Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832797]The question was who I would feel better lining up.

I can root for doughty....he's a likable guy who is a great dad, IMHO, is he better? No, but there are other considerations to me than simply "winning" - like who I root for.

I would start Landry if I were the coach - I'm not the coach, just a fan.

I have other priorities that I deem even more important.[/quote]

I was basing my question on who the better player is. RD may be the better dude but that doesn't help on the field.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832792]Thing I really like about Doughty, is that he's smart. he has a feel for the game.

#21 was his fan loooong before anyone even knew who he was. Not a bad endorsement. :food-smil



Nicks and Manningham??? :doh:

[URL="http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/injuries-are-slowing-down-nicks-and-manningham/"]Injuries Are Slowing Down Nicks and Manningham - NYTimes.com[/URL][/quote]

Did you happen to see Nicks at all this preseason? If he's hurting I'm afraid to see him healthy. And yeah that article is a little dated.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=Lotus;832796]That injury article is 5 weeks old. Given that Nicks and Manningham have been playing, we might presume that they are now feeling much better.

I'm with Saden. I'm not looking forward to Doughty on Nicks.[/quote]

So how did Laron fare against these two?

Mario Manningham - Catches: 4 yds:101 Ave:25.3 long:92 TD:1

Hakeem Nicks - out.

....with doughty?

Mario Manningham - Catches:2 yds:36 Ave:18.0 long23 TD:0

Hakeem Nicks - out.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=Mattyk;832786]Yeah, he "only" has to deal with Nicks and Manningham. No sweat.[/quote]

eeewwwwww yeah like thats Rice and Taylor!!! Jeesh Doughty is fixin to handle up!!! Im tellin ya my guts are saing the Skins are fixin to burst onto the scene this year with their hands up and out screaming "WTF's up NFL" I havnt been this jacked up for a season opener like this since Gibbs 2nd return!!! Im tellin ya boy the FB Gods are fixin to show us some lovin!!!!!!!!!

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832803]So how did Laron fare against these two?

Mario Manningham - Catches: 4 yds:101 Ave:25.3 long:92 TD:1

Hakeem Nicks - out.

....with doughty?

Mario Manningham - Catches:2 yds:36 Ave:18.0 long23 TD:0

Hakeem Nicks - out.[/quote]

Right, because as we know there were no other factors involved.

Might as well just cut LL now, RD is clearly superior.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

Hakeem Nicks reached 1000+ yards in 13 games last season and Manningham had NINE-HUNDRED FORTY-FOUR YARDS while [B]starting[/B] only EIGHT games last season--yes he was alsoactive for all 16 games--. Not to mention those two combined for TWENTY touchdowns for the Giants last season. Put in perspective, our ENTIRE team only scored TWENTY-ONE touchdowns last season.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832803]So how did Laron fare against these two?

Mario Manningham - Catches: 4 yds:101 Ave:25.3 long:92 TD:1

Hakeem Nicks - out.

....with doughty?

Mario Manningham - Catches:2 yds:36 Ave:18.0 long23 TD:0

Hakeem Nicks - out.[/quote]

I'm not trying to get into this lame argument, but if you would rather go up against Nicks and Manningham with Doughty rather than Landry you're crazy.

[yt]DvOHbxBAEN8[/yt]

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=Mattyk;832800]Did you happen to see Nicks at all this preseason? If he's hurting I'm afraid to see him healthy. And yeah that article is a little dated.[/quote]

With two receptions for 13 yards after two preseason games, No. 1 wide receiver Hakeem Nicks has yet to find his rhythm.

Although he made a spectacular one-handed catch in practice on Thursday, those sort of plays have been few and far between.

Jets: WR Hakeem Nicks – Nicks played much more in this game tonight then he has so far in the preseason. He had a good game and finished with 5 receptions for 71 yards.

Patriots: Sat out with the other starters.

Not exactly tearing it up.....

[quote=Mattyk;832806]Right, because as we know there were no other factors involved.

Might as well just cut LL now, RD is clearly superior.[/quote]

....and how am I supposed to present a case based on anything else?

The stats are the stats.....I can't present what's not there. That would be guessing, i.e., making crap up. :silly:

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

Name 4 safeties u will take over LL not named Reed or Troy p.

Done.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=Mattyk;832800]Did you happen to see Nicks at all this preseason? If he's hurting I'm afraid to see him healthy. And yeah that article is a little dated.[/quote]

Nicks will be the best player on the field come Sunday. Guy is a monster, had no problem taking him 2nd and 3rd rounds in fantasy drafts. I think he steps into the top 5 receiver group this year.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;832804]eeewwwwww yeah like thats Rice and Taylor!!! Jeesh Doughty is fixin to handle up!!! Im tellin ya my guts are saing the Skins are fixin to burst onto the scene this year with their hands up and out screaming "WTF's up NFL" I havnt been this jacked up for a season opener like this since Gibbs 2nd return!!! Im tellin ya boy the FB Gods are fixin to show us some lovin!!!!!!!!![/quote]


You homer!

We are DOMED without Landry. You'll see.

:cool-smil

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832811]With two receptions for 13 yards after two preseason games, No. 1 wide receiver Hakeem Nicks has yet to find his rhythm.

Although he made a spectacular one-handed catch in practice on Thursday, those sort of plays have been few and far between.

Jets: WR Hakeem Nicks – Nicks played much more in this game tonight then he has so far in the preseason. He had a good game and finished with 5 receptions for 71 yards.

Patriots: Sat out with the other starters.

Not exactly tearing it up.....



....and how am I supposed to present a case based on anything else?

The stats are the stats.....I can't present what's not there. That would be guessing, i.e., making crap up. :silly:[/quote]

Stats are only part of the story.

Nicks and Manningham are a pretty sick combo. They are going to test our secondary.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832822]You homer!

We are DOMED without Landry. You'll see.

:cool-smil[/quote]

Domed or Doomed???
Oh im gona see Reed Doughtly do some DOME crackin on Nicks and Manningham!!!

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832822]You homer!

We are DOMED without Landry. You'll see.

:cool-smil[/quote]

Doomed is going a little overboard. But I know that's your MO. ;)

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=Mattyk;832799]I was basing my question on who the better player is. RD may be the better dude but that doesn't help on the field.[/quote]

Awesome, but that ISN'T what you asked me.

As far as how we play against the Giants

to quote an ooooooooooooold su'thern spiritual....

"we shall see."

:food-smil

[quote=Mattyk;832826]Doomed is going a little overboard. But I know that's your MO. ;)[/quote]

Damn! My reputation precedes me!

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;832824]Domed or Doomed???
Oh im gona see Reed Doughtly do some DOME crackin on Nicks and Manningham!!![/quote]

How did you know i wuz from da hood? :doh:

Miss Crabtree would be proud.....

[IMG]http://gothamschools.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/miss-crabtree.jpg[/IMG]

:)

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832781]That would be the noob.....

:soapbox:

I prefer to root for people who are aren't prima donnas.

Furthermore, I really feel that the D played substantially better towards the end of the season - WITHOUT Landry. that's not an accident....a team plays better when it doesn't have to deal with distractions, like Haynesworth, or any of the host of other on or off the field issues we had to deal with.

Bone crushing hits are great....I get that...so is intimidation and "alligator arms," but when you are taking huge chances and letting people walk into the end-zone because you did not carry out your assignment, how does that help the team?[/quote]

This right here is a clear sign that you're a LL hatter. Instead of thinking, "gosh it seems our defense really adjusted to their BRAND NEW scheme as the year went on. Oh and Anthony Bryant actually occupying blockers and moving people at NT really helps.

you're thinking "hmmm Laron is out, this HAS to be the reason.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

I am a Reed Doughty fan. I don't want to have a million of his babies, but he is a serviceable replacement while LL is hurt. Hopefully with Otagwe back there RD can play closer to the line where he is better suited and comfortable I think.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=NC_Skins;832725]What? That doesn't even make sense.

1) RW was never good enough, but yet he got voted 5 times to the Pro-Bowl and one All-Pro team. Oh, yeah, that "Redskins Hatter Media" again right? :rolleyes:

2) Didn't play in schemes that suited his abilities? What? So is that why he got voted to those all-star honors?

They put him there because coverage IS is weakness. He excels at swarming the ball and is in part the reason he fails in coverage. He's aggressive and continually goes after the big play instead of playing sound defense.[/quote]

1. Nothing to do with 'Redskins Hatter Media', more so about Cowboys players in general getting more praise than they're worth.

2. Yes when he was played close to the line of scrimmage he was a good player but he didn't possess game changing abilities like Laron. The second he had to play FS he was even more atrocious than Laron at FS.

and maybe, just maybe Landry being as good as he is at swarming to the ball and laying the wood has something to do with playing him close to the line of scrimmage. As opposed to his coverage being so atrocious that they need to hide it.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=Player_HTTR;832835]I am a Reed Doughty fan. I don't want to have a million of his babies, but he is a serviceable replacement while LL is hurt. Hopefully with Otagwe back there RD can play closer to the line where he is better suited and comfortable I think.[/quote]

Nothing wrong with seeing him as a serviceable replacement (imo at least), they're a lot wrong when someone sees him as a viable alternative though.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=GreekSkin;832833]This right here is a clear sign that you're a LL hatter. Instead of thinking, "gosh it seems our defense really adjusted to their BRAND NEW scheme as the year went on. Oh and Anthony Bryant actually occupying blockers and moving people at NT really helps.

you're thinking "hmmm Laron is out, this HAS to be the reason.[/quote]

Forget about me for a minute, I was pointing out the fact that we don't have to have LL on our team to be successful. We are not the Laron Landry Redskins - even though it has a nice ring to it, we are a team.....even in 1991, we won the SB despite not starting arguably our best player of the decade - Russ Grim.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

Roy Williams was not a roamer when he played in Dallas. Ugh, this is tiresome.. People will argue their points untill the end of time and everyone will have their own "facts"

I simply say LL coverage skills are not as bad as some of you say they are. I've never missed a snap of a Redskins game since '88, and nothing anyone says can change my mind from what iv'e seen in Laron's play so far for the Redskins in his career. People talking about things they dont even understand just because it sounds good to them, and talking about how the defense was better without Laron Landry last year? Haha... It's only proving the point that this isn't a debate about LL's coverage skills.. Just more of a defensive/offensive thread about Landry in general and why people have personal issues with a guy they don't even know.

[B]I can't even understand how my D. Hall thread got locked, but this one is still allowed to go on, and it's even worse and more retarded lol.[/B]

I'm just going to agree to disagree, and be done with it.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832840]Forget about me for a minute, I was pointing out the fact that we don't have to have LL on our team to be successful. We are not the Laron Landry Redskins - even though it has a nice ring to it, we are a team.....even in 1991, we won the SB despite not starting arguably our best player of the decade - Russ Grim.[/quote]

If that's what you were trying to point out, than I agree with you to a certain extent (we still need a better SS than Doughty imo) but you sure have a funny way of pointing things out.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=GreekSkin;832849]If that's what you were trying to point out, than I agree with you to a certain extent (we still need a better SS than Doughty imo) but you sure have a funny way of pointing things out.[/quote]

Ummm....sure, what ever makes you happy.

:argue:

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832840]Forget about me for a minute, I was pointing out the fact that we don't have to have LL on our team to be successful. We are not the Laron Landry Redskins - even though it has a nice ring to it, we are a team.....even in 1991, we won the SB despite not starting arguably our best player of the decade - Russ Grim.[/quote]

How would you like your Crow Monday morning??? Alacarte? Algratin? Or just served up by Reed DOughty himself???

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832792]Thing I really like about Doughty, is that he's smart. he has a feel for the game.

#21 was his fan loooong before anyone even knew who he was. Not a bad endorsement. :food-smil



Nicks and Manningham??? :doh:

[url=http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/injuries-are-slowing-down-nicks-and-manningham/]Injuries Are Slowing Down Nicks and Manningham - NYTimes.com[/url][/quote]

That article is 1 year old!

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=saden1;832855]That article is 1 year old![/quote]

Ya got me! You're the only one to have caught that. Good job!:laughing2



[quote=CrustyRedskin;832853]How would you like your Crow Monday morning??? Alacarte? Algratin? Or just served up by Reed DOughty himself???[/quote]


1. I don't eat crow. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, just like YOU would be if the Skins win. :)

2. We should probably let the Giants and the Skins decide this one. That will be a lot more fun than settling it via Madden. :silly:

3. THERE IS NO NUMBER THREE. :Flush:

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832828]Awesome, but that ISN'T what you asked me.

As far as how we play against the Giants

to quote an ooooooooooooold su'thern spiritual....

"we shall see."

:food-smil



[B]Damn! My reputation precedes me[/B]![/quote]

I lurk in the tailgate at ES, that's all I'm gonna say.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832857]Ya got me! You're the only one to have caught that. Good job!:laughing2[/quote]

It's easy when the article doesn't make sense. Nicks was a baller last year and he is thier #1 wr.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832857]Ya got me! You're the only one to have caught that. Good job!:laughing2






1. I don't eat crow. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, just like YOU would be if the Skins win. :)

2. We should probably let the Giants and the Skins decide this one. That will be a lot more fun than settling it via Madden. :silly:

3. [B]THERE IS NO NUMBER THREE[/B]. :Flush:[/quote]

Man...you really don't know about TheWarpath...it's all about the number 3 here

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=Mattyk;832858]I lurk in the tailgate at ES, that's all I'm gonna say.[/quote]

We'll put those day's behind us. :food-smil

This is a different site. The "place that shall not be mentioned" is not here. I didn't bring it with me. The past shall remain forever enshrined in the archives, along with the triceratops, the flying reptiles and the dodo bird....

[IMG]http://www.ericguerin.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/dodo_bird.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=SmootSmack;832862]Man...you really don't know about TheWarpath...it's all about the number 3 here[/quote]

What can I say....I'm saving number three for Dallas!

:headbange

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

I think you guys are forgetting how unathletic Doughty is. Doughty can't really play FS. He's good at strong but has wiffed tackles. LL can play FS and SS and doesn't wiff as much. Plus he is crazy athletic; so in a hypothetical world when LL and Doughty make the same exact mistake, LL can recover quicker and faster.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

LL also hits harder causing more turnovers and psychological impact.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

Interesting article about Landry....old, but still relevant.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/315459-washington-redskins-laron-landry-needs-to-learn-how-to-tackle]Washington Redskins' LaRon Landry Needs to Learn How to Tackle | Bleacher Report[/url]

Looking at the stats after the Redskins-Cowboys game, LaRon Landry's nine tackles and two assists stand out. Normally, those numbers would be indicative of a great game.

After all, the next best tackle total of the night was London Fletcher's six. Landry must have been great, right?

Wrong.

While Landry provided a couple of highlight reel hits, he once again played well below his talent level.

LaRon Landry still has great potential and is one of the most athletically-gifted players on the Redskins. Unfortunately, his playing techniques are very flawed.

Against the Cowboys, he was no match for Jason Witten in coverage, and was burned for a crucial big play. But, his lack of effectiveness in pass coverage is not his biggest weakness—his tackling is.

Despite being credited for nine tackles, Landry had several missed tackles against the Cowboys that were the result of poor technique. Specifically, his failure to wrap up.

Time and time again this season, Landry has launched himself at ball carriers with no effort to wrap his arms around them. Rather than executing a proper tackle, he has tried to make "the big hit."

[SIZE="5"]More often than not, Landry has missed the ball carrier completely by flying by them out of control, or he hits them, only to watch them bounce off and keep running.[/SIZE]

Landry has shown no improvement in technique over the course of the 2009 season. That is a sign of poor coaching or a player who doesn't listen to coaching.

So, in 2010, the Redskins need to either trade Landry or find a coach that can teach him to eliminate his flaws.

Until one of those scenarios happen, the Redskins will continue to give up big plays due to his lack of fundamentals.


[COLOR="Red"]Landry to this day, exhibits a frustrating stubbornness in his approach to the game. He's doing better....still has a ways to go.[/COLOR]

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=polywog;832875]Interesting article about Landry....old, but still relevant.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/315459-washington-redskins-laron-landry-needs-to-learn-how-to-tackle]Washington Redskins' LaRon Landry Needs to Learn How to Tackle | Bleacher Report[/url]

Looking at the stats after the Redskins-Cowboys game, LaRon Landry's nine tackles and two assists stand out. Normally, those numbers would be indicative of a great game.

After all, the next best tackle total of the night was London Fletcher's six. Landry must have been great, right?

Wrong.

While Landry provided a couple of highlight reel hits, he once again played well below his talent level.

LaRon Landry still has great potential and is one of the most athletically-gifted players on the Redskins. Unfortunately, his playing techniques are very flawed.

Against the Cowboys, he was no match for Jason Witten in coverage, and was burned for a crucial big play. But, his lack of effectiveness in pass coverage is not his biggest weakness—his tackling is.

Despite being credited for nine tackles, Landry had several missed tackles against the Cowboys that were the result of poor technique. Specifically, his failure to wrap up.

Time and time again this season, Landry has launched himself at ball carriers with no effort to wrap his arms around them. Rather than executing a proper tackle, he has tried to make "the big hit."

[SIZE="5"]More often than not, Landry has missed the ball carrier completely by flying by them out of control, or he hits them, only to watch them bounce off and keep running.[/SIZE]

Landry has shown no improvement in technique over the course of the 2009 season. That is a sign of poor coaching or a player who doesn't listen to coaching.

So, in 2010, the Redskins need to either trade Landry or find a coach that can teach him to eliminate his flaws.

Until one of those scenarios happen, the Redskins will continue to give up big plays due to his lack of fundamentals.


[COLOR="Red"]Landry to this day, exhibits a frustrating stubbornness in his approach to the game. He's doing better....still has a ways to go.[/COLOR][/quote]

Polywog's boner for hating Landry is massive. Bringing up 2 seasons ago, to prove a null point.

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

hatters gon hat

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[quote=Bucket;832876]Polywog's boner for hating Landry is massive. Bringing up 2 seasons ago, to prove a null point.[/quote]

thanks for noticing....now quit looking!

:laughing2


[quote=hooskins;832877]hatters gon hat[/quote]


more of a visor than a hat....

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

Again, name 4 safeties not named Reed or Troy u would take over Landry, or shut up with complaining so much.
Lock this joke already

Re: Landry to miss opener vs Giants
 

[quote=Meks;832955]Again, name 4 safeties not named Reed or Troy u would take over Landry, or shut up with complaining so much.
[B]Lock this joke alread[/B]y[/quote]

Rarely do I put in a vote for a thread to be locked, but I'll second that on this one.

Also, polywog, please answer above point.