![]() |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/20/report-cowboys-tried-to-get-jammal-brown/]Report: Cowboys tried to get Jammal Brown | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]
Please don't get mad at the messenger. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
NYC why would we shoot the messenger. If anything, it seems as though we got our guy and the cowboys line is not as formidible as they thought.
I love this move. Should Brown be our LT for the season though? I would think it may make more sense to put Brown there over TW. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;707743]NYC why would we shoot the messenger. If anything, it seems as though we got our guy and the cowboys line is not as formidible as they thought.
I love this move. [B]Should Brown be our LT for the season though? I would think it may make more sense to put Brown there over TW[/B].[/quote] Only problem is we didn't draft T. Williams to be a RT at #4 especially when he's gonna get a chestload of money (bad investment). Also Brown will be rusty since he's been out for a year but if he looks better at LT than T. Williams @ Training Camp I'd think about a swap but I wouldn't rush it. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=GridIron26;707738]You guys are right, we are doing "almost" exactly same thing what we always have done, however, with a very different regime.. Allen and Shanny make much smarter choices than Vinny and Snyder.. And not to mention, Snyder isn't involved with all of those moves.. It's becoming obvious Allen and Shanny want to win now or soon, so they are making those kind of choices.. I am not saying that because we have Allen and Shanny, we are guaranteed to good season with all new additions, but that we have better chance of being successful.. Don't forget we still have Haynesworth, if we could trade him then we probably would get 3rd round for him.. Pretty a good trade, Brown for Haynesworth..
Since we are in different Redskins era now, we don't really know what to expect because the whole system from up to bottom, on & off field is different. I am in 'wait and see' mode..[/quote] I really don't think this signing is anywhere similar to any big time signings in the past. Now, one could argue that we are still trading future picks for players, which is similar to what the previous regime did. However, in this situation I think this is understandable given the poor shape of the offense and the mess that this front office has to clean. Still, this is still a gamble by the FO and I truly hope this works out. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=vallin21;707745]Only problem is we didn't draft T. Williams to be a RT at #4 especially when he's gonna get a chestload of money (bad investment). Also Brown will be rusty since he's been out for a year but if he looks better at LT than T. Williams @ Training Camp I'd think about a swap but I wouldn't rush it.[/quote]
Agreed on the money part of the situation, but I would also add I don't think if he starts on the right that he would stay there. He is our LT of the future, and I would assume that Bruce let Jamaal B. know this when we aquired him. It is all about the competition though so I am sure that KS and MS will have our best LT playing that spot when we take the field against Ware and the cowboys on Sept 12. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=JoeRedskin;707684]Well, that F'ing sucks!!!
Brown failed his physical. Jammal's hip injury apparently worse than was let on. [url=http://www.yougotrickrolled.com/]ESPN: Brown fails physical, trade to Redskins nixed[/url][/quote] before looking at anything I am guessing this is a trick by JR. He got me once on a Samuels note, but this time I am saying no. Now to click the link and keep my fingers crossed that he was bluffing. note I see by the url in the advanced page I was right... You can't get me no more JR! |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;707743]NYC why would we shoot the messenger. If anything, it seems as though we got our guy and the cowboys line is not as formidible as they thought.
I love this move. Should Brown be our LT for the season though? I would think it may make more sense to put Brown there over TW.[/quote] The reason why i said don't shoot the messneger was because i got the info of Profootballtalk which quite a few members don't rate(like). |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=NYCskinfan82;707756]The reason why i said don't shoot the messneger was because i got the info of Profootballtalk which quite a few members don't rate(like).[/quote]
Well, I always get around that by posting whatever news story the quoted as a source. Honestly I feel they are good at being a hub where you can find other news stories, but they suck when they are the main source of the news, rumor, etc., etc. Honestly, sometimes they way Florio and his ppl talk about players, makes you wonder if they like football at all. Sometimes the sound so hateful when talking about players (i.e. when they drop the F bomb talking about Clinto Portis). |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
I think this move will help in the Westbrook situation.
|
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=GridIron26;707738]You guys are right, we are doing "almost" exactly same thing what we always have done, however, with a very different regime.. [B]Allen and Shanny make much smarter choices than Vinny and Snyder.. [/B]And not to mention, Snyder isn't involved with all of those moves.. It's becoming obvious Allen and Shanny want to win now or soon, so they are making those kind of choices.. I am not saying that because we have Allen and Shanny, we are guaranteed to good season with all new additions, but that we have better chance of being successful.. Don't forget we still have Haynesworth, if we could trade him then we probably would get 3rd round for him.. Pretty a good trade, Brown for Haynesworth..
Since we are in different Redskins era now, we don't really know what to expect because the whole system from up to bottom, on & off field is different. I am in 'wait and see' mode..[/quote] The moves look good now but we won't know the end result until the season starts. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
Brown was going to have to compete w/ a 4th round pick from Towson....that football powerhouse north of Baltimore. How in the world would New Orleans know what they had in Jermond Bushrod if he never got a chance to play? Now this 4th round pick from Towson is protecting Drew Bress' blindside. Amazing...
|
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
LT Williams
LG Dockery C Rabach...ugh... RG Hicks RT Brown My prediction...other than Rabach at Center...excellent line. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=Buster;707798]LT Williams
LG Dockery C Rabach...ugh... RG Hicks RT Brown My prediction...other than Rabach at Center...excellent line.[/quote] Would you sign Mawae? Old but solid talent. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=CRedskinsRule;707806]Would you sign Mawae? Old but solid talent.[/quote]
To replace Rabach? Definitely. Old and solid > Old and Rabach |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=skinsfan69;707792]The moves look good now but we won't know the end result until the season starts.[/quote]
At this point, this is my biggest fear: The Regular Season (Jaws theme playing in background) We have seen many off-seasons come and go, each with its own hype and hope. Everything looks SOOOO much more organized/professional/right track etc. BUT it's still off season. I can't wait till we see this team take the field, and hopefully we get to see a meaningful season. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=Buster;707811]To replace Rabach? Definitely.
Old and solid > Old and Rabach[/quote] I really wonder if the FO is even looking at him. I would absolutely be happy to see him on the team for a reasonable salary... |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
Anyone think this could be a problem under the current regime:
"Bushrod also is viewed as a good locker room guy. Brown didn’t have that reputation with the Saints and his conditioning sometimes had been an issue." [url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/10764/saints-trade-of-brown-now-done]Saints' trade of Brown now done - NFC South Blog - ESPN[/url] Just from what I've seen in how Shanahan appears to handle players (say the right thing, seemingly require the right things), I think it will become a non-issue. Under the past regime, a player like this would have been aquired at a higher cost and then allowed to "have his way". I get the feeling Shanny is very much a "put up or get the hell out" kind of guy. Again, to me, it is the culture change that seems the most obvious. Yes, I know Shanny has his limitations. Yes, I know he has an ego the size of Alaska. Yes, he D's have not been anything to write home about and he is making a fundamental change in the way the Skins play defense. But, love or hate the switch to a hybrid 3-4, it just seems that there is a plan in place. (Let's sign 3 or 4 guys to play NT in case AH becomes a problem, lets see if we can get some quality talent at without crippling our cap or our ability to start stocking through the draft). All this while Allen is rebuilding ties with the players who remember what winning is all about. To me, this move is just the latest in a plan. Finally, there is method rather than just madness. We may not win 10 games this year (although we might if T. Williams pans out and the interior lineman are able to play with consistency - i.e. same guys week in and week out), but, for the first time in three or four years, I am feeling good about our O-line. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
Of course, I love the trade and cant't believe we got him at such a bargain price. However, i'm somewhat concerned that 2010 will be his only season with the team. He views himself as a LT (probably rightly so) and we're bringing him here to play RT. Early reports were that no contract would be worked out soon. I'm guessing Brown's going to make the pro-bowl at RT this year and enter free agency so he can collect LT money. Even if we offered him LT money to play RT, I honestly don't know if he would take it.
The "best case" scenario for us would be for be for Williams to struggle early on and get moved to RT. Then, with Brown at LT, we could negotiate an extension where he'd be an LT making LT money. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
I am more concerned about Jammal being healthy thatn the contract.
Jammal Brwon has had a year off of football due to injury. He has had plenty of time to get in shape. If he is not in great shape at this point, I worry about his work ethic. His history of injury in the NFL is a concern. Is he recovered from his hip and hernia injuries? Did he work hard in rehab? |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
I don't know about this one? I like my draft picks. We'll see.
|
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
I really liked the Selvish Capers pickup in the 7th, but I realize that a 7th rounder isn't a guaranteed producer, so we get Brown for this year at least, and it
a - solidifies our line b - gives a backup plan if TW doesn't step up as a left tackle c - gives us time, maybe 1 but possibly 2-3 years to develop Capers and Heyer(although I expect he will be an early cut if he even makes it to training camp). all at the cost of a 2-3 round drop in next year's draft. I really like this move. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[QUOTE=Trample the Elderly;707835]I don't know about this one? I like my draft picks. We'll see.[/QUOTE]
So do I. BUT- I also like my QB upright and not paying too much. Really, if VC had made the aquisitions that Shanny did (Donovan and Brown), we probably would not have a 1st or 2nd in 2010. Remember when they traded for a pick in order to have the necessary pick sign a restrictive free agent (I think it was Chad Morton). While I thought VC actually did okay in ID'ing talent - flame away, but it's my opinion and discussed ad nauseum in older threads - he almost always overvalued it. Thus, even the one decent skill he had was compromised. Getting a pro-bowl quality Tackle (left or right) for a 3rd or 4th round pick is good solid pick-up. Remember, we were all thinking this would take a 2nd rounder to go through. Honestly, and IMO, if we can get a 3rd for AH at this point, it is just a huge win for us. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=Defensewins;707827]I am more concerned about Jammal being healthy thatn the contract.
Jammal Brwon has had a year off of football due to injury. He has had plenty of time to get in shape. If he is not in great shape at this point, I worry about his work ethic. His history of injury in the NFL is a concern. Is he recovered from his hip and hernia injuries? Did he work hard in rehab?[/quote] I'm quite the opposite. I'm not even remotely concerned about his health or work ethic. In the three years prior to last year, he started 15 games a year. And i don't think hernias or hip injuries typically have lingering effects. Brown said in an interview he has been fully recovered since before the playoffs began last year and if he hadn't been IRed, he'd have been good to go. I've also never read anything about him that would imply he has a questionable work ethic. From a character perspective, this guy seems like Chris Samuels 2.0. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
Well, if Mcnabb has a 2-3 year window of playing at a high level, why not make moves that will make us better immediately and for the next few years.
Honestly, i dont know if we can wait to draft and develop our entire O line when our starting QB is 33-34 years old. in the NFL it seems you have to plan to win today or at the very least tommorrow. This addition, if healthy, moves us one step closer to fielding a competitve team for the next 3 years that Mcnabb is at the helm. unless we draft or pick up a legit apprentice for mcnabb, i think a plan to win to win the SB in the next 3 years is the way to go in light of the mcnabb addition. i just hope mcnabb can run and execute kyle and shannys playbook and command a professional huddle, which i am taking as a given. if its not, it doesnt really matter who we have blocking or running the ball. it seems apparent to me that we are not in a rebuild mode. with the addition of mcnabb, a competent qb, it gives us a chance to win if we can put into place the right peices before mcnabb starts his decline. 2nd & future 3rd/4th rounder for a qb future 3rd/4th rounder for a tackle swap of 5ths for a DT the FO is trading building blocks for the future (5 years from now) for players who can help win now. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=skinsfan69;707792]The moves look good now but we won't know the end result until the season starts.[/quote]
Wow, thank you Captain Obvious... |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
jeffduncantp
Brown/Shockey similarities: Both Pro Bowlers; both injured during teams' SB wins; both reunited w/coaches who drafted them in trades.#Saints 5 minutes ago via TweetDeck Retweeted by FO_DougFarrar |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;707824]Of course, I love the trade and cant't believe we got him at such a bargain price. However, i'm somewhat concerned that 2010 will be his only season with the team. He views himself as a LT (probably rightly so) and we're bringing him here to play RT. Early reports were that no contract would be worked out soon. I'm guessing Brown's going to make the pro-bowl at RT this year and enter free agency so he can collect LT money. Even if we offered him LT money to play RT, I honestly don't know if he would take it.
The "best case" scenario for us would be for be for Williams to struggle early on and get moved to RT. Then, with Brown at LT, we could negotiate an extension where he'd be an LT making LT money.[/quote] RT's don't get voted to the Pro Bowl. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
anybody think they'll play him at LT and move TW over to RT? at least until he gets his feet wet?
|
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
This looks like a great move. I have reserved enthusiasm. There have been many offseason moves that looked great at first, but ended up being busts. I hate to be skeptical but history is not favorable for the Redskins. I like the way the offensive line is shaping up. I just want to see production on the field.
|
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=Angry;707868]RT's don't get voted to the Pro Bowl.[/quote]
Do they volunteer? I recall being at the Pro Bowl in February and I'm pretty sure I saw RT playing in the game. If they don't get voted to the Pro Bowl, how do they determine who plays? |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=JoeRedskin;707838]So do I. BUT- I also like my QB upright and not paying too much. Really, if VC had made the aquisitions that Shanny did (Donovan and Brown), we probably would not have a 1st or 2nd in 2010. Remember when they traded for a pick in order to have the necessary pick sign a restrictive free agent (I think it was Chad Morton).
While I thought VC actually did okay in ID'ing talent - flame away, but it's my opinion and discussed ad nauseum in older threads - he almost always overvalued it. Thus, even the one decent skill he had was compromised. Getting a pro-bowl quality Tackle (left or right) for a 3rd or 4th round pick is good solid pick-up. Remember, we were all thinking this would take a 2nd rounder to go through. Honestly, and IMO, if we can get a 3rd for AH at this point, it is just a huge win for us.[/quote] I hear what you're saying. You'll not get any lip from me about getting lineman. McNabb can't do squat doing the Brunnell / Campbell shuffle. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=Paintrain;707879]Do they volunteer? I recall being at the Pro Bowl in February and I'm pretty sure I saw RT playing in the game. If they don't get voted to the Pro Bowl, how do they determine who plays?[/quote]
There's no differentiation. It's just tackles on the ballot. The top left tackles always go to Hawaii. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=Paintrain;707879]Do they volunteer? I recall being at the Pro Bowl in February and I'm pretty sure I saw RT playing in the game. If they don't get voted to the Pro Bowl, how do they determine who plays?[/quote]
Only LT's get voted to the Pro Bowl and one of them gets moved to the right side. See Chris Samuels it happend to him a couple of times. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
Love the trade.
|
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
I love how Jammal Brown says basically "I feel like I'm a LT and can play LT, but they want me to play RT so I'm willing to do what they want me to do"
Reminds me of the time Albert Haynesworth said "I feel like I'm a 4-3 DT and can play 4-3 DT, but they want me to play multiple positions along the line so I'm...." Nevermind |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=JoeRedskin;707820]Anyone think this could be a problem under the current regime:
"Bushrod also is viewed as a good locker room guy. Brown didn’t have that reputation with the Saints and his conditioning sometimes had been an issue." [URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/10764/saints-trade-of-brown-now-done"]Saints' trade of Brown now done - NFC South Blog - ESPN[/URL] Just from what I've seen in how Shanahan appears to handle players (say the right thing, seemingly require the right things), I think it will become a non-issue. Under the past regime, a player like this would have been aquired at a higher cost and then allowed to "have his way". I get the feeling Shanny is very much a "put up or get the hell out" kind of guy. Again, to me, it is the culture change that seems the most obvious. Yes, I know Shanny has his limitations. Yes, I know he has an ego the size of Alaska. Yes, he D's have not been anything to write home about and he is making a fundamental change in the way the Skins play defense. But, love or hate the switch to a hybrid 3-4, it just seems that there is a plan in place. (Let's sign 3 or 4 guys to play NT in case AH becomes a problem, lets see if we can get some quality talent at without crippling our cap or our ability to start stocking through the draft). All this while Allen is rebuilding ties with the players who remember what winning is all about. To me, this move is just the latest in a plan. Finally, there is method rather than just madness. We may not win 10 games this year (although we might if T. Williams pans out and the interior lineman are able to play with consistency - i.e. same guys week in and week out), but, for the first time in three or four years, I am feeling good about our O-line.[/quote] My only concern with Brown is he didn't play in 2009 because of an injury. But Dr. Andrews says he's ok and he passed his physical, so I guess he's good to go. I'm not worried about conditioning issues or work ethic/locker room stuff. He's 29 and looking for one more big pay-day. He's got all the incentive in the world to work his tail off. If I had to guess, I'd say he'll have a pro-bowl caliber year protecting McNabb's strong side. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
We have dominated the offseason once again. Why does it feel so different?
|
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=T.O.Killa;707906]We have dominated the offseason once again. Why does it feel so different?[/quote]
No Vinny, No Fear. |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=T.O.Killa;707906]We have dominated the offseason once again. Why does it feel so different?[/quote]
Although I have the nagging fear, the biggest differences in my mind are: 1) this FO isn't shouting out moves ahead of time or in a panic, and thus paying premium prices for unsure gain 2) they have clearly addressed nearly every obvious need with multiple players to avoid dependence on a star and to foster competition 3) the players quotes are contained optimism, not blind allegiance (for the most part, but this is like fan voting in the probowl not worth a lot but very visible) 4) Its the Skins and dammit they gotta win sometime! |
Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
[quote=CRedskinsRule;707914]Although I have the nagging fear, the biggest differences in my mind are:
1) this FO isn't shouting out moves ahead of time or in a panic, and thus paying premium prices for unsure gain 2) they have clearly addressed nearly every obvious need with multiple players to avoid dependence on a star and to foster competition 3) the players quotes are contained optimism, not blind allegiance (for the most part, but this is like fan voting in the probowl not worth a lot but very visible) [B]4) Its the Skins and dammit they gotta win sometime![/quote][/B] Agree 100%, but #4 is the best. |
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:42 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
We have no official affiliation with the Washington Commanders or the NFL.