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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;815181]How have we improved talent offensively from 2010?[/quote]

We now have the Clemens-to-Stallworth connection. :silly:

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;815181]How have we improved talent offensively from 2010?[/quote]

Rabach is gone and T. Williams will have a year under his belt. I think that's a start.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;815181]How have we improved talent offensively from 2010?[/quote]

On paper, the WR's and RB's will undoubtedly be improved. The OL should also be better pending a couple of moves. QB is still a question mark.

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rabach being gone doesnt help us because we dont know who his replacement will be or how they will perform.

T. WIlliams having an extra year under his belt doesnt help at all... especially when he skipped all the player-led workouts

We dont know if brown is coming back so our line, which was in flux all year, will continue to be in flux. its going to take alot of time for whomever are starters are to gel.

Add to that we got rid of a fairly mobile qb who escaped a ton of sacks last year for a John Beck. I know that McNabb didnt light it up last year but there's no way Beck will perform better than him, especially without a solid o-line in front of him.

We dont have a single proven running back on our roster.

We have added alot of receives, but none of them constitute clear upgrades over what we had last year. yeah we resigned moss at a good price, but you cant tell me he will put up better numbers a year older with john beck throwing to him behind an offensive line in flux.

our defense will improve this year by default, but, given everything we've seen thus far, our offense should project to be MUCH worse than it was last year. Free agency has just begun so theres plenty of time to add some guys, but as of right now, there is ZERO reason to beleive the offense will be improved.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;815202]rabach being gone doesnt help us because we dont know who his replacement will be or how they will perform.

[B]T. WIlliams having an extra year under his belt doesnt help at all... especially when he skipped all the player-led workout.[/B][/quote]

Really? A whole year of NFL experience as a starting LT gets trumped by skipping player-led workouts? I think you are reaching here with this comment.

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Beck will get the ball out quicker than DM. DM might have avoided some sacks, but he caused his fair share by not making quick decisions.

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[quote=Mattyk;815207]Beck will get the ball out quicker than DM. DM might have avoided some sacks, but he caused his fair share by not making quick decisions.[/quote]

And having a center that can block and not step on the QBs foot will help.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;815202]rabach being gone doesnt help us because we dont know who his replacement will be or how they will perform.

T. WIlliams having an extra year under his belt doesnt help at all... especially when he skipped all the player-led workouts

We dont know if brown is coming back so our line, which was in flux all year, will continue to be in flux. its going to take alot of time for whomever are starters are to gel.

Add to that we got rid of a fairly mobile qb who escaped a ton of sacks last year for a John Beck. I know that McNabb didnt light it up last year but there's no way Beck will perform better than him, especially without a solid o-line in front of him.

We dont have a single proven running back on our roster.

We have added alot of receives, but none of them constitute clear upgrades over what we had last year. yeah we resigned moss at a good price, but you cant tell me he will put up better numbers a year older with john beck throwing to him behind an offensive line in flux.

our defense will improve this year by default, but, given everything we've seen thus far, our offense should project to be MUCH worse than it was last year. Free agency has just begun so theres plenty of time to add some guys, but as of right now, there is ZERO reason to beleive the offense will be improved.[/quote]

I am glad for football back, but man can you be any more negative? rebuilding and re-working a perennial loser (:() is not a 1 step process, and competition is never a bad thing.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;815202]rabach being gone doesnt help us because we dont know who his replacement will be or how they will perform.

T. WIlliams having an extra year under his belt doesnt help at all... especially when he skipped all the player-led workouts

We dont know if brown is coming back so our line, which was in flux all year, will continue to be in flux. its going to take alot of time for whomever are starters are to gel.

Add to that we got rid of a fairly mobile qb who escaped a ton of sacks last year for a John Beck. I know that McNabb didnt light it up last year but there's no way Beck will perform better than him, especially without a solid o-line in front of him.

We dont have a single proven running back on our roster.

We have added alot of receives, but none of them constitute clear upgrades over what we had last year. yeah we resigned moss at a good price, but you cant tell me he will put up better numbers a year older with john beck throwing to him behind an offensive line in flux.

our defense will improve this year by default, but, given everything we've seen thus far, our offense should project to be MUCH worse than it was last year. Free agency has just begun so theres plenty of time to add some guys, but as of right now, there is ZERO reason to beleive the offense will be improved.[/quote]

You and Tripp need to go sit in the corner and mumble into your coffee about how miserable the world is.

I would suggest that every receiver signed is an absolute upgrade over anything we had last year at the 3/4 spots (Galloway/Williams) and that it is possible that Hankerson or some other receiver may show themselves to upgrades over Anderson at the 2 spot.

As for RB's, perhaps, but RB's good RB's (not great) RB's are relatively easy to find. Torrain/Williams are both starters and filled in well for CP last year. So we have a running back by committee, NO won a SB with that - their "lead" rusher that year was an uproven, undrafted guy.

Our O-Line is instantly better by dumping Casey "when I'm not holding, I'm whiffing" Rabach. Is there still some work to be done - yup. But to say the line won't improve after a year in Shanny's system. McNabb a mobile QB who "eluded sacks" maybe. I also saw a guy who held the ball too long so that he had to run.

It all depends on the play of the QB - I think that the FO has already provided this team better tools for the QB than it had last year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;815204]Really? A whole year of NFL experience as a starting LT gets trumped by skipping player-led workouts? I think you are reaching here with this comment.[/quote]

Yeah, that was - to me - one of the most inane critiques made. TW will have a full second training camp and has shown a dedication to his craft by changing his diet in the offseason. So he missed some, essentially, 7-7 drills that build some camraderie. Somehow, I think the other players will get over that.

Really, to me, that comment just demonstrated a determination to be negative.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;815202]rabach being gone doesnt help us because we dont know who his replacement will be or how they will perform.

T. WIlliams having an extra year under his belt doesnt help at all... especially when he skipped all the player-led workouts

We dont know if brown is coming back so our line, which was in flux all year, will continue to be in flux. its going to take alot of time for whomever are starters are to gel.

Add to that we got rid of a fairly mobile qb who escaped a ton of sacks last year for a John Beck. I know that McNabb didnt light it up last year but there's no way Beck will perform better than him, especially without a solid o-line in front of him.

We dont have a single proven running back on our roster.

We have added alot of receives, but none of them constitute clear upgrades over what we had last year. yeah we resigned moss at a good price, but you cant tell me he will put up better numbers a year older with john beck throwing to him behind an offensive line in flux.

our defense will improve this year by default, but, given everything we've seen thus far, our offense should project to be MUCH worse than it was last year. Free agency has just begun so theres plenty of time to add some guys, but as of right now, there is ZERO reason to beleive the offense will be improved.[/quote]

Dude are you even a fan of this team.........got damn !

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;815202]rabach being gone doesnt help us because we dont know who his replacement will be or how they will perform.

T. WIlliams having an extra year under his belt doesnt help at all... especially when he skipped all the player-led workouts

We dont know if brown is coming back so our line, which was in flux all year, will continue to be in flux. its going to take alot of time for whomever are starters are to gel.

Add to that we got rid of a fairly mobile qb who escaped a ton of sacks last year for a John Beck. I know that McNabb didnt light it up last year but there's no way Beck will perform better than him, especially without a solid o-line in front of him.

We dont have a single proven running back on our roster.

We have added alot of receives, but none of them constitute clear upgrades over what we had last year. yeah we resigned moss at a good price, but you cant tell me he will put up better numbers a year older with john beck throwing to him behind an offensive line in flux.

our defense will improve this year by default, but, given everything we've seen thus far, our offense should project to be MUCH worse than it was last year. Free agency has just begun so theres plenty of time to add some guys, but as of right now, there is ZERO reason to beleive the offense will be improved.[/quote]

Dude you are soooo way to negative. Take a moment and think back to the Titans game and think about how the OL played almost 100% better when Mongomery filled in for Rahbach.

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[quote=SBXVII;815222]Dude you are soooo way to negative. Take a moment and think back to the [B][/B]Titans game and think about how the OL played almost 100% better when Mongomery filled in for Rahbach.[B][/B][/quote]

This..... My brother and I always bring up that game. It was like night and day

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[quote=Mattyk;815157]Talent wise the D should be much improved and deeper, and include better fits for the 3-4 overall.

Offensively the talent is improved but I think it's going to take some time to come together due to the shortened offseason.[/quote]

The offense is probably going to be worse.

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Hey Smoot,

I don't think we need to start a new thread, unless you do, but can you or whoever is the OP on one of these threads post a list of all the additions, deletions, and possibles on the first page so we don't have to thumb through all the pages of who we got, lost and are thinking about?....... please.

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Cowboy's DE Stephen Bowen is a Skin

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From SportsTrust:

"Our Stephen Bowen is now a #Redskin!"

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Redskins reached agreement with former Cowboys DE Stephen Bowen on a 5-year, $27.5 million deal that includes $12.5 million in guarantees.
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Does this mean no Jenkins?!?! I assume it does thats a lot of money

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I dont know anything about him but thats some big money. Stats arent good but its a 3/4 end so stats dont really mean anything...if hes why Ware gets his sacks then im all for him eating up linemen for us instead

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BHC that's a whole lotta negativity about this team. And the comment about Trent Williams being worse off than last year despite a whole year of getting acclimated to the speed of the NFL game clearly shows your negative agenda. I realize most of the signings we've made have been of the mediocre talent variety, but who cares? Just trust in the coaching staff, because if they don't know what they're doing, it'll become obvious fairly soon.

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Why is it so much easier for Haslett to get all the D-lineman he wants or thinks he needs, but our O-line....nothing. Second year running.

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Hey, you probably know this, but we signed Stephen Bowen from the cowboy

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Why does everyone still think Snyder is making all the decisions around here?

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4114/stephen-bowen]Stephen Bowen - Washington Redskins - 2011 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/url]

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any info on bowen? that's a lot of money for a guy that's started 11 games over 5 years...

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btw, billy volek is a UFA... 62% completion and way more TDs then Ints... he'd be a great pickup.

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Any chance we still sign C. Jenkins?

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[quote=SkinzWin;815265]Why does everyone still think Snyder is making all the decisions around here?

[URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4114/stephen-bowen"]Stephen Bowen - Washington Redskins - 2011 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/URL][/quote]

Idiots in the media...they have their own decade-old perceptions about the Skins and will never bother to take a look at facts to change them. Just laugh and move on.

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[quote=That Guy;815274]btw, billy volek is a UFA... 62% completion and way more TDs then Ints... he'd be a great pickup.[/quote]

Chargers want him back

And at 35 years old....they can have him

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[quote=SmootSmack;815302]Chargers want him back

And at 35 years old....they can have him[/quote]

35 years old and just a couple of flashes in his long career. He's a lot like Todd Collins.

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[quote=That Guy;815274]btw, billy volek is a UFA... 62% completion and way more TDs then Ints... he'd be a great pickup.[/quote]

If we wanted a backup then maybe. Unfortunately we have plenty of backups but no starters.

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[quote=12thMan;815078]Per Grant Paulsen, team will let Rocky walk and Riley is in at ILB.[/quote]

Smart move.

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Jason Laca says the saints are now in the mix for C Jenkins.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html]Redskins have plenty of cap space after trading Albert Haynesworth, cutting veterans - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;815389][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html"]Redskins have plenty of cap space after trading Albert Haynesworth, cutting veterans - The Insider - The Washington Post[/URL][/quote]



WOW!


Good thing Vinny is not here. That much spending money in his control would be scary.

That much for Allen...I am excited to see what else we do. Clearly we're nowhere close to being done. Bonus: Cowboys are in cap hell and losing more players than they are getting. I think they're destined for the basement.

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Looks to me that all that's left is some OL (Brown, hopefully Joseph), maybe Edwards and possibly Franklin.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;815405]Looks to me that all that's left is some OL (Brown, hopefully Joseph), maybe Edwards and possibly Franklin.[/quote]

Franklin is not going to be on the list. We have our NT already. Last I read, we are in talks with Brown and if that falls through, Harris (FA from denver) is plan B.

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Would like Fanklin but dont see it happening now. I am pleased with the moves we have made so far, not incredibly excited like I normally am, that probably says a lot for how good these moves have been!

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It's a breath of fresh to sign the number of quality free agents signed now, in comparison to 2 years ago when Vinny spent $155 Million on Haynesworth and D. Hall.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/28/jenkins-to-redskins-deal-dead/]Jenkins-to-Redskins deal dead | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;815419][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/28/jenkins-to-redskins-deal-dead/]Jenkins-to-Redskins deal dead | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Wow, was kind of hoping we could pair him with bowen, Cofield, Carriker, Rak, Riley and Kerrigan for a pretty awesome front 7.

Any news on Kerrigan Matty/SS?