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Thread sure has taken a turn

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[quote=JoeRedskin] With that said, ultimately, you believe in a universe that can be explained through finite means and that we, as humans, could fully discover if given enough time. If that is the leap of faith you wish to make - so be it.[/quote]

[quote=tryfuhl;675680]If you're referring to science then I'm not sure why you mention finite means.[/quote]

Because we are finite beings and, as such, try as we might, we cannot fully comprehend the infinite. We have some concepts of infinity but they must be reduced to equations that can be understood by our individual or collective (and finite) brains. For example, we can define the constant ratio of a circle's circumference divided by its diameter as Pi, but, to date, we cannot calculate its exact value. Thus, in science, we inadequately use the finite term "Pi" and its equation to inadequately describe the infinite term that is 3.14159.....

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Yeah, to be clear, no hate towards the believers on the board. Personally, I have some disdain for the large role that religion has played and continues to play in our society, as I see it as a divisive force that can never be definitively ended as everyone clings to their belief system. That disdain sometimes comes out a little too clearly in my views... apologies if any were offended.

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[quote=tryfuhl;675677]I'm more concerned about it in this 1000 years than any other millienium[/quote]

To assert that Christianity or that people working to further their christian beliefs has not created great benefits throughout the last 1000 years is to ignore history. I believe this was my point earlier. I fully accept that both on an individual and corporate basis, religion has been used as a destructive force in this world - I just believe that, on the whole over the last 1000 years, Christianity has brought more good than evil into the world.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;675717]Because we are finite beings and, as such, try as we might, we cannot fully comprehend the infinite. We have some concepts of infinity but they must be reduced to equations that can be understood by our individual or collective (and finite) brains. For example, we can define the constant ratio of a circle's circumference divided by its diameter as Pi, but, to date, we cannot calculate its exact value. Thus, in science, we inadequately use the finite term "Pi" and its equation to inadequately describe the infinite term that is 3.14159.....[/quote]

Speak for yourself. My next gig is going to be designing shrubbery. I can't wait to get off this prison planet.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;675560]The Battle of Hastings, the Normans are descendants of Vikings. Who cares when the Saxons became Christians. Fact is the Irish did not save civilization with one freaking book. You are reaching.

[B]That my friend is called the reason why we don't need those guys in Texas rewriting our history books.[/B]

fundamentalism = over simplification with a few fabrications thrown in there to force logical square pegs into round holes.[/quote]

I never mentioned that book. Don't forget the Chinese were around back then too.

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The Moors? Oh no I'm so sorry, it's the Moops.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;675728]Speak for yourself. [B]My next gig is going to be designing shrubbery[/B]. I can't wait to get off this prison planet.[/quote]

Excuse me, would you happen to be Roger The Shrubber? LOL.

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[quote=schneed10;675735]the moors? Oh no i'm so sorry, it's the moops.[/quote]that's a misprint!!!

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[quote=tryfuhl;675682]On a personal note, with religion in mind, with no new answers in thousands of years I'm not sure what's left to go on.[/quote]

Sorry, the concept that christianity today is in the same state it was in the year 1010 is simply wrong.

What? Are supposed to pop out a new savior every few years?

"SEE THE REINCARNATION PART MCCCV"
THERE'S A NEW SAVIOR IN TOWN AND THIS TIME HE'S GOT ALL THE ANSWERS - INCLUDING THE FINE PRINT.
(Please note, the Answers will be available in pdf format. To download, your computer must have gigabyte memory in excess of the number of digits in PI).

mmmmmmmm... PI......

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;675728]Speak for yourself. My next gig is going to be designing shrubbery. I can't wait to get off this prison planet.[/quote]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;675717]Because we are finite beings and, as such, try as we might, we cannot fully comprehend the infinite. We have some concepts of infinity but they must be reduced to equations that can be understood by our individual or collective (and finite) brains. For example, we can define the constant ratio of a circle's circumference divided by its diameter as Pi, but, to date, we cannot calculate its exact value. Thus, in science, we inadequately use the finite term "Pi" and its equation to inadequately describe the infinite term that is 3.14159.....[/quote]


Speaking of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set"]infinite[/URL] the [URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Mandel_zoom_00_mandelbrot_set.jpg"]Mandelbrot Set[/URL] is amazing.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;675726]To assert that Christianity or that people working to further their christian beliefs has not created great benefits throughout the last 1000 years is to ignore history. I believe this was my point earlier. I fully accept that both on an individual and corporate basis, religion has been used as a destructive force in this world - I just believe that, on the whole over the last 1000 years, Christianity has brought more good than evil into the world.[/quote]
like the carrying or destroying the texts of it's done its good and it's done its bad in history

I don't think that you can quantify good vs bad

how do you measure war?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;675728]Speak for yourself. My next gig is going to be designing shrubbery. I can't wait to get off this prison planet.[/quote]

[IMG]http://blogs.oracle.com/davidchappell/KnightsWhoSayNi.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;675728]Speak for yourself. My next gig is going to be designing shrubbery. [B]I can't wait to get off this prison planet.[/B][/quote]

Why do you have to wait? If you need assistance I'll be glad to help you.

No need to thank me, that's what friends are for.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;675728]I can't wait to get off this prison planet.[/quote]

[quote=Trample the Elderly;674594]I'm not afraid of going back to jail. [/quote]
:silly:

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[quote=tryfuhl;675758][B]like the carrying or destroying the texts of it's done its good and it's done its bad in history[/B]

I don't think that you can quantify good vs bad

how do you measure war?[/quote]

I simply don't understand the first statement. Sorry.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;675796]I simply don't understand the first statement. Sorry.[/quote]

you said that christianity brought more good than evil

I said like the carrying of knowledge as well as the destroying, it's done it on both fronts

I don't see how you can measure/quantify its good vs its bad

war being an example

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wow, yall still at it? Joe Redskin, I wanted to say you win, the Saxons were
Christians before 1066. Although that still does not prove that some monks in Ireland saved a book and therefore saved civilization or something like that? Anyway, your insults are not insults I am not emotionally invested in this discussion. Parting nod

In 616 Æthelbert of Kent died. The kingdom of Kent and the associated Anglo-Saxon kingdoms which Kent had had influence over relapsed into heathenism for several decades.

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[quote=Buster;675262]I said I disagreed with Jefferson's exclusion. I think you just wanted to say "OK, Buster". :)[/quote]

My bad, i kinda got to ranting.

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Anyone have good recipe for pizza dough?

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[quote=saden1;675750]Speaking of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set"]infinite[/URL] the [URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Mandel_zoom_00_mandelbrot_set.jpg"]Mandelbrot Set[/URL] is amazing.[/quote]

That 14 Step zoom sequence halfway down is bad ass! I remember reading a while back about an African village(s) that used fractals in the design layout of their village, clothing patterns, games, etc. The mathematical explanation of fractal geometry is way beyond my ability to understand but I can appreciate it nonetheless.

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Now the goverment is even spying on bald eagles.

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The point is to basically push "statism" to a certain degree. That is why they want to negate Jefferson( a staunch anti federalist), and reinforce the cultural tenants of the Christian Right. Although McCarthy was later to be proven to be on the right side of history in hindsight, they are going to use his example against "traitors" to the state in the 21st century as commies. If you are anti war, pro civil liberties you will be seen as being non American and a pinko commie. It is funny they want to list country music as a major cultural tenant of America and not hip hop. Both play to the lowest base of society and are really nothing more than affirming a mediocre existence, but country usually has a patriotic theme to it, while hip hop tends to be either about materialism or the tough existence living in the inner city.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;675935]The point is to basically push "statism" to a certain degree. That is why they want to negate Jefferson( a staunch anti federalist), and reinforce the cultural tenants of the Christian Right. Although McCarthy was later to be proven to be on the right side of history in hindsight, they are going to use his example against "traitors" to the state in the 21st century as commies. If you are anti war, pro civil liberties you will be seen as being non American and a pinko commie. It is funny they want to list country music as a major cultural tenant of America and not hip hop. Both play to the lowest base of society and are really nothing more than affirming a mediocre existence, but country usually has a patriotic theme to it, while hip hop tends to be either about materialism or the tough existence living in the inner city.[/quote]

Question, if country music and Hip Hop play to the lowest base of society, then what plays to the higher base of society? Or in other words what kinda music do you like?

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I think GusFreotte is not trying to say he is above those genres(maybe he is) but the point is one isnt really above another.

One clearly focuses on whites.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;675935]The point is to basically push "statism" to a certain degree. That is why they want to negate Jefferson( a staunch anti federalist), and reinforce the cultural tenants of the Christian Right. Although McCarthy was later to be proven to be on the right side of history in hindsight, they are going to use his example against "traitors" to the state in the 21st century as commies. If you are anti war, pro civil liberties you will be seen as being non American and a pinko commie. It is funny they want to list country music as a major cultural tenant of America and not hip hop. Both play to the lowest base of society and are really nothing more than affirming a mediocre existence, but country usually has a patriotic theme to it, while hip hop tends to be either about materialism or the tough existence living in the inner city.[/quote]

Damn shame the fed doesn't recall that we created them rather than the other way around.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;675935]The point is to basically push "statism" to a certain degree. That is why they want to negate Jefferson( a staunch anti federalist), and reinforce the cultural tenants of the Christian Right. Although McCarthy was later to be proven to be on the right side of history in hindsight, they are going to use his example against "traitors" to the state in the 21st century as commies. If you are anti war, pro civil liberties you will be seen as being non American and a pinko commie. It is funny they want to list country music as a major cultural tenant of America and not hip hop. [SIZE=4]Both play to the lowest base of society[/SIZE] and are really nothing more than affirming a mediocre existence, but country usually has a patriotic theme to it, while hip hop tends to be either about materialism or the tough existence living in the inner city.[/quote]
Really? So people into country music are the lowest base of society? Not sure where you have been but thats def. not true. I would say that most people who listen to country are the base of Society and this country. You left out that hip hop is also about gangs , violence and drugs.

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Love those sweeping generalizations there FD

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I actually like some country music (Sara Evans! Hellooo nurse)...and I agree it really speaks to patriotism and reflects the foundation of our society. Especially songs like "Tequila makes her clothes fall off" "Naked women and beer" "Takes a whole lotta liquor to love her"

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[quote=firstdown;676033]Really? So people into country music are the lowest base of society? Not sure where you have been but thats def. not true. I would say that most people who listen to country are the base of Society and this country. You left out that hip hop is also about gangs , violence and drugs.[/quote]

and country is about getting too drunk (or do you guys call it jacked up now?), dogs, and tractors.. really who I want basing my society

base of the society lol

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[quote=firstdown;675835]Anyone have good recipe for pizza dough?[/quote]

this was my pizza bible when I started making them

[url=http://www.varasanos.com/PizzaRecipe.htm]Jeff Varasano's NY Pizza Recipe[/url]

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[quote=tryfuhl;676047]and country is about getting too drunk (or do you guys call it jacked up now?), dogs, and tractors.. really who I want basing my society

base of the society lol[/quote]

What's that old joke? What do you get when you play country music backwards? You get your job back, you get your wife back, you get your home back, you sober up

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[quote=SmootSmack;676051]What's that old joke? What do you get when you play country music backwards? You get your job back, you get your wife back, you get your home back, you sober up[/quote]

hahaha.. surprised I never heard that one

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[quote=SmootSmack;676045]I actually like some country music (Sara Evans! [B]Hellooo nurse[/B])...and I agree it really speaks to patriotism and reflects the foundation of our society. Especially songs like "Tequila makes her clothes fall off" "Naked women and beer" "Takes a whole lotta liquor to love her"[/quote]

Animaniacs FTW!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;675366]I wonder if they'll include the fact that Woodrow Wilson sent US troops into Russia to help the Whites defeat the Reds?

Perhaps they'll include the fact that when Columbus Discovered America millions of people were already here?

What form of government do the new school books say the US has: A Democracy, Oligarchy, or perhaps a multi-cultural Socialist utopia?

Are the new books going to be in English or Spanglish? Maybe they can write the new books in Mayan, so everyone will know when the world is going to end?[/quote]

Adding to that: Where in ANY textbook, have you seen any documentation of the American Holocaust? Specifically the obliteration of the Native American Indian? The "christian" settlers had no problem murdering, raping and pillaging an entire race of people in the name of "god" ...or heck, maybe it was just a land grab..Either way, you won't find it in any text book.
Also, just for goofs, Paul Revere never rode yelling "The british are coming". That is just one of THOUSANDS of historical fabrications and myths. Its good drama lacking any basis in fact.

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[quote=firstdown;675835]Anyone have good recipe for pizza dough?[/quote]
My local pizza place has given me some dough from time to time...never hurts to ask.

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[quote=dblanch66;676087]Adding to that: Where in ANY textbook, have you seen any documentation of the American Holocaust? Specifically the obliteration of the Native American Indian? The "christian" settlers had no problem murdering, raping and pillaging an entire race of people in the name of "god" ...or heck, maybe it was just a land grab..Either way, you won't find it in any text book.
Also, just for goofs, Paul Revere never rode yelling "The british are coming". That is just one of THOUSANDS of historical fabrications and myths. Its good drama lacking any basis in fact.[/quote]

True, but the Indians weren't exactly the saints who were one with nature that Hollywood paints them as either.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;675935] That is why they want to negate Jefferson( a staunch anti federalist), [/quote]


doh! its james madison.

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[quote=over the mountain;676132]umm . .. . jefferson is literally the poster boy for the federalist society. his bust is the federalist's society's insignia.

im not going to get into it, i had enough time arguing politics in law school, [B]but the federalist stand for local government and limited federal[/B]/nat'l gov't. justice scalia is a federalist.[/quote]

Hmm . . . I thought that was the complete other way around. I thought Hamilton was a Federalist and Jefferson was an anti-federalist. From what I've studied they all wanted a central / republic form of government but argued about the powers that it should have.

I assumed that the Texans want Jefferson out because they're RINOs. Limited government stands against what the Roosevelt wing of the party wants for the US.