick Bradford, are you willing to risk seeing if Clausen (whom you say is a more skilled passer) will drop to the second round? I'm betting he won't.

and honestly from what I read and hear Bradford has the most accurate arm. Next in line is McCoy even though his arm strength is significantly weaker then Bradfords.

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Clausen:

[QUOTE]Strengths:
Good height and bulk --- Arm strength is more than adequate and can make all of the necessary throws --- Great throwing mechanics with a quick delivery --- Super accurate passer with terrific touch, timing and anticipation --- Very smart with an excellent football IQ --- Knows how to operate under center, recognize blitzes, read coverages and go through progressions --- Takes care of the ball --- Able to buy time in the pocket with his feet --- Can throw on the run --- Tough and will play through pain and injuries --- Is confident with a fiery field presence and ice water in his veins --- Hard worker --- Media savvy and has proven that he can handle the spotlight --- Experienced --- Superb bloodlines.

Weaknesses:
Borderline cocky and entitled with a personality that rubs some people the wrong way --- Not a great athlete --- Can be overly cautious and too quick to check down, throw the ball away or take a sack --- Has to windup to really zip the ball --- Floats the deep ball at times --- Might not have a ton of upside --- Is still maturing --- Durability is a concern.[/QUOTE]

EDIT: info from Draft Countdown.

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Bradford:

[QUOTE]Strengths:
Prototypical height with a frame that is still filling out --- Very intelligent with a good feel for the game --- Extremely accurate --- Outstanding touch, timing and anticipation --- Quick delivery --- Consistently throws a pretty spiral --- Decent athleticism --- Nice footwork and moves well within in the pocket --- Shows great ball handling ability --- Makes good decisions and takes care of the ball --- Tough and will stand tall against the rush --- Calm and composed --- Very competitive --- A team leader both on and off of the field --- Excellent work ethic --- Super productive.

Weaknesses:
Durability is a huge concern --- Just average arm strength --- Mechanics are not textbook and drops down to three-quarters at times --- Will have to adjust to working from under center --- Must learn to read defenses and go through progressions in a pro style offense --- Does not have a good feel for pressure --- Won't make a lot of plays with his feet --- Limited experience --- Stats were inflated by a spread system.[/QUOTE]

Per Draft Countdown.