Re: Build the Redskins for 2012
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;859731]I guess it is referring to this.
[url=http://profootballzone.com/nfl/redskins-could-pursue-peyton-manning/]Redskins could pursue Peyton Manning | Pro Football Zone[/url]

I wonder if Schefter is just doing a favor for Shanahan. If not, he's ****ing nuts. Sure, Peyton is one of the greatest of all time, but he more than likely can't take much more of a pounding on that neck of his. We need a young QB and young talent around him. We can't cough up multiple first rounders for a short-term QB.[/quote]

Yea... I hear ya..... But if the asking price isn't astronomical ( which it will) I wouldn't mind Manning and drafting Moore in the 2nd and have him study under Peyton for 2 to 3 years. In the first we could draft Justin Blackmon.. I dunno... I kinda agree with you. Let's just draft Barkley or RGIII

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Here's what he said exactly. At no point does he say the Redskins are going to go after Peyton:

Q: All the Washington Redskins fans are ready for a franchise quarterback. John Beck and Rex Grossman certainly aren't the answer. What can the Redskins do? It seems like they won't have a high-enough pick in the upcoming draft to grab Matt Barkley or Landry Jones.

-- James (Va.)


A: It is the most significant question this franchises faces -- and has faced for a while, James. Without a quarterback, they're not going to advance much further than where they are today, which no one in Washington is happy about. The Redskins went through the offseason and didn't identify a quarterback that they felt would be a short- or long-term upgrade. That clearly must change this offseason. The problem is that there are so few options out there. The top free-agent quarterbacks are expected to be Green Bay's Matt Flynn and Oakland's Jason Campbell. The draft will be loaded with good quarterbacks, but Washington already is out of Andrew Luck range. The top option out there could be Peyton Manning, who could be available in a trade depending on any number of factors. But if the Colts ultimately decided to deal Manning, even he would come with risk (questions about his neck and durability). In the end, this is a quarterback league, and right now Washington doesn't have a championship-caliber one.

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[quote=SmootSmack;859739]Here's what he said exactly. At no point does he say the Redskins are going to go after Peyton:

Q: All the Washington Redskins fans are ready for a franchise quarterback. John Beck and Rex Grossman certainly aren't the answer. What can the Redskins do? It seems like they won't have a high-enough pick in the upcoming draft to grab Matt Barkley or Landry Jones.

-- James (Va.)


A: It is the most significant question this franchises faces -- and has faced for a while, James. Without a quarterback, they're not going to advance much further than where they are today, which no one in Washington is happy about. The Redskins went through the offseason and didn't identify a quarterback that they felt would be a short- or long-term upgrade. That clearly must change this offseason. The problem is that there are so few options out there. The top free-agent quarterbacks are expected to be Green Bay's Matt Flynn and Oakland's Jason Campbell. The draft will be loaded with good quarterbacks, but Washington already is out of Andrew Luck range. The top option out there could be Peyton Manning, who could be available in a trade depending on any number of factors. But if the Colts ultimately decided to deal Manning, even he would come with risk (questions about his neck and durability). In the end, this is a quarterback league, and right now Washington doesn't have a championship-caliber one.[/quote]

Is Matt Flynn restricted? If not he'd be a good caretaker QB.

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Unrestricted I believe

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;859731]I guess it is referring to this.
[url=http://profootballzone.com/nfl/redskins-could-pursue-peyton-manning/]Redskins could pursue Peyton Manning | Pro Football Zone[/url]

I wonder if Schefter is just doing a favor for Shanahan. If not, he's ****ing nuts. Sure, Peyton is one of the greatest of all time, but he more than likely can't take much more of a pounding on that neck of his. We need a young QB and young talent around him. We can't cough up multiple first rounders for a short-term QB.[/quote]

Utter bullshit

Re: Build the Redskins for 2012
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;859731]I guess it is referring to this.
[url=http://profootballzone.com/nfl/redskins-could-pursue-peyton-manning/]Redskins could pursue Peyton Manning | Pro Football Zone[/url]

I wonder if Schefter is just doing a favor for Shanahan. If not, he's ****ing nuts. Sure, Peyton is one of the greatest of all time, but he more than likely can't take much more of a pounding on that neck of his. We need a young QB and young talent around him. We can't cough up multiple first rounders for a short-term QB.[/quote]

I think this is pure speculation.

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Great. Can't wait for an offseason full of rumors and BS speculation.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;859745]Great. Can't wait for an offseason full of rumors and BS speculation.[/

Why wait til the offseason ????!!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;859745]Great. Can't wait for an offseason full of rumors and BS speculation.[/quote]

my favorite are the trade scenarios.

"Id trade D Hall or Cooley for a 1st or 2nd" :doh:

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Schefter: "The draft will be loaded with good quarterbacks, but Washington already is out of Andrew Luck range." Meaning what? That there will be lots of good quarterbacks but only one worth taking?

McNabb is certainly no Manning, but you'd have to think that Shanahan might be reluctant to go down this road again. The QB position remains only one of many needs, and filling those needs will be hampered by a trade that will most likely come with a higher asking price than the Eagles imposed with McNabb.

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No one can say we're out of "Luck range". There are still seven games left.

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We tried the veteran QB route and failed.

We tried the retread route with Beck and Grossman and failed.

You have to think (hope) that plan C, drafting a rookie, is up next.

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[quote=Mattyk;859753]We tried the veteran QB route and failed.

We tried the retread route with Beck and Grossman and failed.

You have to think (hope) that plan C, drafting a rookie, is up next.[/quote]

Can't argue with you there ...... It's time

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[quote=Mattyk;859753]We tried the veteran QB route and failed.

We tried the retread route with Beck and Grossman and failed.

You have to think (hope) that plan C, drafting a rookie, is up next.[/quote]

Although I strongly disagree with your idea of try once and fail, give up on the idea altogether, I strongly agree that I hope drafting a rookie is next (only if the right rookie is there....people don't realize how rare it is to get a quality qb in the draft. There couldn't be more than 15 of them in the league, thats like 1.5 of them drafted every year)

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[quote=Alvin Walton;859752]No one can say we're out of "Luck range". There are still seven games left.[/quote]

Have you seen Indy's remaining schedule? They have at best 2 winnable games left which I highlighted.

[B]wk 12 Carolina[/B]
wk 13 Patriots
wk 14 Ravens
wk 15 Titans
wk 16 Texans
[B]wk 17 Jags[/B]

Looks like they're almost a lock for the #1 pick.

Re: Build the Redskins for 2012
 

[quote=Mattyk;859753]We tried the veteran QB route and failed.

We tried the retread route with Beck and Grossman and failed.

You have to think (hope) that plan C, drafting a rookie, is up next.[/quote]

Unfortunately, we've tried C as well

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[quote=Mattyk;859758]Have you seen Indy's remaining schedule? They have at best 2 winnable games left which I highlighted.

[B]wk 12 Carolina[/B]
wk 13 Patriots
wk 14 Ravens
wk 15 Titans
wk 16 Texans
[B]wk 17 Jags[/B]

Looks like they're almost a lock for the #1 pick.[/quote]

Yeah I don't see them winning any games. Maybe the Jags.

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[quote=Mattyk;859758]Have you seen Indy's remaining schedule? They have at best 2 winnable games left which I highlighted.

[B]wk 12 Carolina[/B]
wk 13 Patriots
wk 14 Ravens
wk 15 Titans
wk 16 Texans
[B]wk 17 Jags[/B]

Looks like they're almost a lock for the #1 pick.[/quote]
I agree that they are a lock. One possible winable game is against the texans. A couple pick sixs from leinart (if he is the leinart of old) and thats game.

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[quote=Mattyk;859758]Have you seen Indy's remaining schedule? They have at best 2 winnable games left which I highlighted.

[B]wk 12 Carolina[/B]
wk 13 Patriots
wk 14 Ravens
wk 15 Titans
wk 16 Texans
[B]wk 17 Jags[/B]

Looks like they're almost a lock for the #1 pick.[/quote]

You discount the fact that Peyton will return.

First, he wins all the games upon his return, knocking Indi out of the first slot. We are there. Peyton demands a trade from the team (just b/c). We get him him for [I]next year's first round pick[/I]. We sign Reggie Wayne as a free agent. With the 1st pick we take Luck.

It's a plan!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;859763]You discount the fact that Peyton will return.

First, he wins all the games upon his return, knocking Indi out of the first slot. We are there. Peyton demands a trade from the team (just b/c). We get him him for [I]next year's first round pick[/I]. We sign Reggie Wayne as a free agent. With the 1st pick we take Luck.

It's a plan![/quote]

I love that plan.

I doubt PM comes back this year though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;859759]Unfortunately, we've tried C as well[/quote]

who has Shanahan drafted at QB?

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[quote=Mattyk;859767]who has Shanahan drafted at QB?[/quote]

Oh sorry, thought you just meant in general for us in recent years

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[quote=SmootSmack;859770]Oh sorry, thought you just meant in general for us in recent years[/quote]

last QB Shanny drafted in 1st round is pretty good

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Indi 0 / 10
Carolina 2 / 7
Miami 2 / 7
Minn 2 / 7
Jax 3 / 6
Phili 3 / 6
Cleve 3 / 6

Gotta believe w/out dissecting each schedule that Minn, Phili, Miami, Jax, and Carolina will win some more games. Not sure w/ Indi, Cleve.

We'll most likely w/ a couple more games too. Maybe. I say we're top 5 or real close though. Out of that group there are only a few that needs a QB:

Miami
Cleve-maybe

Indi would draft Luck anyways most likely. I think we'll be in a good position.

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[quote=Mattyk;859745]Great. Can't wait for an offseason full of rumors and BS speculation.[/quote]

Matty:

Your wish just came true. You don't have to wait for the offseason to get a bunch of rumors and BS speculation. You have it now.

Now what do you want for your second wish...?

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[quote=Mattyk;859745]Great. Can't wait for an offseason full of rumors and BS speculation.[/quote]


Gets so OLD, every summer it's "Skins will go after ..... " Why can't we just say Skins will draft a QB in the top 5 and build around him for once.

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[quote=Mattyk;859758]Have you seen Indy's remaining schedule? They have at best 2 winnable games left which I highlighted.

[B]wk 12 Carolina[/B]
wk 13 Patriots
wk 14 Ravens
wk 15 Titans
wk 16 Texans
[B]wk 17 Jags[/B]

Looks like they're almost a lock for the #1 pick.[/quote]
Steve Smith will probably burn them, burn them all to the ground. Quite frankly, a part of me hopes that they lose out completely so that lucky bastard Bill Polian can have a tainted mark on his resume.

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[quote=SmootSmack;859770]Oh sorry, thought you just meant in general for us in recent years[/quote]

yeah I was just talking about what MS has done so far here

Re: Build the Redskins for 2012
 

[quote=Mattyk;859758]Have you seen Indy's remaining schedule? They have at best 2 winnable games left which I highlighted.

[B]wk 12 Carolina[/B]
wk 13 Patriots
wk 14 Ravens
wk 15 [B]Titans[/B]
wk 16 [B]Texans[/B]
[B]wk 17 Jags[/B]

Looks like they're almost a lock for the #1 pick.[/quote]

True, but Titans is home and the colts know them well. The Texans lost their QB for the year, so I wouldn't be surprised. Also the Ravens have been losing to bad teams.

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1. QB: Top priority. Do what you can to get Andrew Luck, but don't go TOO far. There are some other great QB prospects out there.

2. Build depth on the OL.

3. I think the Redskins are going to have to make a splash in getting a top notch RB in free agency. Not sure Hightower can come back from an ACL/MCL tear? That's tough for a running back. Heck, that's tough for any player.

4. Improve the secondary either through the draft of free agency. We need safeties that can cover.

5. I think we have some promise with Hankerson, Moss, Gaffney, Paul, Austin, and Armstrong. Not sure we need to make a big splash at WR.

Summary: Quarterback or bust! If we don't do anything else right next offseason, at least hit that draft pick out of the park.

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The way I look at a trading the farm for a QB like Luck is this. Could you trade the players you would have drafted with those picks for Luck. So for example we tried to trade two first round picks for Jay Cutler back in 09 which turned into Orakpo and Williams. Would Chicago accept a trade today if we were to offer them Orakpo and Williams. Of course it's not the best system considering that teams have certain positions that are set and system issues but the general point remains the same.

Anyway I think we should all look very closely at Leinart these next few games. He has no Andre Johnson and a good defense. Somewhat similar situation to what he would have here.

I'm also curious to see if anyone has an idea of how Flynn would fit into our system.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;859861]The way I look at a trading the farm for a QB like Luck is this. Could you trade the players you would have drafted with those picks for Luck. So for example we tried to trade two first round picks for Jay Cutler back in 09 which turned into Orakpo and Williams. Would Chicago accept a trade today if we were to offer them Orakpo and Williams. Of course it's not the best system considering that teams have certain positions that are set and system issues but the general point remains the same.

Anyway I think we should all look very closely at Leinart these next few games. He has no [B]Andre Johnson[/B] and a good defense. Somewhat similar situation to what he would have here.

I'm also curious to see if anyone has an idea of how Flynn would fit into our system.[/quote]

The Texans are on bye and should have Andre Johnson when they play in two weeks.

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I really would NOT like to see us get in a bidding war over...anyone....
To many things to go wrong...

Re: Build the Redskins for 2012
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;859861]The way I look at a trading the farm for a QB like Luck is this. Could you trade the players you would have drafted with those picks for Luck. So for example we tried to trade two first round picks for Jay Cutler back in 09 which turned into Orakpo and Williams. Would Chicago accept a trade today if we were to offer them Orakpo and Williams. Of course it's not the best system considering that teams have certain positions that are set and system issues but the general point remains the same.

Anyway I think we should all look very closely at Leinart these next few games. He has no Andre Johnson and a good defense. Somewhat similar situation to what he would have here.

[B]I'm also curious to see if anyone has an idea of how Flynn would fit into our system.[/B][/quote]

Based on what? This has got to be the most overrated QB I've seen in the past couple seasons. Too even think he could just step in and deliver success is all based on such a small sample size. Rex Grossman looked like an all star until week 3.

This season has to end with us drafting a guy. I don't care if he turns out to be the worst quarterback ever, we have to take the risk that successful teams have already taken. Whether it be Barkley, Jones, RG3, Tannehill, etc.

Worst case scenario we go the free agent route and draft Blackmon or Jeffrey depending on where we finish. After that, let's go all out on corners and o-line. Landry walks to get some ridiculous contract and probably becomes a pro bowler, but unfortunately it doesn't matter because he isn't working here.

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[quote=IrMitchell;859866]Based on what? This has got to be the most overrated QB I've seen in the past couple seasons. Too even think he could just step in and deliver success is all based on such a small sample size. Rex Grossman looked like an all star until week 3.

This season has to end with us drafting a guy. I don't care if he turns out to be the worst quarterback ever, we have to take the risk that successful teams have already taken. Whether it be Barkley, Jones, RG3, Tannehill, etc.

Worst case scenario we go the free agent route and draft Blackmon or Jeffrey depending on where we finish. After that, let's go all out on corners and o-line. Landry walks to get some ridiculous contract and probably becomes a pro bowler, but unfortunately it doesn't matter because he isn't working here.[/quote]

Well we still need a capable back up. However, given how rookies have been successful, I would want our rook QB to start right away. The problem is, will Kyle Shanahan be willing to put our rook QB in a situation where he is not being asked to put the team on his shoulders? I would say that for at least the first couple of games, you want to ease the rookie QB in. However, given how pass-happy KS wants us to be, I don't know how this would work out.

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I think we could get away with reciever in the first round and quarter back early second. All depends on who comes out and teams deciding they need to draft a qb. Teams who need a qb of the top of my head:
Cleveland
Miami
Washington
anyone else?

Re: Build the Redskins for 2012
 

[quote=IrMitchell;859866]Based on what? This has got to be the most overrated QB I've seen in the past couple seasons. Too even think he could just step in and deliver success is all based on such a small sample size. Rex Grossman looked like an all star until week 3.

This season has to end with us drafting a guy. I don't care if he turns out to be the worst quarterback ever, we have to take the risk that successful teams have already taken. Whether it be Barkley, Jones, RG3, Tannehill, etc.

Worst case scenario we go the free agent route and draft Blackmon or Jeffrey depending on where we finish. After that, let's go all out on corners and o-line. Landry walks to get some ridiculous contract and probably becomes a pro bowler, but unfortunately it doesn't matter because he isn't working here.[/quote]

You know Matt Schuab's most impressive regular season game before going to Houston was against the Patriots where he threw 3 TD's and 298 yards. Matt Flynn also threw 3 TD's against the Patriots. They both also share the name Matt. They both backed up pro bowlers. If this isn't fate I don't know what is.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;859892]You know Matt Schuab's most impressive regular season game before going to Houston was against the Patriots where he threw 3 TD's and 298 yards. Matt Flynn also threw 3 TD's against the Patriots. They both also share the name Matt. They both backed up pro bowlers. If this isn't fate I don't know what is.[/quote]

Not only is that logic crazy, but Matt Schaub isn't exactly the guy I'd want leading my team into the playoffs. We have a chance at drafting someone with a much higher ceiling.

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[quote=IrMitchell;859896]Not only is that logic crazy, but Matt Schaub isn't exactly the guy I'd want leading my team into the playoffs. We have a chance at drafting someone with a much higher ceiling.[/quote]

Crazy or brilliant???

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[quote=musicmaster45;859886]I think we could get away with reciever in the first round and quarter back early second. All depends on who comes out and teams deciding they need to draft a qb. Teams who need a qb of the top of my head:
Cleveland
Miami
Washington
anyone else?[/quote]

No..Hell no. If we go WR in the first round I will slap Shanny myself during the draft presser.