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[quote=GTripp0012;815237]And the Redskins have now exceeded the CBA requirement for cash spent in the 2011 season, doing so with 30+ million of deadcap.[/quote]

The Redskins need to keep all of these players till their contracts expire, at least a very high portion of them. Having dead cap year after year is a drag and just leads to more dead cap because you have to keep giving high signing bonuses to get above the cash spent minimum floor. Lets just ride everyone we have for 5 years and see where we get.

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[quote=GTripp0012;815386]It's more like 65%-70% isn't it? Certainly not every play, but the vast majority of first and second downs.[/quote]Majority of first downs. If our run D is solid, greater than 50% of 2nd downs should be passing downs. This doesn't consider 2 min & 4 min offense. My percentages are close to actual.

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I don't think we can predict any percentages yet. Last year we did not have proper 3-4 personnel so we can't base anything on 2010.

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[quote=Mattyk;815351]And[B] I thought bolstering the D-line would make people happy.[/B]

I can't wait to see the joy when we start signing some O-lineman.[/quote]

Sound, quality personnel moves getting younger and more talented that do not break the bank............Go figure...........

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Former Cowboys usually end up as disasters for us no matter how hard we try. Hopefully, the guy is a break from that trend.

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Tweet Rick Mease via Grant Paulsen: Stephen Bowen said, "When free agency hit at 10 am, (Skins) called at 10:01"

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[quote=12thMan;815690]Tweet Rick Mease via Grant Paulsen: Stephen Bowen said, "When free agency hit at 10 am, (Skins) called at 10:01"[/quote]

Gotta say im surprised. I had a pretty negative knee jerk reaction at first, but after thinking bout it more starting think this may be better than acquiring Jenkins. Thats still alot of money for guy who hasnt done alot, but obviously Dallas seems pretty devastated bout losing him, much more than Giants were then about losing Cofield. Hopefully his potential will grow into that contract. HTTR

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[quote=Paintrain;815374]What Shanahallen are doing is creating competition for positions. For too many years players were paid into roles on this team and our results are clearly evident of such. Of the signings we've made thusfar, I don't know that any of them scream 'immediate starter'. We went from having depth that didn't want to be here (Haynesworth), was injured (Kemo) or should have been retired (Daniels) to younger, more athletic, enthusiastic players. [B]HOW IS THIS A BAD THING[/B]?[/quote]

Because we asked for it ! Don't you understand ? If we are given what we asked for then we must complain ! Come on Pain, I thought you would know this by now...tisk tisk tisk :cool-smil Just blaze up and enjoy the confusion :food-smil

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[quote=Ruhskins;815308]I just hope we have enough left to sign a quality offensive lineman.[/quote]

Ditto. Are we addressing the O line at all?? We need some serious help there and it seems like nothing is in the works. Any word on anyone??

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[quote=SmootSmack;815241]Cullen could be headed to Dallas now.

Who called this? Someone here did a while back I think.

[B]I know one of my sources (a former scout, but not Dan Shonka) called it in April. But honestly, he's such a terrible source (wrong 3 out of 4 times) that I totally disregarded it[/B][/quote]

YOUR FRIENDS WITH JLC :eek:

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no, he said wrong 3 out of 4, not 9 out of 10.

at least where the skins are concerned

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[quote=Mechanix544;815720]no, he said wrong 3 out of 4, not 9 out of 10.

at least where the skins are concerned[/quote]

You mean 11 out of 10.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;815722]You mean 11 out of 10.[/quote]

Well to give him credit he did call McNabb to the Vikings way back during the draft. So 9 out 10.

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[quote=mooby;815724]Well to give him credit he did call McNabb to the Vikings way back during the draft. So 9 out 10.[/quote]

Yeah your right.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;815717]YOUR FRIENDS WITH JLC :eek:[/quote]

Didn't know JLC was a scout

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[quote=12thMan;815690]Tweet Rick Mease via Grant Paulsen: Stephen Bowen said, "When free agency hit at 10 am, (Skins) called at 10:01"[/quote]

Mumble...mumble....tampering...mumble...mumble...we...haven't...learned.

:lol:

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I'm pissed. The one time the skins needs to go for the old vet in FA (Cullen Jenkins), they go for the young guy whose a backup.

I'm so pissed we're not getting Jenkins

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[quote=CultBrennan59;815761]I'm pissed. The one time the skins needs to go for the old vet in FA (Cullen Jenkins), they go for the young guy whose a backup.

I'm so pissed we're not getting Jenkins[/quote]

You serious? Not sure if serious.


Have you not read anything posted in this thread or anything in the Dallas news? Dude's agent went back on a handshake deal with the Skins and tried squeeze them for more money. The Skins chose not to go down that road (which Vinny surely would have) with bidding against ourselves and went with a younger and cheaper player of the same mold. This isn't the Redskins fault even though you want to blame them. Come on man, think with that brain you were born with and stop blaming the FO for everything.

Also, Calm down bro.

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[quote=NC_Skins;815771]You serious? Not sure if serious.


Have you not read anything posted in this thread or anything in the Dallas news? [B]Dude's agent went back on a handshake deal with the Skins and tried squeeze them for more money. The Skins chose not to go down that road [/B](which Vinny surely would have) with bidding against ourselves and went with a younger and cheaper player of the same mold. This isn't the Redskins fault even though you want to blame them. Come on man, think with that brain you were born with and stop blaming the FO for everything.

Also, Calm down bro.[/quote]

Ok I've been out all day and heard this news quickly, not really detailed. I'm just now hearing this from you about the agent asking for more.

I wouldn't budge for more money, however Jenkins is far and beyond better than Bowen. Also not only will we not get a high impact, smart, super bowl, proven Vet, who knows this defense, but he could now be going to the Cowboys...Double dagger right there.

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Man, how dare the Redskins go after young players with a lot of potential, instead of aging vets looking for a payday [/sarcasm]

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Love this better than Jenkins.. Bowen is younger and hungry

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[quote=Ruhskins;815820]Man, how dare the Redskins go after young players with a lot of potential, instead of aging vets looking for a payday [/sarcasm][/quote]

I'm all for getting younger, but this Jenkins signing is going to come back and bit us in the ass, especially if the cowboys get him. Getting Cullen Jenkins would be like another London Fletcher type of signing for us, and not a Fat Al signing.

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[IMG]http://www.moviewallpaper.net/wpp/Chicken_Little_Wallpaper_2_1024.jpg[/IMG]

WE'RE DOOMED GUYS!! WE'RE DOOMED!!

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In the end Bowen will be a better signing than Jenkins, he's like another Jay Ratliff. He's bigger and more athletic than Jenkins and just starting to come into his own. Cowboy fans are crying for reason, let them have Jenkins, I think the skins got the better player.

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This scene reminds me of some of our fanbase.

(foul language..be aware)
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[quote=SFREDSKIN;815845]In the end Bowen will be a better signing than Jenkins, he's like another Jay Ratliff. He's bigger and more athletic than Jenkins and just starting to come into his own. Cowboy fans are crying for reason, let them have Jenkins, I think the skins got the better player.[/quote]

I sure hope so, and I mean one major positive about getting Bowen is we make Dallas (for now) that much worse on their DL, and give us that much more knowledge about their defense for our team.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;815848]I sure hope so, and I mean one major positive about getting Bowen is we make Dallas (for now) that much worse on their DL, and give us that much more knowledge about their defense for our team.[/quote]

And you get a young talented DE with recent 3-4 experience.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;815823]Love this better than Jenkins.. Bowen is younger and hungry[/quote]

Couldn't agree more.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;815257]Well, he's 3 years younger than C. Jenkins. Perhaps it was a "buy the younger guy" kind of deal.

Revamping the line certainly. Not seeing a lot of run-stuffers in the new group though.[/quote]

The front 3 really need to occupy the OL in the 3-4 allowing the LBs to make plays.

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It's amazingly ironic how many old vets we bring in that are just looking for the big payday, and then when they don't pan out we all say how we need to do things differently. So then we finally start doing things like signing young up and comers looking to prove themselves, and all of a sudden everyone starts complaining about how we're overpaying for people who haven't proven themselves. We've already tried the aging vet route, why don't we try the young and hungry route?

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[quote=Mattyk;815399]I'd rather pay Bowen than AH.

Gotta pay a little more to pry away a guy that the Cowboys really wanted to keep.[/quote]

I think not. You don't play those games. Now who's laughing?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;815823]Love this better than Jenkins.. Bowen is younger and hungry[/quote]

Agreed. The more I read about him the better I like it.

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[quote=diehard;815870]I think not. You don't play those games. Now who's laughing?[/quote]

eh?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;815261]No they did not over pay. He is young and on the upswing in his career. Jenkins has been hurt on and off in his career and still wanted a pay day.[/quote]

why is everyone saying this? he's 27 and hasn't really done anything. good players hit their stride in year 2 or 3. don't like this one at all.

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[quote=D'BOYZ;815277]Save this comment because by halfway through this season trust me you will eat them[/quote]

I hope you're right cause that's a lot of dough for a career back up.

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[quote=Mattyk;815351]And I thought bolstering the D-line would make people happy.

I can't wait to see the joy when we start signing some O-lineman.[/quote]

I like the Cofield move but not sure about a career back up.

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[quote=diehard;815870]I think not. You don't play those games. Now who's laughing?[/quote]

I think so. I shoot bottle rockets. The Hooters are crying.

... I think people's brains are starting to short circuit. It's like the guy dying of starvation who is suddenly given all the food he can eat.

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[quote=skinsfan69;815962]why is everyone saying this? he's 27 and hasn't really done anything. good players hit their stride in year 2 or 3. don't like this one at all.[/quote]

Read up on some of the articles about him. The Cowboys were really counting on keeping him and he was going to be taking on a bigger role this year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;815968]I like the Cofield move but not sure about a career back up.[/quote]

Would we have been better off caving in to C. Jenkins' last minute demands for even more $$?

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The Bowen signing is a bit of a catch 22 from my perspective. On one hand people say, well the Redskins reached a little and overpaid this guy because he hasn't done anything. But on the other hand had Bowen played more snaps in Dallas, his stats would have been more reflective of his perceived value. So now you have to up the ante because this guy is on everyone's radar.

All I'm saying is if he turns out to be who we think he is (channelling Denny Green), then this could have been a steal for what we paid. And if he doesn't, then hey we missed this one. But I'm willing to bet he'll live up to his contract more than he won't instead of turning out to be a bust. God willing.