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[quote=SolidSnake84;849639][B]Yes, SS is one of the moderators here on the board.[/B] He does a damn good job at it too. Its a harder job than people think, you have to tread a fine line between over-kill and lack-a-daisical. I used to be a moderator myself, not here, but on another redskins fan site.[/quote]

I hate it when posters refer to themselves in the third person :D

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[quote=Dirtbag59;849641]I hate it when posters refer to themselves in the third person :D[/quote]

Lol Man thats funny. I mean SS as standing for "SMOOT SMACK" and not myself haha.

But maybe you already get the joke, i can't tell sometimes on here..

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;849640]You do realize the post you quoted was a joke.

That said - ain't no mod like GMScud Mod. SS is all hype and fluff, ain't like he works for a major sports entertainment company and all that![/quote]

Yes i got the joke. We are still joking about it above.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;849643]Lol Man thats funny. [B]I mean SS as standing for "SMOOT SMACK" and not myself haha[/B].

But maybe you already get the joke, i can't tell sometimes on here..[/quote]

Did you really? Oh man joke's on me. I didn't see that one coming.

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[quote=SBXVII;849620]Totally agree with the jitters, but honestly the Eagles didn't game plan around him either. They game planned around Grossman a less mobile QB, and we threw in a mobile QB. I think he will play well against the Panthers because their defense sucks, but the games following will be interesting since our OL is a patch work. Plus the better defenses who will game plan around him.[/quote]

I think some of Beck's success also had to do with him coming into the game in garbage time. Philly was protecting a 20 pt lead and as long as they had the lead they didnt have a problem with him running and passing how he wanted.

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Hopefully Beck's accuracy and mobility will be utilized with us calling for more bootlegs. Plus there's no way Hankerson could play any worse than Stallworth except maybe on the special teams side of things so I hope the staff gets him suited up for a game sooner rather than later.

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[quote=irish;849648]I think some of Beck's success also had to do with him coming into the game in garbage time. Philly was protecting a 20 pt lead and as long as they had the lead they didnt have a problem with him running and passing how he wanted.[/quote]

From what little I have seen of JB, he has a good arm and can deliver on a rope when req'd. Something that troubled Rex....a little to floaty into tight places. He can make all the throws.
He has "get away" and "buy time" speed and (and roll away from L Tackle position) the occasional rushing yardage factor. He looks calm in the pocket and steps up under fire.
IF he can avoid the......"Crazy Gene" we have seen from time to time....perhaps he can do some good stuff.
AND...if not, I'm headed to the Carolina's to find out first hand HOW to run the 2 QB thing from the Ol' Ball Coach..........

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[quote=irish;849648]I think some of Beck's success also had to do with him coming into the game in garbage time. Philly was protecting a 20 pt lead and as long as they had the lead they didnt have a problem with him running and passing how he wanted.[/quote]

I wouldn't go that far. If I'm not mistaken Beck came in with Philly protecting a 14 point lead. Not exactly the kind of lead, especially on the road, where you just shrug your shoulders and write it off to win. Not to mention that lead was created by 4 turnovers by a guy who was no longer in the game.

I'm not full-on Beckwagon, but I don't think in any way whatsoever his successes had anything to do with Philly taking their foot off the gas.

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I've heard that some of the players were publicly backing Grossman. I can think of Fred Davis and Santana Moss as specifics. Do you think some of the players might sand-bag Beck a little bit at first or do you think that kind of stuff doesnt happen in the NFL anymore...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;849666]I've heard that some of the players were publicly backing Grossman. I can think of Fred Davis and Santana Moss as specifics. Do you think some of the players might sand-bag Beck a little bit at first or do you think that kind of stuff doesnt happen in the NFL anymore...[/quote]

I feel like they were doing what they're supposed to do as professional, back up the guy to the public regardless of if you think he's good or bad. I think it'd be awful for the locker room if you just threw your QB under the bus to the media.. Remember what happened when Portis decided to bad mouth Sellers? I'm hoping they decided to back Grossman just due to trying to keep drama to a minimum.

I think all the players want what's best for the team... At least I'd hope so.

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^ Yeah i think that although it comes across to us as the players want Grossman and not Beck, it may be more like they think Grossman wasnt given a fair chance and that the situation is unfair no matter who the starter is. So its not that they necessarily prefer catching passes from one player over another. Theyre just trying to be diplomatic, no chance it causes any players to treat Beck differently then how they otherwise would. Ill also add i think several players were outspoken about the benching of McNabb

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If I recall correctly, Moss came to JC's defense as well(not because of being benched, though).

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;849679]If I recall correctly, Moss came to JC's defense as well(not because of being benched, though).[/quote]

Moss was easily Rex's favorite receiver so I can understand why he would stick up for him, still it was one of those keep it to yourself type situations.

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I don't mean to hijack this thread, but man what a great kid Andy Dalton is. I'm watching inside the NFL tonight w/ him being mic'd , besides being a pretty good QB, he has a great personality. Cincy is lucky to have him, he would have been a great Redskin.

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Yeah you called it. I thought maybe you were just showing a bit of TCU/Sammy Baugh bias, but so far so good

Back to Beck. I hope he plays well enough to show people Kyle is talented

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The funny thing to me is that Grossman had no difficulty with pushing the blame onto his receivers for some INT's. A QB in the NFL doesn't do that..........

I also didn't see anyone really backing Grossman other than Moss. I saw where Brown, Orakpo and another player was discussing the TO's. Obviously they didn't come out and throw Grossman under the bus as he did his receivers. However, they definitely aren't happy with the TO's.

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I wonder if Beck and Jackie Battle will parallel each other performance-wise for the rest of the season.

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well, i think we're picking between two guys that aren't the answer, so...

let's just win. don't embarrass the team and the fans. thank you!

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Yea, getting excited about Beck is like having the dumpy chick you knew from school move in with you. She may be good for a few organisms but you know you'll never get engaged to her.

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It is a move that had to happen given the numbers. My issue is this :

1) we are 3-2
2) Heading on the road for a winable game, which in my opinion would have been the best place for Rex to play (any where but home)
3) I know he has 8 or 9 picks, but how many are actually all on him?? Two last week were on Fred Davis, I can count a few more that either went off receivers hands, Santana fell on one, Armstrong was held on another. Unfortunately these things go against a QB's numbers and it doesn't look good. If the whole picture is disected, its more bad luck than horrible throws.
4) We lost 2 of our starting lineman
5) what happened to the running game?? Which hurt the ability to throw effectively when the D isn't planning on getting run on.


I hope Beck comes out and does a hell of job. And if this was reverse I'd be saying the same thing about Beck so dont think I am standing up for Rex. I am standing up for the QB position, because it takes way too much credit when they win, and way too much heat when we lose.

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[quote=Player_HTTR;849571]And who could we have gotten reasonably. There is a very good QB class coming out next year. Neither QB was destined to be our future just a place holder as we rebuild.[/quote]


Gotcha, but I'm still not amused.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;849736]Yea, getting excited about Beck is like having the dumpy chick you knew from school move in with you. [B]She may be good for a few organisms[/B] but you know you'll never get engaged to her.[/quote]

Yeah, a couple amoebas, at most. But hopefully no bacteria.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;849736]Yea, getting excited about Beck is like having the dumpy chick you knew from school move in with you. She may be good for a few organisms but you know you'll never get engaged to her.[/quote]


I wish those dumpy chicks would just leave their organisms at home. I don't want them at my house.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;849736]Yea, getting excited about Beck is like having the dumpy chick you knew from school move in with you. She may be good for a few organisms but you know you'll never get engaged to her.[/quote]Organism?

LOL...

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[quote=Alvin Walton;849736]Yea, getting excited about Beck is like having the dumpy chick you knew from school move in with you. [B]She may be good for a few organisms[/B] but you know you'll never get engaged to her.[/quote]

Insect spray will take care of that problem.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;849736]Yea, getting excited about Beck is like having the dumpy chick you knew from school move in with you. She may be good for a few [B]organisms [/B]but you know you'll never get engaged to her.[/quote]

:doh:

Epic fail

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[quote=Chico23231;849783]:doh:

Epic fail[/quote]

LMAO!!! Coffee meet the keyboard!!!! THat just made my day!!

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[quote=#56fanatic;849746]It is a move that had to happen given the numbers. My issue is this :

1) we are 3-2
2) Heading on the road for a winable game, which in my opinion would have been the best place for Rex to play (any where but home)
3) I know he has 8 or 9 picks, but how many are actually all on him?? Two last week were on Fred Davis, I can count a few more that either went off receivers hands, Santana fell on one, Armstrong was held on another. Unfortunately these things go against a QB's numbers and it doesn't look good. If the whole picture is disected, its more bad luck than horrible throws.
4) We lost 2 of our starting lineman
5) what happened to the running game?? Which hurt the ability to throw effectively when the D isn't planning on getting run on.


I hope Beck comes out and does a hell of job. And if this was reverse I'd be saying the same thing about Beck so dont think I am standing up for Rex. I am standing up for the QB position, because it takes way too much credit when they win, and way too much heat when we lose.[/quote]


Bad Luck? He must be the unluckiest QB in the NFL since 2005

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[quote=zeesson;849794]Bad Luck? He must be the unluckiest QB in the NFL since 2005[/quote]


LOL - I wasn't referring to previous years as I have not or did not watch his games as a Bear. It has been said he is careless with the ball, which he has shown here as well. I am not debating that at all. What I am pointing out is that of the 9 pics he has thrown, several have not been on him. As stated previously, 2 last week were on Fred Davis, who said that himselft. And a couple from previous games.

QB's 99% of the time get blamed for INT's, what I am saying is that they should not be help accountable for 99% of those INT's. There is so much that goes on that the fans dont see in terms of receivers routes, whether they give up on them, or take them short, or stop the routes. A lot of the throws are anticipation throws and if a receiver deviates slightly from the route then its an incompletion or in some case picks.

Rex made mistakes last week and in previous weeks, no doubt about it. I hope Beck comes in and the offense as a whole gets a spark and runs more smooth and can put up some points.

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[quote=Hog1;849658]From what little I have seen of JB, he has a good arm and can deliver on a rope when req'd. Something that troubled Rex....a little to floaty into tight places. He can make all the throws.
He has "get away" and "buy time" speed and (and roll away from L Tackle position) the occasional rushing yardage factor. He looks calm in the pocket and steps up under fire.
IF he can avoid the......"Crazy Gene" we have seen from time to time....perhaps he can do some good stuff.
AND...if not, I'm headed to the Carolina's to find out first hand HOW to run the 2 QB thing from the Ol' Ball Coach..........[/quote]

I'd disagree with slightly, Rex is good in short to intermediate passes. Heck sometimes I wonder why he's throwing the ball so hard. It's his deep ball that is the issue. He can muster about 1 good deep ball a game... nothing more. He tends to either under throw the ball (usually) or over throw the ball.

Beck can throw the ball deep but is not accurate on the deep passes. Basically I'm saying yeah he'll get the ball down to where it needs to be but our WR's need to be able to locate, track, and go after the ball for the catch which they are not good at for some reason. I think possibly only Moss is capable of doing this. If the ball is not on the money they won't catch it.

From what I've seen though Beck being able to buy time is not going to help when the WR's can't catch or drop balls that land in their hands which is 90% of the issue's this team is having. Instead fans are pointing at Grossman saying he sucks.

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[quote=GMScud;849665]I wouldn't go that far. If I'm not mistaken Beck came in with Philly protecting a 14 point lead. Not exactly the kind of lead, especially on the road, where you just shrug your shoulders and write it off to win. Not to mention that lead was created by 4 turnovers by a guy who was no longer in the game.

I'm not full-on Beckwagon, but I don't think in any way whatsoever his successes had anything to do with Philly taking their foot off the gas.[/quote]

Your right. I think Haslett was able to get the defense straightened out by that point. and it was only a 14 point lead with 12 min. left in the game. I'm baffled as to why the Skins only had two possessions in 12 min. but chalk it up to not playing a hurry up offense. At that point the team needed to start the no huddle to keep the Eagles off balance and didn't. Most of the throws were down the middle because the Eagles gave them that to eat up clock. Beck needed to find sideline passes to stop the clock with out having to use time outs. He didn't.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;849666]I've heard that some of the players were publicly backing Grossman. I can think of Fred Davis and Santana Moss as specifics. Do you think some of the players might sand-bag Beck a little bit at first or do you think that kind of stuff doesnt happen in the NFL anymore...[/quote]

What happens if the players jumped on the Beck bandwagon and MS came out Wed. and said Grossman was starting this week? All the players who mentioned it were asked by the media, in other words they were goaded into an answer so they gave a politically correct answer. That way if Beck got the call and starts and is bad and needs to be replaced by Grossman there will be no locker room issues.

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[quote=Gtothearry;849697]The funny thing to me is that Grossman had no difficulty with pushing the blame onto his receivers for some INT's. A QB in the NFL doesn't do that..........

I also didn't see anyone really backing Grossman other than Moss. I saw where Brown, Orakpo and another player was discussing the TO's. Obviously they didn't come out and throw Grossman under the bus as he did his receivers. However, they definitely aren't happy with the TO's.[/quote]

A QB does that when the media wants to hang him out to dry, the coaching staff benches him, and the 2nd stringer makes a few comments like "we can't be throwing interceptions every game, we need to protect the ball more." That was a dig at Grossman by Beck. So Grossman came out and the media questioned him about his interceptions.... all he said is he thinks he has done fine and that the interceptions we have seen in the 1st four games he could prove were not his fault through video.

and this is what my whole arguement is ..... I don't think all the INT's are Rex's fault either and for those chanting for Beck to start each game I think you will be let down when the very same WR's fail to do their job and he throws INT's also. Fans are acting like Beck is the savior and will solve this riddle by being able to buy more time but if the WR's cant' catch a cold then the results will be the same.

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[B]BOLD PREDICTION[/B]... John Beck brings us to the playoffs, becomes and remains our #1 starting QB.

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[quote=#56fanatic;849746]It is a move that had to happen given the numbers. My issue is this :

1) we are 3-2
2) Heading on the road for a winable game, which in my opinion would have been the best place for Rex to play (any where but home)
3) I know he has 8 or 9 picks, but how many are actually all on him?? Two last week were on Fred Davis, I can count a few more that either went off receivers hands, Santana fell on one, Armstrong was held on another. Unfortunately these things go against a QB's numbers and it doesn't look good. If the whole picture is disected, its more bad luck than horrible throws.
4) We lost 2 of our starting lineman
5) what happened to the running game?? Which hurt the ability to throw effectively when the D isn't planning on getting run on.


I hope Beck comes out and does a hell of job. And if this was reverse I'd be saying the same thing about Beck so dont think I am standing up for Rex. I am standing up for the QB position, because it takes way too much credit when they win, and way too much heat when we lose.[/quote]

1-Awesome place to be. I wonder to got us there?
2-True, against a bad defense would have made him look good again.
3-100%. Grossman/Beck it doesn't matter. I think the results will be the same. To many dropped balls or tipped balls by receivers.
4-Which in most cases would cause a team to lose anyway.
5-The Eagles did exactly what they needed to do... pick one aspect of the game and stop it. Considering we had a great run game they chose to stop that forcing our QB to throw the ball which is where we are not playing well anyway. Until the passing game gets fixed we are back to squar one being one dimentional.

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[quote=zeesson;849794]Bad Luck? He must be the unluckiest QB in the NFL since 2005[/quote]

Why? because his statistics show he has thrown 2 INT's a game? So had Brady, EManning, Brees, etc. etc. etc. I guess they are having a bad luck also.

Remember there are 11 men on the field not just Grossman, and running around like a chicken with their heads cut off trying to buy precious seconds will not change the fact our receivers are not catching the balls when it drops into their hands or they fail to go after the ball.

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[quote=44ever;849821][B]BOLD PREDICTION[/B]... John Beck brings us to the playoffs, becomes and remains our #1 starting QB.[/quote]

Spoken like a true Beck fan. Hope he proves you right because above all I'm a Redskin fan first player fan second.

But be prepared for an "I told you so" when he doesn't do much better if at all.

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[quote=SBXVII;849826]Spoken like a true Beck fan. Hope he proves you right because above all I'm a Redskin fan first player fan second.

But be prepared for an [B]"I told you so[/B]" when he doesn't do much better if at all.[/quote]

what here? :laughing2

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[quote=SBXVII;849826]Spoken like a true Beck fan. Hope he proves you right because above all I'm a Redskin fan first player fan second.

But be prepared for an "I told you so" when he doesn't do much better if at all.[/quote]

I think he will be better for these reasons:

1. He is more mobile. He can extend the play by pulling it down and running, as he did against the Eagles for a long run to extend the drive.

2. Beck doesn't say, "F&@# it, I'm throwing it deep into double coverage, or right into the middle linebacker I didn't see drop into coverage again." He can throw it deep but doesn't do it with the reckless abandonment that Rex is so well known for.

3. He is a game manager. He will make the throws he needs to make and let the run game and defense win the game as I think this is how our team is set up. (Note, injuries to the o-line do have a big impact on this and I would have loved to see how things would have been different this week with all our starting linemen and receivers in the game.)

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[quote=Alvin Walton;849736]Yea, getting excited about Beck is like having the dumpy chick you knew from school move in with you. [B]She may be good for a few organisms [/B]but you know you'll never get engaged to her.[/quote]

I saw that and was gonna say something but it's nice to see it's already been covered by everyone else.