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Doesnt bother me, get rid of him or let him keep returning kickoffs. I would rather get a pick for him honestly.

He did miss time in the offseason, but it was due to injury.

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So by round that breaks down to
1st round --- 3 (92, 95, 01)
2nd round -- 4 (86, 03, 07, 07)
3rd round ---2 (82, 02)
4th ----------3 (84, 94, 97)
5th ----------1
6th ----------1
7th ----------6
8th ----------1
9th ----------0
10th --------1
11th --------3
12th --------3

I don't know what other teams distribution of WR picks is, but using only 7 1st or 2nd round picks on WR's in 29 years, seems like one reason why we have had the drought at WR production.

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[quote=freddyg12;743432]Man, that is depressing. I would argue though that if Westbrook had been a 3rd or maybe even a 2nd round pick, and had not [B]stole[/B] S. Davis, fans would look back at him as being a decent wr, maybe a really good #2. Same for Rod Gardner, he was also a decent #2.[/quote]

I havent heard stole used like that since at least '92...nice

In regards to picking WRs, maybe we need to try free agency cause that is horrendous.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;743450]So by round that breaks down to
1st round --- 3 (92, 95, 01)
2nd round -- 4 (86, 03, 07, 07)
3rd round ---2 (82, 02)
4th ----------3 (84, 94, 97)
5th ----------1
6th ----------1
7th ----------6
8th ----------1
9th ----------0
10th --------1
11th --------3
12th --------3

I don't know what other teams distribution of WR picks is, but using only 7 1st or 2nd round picks on WR's in 29 years, seems like one reason why we have had the drought at WR production.[/quote]

There have been 225 WRs taken in the first 2 rounds of the draft since (including) 1980. Which works out to 7.3/year and about 7* per team.

So, we're roughly in line with the average, probably slightly below when you factor in expansion, but really close. I was surprised at the drought of selections, though between 2003 and 2008

*Did not account for expansion during the years of 1980-2009.

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[quote=jdlea;743487]There have been 225 WRs taken in the first 2 rounds of the draft since (including) 1980. Which works out to 7.3/year and about 7* per team.

So, we're roughly in line with the average, probably slightly below when you factor in expansion, but really close. I was surprised at the drought of selections, though between 2003 and 2008

*Did not account for expansion during the years of 1980-2009.[/quote]

Good numbers, thanks.

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Since I'm going through the motions:

Breakdown by teams:
WRs Drafted in the first 2 rounds since 1980:
ATL: 4
BUF: 10
CAR: 4
CHI: 7
CIN: 9
CLE: 7
IND: 6
ARI: 6
DAL: 9
DEN: 8
DET: 10
GB: 7
HOU: 2
JAX: 3
KC: 5
MIA: 7
MIN: 7
NOR: 7
NE: 10
NYG: 10
NYJ: 8
TEN/HOU: 6
PHI: 9
PIT: 10
OAK: 4
STL/LA: 8
BAL/CLE: 11*
SD: 6
SEA: 6
SF: 4
TB: 8
WAS: 8

*I absorb CLE's draft history into BAL for players drafted before 1995

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

Drafting WRs and QBs early is an absolute crapshoot. Between the Skins lousy record of WRs (Desmond Howard, Michael Westbrook, Rod Gardner, Taylor Jacobs, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly) and QBs (Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell) selected in the first two rounds since the last Super Bowl appearance, one can argue that is the biggest factor in their continued mediocrity since the glory days. For those screaming to draft a WR with next year's #1, I say PLEASE DON'T!!! Continue to build the O and D lines. Great teams are built from the inside out.

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For me it's just so painful having to reflect on the fact this being the 3rd yr. for Thomas, Kelly and Davis, we've reaped so little in return for their lofty draft status.

I'm mindful however of the half season Davis contributed last year in the absence of Cooley, but have often thought about how little we may know of him had Cooley not gotten hurt. I think we'd all like to see Davis more involved in the offense, Kelly's future is still uncertain and now DT could be considered in a trade. This is a mixed bag if there ever was one, if DT can't find a way into the offense, draft picks are sorely needed should the team decide to trade him.

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[quote=Longtimefan;743529]...
if DT can't find a way into the offense, draft picks are sorely needed should the team decide to trade him.[/quote]Good luck getting anything better than a 7th rounder for a special teams player.

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Maybe it's a motivational tool.

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we should contact the pats, randy moss wants out, we should swap him for fat albert, end of our wide out problems.

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[quote=cowboy h8er;743536]we should contact the pats, randy moss wants out, we should swap him for fat albert, end of our wide out problems.[/quote]

Why? One malcontent for another. At least, maybe just maybe AH could be turning it around. Moss has a history of being a prima donna everywhere he's been and I would consider him more of a problem than AH.

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to quote eddie murphay " what have you done for me lately." randy moss puts points on the board. AH puts his foot in his mouth.

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[quote=SouperMeister;743531]Good luck getting anything better than a 7th rounder for a special teams player.[/quote]

That's the problem that's so unrewarding, we draft a guy in the 2nd rd; he has problems developing and 2 1/2 yrs. later we feel fortunate to be able to get a 7th rounder for him in a trade. Unbelievable!!

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[quote=cowboy h8er;743536]we should contact the pats, randy moss wants out, we should swap him for fat albert, end of our wide out problems.[/quote]

He doesn't really "want out" though. He said he wants to be there, but he doesn't think they'll bring him back.

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[quote=Longtimefan;743544]That's the problem that's so unrewarding, we draft a guy in the 2nd rd; he has problems developing and 2 1/2 yrs. later we feel fortunate to be able to get a 7th rounder for him in a trade. Unbelievable!![/quote]

He's like a car: tumbles in value when you drive it off the lot

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Trade DT for a 3rd to 5th round pick, and next year use one of our top picks on AJ Green. That dude is a total freak of nature. Skins need to wait this thing out and draft young talent next year. Shanny and Allen are doing the right thing by not jumping the gun to sell picks for Vincent Jackson or one of these other potential locker room problems.

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Nobody is giving up a 3rd, 4th or 5th round pick for Thomas.

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This just brings me back to the past offseason... If we would've just brought in T.O. when we had the chance, this DT situation wouldn't be talked about like this.

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[quote=Mattyk;743579]Nobody is giving up a 3rd, 4th or 5th round pick for Thomas.[/quote]

Agreed 100%. We'd be lucky for a conditional 6th. I say keep him for return/ST duties and as a 5th WR. No real value in a trade in my opinion.

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[quote=Mattyk;743579]Nobody is giving up a 3rd, 4th or 5th round pick for Thomas.[/quote]

Don't underestimate Al Davis.

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[quote=Beemnseven;743400]My god, when was the last time we drafted a successful wide receiver?[/quote]

Art Monk bro

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It seems like, atleast recently, that talented wide receivers can be had in FA and trades. I know this year was an abnormality but Holmes for a 5th, b marshall for a 2nd (or was it 2 2nds?), housh FA, Boldin for a 2nd or 3rd rounder (steal, that guy is a pro), TO FA, and Im sure there were a couple more.

Just seems like proven wide receivers can be had on the open market vs taking a gamble on drafting a receiver.

Id much rather trade a 2nd rounder next year for someone like v jax vs spending a 2nd on a wide receiver in the draft and hoping for the best. IDk maybe im jaded by vinny's obsession with jacobs, kelly, thomas, russell, etc.

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[quote=skins89moss;743605]Art Monk bro[/quote]

Probably the answer. Michael Westbrook looked good at first, until he went psycho like a lady in a chocolate shop.

At least we're not the Lions, wasting top 5 picks almost EVERY YEAR and they're all busts. They may have finally found someone in Calvin Johnson after about 10 tries.

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

If it is true that Shanny looks to get rid of him because of the offseason training program, that is trully sad and rediculous.

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Other than Randy Moss, what wr can you name that was just flat out awesome in his first year in the league? It seems like year 3, they all start to come alive. Ok maybe Anquin Boldin had a great rookie year as well. Its just hard to draft good WRs.

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Marques Colston from recent memory to name one... drafted 7th round?

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Eddie Royal and Deshean Jackson also had good rookie years...same round and draft as DT &MK

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;743619]Marques Colston from recent memory to name one... drafted 7th round?[/quote]

Listed as a TE on fantasy football...I had him on every team...was completely unfair but I loved it. :D

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I remember that it, that was brutal.

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Not for those of us who noticed after about week 2...hey this rookie WR tearing up the league is listed as a TE!?!?!?

Doubled the output of any TE, was like having an extra roster spot every week. :D

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I had him in my league and was waiting for them to correct it each week.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;743621]Eddie Royal and Deshean Jackson also had good rookie years...same round and draft as DT &MK[/quote]

Please dont bring up Desean Jackson, it makes me want to throw up we didnt get that guy...

but why rehash it, cause everyone wanted a big reciever and its better to waste 2nd round draft picks on a big reciever than a talented one...this was the FO logic then, right?

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I think the fact that we didn't make a trade for vincent jackson proves the worth of this front office. People always clamor for the big flashy guy and when we don't get it we are upset and complain, but now that we have draft picks...it should at least make for a better offseason.

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Someone made mention of frist year recievers not producing.... just bringing up examples of first year wideout makein big contributions.

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It could be worse, like Carolina drafting Dwayne Jarrett in the 2nd and then cutting him after 2 DWI's.

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[quote=geichidanman;743577]Trade DT for a 3rd to 5th round pick, and next year use one of our top picks on AJ Green. That dude is a total freak of nature. Skins need to wait this thing out and draft young talent next year. Shanny and Allen are doing the right thing by not jumping the gun to sell picks for Vincent Jackson or one of these other potential locker room problems.[/quote]

if we want AJ Green we better plan on losing out cause he's going in the top 3 picks. It would be nice though. Don't worry, solid value can be had in Julio Jones and Jonathon Baldwin and a few other stars that could fall to us. Still need OL and DL help too though. a CB wouldn't be bad either.

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[quote=tootergray34;743710]if we want AJ Green we better plan on losing out cause he's going in the top 3 picks. It would be nice though. Don't worry, solid value can be had in Julio Jones and Jonathon Baldwin and a few other stars that could fall to us. [B]Still need OL and DL help too though[/B]. a CB wouldn't be bad either.[/quote]I will be disappointed if the 1st [I]and[/I] 2nd round picks aren't used to get younger on both lines. I could also accept drafting an athletic OLB to play opposite Orakpo, but drafting a WR has proven worse than a crapshoot for this organization. I had hoped that Thomas or Kelly would have emerged this season, but having seen zero progress in three years, we should address WR with a [I]proven[/I] free agent before making another draft mistake at that position.

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[quote=SouperMeister;743714]I will be disappointed if the 1st [I]and[/I] 2nd round picks aren't used to get younger on both lines. I could also accept drafting an athletic OLB to play opposite Orakpo, but drafting a WR has proven worse than a crapshoot for this organization. I had hoped that Thomas or Kelly would have emerged this season, but having seen zero progress in three years, we should address WR with a [I]proven[/I] free agent before making another draft mistake at that position.[/quote]

I wouldn't be disapointed at all if we didn't use either on O or D line.

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Devin for Randy Moss? ;)