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Now that enough info has come out of his most recent media lashing, I think Al should have just expressed his thoughts to Shanahan in private. Simple as that. It's often normal that injury reports are sometimes vague.

That said, I think his teammates are more annoyed with the media pestering them than Albert himself and insufficent data to conclude he's suddenly off-board in learning the defense and such.

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pussy.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;723237]Now that enough info has come out of his most recent media lashing, I think Al should have just expressed his thoughts to Shanahan in private. Simple as that. [B]It's often normal that injury reports are sometimes vague.[/B]

That said, I think his teammates are more annoyed with the media pestering them than Albert himself and insufficent data to conclude he's suddenly off-board in learning the defense and such.[/quote]

Didn't we not read something to that effect early in the off season that MS is very strict on what comes out of the Redskins Park as far as the injury reports.

As far as him playing when the coaches tell him, well that is your job moron, quit taking everything so personal. Shut up and get to work.

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I was at the game against the Ravens Saturday and almost pissed myself laughing so hard. The guy two seats down from me kept screaming "TIME FOR A BATHROOM BREAK HAYNESWORTH, YOU FAT PIECE OF $%!&" in between every play almost that Haynesworth was on the field. Too much...

And by the way. The reason Shanny claimed no one on the Skins staff knew about Big Baby's apparent "rhabdomyolysis" is because he actually has pansifaschietis; a debilitating infantile disease which some babies never get rid of as adults. WedMD says it makes adults lapse into states of childish behavior. Some side effects include temper tantrums, whining, selfishness, and unwillingness to do certain expected tasks.

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[quote=SkinzWin;723319]And by the way. The reason Shanny claimed no one on the Skins staff knew about Big Baby's apparent "rhabdomyolysis" is because he actually has pansifaschietis; a debilitating infantile disease which some babies never get rid of as adults. WedMD says it makes adults lapse into states of childish behavior. Some side effects include temper tantrums, whining, selfishness, and unwillingness to do certain expected tasks.[/quote]

Along with a case of vaginitis.

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[quote=Mechanix544;723135]Which is so rare for us, having a coach with testicles, even more a coach with testicles that isn't afraid to use em!!!!![/quote]


No I don't think so, I think it's more of the owner finally backing up the coach.Danny boy's phone has been off the hook for AH.

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[quote=Giantone;723326]No I don't think so, I think it's more of the owner finally backing up the coach.Danny boy's phone has been off the hook for AH.[/quote]

Dammit! Giantone. You hit the nail on the head. Couldnt agree with you more.

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More details on the Haynesworth/Fletcher 'temporary make things peaceful before they blow up again soon' talk.
[quote]Fletcher: Haynesworth is ‘on board’
Posted: August 23rd, 2010 | Frank Tadych | Tags: Washington Redskins, Mike Shanahan, Albert Haynesworth, London Fletcher, Frank Tadych

The Redskins are ready to move forward, again. Maybe Albert Haynesworth is on board.

A day after the strained (and now very public) relationship between Haynesworth and Redskins coach Mike Shanahan escalated into trading barbs in a he-said, he-said exchange, there seems to be a temporary sense of … resolution normalcy. Enter London Fletcher, one of the veterans who didn’t jump to defend Haynesworth during the offseason.

“We had a great conversation. I feel good about where he’s at today,” Fletcher said of Haynesworth, via the team’s Twitter account.

He added, “Just speaking to him, he’s definitely on board for what we’re trying to do.”

Haynesworth might be on board, but now he isn’t talking. According to The Washington Post, Haynesworth declined to field questions on Monday, and when asked when he would, replied “Never.”

While Haynesworth remains mum, we’re starting to see quotes surface from teammates, who appear fed up with the same conversation. Until Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco up their game, Redskins Park is now the center of NFL drama.

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This quotes my favorite
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d819f567c/article/haynesworths-actions-could-impact-future-bigname-free-agents?module=HP_cp2]NFL.com news: Haynesworth's actions could impact future big-name free agents[/url]
[quote]Even before the rift between Albert Haynesworth and Redskins coach Mike Shanahan ratcheted up over the weekend, the defensive lineman's behavior since opting to skip mandatory and voluntary offseason workouts has annoyed players well beyond the nation's capital.

Several players around the league have told me that Haynesworth is viewed as a major hurdle to the cause of future free agents landing big contracts. Owners, they contend, will be overly reluctant to pay large deals to guys out of fear of them responding like Haynesworth has. In fact, a lot of players feel it's a foregone conclusion.

[B]"He's ruined it for everyone after him," [/B]a high-profile player told me over the weekend, echoing a sentiment I've heard throughout training camps.

[/quote]

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[B]
"He's ruined it for everyone after him," a high-profile player told me over the weekend, echoing a sentiment I've heard throughout training camps.[/B]

I guess that's one good thing to come out of this, salaries are getting out of control especially for rookies.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;723337]
"He's ruined it for everyone after him," a high-profile player told me over the weekend, echoing a sentiment I've heard throughout training camps.

[B]I guess that's one good thing to come out of this, salaries are getting out of control especially for rookies[/B].[/quote]

Honestly I don't know how good that is. The thing with rookie salaries is, everybody agrees that a rookie salary cap is a good idea, and the money being saved from having a rookie draft pick salary cap is supposed to go towards vets who have earned it in free agency. But if owners start getting scared about giving out big free agent deals for fear of signing the next Haynesworth, well then no player benefits. And if the players don't think they are going to benefit, they aren't going to agree to it in the next CBA. So it might end up being a hinderance to a new CBA getting agreed to, especially if owners insist on putting some sort of clause in there to prevent this Haynesworth type drama from ever happening again.

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Cutting him would be dumb for a couple reasons...
1st,he gets what he wants
2nd,he's playing for the Giants the following week. OK..I being presumptuous,but they offered close to what we paid..lol

Point is,you cut him and he's playing in your division or even same Conference.

You trade him,if you have to unload him.
If it's for a 2058 6th round pick...then fine,but you don't cut the guy.

and 3rd,we could use a player or draft picks for what the team has shelled out for this guy.

We're already down a 3rd and 4th for next season already. be nice to add picks instead of shipping them.

The perfect scenario?
Would be to trade the guy for a position of need or other player on the block.
Like Fat Al involved in trade with San Diego for V.Jackson.
Or maybe we snatch Revis from the jets
Heck,I would trade for OT Marcus McNeill,even though we don't need a tackle before just cutting haynesworth and getting nothing.

Problem is..chargers run a 3-4 I believe

But it's getting to the point where I would [B]ALMOST[/B] trade him to the Giants just to get rid of the guy.
(Course..I would expect Undrafted WR rookie Victor Cruz at a bare minimum though...lol)

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[quote=mooby;723341]Honestly I don't know how good that is. The thing with rookie salaries is, everybody agrees that a rookie salary cap is a good idea, and the money being saved from having a rookie draft pick salary cap is supposed to go towards vets who have earned it in free agency. But if owners start getting scared about giving out big free agent deals for fear of signing the next Haynesworth, well then no player benefits. And if the players don't think they are going to benefit, they aren't going to agree to it in the next CBA. So it might end up being a hinderance to a new CBA getting agreed to, especially if owners insist on putting some sort of clause in there to prevent this Haynesworth type drama from ever happening again.[/quote]

It doesnt seem to me that rookie salaries are out of control. Granted there are maybe a dozen or so rookies that get huge contracts without ever playing a snap in the NFL, and they get all the attention, if you look at rookie salaries in toto I think its pretty obvious the vast majority of the rookies dont make big $. I think if a rookie salary cap is implemented the players union will surely insist on a minimum rookie salary as well, and I suspect that minimum will be higher than what the majority of rookies are currently getting. My bet is that there wont be a rookie salary cap because owners will realize that in the long run it will cost them more $.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;723349]



2nd,he's playing for the Giants the following week. OK..I being presumptuous,but they offered close to what we paid..lol



But it's getting to the point where I would [B]ALMOST[/B] trade him to the Giants just to get rid of the guy.
(Course..I would expect Undrafted WR rookie Victor Cruz at a bare minimum though...lol)[/quote]

LOL..............OH HELLLL no!:censored::nono:

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This cartoon was in the local paper this morning:

[url=http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/toontalk/2010/08/24/albert-haynesworth/]Albert Haynesworth - Toon Talk[/url]

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[quote=Leader In Sports;723377]This cartoon was in the local paper this morning:

[url=http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/toontalk/2010/08/24/albert-haynesworth/]Albert Haynesworth - Toon Talk[/url][/quote]

Nice, but I find the depiction of Albert to be way off. First need the moon size diamond bling hanging from his ears and then cameltoe would be appropriate to show his vagina.

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[quote=Chico23231;723382]Nice, but I find the depiction of Albert to be way off. First need the moon size diamond bling hanging from his ears and then cameltoe would be appropriate to show his vagina.[/quote]

LOL. Hilarious.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;723130]Well, to be fair, Shanahan came out Sunday and drew the line in the sand, no practice = no play. I don't see how anyone looks at MS and sees him not doing anything. If anything, I think you see AH's whining as proof that MS is not giving in to an impetuous player. The 2 main questions are, at what point does the shape up or ship out message sink in to AH? and if it doesn't can we get any compensation at all for him?[/quote]

I'm curious as to exactly how that no practice no play mandate is going to play out over the course of the season. Key players are going to get nicked and maybe unable to practice much, if at all, during the course of the week. Does that mean they don't play on Sunday should they be able to go by weeks end? If that be the case, we're going to be presented with some very unpredictable line-up's as the season progresses.

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I think the jist is that if you keep on making excuses when it comes to practice, but you are suddenly fine on game day, you will have a limited Sunday experience. If the complaint is valid, I am sure the trainers will be on top of that, and let the top brass know the situations.

At least thats how i took it. Shanahan is against overworking his veterans anyway, at least thats what I have heard this preseason. I think this is a non issue for the majority, if not for the rest of the team outside of Haynesworth.

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[quote=Longtimefan;723395]I'm curious as to exactly how that no practice no play mandate is going to play out over the course of the season. Key players are going to get nicked and maybe unable to practice much, if at all, during the course of the week. Does that mean they don't play on Sunday should they be able to go by weeks end? If that be the case, we're going to be presented with some very unpredictable line-up's as the season progresses.[/quote]

From what I've seen with Shanahan in the past, at least with regard to his running backs, if they practice on Friday then they'll play on Sunday.

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I think the media and the fans have be come obsessed with the guy. AH drama is getting old.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;723402]From what I've seen with Shanahan in the past, at least with regard to his running backs, if they practice on Friday then they'll play on Sunday.[/quote]

I really don't know what Shanahan's practice has been in the past regarding practicing vs. playing. I do know that saying if a player dosen't practice he dosen't play is a broad and blanket statement. Curious as to how it would/could be applicable to the r/b's exclusively. I would want to think a statement like that would apply throughout the team. I'll be watching to see how the doctrine is applied as the season moves forward.

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Keep hearing TB is a good spot for AH but not for Clayton

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[IMG]http://media.sfexaminer.com/images/100824beelertoon_c.jpg[/IMG]

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More details on a possible Haynesworth-Tampa trade
[quote]Haynesworth trade buzz
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Albert Haynesworth | Redskins | Interested: Buccaneers?
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While the Albert Haynesworth-Mike Shanahan feud continues to percolate, a bold new idea has come to the forefront from the AM airwaves.

Specifically, veteran Tampa Bay Buccaneers beat writer Roy Cummings said on the Miller and Moulton Show on 770 AM in Fort Myers, Fla. (hat-tip to Joe Bucs Fan) that the Bucs could make a play for No. 92. Even more noteworthy is that Michael Clayton -- rumored to be on his way out anyways -- could be involved in this trade, owing to the fact that the Washington Redskins have a need at WR, and Clayton was drafted by current 'Skins GM Bruce Allen.

The hosts opened the conversation on Haynesworth with a disclosure that he wanted to play defensive end for a team that uses a four-man front, a fact that has seemingly evaded us to this point, since we've only heard that Haynesworth wants to play DT in such a setup. The need at DE is much stronger for the Bucs, who used their top two draft picks on DTs this April. Even so, Haynesworth provides an upgrade for most teams at DT, Tampa Bay included, and the Bucs were amongst those rumored to be interested prior to his signing with the Redskins last offseason.

All that said, we're not sure the Redskins are so willing to give up on Haynesworth just yet -- or give in to his demands, as the case may be -- so this one has to be considered unlikely for now.[/quote]

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Ok, so the AH topic is worn down and out, but for a new spin, after Cerrato was on Sirius defending the signing, Rich Campbell just tweeted:

# Rich_Campbell

Sherman Smith: "Do I think Albert is a bad guy? Absolutely not. Do I think [he] can be disruptive? Yes." 3 minutes ago via TweetDeck

# Rich Campbell

I spoke to Sherman Smith this afternoon about Cerrato's radio comments. He said he told the Redskins about Albert: "Buyer beware." ... 4 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Sherman Smith had pretty much nothing but good things to say about Haynesworth when the Skins were looking to pursue him. Maybe he did say "buyer beware" but he also said Al was a completely changed man after the Gurode incident and he (Smith) never had any problems with him (Haynesworth)

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So unless AH opens his big trap, isn't this situation mum for now?

Fletch talked to AH and says things are ok. MS talked to AH and well didn't say anything, but isn't AH back and practicing?

AH just needs to stay away from reporters for this to either go away or getting him in good graces to get traded.

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[quote=Longtimefan;723428]I really don't know what Shanahan's practice has been in the past regarding practicing vs. playing. I do know that saying if a player dosen't practice he dosen't play is a broad and blanket statement. Curious as to how it would/could be applicable to the r/b's exclusively. I would want to think a statement like that would apply throughout the team. I'll be watching to see how the doctrine is applied as the season moves forward.[/quote]

Yeah, I'll bet it does apply to the whole team. The only reason I say, "with regard to his running backs," is because I've followed running back injuries through the years (and as a consequence, Shanahan's policy on it), but not so much for other positions.

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If we traded him for a sack of dog turds, i'd feel like we won the lottery when the dog turds arrived.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;723584]

Fletch talked to AH and says things are ok. MS talked to AH and well didn't say anything, but isn't AH back and practicing?

QUOTE]

Fletcher is a pro and a gentleman would you expect him to say anything else?

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I think the whole AH drama is a complete fiction. He and Coach Shanahan are tight, and they're playing the media to cultivate the misimpression that there's disharmony at Redskins Park whereas the truth is that everyone is on the same page. But they want their opponents to perceive them as divided and weak, so that we can rip off 16 wins in a row.

Sorry -- I just woke up. What's the topic?

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[quote=Giantone;723603]Fletcher is a pro and a gentleman would you expect him to say anything else?[/quote]

Fletcher and Daniels called AH out during his absence from OTAs, so I don't think they would shy away from calling him out again. As a team leader, I don't think Fletcher would pull something out of his ass or something like it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;723671]Fletcher and Daniels called AH out during his absence from OTAs, so I don't think they would shy away from calling him out again. As a team leader, I don't think Fletcher would pull something out of his ass or something like it.[/quote]

OTAs and 2weeks before the season starts are two different things.Fletcher is a leader...a good one his job once the season starts is to unite not to disrupt.Fletcher is trying to defuse what big Al keeps igniting.

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[quote=calia;723604]I think the whole AH drama is a complete fiction. He and Coach Shanahan are tight, and they're playing the media to cultivate the misimpression that there's disharmony at Redskins Park whereas the truth is that everyone is on the same page. But they want their opponents to perceive them as divided and weak, so that we can rip off 16 wins in a row.

Sorry -- I just woke up. What's the topic?[/quote]

From a source inside the locker room it is real, and NOONE likes AH at the moment.

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[quote=Giantone;723706]OTAs and 2weeks before the season starts are two different things.Fletcher is a leader...a good one his job once the season starts is to unite not to disrupt.Fletcher is trying to defuse what big Al keeps igniting.[/quote]

Yeah but you're basically saying that Fletcher is lying. This is more me believing Fletcher than making any type of defense for Haynesworth. AH has no credibility with anyone right now, but if Fletcher is saying that he had a good talk with AH and that he's doing what he's supposed to now, then I believe Fletcher. Otherwise, Fletcher is making stuff up (as you seem to imply).

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[quote=Ruhskins;723777]Yeah but you're basically saying that Fletcher is lying. This is more me believing Fletcher than making any type of defense for Haynesworth. AH has no credibility with anyone right now, but if Fletcher is saying that he had a good talk with AH and that he's doing what he's supposed to now, then I believe Fletcher. Otherwise, Fletcher is making stuff up (as you seem to imply).[/quote]

I agree that Fletch likely would not just make things up.

I also think that it is unlikely that everything is resolved with AH. Given that AH clammed up right after talking to Fletch, I think that the "he's on board" part that Fletch mentioned means, "He's on board with keeping his crap in-house."

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[quote=Lotus;723778]I agree that Fletch likely would not just make things up.

I also think that it is unlikely that everything is resolved with AH. Given that AH clammed up right after talking to Fletch, I think that the "he's on board" part that Fletch mentioned means, "He's on board with keeping his crap in-house."[/quote]

I don't think it's over. Not by a long shot. I'm sorry but I've played the fool before. Thinking that Zorn would be a good coach, eventually buying into the three pass catchers in the second round, thinking Vinny would actually acquire quality offensive lineman but I've been let down on all counts.

This will blow up again, it's just a question of when. If I'm wrong then awesome, but I thought this was over after the conditioning test was completed and look what happened.

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[quote=Ruhskins;723777]Yeah but you're basically saying that Fletcher is lying. This is more me believing Fletcher than making any type of defense for Haynesworth. AH has no credibility with anyone right now, but if Fletcher is saying that he had a good talk with AH and that he's doing what he's supposed to now, then I believe Fletcher. Otherwise, Fletcher is making stuff up (as you seem to imply).[/quote]



Fletcher and Shanahan are both profesional if that means they give misiformation out for the sake of team unity then so be it,the public really doesn't have the right to know everything that is going on behind closed doors .Do you really think that at this point in a season Fletcher would come out and bash a teammate ? Seems you don't understand the difference in being a leader and lying.(...oh sorry.....spinning):bdh:

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I think Fletcher did put a good spin on it, but if it were absolute balderdash like you seem to think, then he would lose credibility in the locker room.

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[quote=Giantone;723890]Fletcher and Shanahan are both profesional if that means they give misiformation out for the sake of team unity then so be it,the public really doesn't have the right to know everything that is going on behind closed doors .Do you really think that at this point in a season Fletcher would come out and bash a teammate ? Seems you don't understand the difference in being a leader and lying.(...oh sorry.....spinning):bdh:[/quote]

If things were as terrible as you seem to imply, then all Fletcher has to do is not say anything about it. He may have put a spin to it, but it's not like he made the whole thing up period.

Now, are things all fine and peachy, probably not...but what Fletcher said is a step in a positive direction.