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What a disaster! Unbelievable!

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[quote=SmootSmack;769833]So an earlier report says McNabb and Grossman were told at the beginning of the week. But now I guess Shanahan is saying he let them all know yesterday for the rest of the year Rex is #1, and Beck is #2

One of my favorite scenes ever from The Cosby Show perfectly captures my feelings toward this. It's not so much the news, it's how the news was delivered (you can skip to the 2:17 mark)

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AND that McNabb may not be back next year......
Skins Fan Hysteria attack # 66 for wk of 12/12 over?

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If it's any consolation. Grossman totally owns Kitna!

[url=http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=260917003]Detroit Lions vs. Chicago Bears - Recap - September 17, 2006 - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=huntz;769838]Stop wasting draft picks on bad deals; start drafting better and start over...AGAIN!!! And why is Shanny calling ALL the shots? Why did they hire Bruce Allen if it seems he doesn't do anything here? We continue to see this same movie each season...and the ending stinks![/quote]

The only thing Bruce Allen did was vouch for the Tampa retreads like Bidwell and Galloway.

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Shanny should quit or be fired, make Kyle the HC, bring in Josh McD as OC so we can have a boy-band coaching staff. LOL.

So it's safe to say now that we've wasted a year on an expensive QB band aid.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;769727]I could see Shanny putting John Beck in so we can see what the guy is capeable of, but theres already more than enough film out there on grossman. Also, if we're moving on from McNabb next year, then why the heck would we bench him? all it does is destroy his trade value. we will not get a THING for mcnabb now. we really did just piss a 2nd and 3rd rounder away. [B]Speaking of film, with all the film out there on McNabb, if shanahan didnt like him, why did we even trade for him. [/B]McNabb has been exactly what we all expected he would be here. whats shananan so upset about? [QUOTE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Excellent question. And there’s no better question with which to expose the inadequacies of this organization. There seems to be little strategic continuity between the coaching staffs, the personnel choices, the long-term drafting strategy, etc, etc. [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]And ultimately, I’m just tired; tired of complaining about the front office, tired about listening to others complain about the front office, just as I’m tired of the embarrassment and failure of the team. Tired, tired, tired. [/FONT][/SIZE]

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This still goes back to the Vick situation. I don't care what you guys think of him but the Skins had a HUGE opportunity to bring him in for cheap. Before Vick went to the Eagles I was all over this because I thought it be a great chance for us to get a proven QB that is still young and for a cheap price. It was a low risk high reward situation. I'm still pissed that we didn't make a move on Vick.

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Seriously go get Orton them draft a QB and let him sit for 2 years. Kyle isn't a bad QB and he's pretty damn accurate.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;769847]This still goes back to the Vick situation. I don't care what you guys think of him but the Skins had a HUGE opportunity to bring him in for cheap. Before Vick went to the Eagles I was all over this because I thought it be a great chance for us to get a proven QB that is still young and for a cheap price. It was a low risk high reward situation. I'm still pissed that we didn't make a move on Vick.[/quote]


Well I think you are doing a disservice to Andy Reid and company because they have a lot to do with what Vick is today. If Vick came here with Zorn or MS he probaly be where DM5 is right now.

This team is just an epic fail at this point.

I don't even defend them anymore I am just like yea that suck to other NFL fans, so f--king sad.

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If I knew that MS was going to waste a 2nd and a 3rd on DM, then maybe we should've drafted Bradford instead of giving Philly those picks.

Personally, I would have rather seen some less expensive mediocre QB (JC, Rex) at the helm, drafted a quality player with the 2nd, and have an almost full compliment of draft picks for 2011.

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[quote=mredskins;769849]Well I think you are doing a disservice to Andy Reid and company because they have a lot to do with what Vick is today. If Vick came here with Zorn or MS he probaly be where DM5 is right now.

This team is just an epic fail at this point.

I don't even defend them anymore I am just like yea that suck to other NFL fans, so f--king sad.[/quote]

Vick would not have cost two draft picks. And maybe his scrambling ability would have been useful with our terrible o-line.

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[quote=Ruhskins;769850]If I knew that MS was going to waste a 2nd and a 3rd on DM, then maybe we should've drafted Bradford instead of giving Philly those picks.

Personally, I would have rather seen some less expensive mediocre QB (JC, Rex) at the helm, drafted a quality player with the 2nd, and have an almost full compliment of draft picks for 2011.[/quote]


For like the billionth time Bradford was never an option, we don't have anything the Rams would have want more then Bradford sans a decade of 1st round picks.

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[quote=mredskins;769852]For like the billionth time Bradford was never an option, we don't have anything the Rams would have want more then Bradford sans a decade of 1st round picks.[/quote]

A 1st and a 2nd in 2010, and a 3rd in 2011? I think they would have traded. By the way, I was not one for Bradford, it's just that I feel that the 2nd and 3rd given up for McNabb have been an utter waste.

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Skins were definitely interested in Bradford, they and the Rams were the only teams that had him in for workouts. You have to conclude that the Rams simply weren't interested in trading down, and after passing on several other top young QBs in recent years you can't blame them.

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[quote=Ruhskins;769853]A 1st and a 2nd in 2010, and a 3rd in 2011? I think they would have traded. By the way, I was not one for Bradford, it's just that I feel that the 2nd and 3rd given up for McNabb have been an utter waste.[/quote]

People's subjective valuations can be much higher than the supposed "market value". If the Rams FO rated Bradford as the next great one to join the class of Montana, etc, 3 1st rounders may have been needed.

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WTF!!! This shit just gets keeps getting better and F-ing better. Redskins Love Drama. I will be laughing this Sunday.

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[quote=mooby;769820]I remember back to asking the question,"Why trade for McNabb if you know you are rebuilding?" And I guess this answers the question in the sense that Shanny agrees with me in that it was the wrong move if we are truly "rebuilding." I will agree that this is probably just the Shannies admitting it was a mistake and moving on. I doubt McNabb plays another down for the Redskins, but it is better to admit it was a mistake and move on rather than the alternative.

Good luck to McNabb and I do hope wherever he goes that he finds success as long as it isn't against the Redskins. I do feel he deserved to be treated better than this [B]but this is just part of the business that is the NFL[/B].[/quote]

i agree with everything but the last line. i would say we are one of the few teams that can do this to a future hof-er. the gross mismanagment of this teams personel has got to be the worst in the nfl. and i'm not talking about this year alone, hands down we have to have one of the worst track records in the past decade in player turnover.

smootsmack eluded to it earlier, mcnabb is injured and most likely shanahan is done with mcnabb and wants to move on. if the two parties had any respect for each other this would have been handled very differently, but hey thats just my opinion

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I would love to know what Shanny has or hasnt seen that makes him know DM isnt gonna get it done.

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The only way i can get on board with McNabbs benching is if Shanahan applies the same rule accross the board -
1) Rabach's been ineffective. time for him to go.
2) If the offense doesnt explode under Grossman, then kyle shanahan must be fired for innefectiveness. zorn could come back as offensive coordinator. he'd represent an immediate upgrade over kyle.
3) Haslett and and the entire defensive coaching staff.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;769863]The only way i can get on board with McNabbs benching is if Shanahan applies the same rule accross the board -
1) Rabach's been ineffective. time for him to go.
2) If the offense doesnt explode under Grossman, then kyle shanahan must be fired for innefectiveness. zorn could come back as offensive coordinator. he'd represent an immediate upgrade over kyle.
3) Haslett and and the entire defensive coaching staff.[/quote]

Who knows with the coaches but it's pretty obvious that a lot of these players are going to be gone, hopefully including Rabach which we are all looking forward to.

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Hmmmmm, maybe it wasn't all AH, yup I said it. How the hell can DM be the scapegoat with so many flawed positions around him, also if this is a transitional year why this move now??? Shanny's job must already be on the line.

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I haven't read too many posts. My first reaction is I'm not suprised and I can't say as I blame them for trying another QB. Our season is lost. No playoffs. DM hasn't been playing well even though the Oline is obviously bad. Even w/ that he isn't playing very well. I can't blame him, b/c he's been getting killed this year. Why not give the other guy some time?

I'm just made that we gave away a couple draft picks for him if he isn't our future.

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[quote=irish;769862]I would love to know what Shanny has or hasnt seen that makes him know DM isnt gonna get it done.[/quote]

Well the way he's telling it is that now that we're eliminated he needs to evaluate his other QBs. Which I suppose could lead one to infer that he believed that as long as we were in playoff contention, DM5 was the one to get it done

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[quote=tdSKINS1;769847]This still goes back to the Vick situation. I don't care what you guys think of him but the Skins had a HUGE opportunity to bring him in for cheap. Before Vick went to the Eagles I was all over this because I thought it be a great chance for us to get a proven QB that is still young and for a cheap price. It was a low risk high reward situation. I'm still pissed that we didn't make a move on Vick.[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]As much as i wanted him too i dont think theres any chance Mike Vick would have had any success here. At this point in his career he needs stability; something the Redskins have lacked since Danny took over. As much as it pains me to say, the truth is Philly is a really well run franchise where questionable guys can come in and do well. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Just think about how the eagles have handled getting rid of McNabb interdivision, starting Kolb, benching Kolb (after his recovery from injury) for Vick, benching Kolb again (after Vick became healthy) for Vick. They have a more erratic fan base too and they still pulled it better off than the Redskins have with our QB events; not signing McNabb to a extension early in the season, benching McNabb for Grossman w 2min left in a winnable game, signing McNabb to a extension, and now after 2 weeks of rumors of benching McNabb for Grossman.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I am personally for the move to bench him at this point in the season because the season is OVER. Lets test out the players we have and see if they can make contributions to the team next year. I think McNabb is the better of the 2 qb’s by far but wants the point in continuing to play him. It should be audition time for all the not so big names, imo. We know what to expect from most other guys, let the rest of the guys make or not make a name for themselves.

Also, ive said this before but this has been the toughest season for me. I really just don’t care anymore, I really don’t. Even though its “dallas week” I wasn’t even really going to watch the game. Maybe lay on my couch nurse a hangover, drink enough to fall asleep at a reasonable hour, and flip around channels crossing my fingers for a movie on tbs or something. Now I am actually kind of excited/curious and want to watch just to see how horrible, great, or unremarkable Grossman plays. A lot of QBs have been labeled failures or busts with their initial teams and have ended up having great careers. Why do people have hate for a guy that hasn’t really even ever been given the chance with us before?[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=SmootSmack;769872]Well the way he's telling it is that now that we're eliminated he needs to evaluate his other QBs. Which I suppose could lead one to infer that he believed that as long as we were in playoff contention, DM5 was the one to get it done[/quote]

Did any other coach here under Snyder ever do this?? Other than spurrier flip flopping between Shane Matthews and Danny Weurfull, i can't think of anybody else being benched except for when Gibbs pulled Ramsey for Brunell, and then benched Brunell in 2006 when we were mathmatically eliminated....

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[quote=SmootSmack;769872]Well the way he's telling it is that now that we're eliminated he needs to evaluate his other QBs. Which I suppose could lead one to infer that he believed that as long as we were in playoff contention, DM5 was the one to get it done[/quote]

Sounds good Smoot but makes no sense. Not you, but the situation in general. What will Rex show him that he has not already seen? Shanny is pointing the finger at eveyone but himself. It's time.

Why hasnt B. Bankks been given a bigger roole as WR? That may have helped DM out some. There are many adjustments that can be made with what we have to work with. That's just 1 example and thats on Shanny. IMO

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This team is FINALLY going to get blown up. Thank you, thank you, thank you, it's about gd time.

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I just heard DM has been demoted to 3rd string.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;769879]This team is FINALLY going to get blown up. Thank you, thank you, thank you, it's about gd time.[/quote]

if only we hadnt given up a 2nd and a 3rd rounder for a guy who would be benched for a guy who was already on the roster after 13 weeks.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;769847]This still goes back to the Vick situation. I don't care what you guys think of him but the Skins had a HUGE opportunity to bring him in for cheap. Before Vick went to the Eagles I was all over this because I thought it be a great chance for us to get a proven QB that is still young and for a cheap price. It was a low risk high reward situation. I'm still pissed that we didn't make a move on Vick.[/quote]

Hindsight is 20/20.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;769881]if only we hadnt given up a 2nd and a 3rd rounder for a guy who would be benched for a guy who was already on the roster after 13 weeks.[/quote]

All true, but spilled milk nonetheless. I just don't believe that Shanahan fully appreciated what a circle jerk, cluster **** of a franchise he was inheriting. Now that he has a grasp of the scope of this job, he's blowing it up and starting over. About 8 months after I would have liked to have seen it happen, but oh well.

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I think Shanny wanted to give a playoff run a shot this year. Now that it is obvious that is not going to happen I am hopeful that this will begin a major overhaul for the whole team. I don't think Snyder brought Shanny in here for one year. It's not like we are throwing away a winning team, we didn't have much to start with as it is. All I have to say is this. Use the Raheem Morris model. Jettison vets and do a complete rebuild...

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[quote=SmootSmack;769872]Well the way he's telling it is that now that we're eliminated he needs to evaluate his other QBs. Which I suppose [B]could lead one to infer that he believed that as long as we were in playoff contention, DM5 was the one to get it done[/B][/quote]

This was my point in previous post, but what purpose is now served by benching DMac?

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Maybe they've seen enough of McNabb all season to know that he isnt going to get any better, and he is allegedly injured (again). He is aging so they know that there was not much more to get out of McNabb than what we have already seen.

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/12/17/week-15/]Rex Grossman over Donovan McNabb? Redskins have some explaining to do - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

Great article here by Peter King. He basically says that Andy Reid and Mike Shanahan have gave McNabb the thumbs down. Also said that Washington was the only team interested in trading a high pick for the past-his prime QB. Oakland could have got him for a 4th rounder....

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I read this in the wash posts' "DC Sports Bog" after the Detroit game. It's a very revealing read for those like me that have only watched Shanahan's career from afar until recently. Take a look, Shanahan has made pretty brash qb decisions over the years:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/11/a_short_history_of_mike_shanah.html]D.C. Sports Bog - A short history of Mike Shanahan benching his quarterback[/url]

On a side note, this blog is becoming more newsworthy than Skins Insider. Steinberg's intent is humor, but in poking fun at things he actually does some research that brings things to light like this.

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I can't stop laughing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;769843]If it's any consolation. Grossman totally owns Kitna!

[URL="http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=260917003"]Detroit Lions vs. Chicago Bears - Recap - September 17, 2006 - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

Yeah but the Cowboys own Grossman. Something has to give on Sunday. And this quote from KSK sums the game up perfectly: Sunday Sunday Sunday! Rex Grossman battles Jon Kitna! Live from 2006!

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"Definition of Redskins Football is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

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[quote=mlmpetert;769874]
Now I am actually kind of excited/curious and want to watch just to see how horrible, great, or unremarkable Grossman plays. A lot of QBs have been labeled failures or busts with their initial teams and have ended up having great careers. Why do people have hate for a guy that hasn’t really even ever been given the chance with us before?[/quote]

you cannot be serious. we are talkin about rex f-in grossman, [url=http://www.nfl.com/players/rexgrossman/profile?id=GRO597298]Rex Grossman, QB for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com[/url] , yeah that guy.

i guess you are trying to make the best out of the situation and yes now i'm more interested in watching the game than i was before. the thing that really irks me is the lack of direction of this team. at this point shanahan looks like he is in over his head and is treading water.

and you talk about vick coming in but the guy that i would have loved to keep around was jc. it all goes back to the bullshit philosphy of win now. we could have easily kept campbell and seen if he could have fit into the system, while they tried to rebuild a team instead of bringing in aging players and guys who were out of the league last year. the desicions that shanny has made so far are questionable at best. i think one of his biggest mistakes was getting rid of jc and betts, we could have riden them out for one more year instead of shipping off draft picks and aquiring crappy retread rb's

bottom line is this team doesn't look like it will ever succed with snyder as an owner. ever since he has takin the reins we have gotten worse by the year. we keep diggin ourselfs further into a hole with no way to get back out. it's become very evident in the past few years that he could care less about the team winning as long as he makes money. our team was practicing in a ****in washington sports club yesterday, the washington redskins were practicing on a basketball court at a local ****in gym. people can defend him all they want but the guy is all about the money, yeah i know he wants to win but thats not his first priority. if it was he would be more concerned with an outdoor practice facility than putting more seats in fedex.

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Something behind the scenes had to of happened, there is no way MS/BA would give up a 2nd round pick for a QB to play 13 games, yes Mcnabb hasn't played very good but it's far from his fault, he has Bo WRs, No Run game and a shaky at beat OL. Williams is a stud but everyone else is avg at best. I do t understand this team anymore, who cares what they do **** them as a whole organization!