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Posted a couple of Gus's highlights on YouTube. Hopefully this will get you an invitation to join a team in camp

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[quote=Dirtbag359;717173]Posted a couple of Gus's highlights on YouTube. Hopefully this will get you an invitation to join a team in camp

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[quote=GTripp0012;717135]You'd be correct that 2 years spent elsewhere doesn't make you four years older than the competition. But he was 25.5 years old during the 2007 scouting combine, and most of the amateur draft prospects are between 21 and 22.5 years old at the same combine, which is a significant difference.

As for where the difference between two and four come in, an August birthday is pretty advanced in the context of a high school graduating class (i.e. most classmates are younger, some by half a year or more), and he took a redshirt year in 2000 before going on a two year mission.

John Beck played four [I]consecutive[/I] seasons at BYU from 2003-2006 after concluding a two year mission. Surely, you're not implying the Beck wasn't in football shape in Feb. 2007 because he spent 24 months between 2001 and 2003 on things more important than football? That timeline seems to undermine what you're trying to say about his college performance, given the unique circumstances.[/quote]

Point taken, GTripp. Thanks.

The main thrust of my posts were to point out that the knocks on Beck's arm strength have been largely unfounded and ignorant. The guy has shown, in game, how strong his arm is.
What always impressed me most, however, was his football IQ. He had touch, accuracy, and most of all, was capable of turning nothing into something (see last play against Utah in '06).

He was a fantastic player in College, and has largely gotten the shaft in his NFL stints so far. I'm hopeful for him, believe he can beat out Grossman, and I hope ya'll are pleased with him in the future (or for as long as you have him).

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[quote=BYUClark;717336]Point taken, GTripp. Thanks.

The main thrust of my posts were to point out that the knocks on Beck's arm strength have been largely unfounded and ignorant. The guy has shown, in game, how strong his arm is.
What always impressed me most, however, was his football IQ. He had touch, accuracy, and most of all, was capable of turning nothing into something (see last play against Utah in '06).

He was a fantastic player in College, and has largely gotten the shaft in his NFL stints so far. I'm hopeful for him, believe he can beat out Grossman, and I hope ya'll are pleased with him in the future (or for as long as you have him).[/quote]I have a ton of respect for John Beck's college career. His age on draft day made him not-such-a-great-prospect (not unlike Chris Weinke seven years before him), but I'd be very comfortable with him making the Redskins as Donovan McNabb's primary backup.

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[quote=BYUClark;717336]The main thrust of my posts were to point out that the knocks on Beck's arm strength have been largely unfounded and ignorant. The guy has shown, in game, how strong his arm is.
What always impressed me most, however, was his football IQ. He had touch, accuracy, and most of all, was capable of turning nothing into something (see last play against Utah in '06).

He was a fantastic player in College, and has largely gotten the shaft in his NFL stints so far. I'm hopeful for him, believe he can beat out Grossman, and I hope ya'll are pleased with him in the future (or for as long as you have him).[/quote]

I view Beck as a potential back-up for [I]next[/I] year.
I think its a little late in camp to challenge for the back-up spot.
I don't know if he's eligible for the practice squad but i think a good sign for how he's doing and how the staff views his progress/potential will be evidenced by wether or not they keep him as the 3rd QB or he(longshot) wins the back-up spot.
My best case scenario is that he really catches on and becomes a solid back-up to McNabb.(Hopefully a clear improvement over Grossman)
And buys time along (with McNabb) to draft and develop a QB of the future.
And who knows? Maybe he could develop quickly (1-2 years) and become a tradeable commodity ala Charlie Whitehurst or any of the Holmgren's back-ups.

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Appreciate the comments here, guys. Skins fans are definitely intelligent and thoughtful. It will be interesting to see what happens.
You could be right, 30gut, next year's QB draft will be pretty loaded.

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[quote=BYUClark;717365]Appreciate the comments here, guys. Skins fans are definitely intelligent and thoughtful. It will be interesting to see what happens.
You could be right, 30gut, next year's QB draft will be pretty loaded.[/quote]

Thanks for the great insight...I dont think we'd get better info elsewhere than a BYU fan

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[quote=BYUClark;717365]Appreciate the comments here, guys. Skins fans are definitely intelligent and thoughtful. It will be interesting to see what happens.
You could be right, 30gut, next year's QB draft will be pretty loaded.[/quote]

I don't know. Next years class looks to me like a bunch of physical specimens that can't complete 60% of their passes. And when you can't do that at the collegiate level then chances are you'll never do it at the pro level.

Last year had a great draft with two of the most accurate passers in college history with Bradford and McCoy. We'll see how everything shapes up but I'm not to excited about Mallet, Prior, and Locker. Luck won't be out next year as he wants to finish his Stanford education before going pro. Then again we'll probably never be in position to draft Luck.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;717400]I don't know. Next years class looks to me like a bunch of physical specimens that can't complete 60% of their passes. And when you can't do that at the collegiate level then chances are you'll never do it at the pro level.

Last year had a great draft with two of the most accurate passers in college history with Bradford and McCoy. We'll see how everything shapes up but I'm not to excited about Mallet, Prior, and Locker. Luck won't be out next year as he wants to finish his Stanford education before going pro. Then again we'll probably never be in position to draft Luck.[/quote]Christian Ponder and Jacory Harris are both intriguing prospects, and Terrell Pryor might end up useful before it's all said and done, but yeah, Mallett and Locker haven't accomplished very much at the college level yet.

There's still time to turn it around -- or to reinforce the believe that they're not accurate passers.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;717400]I don't know. Next years class looks to me like a bunch of physical specimens that can't complete 60% of their passes. And when you can't do that at the collegiate level then chances are you'll never do it at the pro level.

Last year had a great draft with two of the most accurate passers in college history with Bradford and McCoy. We'll see how everything shapes up but I'm not to excited about Mallet, Prior, and Locker. Luck won't be out next year as he wants to finish his Stanford education before going pro. Then again we'll probably never be in position to draft Luck.[/quote]

What about Ponder out of FSU? He's a solid QB, given the right players around him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;717403]Christian Ponder and Jacory Harris are both intriguing prospects, and Terrell Pryor might end up useful before it's all said and done, but yeah, Mallett and Locker haven't accomplished very much at the college level yet.

There's still time to turn it around -- or to reinforce the believe that they're not accurate passers.[/quote]

Interestingly, BYU plays both Locker (UW) and Ponder (FSU) this year. I'm excited to see those games.

You're right about Locker, from what I've seen. Hasn't done a whole lot, despite his hype going in.

From what I've seen of both of them, Ponder appears to be the more polished QB, though both of them are very physical, and can run.

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[quote=BYUClark;717685]What about Ponder out of FSU? He's a solid QB, given the right players around him.[/quote]

He REALLY impressed me against my Canes last year. He's going to be very good for a while I think.

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[quote=BYUClark;717365]Appreciate the comments here, guys. Skins fans are definitely intelligent and thoughtful. It will be interesting to see what happens.
You could be right, 30gut, next year's QB draft will be pretty loaded.[/quote]

BYUClark, care to start a Beck Bandwagon? The recently disbanded Cult of Colt left a void in Redskins land..

I hope Beck develops into a nice #2 for us. I was in Miami his rookie year and that was such an awful team around him there was no way he'd succeed. I wish he was 3 years younger but I guess it doesn't really matter. I like his pedigree and his promise coming out of college so hopefully he grows under Kyle and Mike.

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I'm going to go ahead and call it right now -

McNabb and Haynesworth (whom we'll force into the deal) to the Vikings for Percy Harvin and their 2011 1st rounder.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;717698]I'm going to go ahead and call it right now -

McNabb and Haynesworth (whom we'll force into the deal) to the Vikings for Percy Harvin and their 2011 1st rounder.[/quote]I think they're going to make us throw in Byron Westbrook, who will have earned the franchise tag by then.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;717698]I'm going to go ahead and call it right now -

McNabb and Haynesworth (whom we'll force into the deal) to the Vikings for Percy Harvin and their 2011 1st rounder.[/quote]

Huh?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;717698]I'm going to go ahead and call it right now -

McNabb and Haynesworth (whom we'll force into the deal) to the Vikings for Percy Harvin and their 2011 1st rounder.[/quote]

We're going to need that 1st rounder, in order to send it to the Titans for Chris Simms (is he with the Titans? I've lost track)

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[quote=Paintrain;717694]BYUClark, care to start a Beck Bandwagon? The recently disbanded Cult of Colt left a void in Redskins land..

I hope Beck develops into a nice #2 for us. I was in Miami his rookie year and that was such an awful team around him there was no way he'd succeed. I wish he was 3 years younger but I guess it doesn't really matter. I like his pedigree and his promise coming out of college so hopefully he grows under Kyle and Mike.[/quote]

HAHA. I've always been on the Beck Bandwagon. I've followed him everywhere he went (even met him at BYU while he was training for the combine). He's a great character guy, an under-rated talent, and I've always wished for the RIGHT place for him.

Yeah, he's older, which a mission will do (averaging in a +2 difference), but that brings a certain maturity as well.

I just read an article where his dad was interviewed. Usually they talk almost every day, but he hasn't heard from John since he got to DC. There's no doubt that John takes this very seriously, and aims to give everything he has to the Skins. He's going to study like crazy (something his very high football-IQ will aid him in), and get started.

I'd be worried what exactly the Beck Bandwagon ring-leader would mean here. heh. I've always had a healthy respect for the Redskins, and a number of other teams. I've never been so much of a fan of any specific team (being raised in Oregon where there is no Professional football team to speak of). But I am a tremendous fan of the game, and have been forever (including playing as a youth for 7 years).

First, I just want to see what Beck does here. Can he jump to the #2 spot? Based on what I'm hearing (limited as it is), he very well could. Once his head stops spinning from the transition to the Skins, he'll settle down and take care of business.

I appreciate the welcome here, even as a non-long-time-historical Skins fan.

But as a lover of the game, thanks!

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Speaking of Training Camp, is there a place where one can get the BEST coverage of day to day activities?

Anyone here who frequently attends? I'm always interested to hear news of how the team is doing (and not limited to my boy, Beck).

I've got a great amount of respect for the Shanahans and all they've accomplished. McNabb is a franchise player, and followed him in Philly (with my boy Chad Lewes, retired).

Some great things can happen in Skinsville.

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[quote=SmootSmack;717747]We're going to need that 1st rounder, in order to send it to the Titans for Chris Simms (is he with the Titans? I've lost track)[/quote]

:laughing-

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[quote=SmootSmack;717747]We're going to need that 1st rounder, in order to send it to the Titans for Chris Simms (is he with the Titans? I've lost track)[/quote]

He's currently with the Cheech and Chong's.

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Looks like Beck is still impressing. I'm a BYU grad, too, BYUClark, and I enjoy seeing Beck get a second (or third, I guess) chance given the talent I watched throughout his college career. All things equal, I think he'd beat out Grossman, but given Grossman's experience with Shanahan's system in Houston, it's an uphill battle. I think he'll show enough to convince Shanahan to keep three QBs and I wouldn't be surprised if Grossman ends up getting cut later on.

[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Studs-and-Duds-8610-100133979.html]Studs and Duds 8/6/10 | Washington Examiner[/url]

[QUOTE]QB John Beck. Made a few nice throws, though one was helped by a major defensive breakdown. Still, he’s starting to get comfortable. He hit Brandon Banks on a go-route down the right side (Banks dusted Ramzee Robinson) for a score. He also rolled to his right and found Lee Vickers with a sidearm toss; there was a narrow window and he squeezed it in. Beck definitely missed on some throws, but considering when he came here, he’s doing fine. Better than Colt Brennan, that’s for sure.[/QUOTE]

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

[quote=BYUClark;717829]Speaking of Training Camp, is there a place where one can get the BEST coverage of day to day activities?

Anyone here who frequently attends? I'm always interested to hear news of how the team is doing (and not limited to my boy, Beck).

I've got a great amount of respect for the Shanahans and all they've accomplished. McNabb is a franchise player, and followed him in Philly (with my boy Chad Lewes, retired).

Some great things can happen in Skinsville.[/quote]

[url=http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/]Redskins Journal[/url]

[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/]Redskins Confidential | Latest Redskins News | Washington Examiner[/url]

these guys post more of the meat and potatoes

if you do twitter the list of guys I follow gives you pretty much everything

[url]https://twitter.com/RedskinsRT/lists[/url]

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[quote=CooleyAsCanBe;718096]Looks like Beck is still impressing. I'm a BYU grad, too, BYUClark, and I enjoy seeing Beck get a second (or third, I guess) chance given the talent I watched throughout his college career. All things equal, I think he'd beat out Grossman, but given Grossman's experience with Shanahan's system in Houston, it's an uphill battle. I think he'll show enough to convince Shanahan to keep three QBs and I wouldn't be surprised if Grossman ends up getting cut later on.

[URL="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Studs-and-Duds-8610-100133979.html"]Studs and Duds 8/6/10 | Washington Examiner[/URL][/quote]


I hope Beck does excel and makes it. Grossman just doesn't have it, but then again like you say he does have the experience advantage. I have always cheered for the young QBs to make a move or when they did make one. Only bad thing is they never panned out(ie Frerotte, Ramsey, JC).

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[quote=GusFrerotte;718156]I hope Beck does excel and makes it. Grossman just doesn't have it, but then again like you say he does have the experience advantage. I have always cheered for the young QBs to make a move or when they did make one. Only bad thing is they never panned out(ie Frerotte, Ramsey, JC).[/quote]

The thing about Beck though is that he's going to be 29 (though these days thats young by QB standards) by the end of the month. It would be nice though to have a guy that could play like another Donovan backup a couple of years ago in Jeff Garcia, or better yet, lets have Donovan start his own iron man streak. Of course one of the best way to do it is to get that Denver ground game transferred to DC.

Right now though it seems like Grossman simply isn't cutting it. Even Los is intercepting him.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;718162]The thing about Beck though is that he's going to be 29 (though these days thats young by QB standards) by the end of the month. It would be nice though to have a guy that could play like another Donovan backup a couple of years ago in Jeff Garcia, or better yet, lets have Donovan start his own iron man streak. Of course one of the best way to do it is to get that Denver ground game transferred to DC.

Right now though it seems like Grossman simply isn't cutting it. Even Los is intercepting him.[/quote]


Well I can't see Shanny passing up drafting a QB or two in the next few drafts. It would be nice to have a young stud understudy to Donovan that could be able to come in and do the job when need be.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;718162]The thing about Beck though is that he's going to be 29 (though these days thats young by QB standards) by the end of the month. It would be nice though to have a guy that could play like another Donovan backup a couple of years ago in Jeff Garcia, or better yet, lets have Donovan start his own iron man streak. Of course one of the best way to do it is to get that Denver ground game transferred to DC.

Right now though it seems like Grossman simply isn't cutting it. Even Los is intercepting him.[/quote]

mcnabb has thrown a few himself.. quite a few batted down as well... hopefully it works itself out

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[quote=GusFrerotte;718174]Well I can't see Shanny passing up drafting a QB or two in the next few drafts. It would be nice to have a young stud understudy to Donovan that could be able to come in and do the job when need be.[/quote]

Not in the first round though. Not unless he's the next Jay Cutler or John Elway talent-wise. For all the crap Cutler gets, he was really a beast when he played for Shanahan.

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By 2013 I think we will go for a first round QB for sure, if not sooner. If Donovan doesn't turn out to be the savior, you will have to draft one in the next few years. IF Donovan lives up to expectation you still need a young QB to give the team a strong backup and a potential succesor to McNabb. If Beck works out great, but to be honest the duo of Beck and Bartel isn't so promising on paper, and Grossman sucks. You can't expect to build for the long term around #5, since he realistically only has 5 years left, with a possible shelf life of only 3. WE can't put our eggs all in one basket is my drift.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;718191]Not in the first round though. Not unless he's the next Jay Cutler or John Elway talent-wise. For all the crap Cutler gets, he was really a beast when he played for Shanahan.[/quote]

Yeah, the thing that ticks me off with the medias views of Cutler and Shanahan is they keep talking about the average win loss record. I've said it before but Drew Brees and Sean Peyton were 7-9 two years ago. To pin an entire teams performance on the QB is absurd.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;718194]By 2013 I think we will go for a first round QB for sure, if not sooner. If Donovan doesn't turn out to be the savior, you will have to draft one in the next few years. IF Donovan lives up to expectation you still need a young QB to give the team a strong backup and a potential succesor to McNabb. If Beck works out great, but to be honest the duo of Beck and Bartel isn't so promising on paper, and Grossman sucks. You can't expect to build for the long term around #5, since he realistically only has 5 years left, with a possible shelf life of only 3. WE can't put our eggs all in one basket is my drift.[/quote]

next couple of drafts if they end up existing

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[quote=GusFrerotte;718194]By 2013 I think we will go for a first round QB for sure, if not sooner. If Donovan doesn't turn out to be the savior, you will have to draft one in the next few years. IF Donovan lives up to expectation you still need a young QB to give the team a strong backup and a potential succesor to McNabb. If Beck works out great, but to be honest the duo of Beck and Bartel isn't so promising on paper, and Grossman sucks. You can't expect to build for the long term around #5, since he realistically only has 5 years left, with a possible shelf life of only 3. WE can't put our eggs all in one basket is my drift.[/quote]

After the Brian Griese experiment failed, Shanahan sure took his damn time in drafting a first round QB, instead relying on Jake Plummer in the interim until 2006, when their relationship soured to a point of no return. Basically, if the QB isn't a mobile one, Shanahan isn't going to give much of a look towards him. So, if the highly touted 1st round QB prospects don't have mobility and other QB skills, Shanahan is more than likely going to pass on said prospects.

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Hi to all and Hail to the Redskins! I've enjoyed the Dolphins/Redskins battles for a very long time and while living in Roanoke VA. (for 8 years) I got to enjoy your rabid ways though always respectful.

I, too, am a John Beck fan who thinks and feels he was never given a fair shake because in 07 he was thrown to the wolves and given no chance to suceed on a very bad team with alot of injuries to the starters by the time John started. Since that terrible start he has only been given the chance to play in one full game, last years Ravens 4th preseason game against the Falcons.

You can go to YouTube and the NFL channel to watch the reply of that game and also view John's stats for it, which are quite good.

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Just wanted to mention that since this thread mentions Doug Dutch, that he said to the baltimore sun that practices as a redskins were much easier than as a raven.

All I got to say to that is sure the ravens go harder at practice, but they've already lost their starting corner for the year during these tough practices. That has happened here yet (Knock on wood that it doesn't happen here at all)

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;718191]Not in the first round though. Not unless he's the next Jay Cutler or John Elway talent-wise. For all the crap Cutler gets, he was really a beast when he played for Shanahan.[/quote]

Although i agree with you about Shanahan not taking a QB in the first round the rookie salary cap might make the taking a 1st round QB cheaper and thusly less risky.
But, i also think that taking a QB high in the 1st round is a desperation move for a franchise and that most QB 'gurus' given their druthers would prefer to draft and groom a QB later in the draft at the earliest late in the 1st.

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[quote=30gut;718539]Although i agree with you about Shanahan not taking a QB in the first round the rookie salary cap might make the taking a 1st round QB cheaper and thusly less risky.
But, i also think that taking a QB high in the 1st round is a desperation move for a franchise and that most QB 'gurus' given their druthers would prefer to draft and groom a QB later in the draft at the earliest late in the 1st.[/quote]


Depends on the QB in question. You get a cool handed customer like say a Peyton Manning type, who guided a decent program to a BCS run, you better snag him if available. You have to do it. Right now we are Donovan MCNabb or bust, and it might be a 50/50 proposition with Dononvan since his WR corp doesn't look so promising at the moment. Grossman sucks. Beck is a no name entity and not likely to ever become a starter. Would be a great story if he did, but don't bet on it. Same with Bartel. If the McNabb experiment goes bust fast, you are faced with a Shuler scenario all over again. Better to have someone to really groom under Donovan than wait a few years. Then you will probably get yet another HC and/or GM if that occurs(getting a QB later than sooner) I don't think Snyder is going to want to wait another 5 years to get a winner.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;718687]Depends on the QB in question. You get a cool handed customer like say a Peyton Manning type, who guided a decent program to a BCS run, you better snag him if available. You have to do it. [/quote]

You only have to do it if your franchise is in desperation mode.
(Trying to re-build and appease the fanbase with a "face" of the franchise)
And plus no one knows if a Peyton Manning is gonna be Manning or turn out like Ryan Leaf. Many well respected GMs had Leaf over Manning.
It all goes back to this statement made by Bill Walsh and often repeated by Mike Lombardi-
"Very few people know how to properly evaluate a QB and fewer still know how to coach them"

If you have a stable franchise and trust that your staff can develop a QB you draft one when it suit you and you groom him to be your starter.
Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren NEVER took a 1st round QB.
Look at the league right now how many are 1st rounders?
None of these guys are (were) Warner, Brady, Favre, Brees, T. Jackson, Cassel, Hasselbeck, Schaub, Romo, Delhomme, Moore, Orton.

[quote]Right now we are Donovan MCNabb or bust, and it might be a 50/50 proposition with Dononvan since his WR corp doesn't look so promising at the moment.[/quote]

Okay, follow my logic on this one.
We have virtually the same receiver corps as last year minus ARE.
I personally don't think ARE is gonna cripple our passing game.
So it comes down to wether you think McNabb+Shanahan+improved OL
can produce a better passing game then Campbell+Zorn+Worst OL in the league.
The answer is pretty simple for me.
And if McNabb is a 50/50 success failure proposition then what would the odds for a rookie QB be? 15/85?

[quote] If the McNabb experiment goes bust fast, you are faced with a Shuler scenario all over again. Better to have someone to really groom under Donovan than wait a few years. Then you will probably get yet another HC and/or GM if that occurs(getting a QB later than sooner) I don't think Snyder is going to want to wait another 5 years to get a winner.[/quote]

Most team are always grooming QBs and i think its a smart thing to do.
Holmgren for example produced several solid to starting caliber QB from his system all without ever drafting a 1st round QB.
Of course they should groom a QB, i said that in my post and i'm sure they'll draft a QB next year and groom them, but i would doubt that they would take one in the 1st round what would the reason be?
McNabb gives them at least 2-3 years to groom a QB a suitable replacement or QB of the future the right way.

Why would it take 5 years?
There is no way Snyder fires Shanahan.

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[url]http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/reds...actice-mon-89/[/url]
[QUOTE=Rich Campbell]QB John Beck has some tools that these coaches should be able to work with. Early in 11-on-11 work, he rolled to his left and threw across his body, hitting TE Logan Paulsen in stride for a nice gain. He also drilled WR Shay Hodge in stride on a deep slant.

I’ve heard people around the league rave about how smart Beck is. He looks more comfortable in the offense every day. Today that showed in how he checked to Hodge in a hot read against the blitz. It was a quick slant that picked up about 10 yards.

Kyle Shanahan said last week that Beck hasn’t proved he can’t do it in the NFL. That’s an interesting way to look at him. Beck was drafted in the second round, so he has a quality pedigree. Perhaps being with the Shanahan father-son duo and McNabb will provide him with a level of teaching he wasn’t exposed to in Miami and Baltimore.[/QUOTE]

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Looks like my boy, Beck, is starting to show. I'm liking this. And so early with the team.

It's still early, but good to see John doing as well as he is so far.
Sorry, I can't post links yet, or I would have.

From Redskins Confidential (Today):

"QB John Beck. Continues to grow in this offense. Connected with Banks on a deep ball and dumped a nice touch pass over the top of LB Chris Draft to RB Clinton Portis for a nice gain. Beck had rolled to his left on the play. I’ll be curious to see how Beck develops; he’s also not some young kid. Maybe he could grow into a solid No. 2 some day."

And Monday:

"Funny how good Richard Bartel looked last week when facing off vs. Colt Brennan last week. Bartel is now the forgotten guy with John Beck around. Beck continues to show a little more each practice. He can throw from different angles, which isn’t bad. But it’s his ability to know when to throw that helps. He has a good feel for the rhythm of a play. Don’t know what this will mean, but I’ve seen things I like."

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

Vinny would have given a 1st and a 3rd for him