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Jim Trotter says Eagles are getting DRC and a 2nd for Kolb...and Kolb is getting $30 million guaranteed

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[quote=SmootSmack;814681]Jim Trotter says Eagles are getting DRC and a 2nd for Kolb...and Kolb is getting $30 million guaranteed[/quote]

Wow...glad we stayed away from that.

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I don't know why the Cards didn't just give up a 3rd and get Orton. A solid QB who can work in a variety of systems. Guess I am just not sold on the fact that Kolb is "all that".

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Orton to Mia?

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Wow the Cards are over paying like no other. DRC should have been more than enough...hell the eagles should have sent Kolb and a 2nd for him!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;814714]Orton to Mia?[/quote]

Yup, I've heard that. Just not sue why the Cards prefer Kolb to Orton. Orton is a proven commodity, Kolb not so much. Kolb had some good games but he also had some really crappy one too. Not sure I would bet the ranch on that when I could have had a competent, (relatively) young, proven starter in Orton for much cheaper price both from a trade compensation and salary point of view.

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SS give me the latest on Skins targets and Cullen Jenkins please

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[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AoEKB3WP9QqJP_v3kb5Lmnw5nYcB?slug=ap-seahawks-rice"]Rice to Seattle?[/URL]

Ol' Petey is building a solid team there... not sold on Tarvaris, yet.

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[quote=SmootSmack;814681]Jim Trotter says Eagles are getting DRC and a 2nd for Kolb...and Kolb is getting $30 million guaranteed[/quote]

Cards are gettin' raped. Kolb should be worth a 2nd, or DRC. No way he's worth both. It'll be interesting to see how he plays in Arizona, if he fails, then this'll go down as one of the biggest coups since Roy Williams went to Dallas.

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In terms of AZ, they may see overpaying as increasing odds on two counts: Getting your targeted QB and keeping your franchise WR beyond this season.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;814737]SS give me the latest on Skins targets and Cullen Jenkins please[/quote]

I don't really have anything new right now

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Maybe Lotus' boy Richard Bartel will be available again...though some rumors have the Cardinals letting Max Hall go, which seems silly to me

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New reports saying that $30 million may have been an exaggerated number. Not sure though. Base contract will average to about $10 million a year, supposedly

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[quote=SmootSmack;814763]New reports saying that $30 million may have been an exaggerated number. Not sure though. Base contract will average to about $10 million a year, supposedly[/quote]

That's as bad as a rookie who gets drafted in the first round and has never seen an NFL field. Has Kolb really been productive enough in the few games he's started to warrant that?

Sounds like the Cardinals just got butt f&@%ed by the Walrus.

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[quote=SmootSmack;814763]New reports saying that $30 million may have been an exaggerated number. Not sure though. Base contract will average to about $10 million a year, supposedly[/quote]

Clayton just said around $12M/yr. That's crazy for a guy who's started a grand total of 7 games in the NFL.

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[quote=GMScud;814768]Clayton just said around $12M/yr. That's crazy for a guy who's started a grand total of 7 games in the NFL.[/quote]

Well, the have to spend the money somewhere. XD

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Wow. Just Wow. Maybe Kolb's all that. I just have a very "Scot Mitchell" feeling about him.

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Kolb is good but not $12 mil. good.

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Well I'm sure Brandon Marshall is happy. Last time he and Orton were together he caught 100+ passes. If Miami manages to get the Reggie Bush trade completed they're going to surprise a lot of teams this year.

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Jay Glazer reporting the Saints and Dolphins are talking a Reggie Bush trade. Contingent on Bush agreeing to take a pay cut and also agreeing to the trade.

Here's the link:

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Reggie-Bush-New-Orleans-Saints-Miami-Dolphins-trade-072711]New Orleans Saints' Reggie Bush New Orleans Saints Miami Dolphins - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

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Good move for Miami after DeAngelo stayed in Carolina and Bradshaw priced himself out of a deal.

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so stokley, gaffney, s moss, stallworth... and maybe edwards still?

stallworth is 100/game for the 6 games he'll be healthy ;) gaffney is a nice #4, stokley is done i believe, moss is fine and that's a good price for us. at least we're not throwing a lot of money at WR though we've still improved depth. and with AA and hankerson we should be fine.

still waiting on jenkins and someone on the OL though. wilson is a good pickup at CB, but i think rogers is better.

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Can't see how anyone can say, or justify, Rogers being better than Wilson.

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[quote=mooby;814839]Jay Glazer reporting the Saints and Dolphins are talking a Reggie Bush trade. Contingent on Bush agreeing to take a pay cut and also agreeing to the trade.

Here's the link:

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Reggie-Bush-New-Orleans-Saints-Miami-Dolphins-trade-072711]New Orleans Saints' Reggie Bush New Orleans Saints Miami Dolphins - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/url][/quote]

Reggie Bush will be going to IR alot sooner than usuall in Miami's style of play, also in that division. Good luck with that Reggie

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Looks like the Eagles signed Babin, per Schefter.

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Brandon Stokely is out per Grant Paulson. Not coming to Washington, they signed too many receivers per his agent.

These threads are making my head spin.

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I just heard on the radio that the Steelers cut OT Max Starks. I think he'd be worth a look.

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[quote=GMScud;815008]I just heard on the radio that the Steelers cut OT Max Starks. I think he'd be worth a look.[/quote]

This guy is 340 lbs and one of the "less mobile" tackles in the league, no thanks. I'll take him as a NT though.

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[quote=Mattyk;814960]Can't see how anyone can say, or justify, Rogers being better than Wilson.[/quote]

despite his terrible hands, his zone coverage and tackling are fine. he's not a world beater and he's not trash... he's somewhere in between, but i don't think wilson is an upgrade from what i saw of him last year.

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Wilson graded out much higher than CR last year, of course it's tough to compare them directly because there are so many other factors involved. I just think CR is too inconsistent, and his inability to make plays (INTs) is well known. Time to move on.

I'm also hoping Barnes is ready to step up.

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[quote=That Guy;815017]despite his terrible hands, his zone coverage and tackling are fine. he's not a world beater and he's not trash... he's somewhere in between, but i don't think wilson is an upgrade from what i saw of him last year.[/quote]

A lot of football people would disagree with you. Just saying.

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[quote=Ruhskins;815022]A lot of football people would disagree with you. Just saying.[/quote]I'm not one of them. I think Josh Wilson has a real chance to develop into an above average NFL corner (people who said he had a great year in 2010 are on the money), but Rogers was already there: where people who are in the know think Wilson can be.

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Reggie Bush Traded to Miami.

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3600/reggie-bush]Reggie Bush - Miami Dolphins - 2011 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;815024]I'm not one of them. I think Josh Wilson has a real chance to develop into an above average NFL corner (people who said he had a great year in 2010 are on the money), but Rogers was already there: where people who are in the know think Wilson can be.[/quote]

Yeah. But would you break the bank for Rogers? He is looking for a big payday. So if you had to chose which would pick: Big pay day for Rogers or what we paid for Wilson?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;815081]Yeah. But would you break the bank for Rogers? He is looking for a big payday. So if you had to chose which would pick: Big pay day for Rogers or what we paid for Wilson?[/quote]Wilson.

I've just take exception to the vocal minority asserting he's already an upgrade on Rogers. Misses the point.

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If Rogers caught at least half of the INTs he's dropped each year, he'd be considered one of the best, but sadly he can't catch a cold. I like the addition of Josh Wilson and we can let the market set a price on Rogers. Perhaps Rogers finds out that he has much less demand than he previously thought and wants to come back at a reasonable rate. That I would be fine with, but he's not good enough for #1 money.

As for Wilson, I like him and think he'll be fine. He won't be great though and he'll struggle with bigger receivers but he can also return punts which makes him valuable as well.

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Marcus Stroud on the market now

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[quote=GTripp0012;815088]Wilson.

I've just take exception to the vocal minority asserting he's already an upgrade on Rogers. Misses the point.[/quote]

If Wilson picks up where he left off last year, is he an upgrade?

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[quote=GTripp0012;815088]Wilson.

I've just take exception to the vocal minority asserting he's already an upgrade on Rogers. Misses the point.[/quote]

Gotcha. Point taken and I agree that Los was an above average corner. Could have been a regular pro-bowler corner had he held onto half the ball that hit him in the hands.

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[quote=Mattyk;815095]If Wilson picks up where he left off last year, is he an upgrade?[/quote]Uh, probably. Thing is, he would have needed to re-sign in Baltimore to do that.

I'm interested to grade him side by side against Hall, a known commodity at this point. Wilson does seem like a good fit for this scheme, whatever that is worth.