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From your link

The deferred salary is based on a 1998 agreement in which Cheney elected to defer compensation earned in 1999 for his employment as CEO of Halliburton. This deferred salary is paid in annual installments, with interest, over the five years after Cheney's retirement from Halliburton.

That agreement is in writing and was done before DC was even in office or even running as VP. Trying to make something from nothing.

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[quote=Tiggwin;786580]Ok Lotus now go back and re read what I wrote... the statement Ruhskins made was that we invaded to steal their oil... [B]I simply corrected Ruhskins by saying that we didnt invade to steal oil... if we had why dont we have it?? [/B] We went in "under the threat" of WMD's... I didnt say that we found any first off... and secondly if you think the UN neutered Saddam in any way you are grossly mistaken... As a matter of fact Russia, France as well as Germany all 3 still had oil contracts with Saddam that directly violated the UN Sanction of Oil for Food. Also during the whole Monica Lewinski scandal in 1998 Saddam kick the weapons inspectors out of Iraq [B]so for more than 5 yrs we had not monitored their weapons programs[/B] so when the [B]NIE came across Bush's desk in February of 2003 stating that Iraq HAD purchased or ATTEMPTED to purchase Urainium yellowcake from Niger we couldnt verify whether he did or didnt. [/B] Now to Bush's credit he spent 13 months trying to get Saddam to allow weapons inspector back in so we could verify what programs he did or didnt have... he balked at us and refused. Bush finally made a stand and told Saddam that if we didnt have weapons inspectors on the ground in Iraq by March of 2003 that we would attack.. Saddam continued to "Stand defiantly in the face of the US!!" Im sure you remember all of those headlines in the USA Today etc... all the papers ran it as a cover page headline... I was in the first Persian Gulf War and I knew when we left that we would have to go back... it was just a matter of how long would it take. In the future read what I have written before you just automatically assume Im on one side or the other.[/quote]

Please update your information:

1) I agree that your were responding to Ruh's claim about oil. I did read your post. But you went on to talk about WMD's, which was mistaken. I responded to that.

2) There were UN weapons inspectors in Iraq until the bombs started dropping in March 2003. Bush, however, was too impatient to let them do their work.
[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/17/iraq/main544280.shtml]Weapons Inspectors Leave Iraq - CBS News[/url]

Also, your view fails to take into account that if we wanted to stop the spread of WMD's, Iran and N.Korea were obviously better targets.

3) The claim about the purchase of uranium from Niger proved to be hoaxed. CIA director George Tenet told the White House that the documents were false yet the White House continued to make the claim. Joe Wilson revealed the hoax. Then, in retaliation, a senior Bush administration official "outed" his wife Valerie Plame as a CIA agent, thus effectively ending her career in the field.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries]Niger uranium forgeries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

All of this is why I said that you were the victim of "obsolete propaganda."

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[quote=Ruhskins;786467]Good point, how 'bout we stick to the topic, and quit bashing current and former presidents.[/quote]

yeah that was actually the context of the "give it a rest" comment, probably should have said stick to the topic. It was right after the thread title change and FD couldnt wait to blame Obama for Oil prices. Still relevant as a result of whats going on, but not directly. Had to reference the short term memeory issue, but bottomline...presidents really cant do anything about it oil price. But when it comes to policy and alternatives to foreign oil, yeah something can be done.

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[quote=firstdown;786582]From your link

The deferred salary is based on a 1998 agreement in which Cheney elected to defer compensation earned in 1999 for his employment as CEO of Halliburton. This deferred salary is paid in annual installments, with interest, over the five years after Cheney's retirement from Halliburton.

That agreement is in writing and was done before DC was even in office or even running as VP. Trying to make something from nothing.[/quote]

It does not matter for this issue when the deferments started. The fact is that while in office Cheney had a stake in Halliburton's profitablity (without that profitability he could not have been paid his deferments).

So, by your own argument, Cheney had a stake in Halliburton's financial success in Iraq during the war.

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[quote=Lotus;786593]It does not matter for this issue when the deferments started. The fact is that while in office Cheney had a stake in Halliburton's profitablity (without that profitability he could not have been paid his deferments).

So, by your own argument, Cheney had a stake in Halliburton's financial success in Iraq during the war.[/quote]

You ned to read a little better.

From The Link:

[SIZE=3]On the other hand, there is a possibility that if the company went bankrupt it would be unable to pay. That raises the theoretical possibility of a conflict of interest -- if the public interest somehow demanded that Cheney take action that would hurt Halliburton it could conceivably end up costing him money personally. So to insulate himself from that possible conflict, Cheney purchased an insurance [/SIZE][URL="http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Cheney%20Insurance%20Agreement.pdf"][SIZE=3][COLOR=#023f7e]policy[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=3] (which cost him[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] $14,903) that promises to pay him all the deferred compensation that Halliburton owes him even if the company goes bust and refuses to pay. [/FONT][/SIZE]

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[quote=firstdown;786620]You ned to read a little better.

From The Link:

[SIZE=3]On the other hand, there is a possibility that if the company went bankrupt it would be unable to pay. That raises the theoretical possibility of a conflict of interest -- if the public interest somehow demanded that Cheney take action that would hurt Halliburton it could conceivably end up costing him money personally.[B] So to insulate himself from that possible conflict, Cheney purchased an insurance [/B][/SIZE][B][URL="http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Cheney%20Insurance%20Agreement.pdf"][SIZE=3][COLOR=#023f7e]policy[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][/B][SIZE=3][B] (which cost him[/B][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][B] $14,903) that promises to pay him all the deferred compensation that Halliburton owes him even if the company goes bust and refuses to pay.[/B] [/FONT][/SIZE][/quote]

He's a real piece of work...Evil genius!

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[quote=saden1;786623]He's a real piece of work...Evil genius![/quote]

Its done more often then you would think because people who run for office have interest in busnesses which can be a conflict no matter how big or small they may be.

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[quote=firstdown;786620]You ned to read a little better.

From The Link:

[SIZE=3]On the other hand, there is a possibility that if the company went bankrupt it would be unable to pay. That raises the theoretical possibility of a conflict of interest -- if the public interest somehow demanded that Cheney take action that would hurt Halliburton it could conceivably end up costing him money personally. So to insulate himself from that possible conflict, Cheney purchased an insurance [/SIZE][URL="http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Cheney%20Insurance%20Agreement.pdf"][SIZE=3][COLOR=#023f7e]policy[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=3] (which cost him[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] $14,903) that promises to pay him all the deferred compensation that Halliburton owes him even if the company goes bust and refuses to pay. [/FONT][/SIZE][/quote]

But as an unpaid consultant during his time in office, he'd still rather get the money from Halliburton rather than an insurance policy, right? And he wanted to return to financial involvement with Halliburton after he was in office, right?

Please stop defending the indefensible. Between Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, and Bechtel, Cheney had a strong financial stake in the Iraq war. It is just that simple.

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[quote=firstdown;786544]That was just a fabrication of the left and never the reason for the war.[/quote]

Neither was WMDs.

Once again, reason nothing gets done in this country, people are too busy sticking to their party line and don't know much about compromise. Each side blindly bitches about the other side. For every complaint that the left makes, you can find a similar complain from the right and vice versa. And for every f*ck up the right makes, you can find something similar from the left.

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[quote=Lotus;786632]But as an unpaid consultant during his time in office, he'd still rather get the money from Halliburton rather than an insurance policy, right? And he wanted to return to financial involvement with Halliburton after he was in office, right?

Please stop defending the indefensible. Between Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, and Bechtel, Cheney had a strong financial stake in the Iraq war. It is just that simple.[/quote]

I don't even give a rats ass I'm just pointing out what you seem to keep reading over. Why would DC even care who gives him the money? You keep saying he had this financial stake in the war but you have no evidence even when the evidence say he did not.

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Why do we say, rat's ass?

Where did that come from, First?

How come it's not a roach's ass...or an elephant's ass. Or a monkey's nose? I don't appreciate the way we disparage rats around here.

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[quote=12thMan;786655]Why do we say, rat's ass?

Where did that come from, First?

How come it's not a roach's ass...or an elephant's ass. Or a monkey's nose? I don't appreciate the way we disparage rats around here.[/quote]

[url=http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Where+does+the+saying+rats+ass+come+from]Let me google that for you[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;786648]I don't even give a rats ass I'm just pointing out what you seem to keep reading over. Why would DC even care who gives him the money? You keep saying he had this financial stake in the war but you have no evidence even when the evidence say he did not.[/quote]

Actually I've produced a lot of evidence above. But you ignore it because you don't give a "rat's ass."

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[quote=Lotus;786662]Actually I've produced a lot of evidence above. But you ignore it because you don't give a "rat's ass."[/quote]

Funny,

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So, back to the Middle East, anything new going on?

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We just froze $30 Billion in Libyan assets. I think we're sending a couple of ships over there as we speak, which means we might try to impose a no fly zone.

Other than that, Gaddafi is insane and will hopefully be gone very, very soon.

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[quote=Ruhskins;786686]So, back to the Middle East, anything new going on?[/quote]

The Mubaraks waited too long to get money out of the bank and flee.
[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110228/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt;_ylt=AtDSg9LIM_609G2YKYPBhVZvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTJlajk5MXI4BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwMjI4L21sX2VneXB0BHBvcwMxMQRzZWMDeW5fYXJ0aWNsZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA2VneXB0c2VpemVzbQ--]Egypt seizes Mubarak family funds - Yahoo! News[/url]

[QUOTE=12thMan;786687]We just froze $30 Billion in Libyan assets. I think we're sending a couple of ships over there as we speak, which means we might try to impose a no fly zone.

Other than that, Gaddafi is insane and will hopefully be gone very, very soon.[/QUOTE]

Yeah he is

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[quote=12thMan;786687]We just froze $30 Billion in Libyan assets. I think we're sending a couple of ships over there as we speak, which means we might try to impose a no fly zone.

Other than that, Gaddafi is insane and will hopefully be gone very, very soon.[/quote]


Wouldn't that be considered nation building?

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[quote=firstdown;786824]Wouldn't that be considered nation building?[/quote]

No, it's called genocide prevention.

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[quote=firstdown;786824]Wouldn't that be considered nation building?[/quote]

How is that nation building? Not even close.

What we're doing in Afghanistan is nation building.

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[quote=12thMan;786902]How is that nation building? Not even close.

What we're doing in Afghanistan is nation building.[/quote]

Well if we are fighting back the leaders so others who support someone else can take over I'd say thats nation building. Interfering in any way is really nation building. I did not say if it was right or wrong.

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[quote=Lotus;786589]Please update your information:

1) I agree that your were responding to Ruh's claim about oil. I did read your post. But you went on to talk about WMD's, which was mistaken. I responded to that.

2) There were UN weapons inspectors in Iraq until the bombs started dropping in March 2003. Bush, however, was too impatient to let them do their work.
[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/17/iraq/main544280.shtml]Weapons Inspectors Leave Iraq - CBS News[/url]

Also, your view fails to take into account that if we wanted to stop the spread of WMD's, Iran and N.Korea were obviously better targets.

3) The claim about the purchase of uranium from Niger proved to be hoaxed. CIA director George Tenet told the White House that the documents were false yet the White House continued to make the claim. Joe Wilson revealed the hoax. Then, in retaliation, a senior Bush administration official "outed" his wife Valerie Plame as a CIA agent, thus effectively ending her career in the field.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries]Niger uranium forgeries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

All of this is why I said that you were the victim of "obsolete propaganda."[/quote]

the statement I made about WMD's being the reason we went into Iraq is NOT a mistake.. now they may not have been there but me saying that is why we went is correct.

there were 56 total people (according to CBS) in the entourage of people.. thats all?? in a country the size of Iraq? Thats acceptable to you? haha uh.... okay... when there were almost a thousand upto 1998... do you see a drastic difference in numbers? Also Saddam Hussein wouldnt allow them to move freely... they had to continually inspect the same areas that Saddam would allow them to inspect.. thats not inspecting so you can believe what you like.

The whole thing about the report of purchase of yellowcake from Niger wouldnt have even been an issue if good ole Billy Boy could kept his little Willy in his pants and Monica out from under his desk...

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[quote=Tiggwin;786988]the statement I made about WMD's being the reason we went into Iraq is NOT a mistake.. now they may not have been there but me saying that is why we went is correct.

there were 56 total people (according to CBS) in the entourage of people.. thats all?? in a country the size of Iraq? Thats acceptable to you? haha uh.... okay... when there were almost a thousand upto 1998... do you see a drastic difference in numbers? Also Saddam Hussein wouldnt allow them to move freely... they had to continually inspect the same areas that Saddam would allow them to inspect.. thats not inspecting so you can believe what you like.

The whole thing about the report of purchase of yellowcake from Niger wouldnt have even been an issue if good ole Billy Boy could kept his little Willy in his pants and Monica out from under his desk...[/quote]

The thing that seems to get lost is that UN said he had them, Bill Clinton said he had them, most every major power said he had them, and that was even before Powell went before the UN. Bill Clinton and his wife even agreed that we needed to go after Saddam. Not sure why Saddam tried to fool the world but it work and now he is dead. I'm not trying to make the point for going to war I'm just saying this was something that the world thought way before Bush tried to convince anyone of WMDs.

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[quote=Tiggwin;786988]the statement I made about WMD's being the reason we went into Iraq is NOT a mistake.. now they may not have been there but me saying that is why we went is correct.

there were 56 total people (according to CBS) in the entourage of people.. thats all?? in a country the size of Iraq? Thats acceptable to you? haha uh.... okay... when there were almost a thousand upto 1998... do you see a drastic difference in numbers? Also Saddam Hussein wouldnt allow them to move freely... they had to continually inspect the same areas that Saddam would allow them to inspect.. thats not inspecting so you can believe what you like.

[B]The whole thing about the report of purchase of yellowcake from Niger wouldnt have even been an issue if good ole Billy Boy could kept his little Willy in his pants and Monica out from under his desk...[/B][/quote]

So the Bush administration forged documents to support a war and thus lied to the American people and you blame...Clinton.

This is precisely why I am a political independent. People who identify with parties often end up excusing their side when their side does something terrible. This is true for Republicans and Democrats alike.

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[quote=firstdown;786989]The thing that seems to get lost is that UN said he had them, Bill Clinton said he had them, most every major power said he had them, and that was even before Powell went before the UN. Bill Clinton and his wife even agreed that we needed to go after Saddam. Not sure why Saddam tried to fool the world but it work and now he is dead. I'm not trying to make the point for going to war I'm just saying this was something that the world thought way before Bush tried to convince anyone of WMDs.[/quote].

1. The UN never said he had WMDs.
2. Clinton said they had a WMD program and we couldn't allow him to get them.
3. The Bush administration said he had them and must be taken out.

Notice how North Korea had WMDs too and they weren't taken out? People who have WMDs are harder to take out because they have real WMDs and will use them if war is at their door step. Sadam was scum and needed to be taken out, how it was done was just as scummy.

War = [URL="http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/WhosProfitingFromTheIraqWar.aspx?page=all"]Profit[/URL].

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[quote=saden1;787000].

1. The UN never said he had WMDs.
2. Clinton said they had a WMD program and we couldn't allow him to get them.
3. The Bush administration said he had them and must be taken out.

Notice how North Korea had WMDs too and they weren't taken out? People who have WMDs are harder to take out because they have real WMDs and will use them if war is at their door step. Sadam was scum and needed to be taken out, how it was done was just as scummy.

War = [URL="http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/WhosProfitingFromTheIraqWar.aspx?page=all"]Profit[/URL].[/quote]

You guys on the left seem to forget all the people who said Sadam had them or a program to develop them and also supported the war. This is a bias site but he is using quotes from the people so I'll say its probably correct info. [URL="http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/demsonwmds.php"]If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People -- Version 3.0 - Right Wing News (Conservative News and Views)[/URL]

Do we have sanctions or a cease-fire agreement with NK?

Actually if you just go to youtube and type in Democrats WMDs you can find video after video of Dems saying he has WMDs or is building a WMD program and needs to be stopped. These clips are prior to Bush and Powell speech before the UN. I'm saying if the war is right or wrong just trying to point out how the left said the same thing as Bush but now call him the liar.

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[quote=firstdown;786915]Well if we are fighting back the leaders so others who support someone else can take over I'd say thats nation building. Interfering in any way is really nation building. I did not say if it was right or wrong.[/quote]

Well nation buidling, to simplify it a bit, is when the U.S. commits considerable assets to rebuiling a nation's infrastructure, it's government, and there's a long-term military occupation and strategy in place.

The goal is to promote and spread democracy in said region and help it become politically and economically stable. It's what we did in Iraq and it's what we're sort of doing in Afghanistan, though the White House won't say so.

The situation in Libya is completely different on so many levels, namely we aren't at war with Libya and Libya poses no real threat to U.S. borders. This is turning into an international human rights crisis that has a significant economic impact on the price of oil. At least short term.

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[quote=Lotus;786996]So the Bush administration forged documents to support a war and thus lied to the American people and you blame...Clinton.

This is precisely why I am a political independent. People who identify with parties often end up excusing their side when their side does something terrible. This is true for Republicans and Democrats alike.[/quote]

YES!!! WITH A RESOUNDING YES!! I blame Clinton. I guess you dont remember the late 90's (1998 to be exact) when all the scandal sh*t was going on with Clinton, Saddam pushed out ALL of the weapons inspectors. He may have eventually allowed 56 people made up of weapons inspectors and support staff but that was a drop in the bucket compared to what was in Iraq prior to 1998. During the whole Monica Lewinski scandal Clinton should have manned up... admitted he had sexual relations with that woman... and gone about the business of enforcing the UN sanctions... Also as Firstdown has pointed out.. if you watch all of the videos of Dem's (when they were in power that is) talking about how Saddam needed to be stopped yada yada yada... its sickening to see the lies coming out of their mouths in the aftermath of the invasion. That whole Bush Bashing Campaign was nothing more than Dem's trying to take power back in the White House.. and they did it on the back of our Soldiers. I am a former Marine.. I was in the First Persian Gulf War.. there are many subjects (Lotus) that we can debate on and you catch me in the wrong.. but this aint one of them. Also there is sooooo much shit that you dont either know or pay attention to that are facts. ie after we went into Afghanistan and broke up the Taliban and the Al Qaeda training camps there.. were do you think they moved?? Yep Dats Rite!! to Nothern Iraq. So with the "FACT" that Al Qaeda was in Iraq.. (ie Al Qaeda in Iraq) and there was intelligence that ALL of the World believed to be true in that Saddam had WMD's doesnt matter to you does it?

You call yourself and independent... I bet youre an independent Socialist... I am an Independent as well... I am an Independent Conservative. I used to call myself Republican until I started to see the big spending mentality that they have as well. Call me a Teabagger... YEP sure love my TEA!!

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You guys ever find yourself out and suddenly you really need to find a restroom? So you go to the nearest restaurant and there's a sign that says "Restrooms for Customers Only"

So then you're like, well damn what do I do. Do I just move on and try to find the next place, or do I buy some fries for a dollar and then use the bathroom?

So I'm not saying the Parking Lot is a bathroom but this is a Redskins fan site, first and foremost. The Locker Room is where we serve our meals and the reason people are joining, to consume Redskins info. Someone who only posts in the Parking Lot, and never actually talks about the Redskins-on a Redskins fan site...it's kind of like walking into our restaurant just to use our bathroom.

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[quote=Tiggwin;787168]YES!!! WITH A RESOUNDING YES!! I blame Clinton. I guess you dont remember the late 90's (1998 to be exact) when all the scandal sh*t was going on with Clinton, Saddam pushed out ALL of the weapons inspectors. He may have eventually allowed 56 people made up of weapons inspectors and support staff but that was a drop in the bucket compared to what was in Iraq prior to 1998. During the whole Monica Lewinski scandal Clinton should have manned up... admitted he had sexual relations with that woman... and gone about the business of enforcing the UN sanctions... Also as Firstdown has pointed out.. if you watch all of the videos of Dem's (when they were in power that is) talking about how Saddam needed to be stopped yada yada yada... its sickening to see the lies coming out of their mouths in the aftermath of the invasion. That whole Bush Bashing Campaign was nothing more than Dem's trying to take power back in the White House.. and they did it on the back of our Soldiers. I am a former Marine.. I was in the First Persian Gulf War.. there are many subjects (Lotus) that we can debate on and you catch me in the wrong.. but this aint one of them. Also there is sooooo much shit that you dont either know or pay attention to that are facts. ie after we went into Afghanistan and broke up the Taliban and the Al Qaeda training camps there.. were do you think they moved?? Yep Dats Rite!! to Nothern Iraq. So with the "FACT" that Al Qaeda was in Iraq.. (ie Al Qaeda in Iraq) and there was intelligence that ALL of the World believed to be true in that Saddam had WMD's doesnt matter to you does it?

You call yourself and independent... I bet youre an independent Socialist... I am an Independent as well... I am an Independent Conservative. I used to call myself Republican until I started to see the big spending mentality that they have as well. Call me a Teabagger... YEP sure love my TEA!![/quote]

I was in the Gulf War, too. And before you start yelling Semper-Fi at me, my ship hit an Iraq contact mine that ripped the hull wide open.

But I'm not sure what my Naval experience, your career as a Marine, Monica Lewinsky or Bill Clinton have to do with George W. Bush invading Iraq under false pretenses. I think it's one thing to say previous administrations were suspicious of Saddam and that he posed a national security threat, it's another to invade and occupy a sovereign nation without provocation or legitimate and verifiable intelligence. It's simply not justifiable. There's no question we strengthened, emboldened, and multiplied terrorists groups around the globe as a result. And in the process damaged our standing with the Arab and Muslim world.

But hey, I'm an independent liberal so what do I know.

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[quote=Tiggwin;787168]YES!!! WITH A RESOUNDING YES!! I blame Clinton. I guess you dont remember the late 90's (1998 to be exact) when all the scandal sh*t was going on with Clinton, Saddam pushed out ALL of the weapons inspectors. He may have eventually allowed 56 people made up of weapons inspectors and support staff but that was a drop in the bucket compared to what was in Iraq prior to 1998. During the whole Monica Lewinski scandal Clinton should have manned up... admitted he had sexual relations with that woman... and gone about the business of enforcing the UN sanctions... Also as Firstdown has pointed out.. if you watch all of the videos of Dem's (when they were in power that is) talking about how Saddam needed to be stopped yada yada yada... its sickening to see the lies coming out of their mouths in the aftermath of the invasion. That whole Bush Bashing Campaign was nothing more than Dem's trying to take power back in the White House.. and they did it on the back of our Soldiers. I am a former Marine.. I was in the First Persian Gulf War.. there are many subjects (Lotus) that we can debate on and you catch me in the wrong.. but this aint one of them. Also there is sooooo much shit that you dont either know or pay attention to that are facts. ie [B]after we went into Afghanistan and broke up the Taliban and the Al Qaeda training camps there.. were do you think they moved?? Yep Dats Rite!! to Nothern Iraq.[/B] So with the "FACT" that Al Qaeda was in Iraq.. (ie Al Qaeda in Iraq) and there was intelligence that ALL of the World believed to be true in that Saddam had WMD's doesnt matter to you does it?

You call yourself and independent... I bet youre an independent Socialist... I am an Independent as well... I am an Independent Conservative. I used to call myself Republican until I started to see the big spending mentality that they have as well. Call me a Teabagger... YEP sure love my TEA!![/quote]

You are talking about the al Qaeda affiliated group Ansar al-Islam. Yes, they were in northern Iraq. They were in the "No Fly Zone" which was not controlled by Saddam. We controlled the no-fly zone in the air. Therefore we could have bombed the heck out of Ansar al-Islam and wiped those guys out without ever invading.

Since they were in the northern no-fly zone, they were outside of Saddam's control. Thus there was no connection between them and Saddam. If you don't believe me, read the U.S. Army report which says the same thing that I am.

I will give you credit for one thing: at least you are honest about your blaming Clinton for Bush's lies, no matter how foolish a stance that is.

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Tiggwin, since you are a Tea Party person, certainly you want to avoid wasteful government spending and budget deficits. Please notice that the Iraq war put us $1.2 trillion in debt (mostly to China, our lovely financial ally). If all we wanted to do was to take down Saddam, we could have done it much cheaper. For example, there were several assassination attempts on Saddam and some came close to working. We could have provided materials to ensure that the next attempt would work, and we could have done so much, much cheaper than $1.2 trillion.

Now I realize that such assassinations have been illegal since Bush I. But unprovoked wars are also illegal under international law.

Basically, if our goal was to take out Saddam, we could have done it in a much cheaper way. Why do you continue to support the way that was much more expensive and therefore much more wasteful? Are you true to your Tea Party principles or not?

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[quote=Lotus;787199]Tiggwin, since you are a Tea Party person, certainly you want to avoid wasteful government spending and budget deficits. Please notice that the Iraq war put us $1.2 trillion in debt (mostly to China, our lovely financial ally). If all we wanted to do was to take down Saddam, we could have done it much cheaper. For example, there were several assassination attempts on Saddam and some came close to working. We could have provided materials to ensure that the next attempt would work, and we could have done so much, much cheaper than $1.2 trillion.

Now I realize that such assassinations have been illegal since Bush I. But unprovoked wars are also illegal under international law.

Basically, if our goal was to take out Saddam, we could have done it in a much cheaper way. Why do you continue to support the way that was much more expensive and therefore much more wasteful? Are you true to your Tea Party principles or not?[/quote]

The war was never illegal because we were just enforcing the cease fire agreement.

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[quote=SmootSmack;787186]You guys ever find yourself out and suddenly you really need to find a restroom? So you go to the nearest restaurant and there's a sign that says "Restrooms for Customers Only"

So then you're like, well damn what do I do. Do I just move on and try to find the next place, or do I buy some fries for a dollar and then use the bathroom?

So I'm not saying the Parking Lot is a bathroom but this is a Redskins fan site, first and foremost. The Locker Room is where we serve our meals and the reason people are joining, to consume Redskins info. Someone who only posts in the Parking Lot, and never actually talks about the Redskins-on a Redskins fan site...it's kind of like walking into our restaurant just to use our bathroom.[/quote]

Funny you say that. I come to the site read a few Redskin Post and maybe make a few post then come here because I get tired of reading the same thing over and over again. Yea, I know. [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=firstdown;787357]The war was never illegal because we were just enforcing the cease fire agreement.[/quote]

We did not enforce a cease-fire. We attacked first. It was the only unprovoked war in American history.

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[quote=Lotus;787402]We did not enforce a cease-fire. We attacked first. It was the only unprovoked war in American history.[/quote]

You really live in your own little world.

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[quote=SmootSmack;787186]You guys ever find yourself out and suddenly you really need to find a restroom? So you go to the nearest restaurant and there's a sign that says "Restrooms for Customers Only"

So then you're like, well damn what do I do. Do I just move on and try to find the next place, or do I buy some fries for a dollar and then use the bathroom?

So I'm not saying the Parking Lot is a bathroom but this is a Redskins fan site, first and foremost. The Locker Room is where we serve our meals and the reason people are joining, to consume Redskins info. Someone who only posts in the Parking Lot, and never actually talks about the Redskins-on a Redskins fan site...it's kind of like walking into our restaurant just to use our bathroom.[/quote]

So given this scenerio, are they're certain people that flush and one's that don't? And who's good at lifting the lid is what I really want to know.

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[quote=SmootSmack;787186]You guys ever find yourself out and suddenly you really need to find a restroom? So you go to the nearest restaurant and there's a sign that says "Restrooms for Customers Only"

So then you're like, well damn what do I do. Do I just move on and try to find the next place, or do I buy some fries for a dollar and then use the bathroom?

So I'm not saying the Parking Lot is a bathroom but this is a Redskins fan site, first and foremost. The Locker Room is where we serve our meals and the reason people are joining, to consume Redskins info. Someone who only posts in the Parking Lot, and never actually talks about the Redskins-on a Redskins fan site...it's kind of like walking into our restaurant just to use our bathroom.[/quote]

Its more like going to the local carnival because you saw the roller coaster you love to ride and getting side tracked by the freak shows. LOL

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No one here is talking about Libya?