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[quote=CrustyRedskin;726007]WOuld somebody please post the total stat for that whole draft class: Thomas, Kelly, and Davis. And lets just take a look and see how much production the skins have gotten from that draft????????????????[/quote]

Malcolm Kelly: 28 Recs, 365 Yds, 0 TDs
Devin Thomas: 40 Recs, 445 Yds, 3 TDs
Fred Davis: 51 Recs, 563 Yds, 6 TDs

Total: 118 Recs, 1373 Yds, 9 TDs

Funny story, those totals are worse than Andre Johnson from last season (outside of receptions).

You know what's not difficult? Going to NFL.com, searching for each player's stats and then posting them...

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;726007]WOuld somebody please post the total stat for that whole draft class: Thomas, Kelly, and Davis. And lets just take a look and see how much production the skins have gotten from that draft????????????????[/quote]


Are we your bitches????


Here you go, find it yourself:


[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/?__utma=1.1236937843.1283277920.1283277920.1283277920.1&__utmb=165250732.2.9.1283277920187&__utmc=165250732&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1283277920.1.1.utmcsr=%28direct%29|utmccn=%28direct%29|utmcmd=%28none%29&__utmv=-&__utmk=211259797]Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;726005]Banks wouldn't make it "over" Thomas. Thomas would be cut to free up the roster spot, then they'd probably play the waiver wire. Banks, if he's not the starting punt returner, probably gets passed through to practice squad after dodging a round of waiver pickups.

LaCanfora mentioned Andre Davis as a guy Kyle Shanahan might be into in order to shore up this gaping hole on our roster.[/quote]Banks will not make the final roster.

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I'm sort of glad Kelly ended up on IR, it seemed inevitable at this point. I would have been a bit disappointed if he had been cut. Right now, I'd like to see Moss, Galloway, Armstrong, Thomas, and Banks with Banks returning kicks, although he may not have helped his cause much against the Jets. I really haven't seen anything at all from Austin that would put him on this team.

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[quote=Paintrain;726003]No way Banks makes it over Thomas. Thomas is far to valuable (and proven) on special teams on coverage and return units plus he's done nothing in the preseason to warrant being cut. Banks has a muff, a fumble and a TD and adds nothing on coverage units. Don't forget also that he will be the backup PR, Buchanon will be the starter when the season starts. You don't keep 5-6, 155 one dimensional rookies over 3rd year players coming into their own.[/quote]

I'm with you.

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Bottom line is both these guys continue to be a major disappointments and both look to be busts. Thanks Vinny.

Thomas cut in our WR corp? No way, we are way to weak even to cut Thomas at this point. I think that would be a mistake. He deserves one season under Shanny.

Malcom Kelly, can someone please tell me why I should give a flying f*ck about this guy? cut'm, IR him, i dont give a sh*t

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Banks is making this team....guaranteed! One only needs to see Shanny's face as he talks about him to know that.

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Thomas is making the team, I don't even see him being on the bubble at this point.

As for Kelly, to be continued...

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[quote=mredskins;726012]Are we your bitches????


Here you go, find it yourself:


[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/?__utma=1.1236937843.1283277920.1283277920.1283277920.1&__utmb=165250732.2.9.1283277920187&__utmc=165250732&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1283277920.1.1.utmcsr=%28direct%29|utmccn=%28direct%29|utmcmd=%28none%29&__utmv=-&__utmk=211259797]Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History[/url][/quote]

lolololol

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[quote=saden1;726020]Banks is making this team....guaranteed! One only needs to see Shanny's face as he talks about him to know that.[/quote]

I feel like Shanahan thinks he's Eddie Royal.

I really hope he ends up making the team, I think he could end up being a good return guy and maybe a nice little gadget player to have.

I'd like to add, I'm not as quick as others to say "Thomas is making the team." Right now, I think he will, but I'm not so sure Shanahan likes him or his hands all that much. (This is really based on nothing other than some strange feeling I have re: Thomas)

Re: Update: Malcolm Kelly To Be Placed On IR
 

Wouldn't be one bit surprised if Thomas gets cut due to the fact that he stinks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;726004]Wonder if they'll even go 6 deep at this point[/quote]

Yeah, regardless of if we go 5 or 6, our receiving corps is suspect at best. Amongst the worst in the league IMO. Cooley and Davis are going to see a lot of targets.

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[IMG]http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.redskins.com/media/2010/08/ap080721010199.jpg[/IMG]from Matt Terl's blog

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i dont think banks is the lock to make the team so many people think he is. I honestly think Austin has a much better shot of making the roster.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;726033][IMG]http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.redskins.com/media/2010/08/ap080721010199.jpg[/IMG]from Matt Terl's blog[/quote]Is that from this year? Do the vets STILL make MK carry their helmets?

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[quote=GMScud;726028]Yeah, regardless of if we go 5 or 6, our receiving corps is suspect at best. Amongst the worst in the league IMO. Cooley and Davis are going to see a lot of targets.[/quote]

Among worst? Ouch...your WRs are as good as the QB throwing to them. Those beautiful on point bullets that McNabb throws are going to make them look good....real good.

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This discussion of basically fringe WRs is why I will watch some of the Thursday night game this week. It really think that Skins/Cardinals game will be a one game tryout for some of these guys to help Shannahan make his final decisions. I think Banks needs to run some pass routes, catch some balls on offense and not fumble/muff some punts. Devin Thomas needs to catch everything within 5 yards of him! Armstrong is just fun to watch, period! I would love to see him become our number 2 WR!

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[quote=wilsowilso;726026]Wouldn't be one bit surprised if Thomas gets cut due to the fact that he stinks.[/quote]

Not a chance.

He's our second or third best WR.

He hasn't done much this preseason...because he hasn't been put on the field. I really think he's a lock to make it, that's why Shanahan has been featuring Armstrong, Williams, Wade, Austin and Banks in the preseason. He has some tough choices to make at the back end of the WR depth chart. Armstrong has stepped up. But beyond that, there are at least 4 good candidates for the final two spots.

Thomas wasn't even on the field for the Jets game...of course he's been quiet. He's supposed to play a lot for the final game, but I don't see how his roster spot is up in the air.

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[quote=Buster;726040]Not a chance.

He's our second or third best WR.

[B]He hasn't done much this preseason...because he hasn't been put on the field.[/B] I really think he's a lock to make it, that's why Shanahan has been featuring Armstrong, Williams, Wade, Austin and Banks in the preseason. He has some tough choices to make at the back end of the WR depth chart. Armstrong has stepped up. But beyond that, there are at least 4 good candidates for the final two spots.

Thomas wasn't even on the field for the Jets game...of course he's been quiet. He's supposed to play a lot for the final game, but I don't see how his roster spot is up in the air.[/quote]

I mean you could be right, but I think he is on serious thin ice.

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Thomas is our biggest WR, most physical, and he returns kicks.

I just don't see him getting the axe.

Given the team's patience with Kelly, I would really be surprised to see Thomas get dropped.

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[quote=GTripp0012;725999]Regarding Kelly's IR...I've gone back and forward over this, but I don't think Devin Thomas is going to make the team. Brandon Banks gets that spot, at least temporarily. Kelly kept (stupidly, I might add) pushing himself to get back out on the practice field when he simply couldn't go, so the ability to IR Kelly and tell the kid to not get worked up over preparing week to week this season and to just be healthy for OTA's, that could save his career in Washington.

Or not. He might just get hurt again and waste everyones time.[/quote]

I think that he'll make the team, Thomas that is.

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[quote=SmootSmack;725980]Seems like only yesterday many of us were ready to push Moss, Portis, and Rogers aside and move on without them...and now they're back to being integral parts of the team[/quote]

It sure looks that way and if Moss can carry this over to the regular season he should have a very good year. I still think JC was a bigger part of the problem then people think. I'm guessing they have seen something in Kelly to keep him here. So I guess that kind of good news.

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[quote=GTripp0012;726005]Banks wouldn't make it "over" Thomas. Thomas would be cut to free up the roster spot, then they'd probably play the waiver wire. Banks, if he's not the starting punt returner, probably gets passed through to practice squad after dodging a round of waiver pickups.

LaCanfora mentioned Andre Davis as a guy Kyle Shanahan might be into in order to shore up this gaping hole on our roster.[/quote]

Yeah I read that from JLC.. if they pick Davis over Thomas I really don't know what to say...

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[quote=Mattyk;726057]Thomas is our biggest WR, most physical, and he returns kicks.

I just don't see him getting the axe.

Given the team's patience with Kelly, I would really be surprised to see Thomas get dropped.[/quote]


Devin Thomas is terrible at returning kicks. Why do people think he is in line for that job?

I do think his blocking on the punt return team is what stands out most favorably.

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[quote=Mattyk;726057]Thomas is our biggest WR, most physical, and he returns kicks.

I just don't see him getting the axe.

Given the team's patience with Kelly, I would really be surprised to see Thomas get dropped.[/quote]Like him on special teams as much as the next guy, but it's not good when a really on the bubble guy can't even get on the field.

Kelly, I think, would have been a very easy cut -- it's not like he has a great shot to make the team next year. But if Shanny already knows Thomas is gone, it makes more sense to not dump Kelly at the same time.

With that said, every spot is open after Moss and Armstrong. Still skeptical that Galloway or Wade or Roydell Williams have a chance to make it, but this team does have more invested in both Banks and Austin than Thomas. I think that's a really bad sign for Thomas, especially now that we know Kelly is going to open next offseason with the team.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;726036]Is that from this year? Do the vets STILL make MK carry their helmets?[/quote]

the other helmet is for his knee

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[quote=wilsowilso;726064]Devin Thomas is terrible at returning kicks. Why do people think he is in line for that job?

I do think his blocking on the punt return team is what stands out most favorably.[/quote]

Terrible? I'd say average

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[quote=wilsowilso;726064]Devin Thomas is terrible at returning kicks. [B]Why do people think he is in line for that job?[/B]

I do think his blocking on the punt return team is what stands out most favorably.[/quote]

Because he's been listed on the depth chart as the main KR since camp opened. He's certainly in the mix.

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[quote=saden1;726037]Among worst? Ouch...your WRs are as good as the QB throwing to them. Those beautiful on point bullets that McNabb throws are going to make them look good....real good.[/quote]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic here or not. Assuming you're not... point on bullets from McNabb? He's notorious for throwing at receivers' feet. Or behind them. However, McNabb has had good seasons with guys like Reggie Brown, Todd Pinkston, and Freddie Mitchell. But that was also with Brian Westbrook in his prime. Yes, I think right now on paper we've got one of the worst receiving corps in the league. How many teams in the league would have Santana Moss as their #1? Ick.

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[quote=GMScud;726093]Not sure if you're being sarcastic here or not. Assuming you're not... point on bullets from McNabb? He's notorious for throwing at receivers' feet. Or behind them. However, McNabb has had good seasons with guys like Reggie Brown, Todd Pinkston, and Freddie Mitchell. But that was also with Brian Westbrook in his prime. Yes, I think right now on paper we've got one of the worst receiving corps in the league. How many teams in the league would have Santana Moss as their #1? Ick.[/quote]

I am not being sarcastic at all...McNabb can throw the deep ball, the out route, fade, the hook, the slat, etc. No more waiting on the QB to throw the damn ball as soon as the WR makes a cut. Sure, he's no Payton Manning but he's better than 90% of the QBs in the league...and the fact that he threw 70% and he had such shitty receivers gives me hope that him and our receivers are going to have a magical year. We'll know soon enough.

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[quote=saden1;726127]I am not being sarcastic at all...McNabb can throw the deep ball, the out route, fade, the hook, the slat, etc. No more waiting on the QB to throw the damn ball as soon as the WR makes a cut. Sure, he's no Payton Manning but he's better than 90% of the QBs in the league...and the fact that he threw 70% and he had such shitty receivers gives me hope that him and our receivers are going to have a magical year. We'll know soon enough.[/quote]

Better than 90% puts him in the top 3ish QBs, which he is not.

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Apparently Kelly's initial diagnosis was incorrect, they had it as a grade 1 strain.. 2nd opinion came up with grade 2

of course it could've just gotten worse

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[quote=saden1;726127]I am not being sarcastic at all...McNabb can throw the deep ball, the out route, fade, the hook, the slat, etc. No more waiting on the QB to throw the damn ball as soon as the WR makes a cut. Sure, he's no Payton Manning but he's better than 90% of the QBs in the league...and the fact that he threw 70% and he had such shitty receivers gives me hope that him and our receivers are going to have a magical year. We'll know soon enough.[/quote]He speaks of the little-known positively correlated relationship between magical-ness and shittyness.

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[quote=tryfuhl;726134]Better than 90% puts him in the top 3ish QBs, which he is not.[/quote]

He didn't say 90% of the starting QBs, just the QBs...which puts him in the top 10ish...which he could be

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[quote=SmootSmack;726139]He didn't say 90% of the starting QBs, just the QBs...which puts him in the top 10ish...which he could be[/quote]

touche

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He was number 12 last year according to QB rating. With Warner retired he can easily move up to 11. Ironically JC was only 3 spots removed from McNabb.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING&d-447263-n=1]NFL Stats: by Player Category[/url]

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[quote=tryfuhl;726134]Better than 90% puts him in the top 3ish QBs, which he is not.[/quote]
Brady, Manning, and Favre....who else is better than McNabb?

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[quote=saden1;726149]Brady, Manning, and Favre....who else is better than McNabb?[/quote]

Drew Brees might be the best QB in the NFL and Aaron Rodgers is going to have another monster year.

I say McNabb is easy top ten, but not top five.

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Drew Brees?

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[quote=saden1;726149]Brady, Manning, and Favre....who else is better than McNabb?[/quote]

For 2010 I'd take Manning, Brady, Aaron Rogers, Tony Romo, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and probably Matt Schaub and Brett Favre over McNabb. I do think he's in the lower half of the top 10 in the league, which is still pretty darn good.