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^^ I was with you until you posted that.

Poor guy is fighting his guts out on that run.

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BHA you really think AH is that dumb? That he can press a coach to change his entire defensive formation? Come on man.

Also why break his work out regimen to come here for 3 days of voluntary workouts? Why not train where he feels best for him, rather than a place that would only hinder him?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;700124]This "debate" really has ended up like the JC debate: the haters continually put out their reasons for hating, assuming that the non-haters need to be convinced, meanwhile the non-haters tend to agree with the basic principles of the haters while maintaining a positive overall view.
As it relates to this AH subject: I imagine 0% of the Warpath thinks AH is doing the best thing by staying away.

BUT, the haters group takes his staying away and makes argument after argument as to why this proves the absolute stupidity of a) AH, b) the FO, c) both, and vilifies everything that does not fit in their idea of the right move

AND, the non-haters group gets put in the corner of defending a) AH, b) the FO, c) both when in reality most non-haters are agreeable to the fact that both sides to one degree or another are at fault, but they hold off on pure condemnation.

Thus neither side gets the true capitulation it needs, and the debate can never really be resolved.[/quote]

Well said. I often find myself defending a player even though I don't neccessarily feel he's completely innocent of criticism, just because of the wild accusations thrown at him based on speculation.

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[quote=Mattyk;700127]^^ I was with you until you posted that.

Poor guy is fighting his guts out on that run.[/quote]

Yeah, i thought it fit but I understand your sentiment.

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[quote=hooskins;700129]BHA you really think AH is that dumb? That he can press a coach to change his entire defensive formation? Come on man.

[B]Also why break his work out regimen to come here for 3 days of voluntary workouts? [/B]Why not train where he feels best for him, rather than a place that would only hinder him?[/quote]Because every other teammate is there, there's a new coaching staff, and new system being implemented. The 3-day camp is a lot more about implementing scheme and coaches evaluations of players than physical workouts.

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[quote=Ruhskins;700120]I think the bitter girlfriends group need to write Roger Goodell and ask him to outlaw voluntary camps, and make all camps, OTAs, and workout sessions mandatory. I think this would solve this, and any problem.

On a serious note, I think this would not be a bad idea. I find "voluntary" sessions to be stupid, and the commotion they create in the media and fans is even worst.[/quote]I know where it came from, but I don't get the whole bitter girlfriend thing. At the core, this is about "who do you want in the foxhole with you". The 50+ guys who made sacrifices to be at the voluntary workouts to make the team better, or the one selfish a-hole who didn't.

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Well SS33 I guess thats the place where we will have to agree to disagree.

I really think 3 days dont matter, and wont really help the team work and communicate that much better. Teammates can be a bit frustrated working all day, rather than being at home and carry that frustration to a reporter via selected quotes. That doesnt mean, like Cooley said, that he wont come here and ball.

No one will care then.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;700112]i still don't understand why some people reason this way. If being in the best possible condition is the argument, then Haynesworth skipping voluntary workouts to work with his own physical trainer is understandable. However, failing to travel to DC for [I]three days [/I]for a team minicamp is not. Its not like 3 days away from his trainer would ruin this whole offseason workout regimine.

If Haynesworth really wanted to do what was best for both himself and the redskins, he would either:
1) be at all the team OTAs, or
2) work out on his own and come to all the minicamps.

[B]Why is it so hard to accept the obvious - Haynesworth was not at minicamp because he is pissed with the team, does not like how they plan to use him, and is trying to force a trade (or perhaps pressure the skins into sticking with a 4-3).[/B][/quote]

Dude, seriously stop making shit up. Every day you make up shit about Haynesworth and you state it as if it is an obvious fact. It is not.

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Occam's Razor

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;700137]I know where it came from, but I don't get the whole bitter girlfriend thing. At the core, this is about "who do you want in the foxhole with you". The 50+ guys who made sacrifices to be at the voluntary workouts to make the team better, or the one selfish a-hole who didn't.[/quote]

So you want the Redskins to build a roster based on attendance and being a good boyscout as opposed to skill and play on the field? Not me.
You talk about who you want in the foxhole with you. Look at who was the only ballsy Redskin that ran to DeAngelo Halls defense when NY Giants Beatty and Jacobs tried to jack up DeAngelo. AH. No other Redskins player on the field had the guts to defend their teammate. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1JKgOJpohU]YouTube - Giants fight[/ame]

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The fact that we were 4-12 last season automatically makes voluntary camp mandatory. Especially since we have a new defensive coordinator

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[quote=GridIron26;700067][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/05/cooley_is_tired_of_haynesworth.html"]D.C. Sports Bog - Cooley is tired of Haynesworth talk[/URL]

On Haynesworth:[/quote]
Yeah I listened to that interview and agree.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;700124]This "debate" really has ended up like the JC debate: the haters continually put out their reasons for hating, assuming that the non-haters need to be convinced, meanwhile the non-haters tend to agree with the basic principles of the haters while maintaining a positive overall view.
As it relates to this AH subject: I imagine 0% of the Warpath thinks AH is doing the best thing by staying away.

BUT, the haters group takes his staying away and makes argument after argument as to why this proves the absolute stupidity of a) AH, b) the FO, c) both, and vilifies everything that does not fit in their idea of the right move

AND, the non-haters group gets put in the corner of defending a) AH, b) the FO, c) both when in reality most non-haters are agreeable to the fact that both sides to one degree or another are at fault, but they hold off on pure condemnation.

Thus neither side gets the true capitulation it needs, and the debate can never really be resolved.[/quote]

Why you hatin so much?

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[quote=hooskins;700129]BHA you really think AH is that dumb? That he can press a coach to change his entire defensive formation? Come on man.

Also why break his work out regimen to come here for 3 days of voluntary workouts? Why not train where he feels best for him, rather than a place that would only hinder him?[/quote]

why do you think a minicamp is the same as a workout.

i dont know about AH being dumb, but I do actually think he is self-centered enough to beleive that the team should cater to what he thinks makes him the most effective player.

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[quote=Defensewins;700144]Dude, seriously stop making shit up. Every day you make up shit about Haynesworth and you state it as if it is an obvious fact. It is not.[/quote]

it is obvious. if someone can come up with a logical explaination for all of haynesworth's offseason behavior, that also fits with what we know of him as a player in his entire professional career, i'd love to hear it. so far, everyone just says florio and JLC are making crap up for the fun of it, without providing a plausible explaination for AH's behavior. sorry, but i'm not that gullible.

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[quote=Ruhskins;700114]And it is hard to understand why you think this is a big deal. But then again, if he is "forcing" the team to stick to the 4-3, actually I'd be all for that because I believe our team has no business being in the 3-4.

Everything that has come directly from Haynesworth himself says that he is not thrilled with the 3-4, but he'll play it. He also wishes they'd use him as a 3-4 DE and not a NT, which I agree. Is he trying to push for a trade? Probably, but it'd be smart for the team to keep him because given the perception of a problem (it is my believe) the team won't get a fair compensation.

Personally, I'd like to see this team use their players better. If this were any other player, we'd be having a discussion about this whole change to the 3-4, whether we should do it, and why do we keep having coaches that don't use their players to the best of their capacity. But since it's Haynesworth, the bitter girlfriends just keep hounding on just him being absent.[/quote]

only a complete fool will take anything haynesworth, his agent, or the redskins front office says about the situation at face value Remember, they all said Snyder was meeting with Speck to talk about Malcom Kelly.

If you consider the possibility that Haynesworth really DOES want to be traded, and the team is still open to the possibility, then everyone's behavior makes compete sense. In that scenario, everyone would be acting exactly as they are. Actions speak louder than words. In light of what we know, the scenario that makes the most sense is that Haynesworth wants out.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;700170]it is obvious. if someone can come up with a logical explaination for all of haynesworth's offseason behavior, that also fits with what we know of him as a player in his entire professional career, i'd love to hear it. so far, everyone just says florio and JLC are making crap up for the fun of it, without providing a plausible explaination for AH's behavior. sorry, but i'm not that gullible.[/quote]

All his offseason behavior? What is he doing besides working out on his own?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;700175]only a complete fool will take anything haynesworth, his agent, or the redskins front office says about the situation at face value Remember, they all said Snyder was meeting with Speck to talk about Malcom Kelly.

If you consider the possibility that Haynesworth really DOES want to be traded, and the team is still open to the possibility, then everyone's behavior makes compete sense. In that scenario, everyone would be acting exactly as they are. Actions speak louder than words. In light of what we know, the scenario that makes the most sense is that Haynesworth wants out.[/quote]

Well the media swore we were getting Peppers, but we all know how that turned out. I'm just a fool that thinks somewhat logically, instead of basing my comments on wishful thinking or some pissy grudge against a player.

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[quote=Ruhskins;700114]And it is hard to understand why you think this is a big deal. But then again, if he is "forcing" the team to stick to the 4-3, actually I'd be all for that because I believe our team has no business being in the 3-4.

Everything that has come directly from Haynesworth himself says that he is not thrilled with the 3-4, but he'll play it. He also wishes they'd use him as a 3-4 DE and not a NT, which I agree. Is he trying to push for a trade? Probably, but it'd be smart for the team to keep him because given the perception of a problem (it is my believe) the team won't get a fair compensation.

Personally, I'd like to see this team use their players better. If this were any other player, we'd be having a discussion about this whole change to the 3-4, whether we should do it, and why do we keep having coaches that don't use their players to the best of their capacity. But since it's Haynesworth, the bitter girlfriends just keep hounding on just him being absent.[/quote]

I agree...... and all this bashing Haynesworth started after Shanahan came aboard and voiced his displeasure about him not being here for voluntary work. There was not a single thread condemning Haynesworth between the end of last season and the time Shanahan came to Washington, and even he has not exactly walked on water just yet.

Haynesworth's not being here now is more an indictment against the team's poorly run training program last year which only a few want to talk about, and which prompted him to plan another option before the general arrived that he felt was going to help him better his performance.

I would challenge anyone to show documentation (video) or a statement coming from the mouth of Haynesworth where he actually stated he wanted to be traded, or where he didn't want to play the N/T position in a 3-4 defensive alignment. I heard him state his preference, nothing more or less. Mind you, I'm not talking about what somebody said or what has been widely reported in the media. Much of the negative reporting surrounding Haynesworth has proven to be pure conjecture, based on mindless premature judgement and speculation.

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[quote=SmootSmack;700185]All his offseason behavior? What is he doing besides working out on his own?[/quote]
lol seriously

BHA can really run with stuff

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;700137]I know where it came from, but I don't get the whole bitter girlfriend thing. At the core, this is about "who do you want in the foxhole with you". The 50+ guys who made sacrifices to be at the voluntary workouts to make the team better, or the one selfish a-hole who didn't.[/quote]

I don't know about a foxhole, but on the field I want the best players playing in the position that suits them the best. Personally, I don't think being at voluntary work outs is a sacrifice, but I do understand why it would be good to have everyone at these voluntary workouts.

Outside of his injuries, Shawn Springs missed a number of voluntary camps/workouts, and I'm sure a lot of people would have wanted him in the foxhole.

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well, as a great cartoon once said, theres more than meets the eye.

while right now AH's biggest indictment is his decision to work out on his own, i did read a wash po article yesterday where it talked about how at a practice towards last seasons end AH stopped practicing b/c he said he had a hurt ankle. other players said that same day they were practicing with torn tendons and 3 cracked ribs.

those kind of things add up.

and he was dismissed from team practice last year for showing up late. i wonder how much the decision to send AH home that day was due to isolated incident of being late or the teams culmination of frustration with his perceived laziness and lack of dedication throughout that year.

last year SS you said there was no proof that snyder was meddling and that you know he is not. then it comes out that snyder was meeting with the HC every friday before games and having weekly lunchs with AH. (i dont not want to rehas a DS argument here, he has by all accounts stopped doing what he was doing, even allen said those lunches are not going to happen again)

My point is it is my opinion that the skins FO is frustrated and disappointed with AH for more than just his decision to work out on his own.

just like snyder's meddling, we dont get all the info at once and i imagine efforts are made to not have negative info come out.

we are getting little droplets of info here and there and the bucket is filling fast.

credskins -well put on that post a page or so back.

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[quote=Longtimefan;700190]I agree...... and all this bashing Haynesworth started after Shanahan came aboard and voiced his displeasure about him not being here for voluntary work. There was not a single thread condemning Haynesworth between the end of last season and the time Shanahan came to Washington, and even he has not exactly walked on water just yet.

Haynesworth's not being here now is more an indictment against the team's poorly run training program last year which only a few want to talk about, and which prompted him to plan another option before the general arrived that he felt was going to help him better his performance.

I would challenge anyone to show documentation (video) or a statement coming from the mouth of Haynesworth where he actually stated he wanted to be traded, or where he didn't want to play the N/T position in a 3-4 defensive alignment. I heard him state his preference, nothing more or less. Mind you, I'm not talking about what somebody said or what has been widely reported in the media. Much of the negative reporting surrounding Haynesworth has proven to be pure conjecture, based on mindless premature judgement and speculation.[/quote]

All Haynesworth has said is that he'd prefer to play DE in the 3-4, because he feels that he'd be more useful and effective. However, he has also said that he'd play whatever the coaches tell him to play.

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Yeah Haynesworth may very well want to be traded but his actions right now don't warrant the kind of blow back that he's getting. I understand it's a new system it's important for him to be here, he's the only player who isn't but last season this guy bought into everything the coaching staff and trainers were selling, he did the OTA's he did the offseason conditioning program he took everything Zorn's staff was selling. What did he end up doing?

He was out of shape, under utilized when he was on the field and injured (possibly b/c Zorn's staff was clueless when it came to conditioning these guys). I don't question his desire to go with what he knows will work for him and that is training with his guys. I realize this is a new staff and Wright is the new conditioning guy but bottom line is there are some familiar faces on that training staff and Haynesworth may not be thrilled about working with them and if he stays in Tennessee and gets into great shape and comes in here and plays like the player he has shown that he can be then the speculation and the criticisms are for nothing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;700185]All his offseason behavior? What is he doing besides working out on his own?[/quote]

-dissing donovan mcnabb, phillip daniels, and other players who have reached out to him.
-telling close associates that he wants to play for minnesota
- leaking that the only requirement he had when he was a free agent that his agent only negotiate with 4-3 teams
-privately turning his nose up at the idea of playing in the 3-4 while pubically saying he'll do whatever he's asked to do (except show up at minicamps and OTAs of course)

Also, i question whether he is really training "hard" on his own. Haynesworth has only "dominated" in contract years and this is playing in a system that let him do pretty much whatever he wanted to do. now, why on earth would a guy whose actions show he's primarily concerned about money, train really hard to be in great shape to play in a defense he hates? He just got a huge check and, at this point, haynesworth's best shot at getting more future cash will come from another team. given everything i've read about Haynesworth, he'll give a half-assed effort (at best) if hes playing in washington in 2010. he simply has no motivation (from his POV) to do anything else.

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[quote=Ruhskins;700201]All Haynesworth has said is that he'd prefer to play DE in the 3-4, because he feels that he'd be more useful and effective. However, he has also said that he'd play whatever the coaches tell him to play.[/quote]

and george bush said there were WMDs in iraq. only fools beleive everything public figures say at face value. the vast majority of people will lie if its to their strategic advantage, especially when the stakes are high. haynesworth would be saying exactly what he's saying whether he wants to play in the 3-4 or whether he wants out of town.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;700205]and george bush said there were WMDs in iraq. only fools beleive everything public figures say at face value. the vast majority of people will lie if its to their strategic advantage, especially when the stakes are high. haynesworth would be saying exactly what he's saying whether he wants to play in the 3-4 or whether he wants out of town.[/quote]

One should also not get too carried away with hearsay and rumors. A lot of assuming is going on when it comes to the AH situation.

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[quote=over the mountain;700200]well, as a great cartoon once said, theres more than meets the eye.

while right now AH's biggest indictment is his decision to work out on his own, i did read a wash po article yesterday where it talked about how at a practice towards last seasons end AH stopped practicing b/c he said he had a hurt ankle. other players said that same day they were practicing with torn tendons and 3 cracked ribs.

those kind of things add up.

and he was dismissed from team practice last year for showing up late. i wonder how much the decision to send AH home that day was due to isolated incident of being late or the teams culmination of frustration with his perceived laziness and lack of dedication throughout that year.

last year SS you said there was no proof that snyder was meddling and that you know he is not. then it comes out that snyder was meeting with the HC every friday before games and having weekly lunchs with AH. (i dont not want to rehas a DS argument here, he has by all accounts stopped doing what he was doing, even allen said those lunches are not going to happen again)

My point is it is my opinion that the skins FO is frustrated and disappointed with AH for more than just his decision to work out on his own.

just like snyder's meddling, we dont get all the info at once and i imagine efforts are made to not have negative info come out.

we are getting little droplets of info here and there and the bucket is filling fast.

credskins -well put on that post a page or so back.[/quote]

just another example of why we can't take the reports we hear at face value. whether its "pro-" or "anti-haynesworth." with an isolated incident, it makese sense to give someone the benefit of the doubt and believe what they say. however, when a person is saying one thing, but it doesn't fit the overall picture, you have to question what you hear. its entirely possible that Haynesworth is truly happy and excited about the 3-4, is ready to do whatever the coaches ask, and is staying in tennessee because he wants to be with his family and his personal trainer told him his entire offseason of work would be ruined by attending a 3-day minicamp. yeah. uh-huh.

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[quote=redskins121684;700202]Yeah Haynesworth may very well want to be traded but his actions right now don't warrant the kind of blow back that he's getting. I understand it's a new system it's important for him to be here, he's the only player who isn't but last season this guy bought into everything the coaching staff and trainers were selling, he did the OTA's he did the offseason conditioning program he took everything Zorn's staff was selling. What did he end up doing?

He was out of shape, under utilized when he was on the field and injured (possibly b/c Zorn's staff was clueless when it came to conditioning these guys). I don't question his desire to go with what he knows will work for him and that is training with his guys. I realize this is a new staff and Wright is the new conditioning guy but bottom line is there are some familiar faces on that training staff and Haynesworth may not be thrilled about working with them and if he stays in Tennessee and gets into great shape and comes in here and plays like the player he has shown that he can be then the speculation and the criticisms are for nothing.[/quote]

Welcome! to TWP.........You definitely have the right idea, admire your optimism.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;700205]and george bush said there were WMDs in iraq. only fools beleive everything public figures say at face value. the vast majority of people will lie if its to their strategic advantage, especially when the stakes are high. haynesworth would be saying exactly what he's saying whether he wants to play in the 3-4 or whether he wants out of town.[/quote]

Both sides are unreliable period. I just tend to stick with has been said by Haynesworth and Shanahan regarding this situation, unless something else comes out from either of these two sources. In the end, Mike Florio and Jason LaCanfora and anybody else out there that you are following word by word are just secondary sources.

Unless Haynesworth comes out and says that he wants to be traded or Shanahan says that they want to trade Haynesworth, all you are doing is speculating just like these other guys. While I don't agree with Haynesworth's actions, unlike you, I don't think this is all a big deal.

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[quote=Mattyk;700206]One should also not get too carried away with hearsay and rumors. A lot of assuming is going on when it comes to the AH situation.[/quote]

i dont think the hearsay and rumors are any more trustworthy inofthemselves than the official public statements by the redskins or haynesworth. i just feel like haynesworth's public statements don't fit the bigger picture as well. as i keep saying, actions speak louder than words. in the end, we won't know for sure until everything is said and done. if haynesworth is traded or becomes a problem on- or off- the field for the team this year, we'll have our definative answer. if he shows up for mandatory activities and dominates during the regular season when it matters, then that will be our answer too. but if that happens, i'll allow you all to pick a humiliating avatar/sig/ID and assign it to me indefinately. :)

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;700213][B]i dont think the hearsay and rumors are any more trustworthy inofthemselves than the official public statements by the redskins or haynesworth.[/B] i just feel like haynesworth's public statements don't fit the bigger picture as well. as i keep saying, actions speak louder than words. in the end, we won't know for sure until everything is said and done. if haynesworth is traded or becomes a problem on- or off- the field for the team this year, we'll have our definative answer. if he shows up for mandatory activities and dominates during the regular season when it matters, then that will be our answer too. but if that happens, i'll allow you all to pick a humiliating avatar/sig/ID and assign it to me indefinately. :)[/quote]

So why do you seem to be siding more with the rumors?

The truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.

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[quote=Ruhskins;700201]All Haynesworth has said is that he'd prefer to play DE in the 3-4, because he feels that he'd be more useful and effective. However, he has also said that he'd play whatever the coaches tell him to play.[/quote]

And you don't sound like a fool for saying it!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;700212]Both sides are unreliable period. I just tend to stick with has been said by Haynesworth and Shanahan regarding this situation, unless something else comes out from either of these two sources. In the end, Mike Florio and Jason LaCanfora and anybody else out there that you are following word by word are just secondary sources.

Unless Haynesworth comes out and says that he wants to be traded or Shanahan says that they want to trade Haynesworth, all you are doing is speculating just like these other guys. While I don't agree with Haynesworth's actions, unlike you, I don't think this is all a big deal.[/quote]

how often to players who've just got a 20MM check from their current employer come out and say they want to be traded? there is some speculation with guys like florio and JLC, but there are also underlying "facts" that they are reporting. Take, for example, the unnamed source close to Haynesworth that said he wanted to play for the Vikings. you can't simply take a statement like that at face value. you have to consider the likelyhood that the source is accurate and, if its not accurate, consider what the unnamed source would have to gain by submitting false information to a member of the media.

ideally, this will all blow over and haynesworth will have a pro-bowl year and be great for the skins for the next 3 years of his contract. if haynesworth weren't the only player skipping minicamp, or he'd publically provided a legitimate reason for not showing up for three days like everyone else, i'd be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Given everything the redskins have done for him, I don't think showing up for a 3-day minicamp (even if he skips the rest of OTAs) is asking too much.

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[quote=Mattyk;700214]So why do you seem to be siding more with the rumors?

The truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.[/quote]

as ive said, the rumors tend to fit more accurately in the bigger picture. however, i do beleive that some of the rumors may be exaggerated or blown out of proportion as information is diluted from one person to the next before it finally gets reported. however, for me, the bottom line is that actions speak louder than words. if haynesworth really wanted to be the best player he could be, he'd be attending mini-camp, even if he worked out on his own. whether haynesworth is actively trying to force a trade or not, his absence from minicamp, without any other plausible explanation, can only be seen as a means of his expressing displeasure with the coaching staff. there is definitely a rift between coaches and haynesworth and, at this point, he doesnt seem interested in fixing it.

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[quote=Mattyk;700214]So why do you seem to be siding more with the rumors?

The truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.[/quote]

In legal terms called, assuming facts not in evidence.

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how in the f did this god damn thread make it to 11 pages?????????

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[quote=mlmdub130;700228]how in the f did this god damn thread make it to 11 pages?????????[/quote]

Because on a daily basis the NFL Network (JLC) and ESPN keep trying to increase their viewership/ratings numbers by creating sensationalistic stories through rumors.
I was astounded a couple of days ago on ESPN TV with a segment lead line that said, "Disgruntled Albert Haynesworth who is rumored to be forcing a trade......" I was floored that this was the first sentence lead in to a segment and it was being reported as fact Then several minutes later into the story comes the disclaimer...'well AH might not be disgruntled and this is rumor and hearsay.' WTF kind of news reporting is this? National Enquirer.
Then guys here on the Warpath swallow it hook line and sinker as fact.
The other example that made me laugh was Jason LaConfora on NFL Newtwork last week. He was on a panel discussing their biggest disappointments of the draft, of course JLC said with a very sour look on his face, 'my biggest disappointment was the Redskins really blew it by not trading trouble maker Haynesworth for a 2nd [B]or [/B]3rd round pick." LOL!
What GM in his right mind would trade a top 5 DT in the NFL for a 2nd or 3rd. Especially when 2nd and 3rd [B]overall [/B]picks in the same draft were unproven DT's that play with the same type of disruptive force. So JLC want us to give up a proven top 5 DT in the NFL for a third round pick? That is stupid.

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[quote=Defensewins;700236]Because on a daily basis the NFL Network (JLC) and ESPN keep trying to increase their viewership/ratings numbers by creating sensationalistic stories through rumors.
I was astounded a couple of days ago on ESPN TV with a segment lead line that said, "Disgruntled Albert Haynesworth who is rumored to be forcing a trade......" I was floored that this was the first sentence lead in to a segment and it was being reported as fact Then several minutes later into the story comes the disclaimer...'well AH might not be disgruntled and this is rumor and hearsay.' WTF kind of news reporting is this? National Enquirer.
Then guys here on the Warpath swallow it hook line and sinker as fact.
The other example that made me laugh was Jason LaConfora on NFL Newtwork last week. He was on a panel discussing their biggest disappointments of the draft, of course JLC said with a very sour look on his face, 'my biggest disappointment was the Redskins really blew it by not trading trouble maker Haynesworth for a 2nd [B]or [/B]3rd round pick." LOL!
What GM in his right mind would trade a top 5 DT in the NFL for a 2nd or 3rd. Especially when 2nd and 3rd [B]overall [/B]picks in the same draft were unproven DT's that play with the same type of disruptive force. So JLC want us to give up a proven top 5 DT in the NFL for a third round pick? That is stupid.[/quote]


I like the examples you cite...... It just serves to further demonstrate what a farce sports journalism has become (or should I say "sports reporting"). With so many outlets providing information it has been reduced to "gossip" as opposed to responsible journalism.

Re: Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly
 

[quote=Ruhskins;700199]I don't know about a foxhole, but on the field [B]I want the best players playing in the position that suits them the best.[/B] Personally, I don't think being at voluntary work outs is a sacrifice, but I do understand why it would be good to have everyone at these voluntary workouts.[/quote]I agree. I'm not a fan of this 3-4 switch either, but whether we're in a 3-4 or 4-3 or nickel or dime or whatever, that has nothing to do with AH being here for the mini-camp.

[quote]Outside of his injuries, Shawn Springs missed a number of voluntary camps/workouts, and I'm sure a lot of people would have wanted him in the foxhole.[/quote]I wouldn't have wanted Springs in a foxhole with me, he's another guy who had different priorities and his teammates weren't at the top of the list. I understand not everyone has the same level of committment, but if you can't make the same committment as 50+ other teammates, that's a "you" problem.