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[quote=NM Redskin;870796]I would tend to think that the Rams would like the 7th pick over TW and select a LT. Sure TW is probably more talented then who ever would be selected at 7, but since he's one toke away, that has to greatly diminish his value I would think.[/quote]

That's exactly right...the Rams would never give us their pick without getting our pick in return. And TW value is as low as it could be after his suspension. Either way i would give them #7 also and keep TW.

It's so obvious looking at this league that the teams that win consistently are the ones with franchise QB's. And as I have said over and over on here there is pretty much no price I wouldn't pay to get one. A few 1st round picks are not that significant when compared to 15 years of a franchise QB...

Bottom line is Andrew luck is considered as a can't miss qb even more than Sam was so I wouldnt be shocked to see stl take him and trade Bradford

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[quote=skinsfaninok;870900]Bottom line is Andrew luck is considered as a can't miss qb even more than Sam was so I wouldnt be shocked to see stl take him and trade Bradford[/quote]

Fine...I will take him to. On April 26th i want to have one of Luck, RG3 or Bradford on the roster. Not sure I will be happy with anything else...

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[quote=celts32;870902]Fine...I will take him to. On April 26th i want to have one of Luck, RG3 or Bradford on the roster. Not sure I will be happy with anything else...[/quote]

Luck and Bradford I'd love to have. Still have some doubts about RG3 though. I think Blackmon and Tannehill can be as effective as just RG3

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[quote=SmootSmack;870904]Luck and Bradford I'd love to have. Still have some doubts about RG3 though. I think Blackmon and Tannehill can be as effective as just RG3[/quote]

I don't know alot about Tannehill besides some scouting reports, but I think I could live w/ those two drafted in 2012.

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[quote=GTripp0012;870816]We have no idea how many games the Colts would have won this year with Peyton Manning. If it was five or six, does that diminish his greatness any?

To me, it does not. It just makes the Colts a bad team.[/quote]

I think the Colts would have won more games than six with Manning this year....at the least, eight games. This is assuming Manning was in good physical health.

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[quote=SmootSmack;870904]Luck and Bradford I'd love to have. Still have some doubts about RG3 though. I think Blackmon and Tannehill can be as effective as just RG3[/quote]

After the initial dissapointment I would probably come around on Tannehill if we ended up with him but I have the concerns about him that you have about RG3...that I don't see him being ready in 2012.

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Just FYI, RG III is playing tonight at 9pm, so we all can get a good look at him and see for ourselves. I know I'll be watching.

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[quote=celts32;870912]After the initial dissapointment I would probably come around on Tannehill if we ended up with him but I have the concerns about him that you have about RG3...that I don't see him being ready in 2012.[/quote]

Well yeah but I see Blackmon being ready (or even Claiborne, Reiff)

So I'll take Tannehill (even if he's not fully ready in 2012) and a guy who I think is ready vs. only RG3

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When is RG3 going to announce his decision?

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[quote=skinsguy;870914]Just FYI, RG III is playing tonight at 9pm, so we all can get a good look at him and see for ourselves. I know I'll be watching.[/quote]

Thanks for the reminder.

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[quote=celts32;870912]After the initial dissapointment I would probably come around on Tannehill if we ended up with him but I have the concerns about him that you have about RG3...that I don't see him being ready in 2012.[/quote]

Thank you.

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[quote=SmootSmack;870917]Well yeah but I see Blackmon being ready (or even Claiborne, Reiff)

So I'll take Tannehill (even if he's not fully ready in 2012) and a guy who I think is ready vs. only RG3[/quote]

I think we discussed this before and i don't agree. I just can't get my head around not making the play for the QB this year early in the draft. In my mind it's time to stop dking around with the most important position in the sport and do whatever it takes to get one of the QB's I mentioned. Short of Shanny sitting me down and telling me face to face that Tannehill is his #1 guy...I want them to trade up.

They could end up with Tannehill only becasue they settled for him becasue the price was to high to get the others...that's what i don't want.

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I'll post it here too. Give me the guy who's gonna be forced to sit in the green room longer than anticipated because the fans and so-called experts underestimate him. That's who I want!

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[quote=mredskins;870919]When is RG3 going to announce his decision?[/quote]

Word around baylor is that RG3 is going.

Then again the word around USC was that Barkley was going too, so we'll see...

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[quote=celts32;870923]I think we discussed this before and i don't agree. I just can't get my head around not making the play for the QB this year early in the draft. In my mind it's time to stop dking around with the most important position in the sport and do whatever it takes to get one of the QB's I mentioned. Short of Shanny sitting me down and telling me face to face that Tannehill is his #1 guy...I want them to trade up.

They could end up with Tannehill only becasue they settled for him becasue the price was to high to get the others...that's what i don't want.[/quote]

Yeah, I think there comes a time when you have to just go against better judgment and do what you have to do to get the QB who is considered a can't miss. If the Colts don't get the #1 pick, then I think the Rams will and I think we all agree that the Rams wouldn't keep both Luck and Bradford. So, this would be the most realistic shot at the 'skins landing Andrew Luck, and I'm all for whatever it takes for them to get him. If it means the Rams drafting Luck and dealing Bradford, I'm all in for that as well. The quarterback position is such a huge position for the offense, and we have all seen that if you don't have an Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, or a Tom Brady, you're going to be an 8-8 team at best.

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[quote=celts32;870923]I think we discussed this before and i don't agree. I just can't get my head around not making the play for the QB this year early in the draft. In my mind it's time to stop dking around with the most important position in the sport and do whatever it takes to get one of the QB's I mentioned. Short of Shanny sitting me down and telling me face to face that Tannehill is his #1 guy...I want them to trade up.

They could end up with Tannehill only becasue they settled for him becasue the price was to high to get the others...that's what i don't want.[/quote]

Yeah but you have to consider the QBs at play and look at all needs as a whole, and play the percentages so to speak.

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[quote=SmootSmack;870938]Yeah but you have to consider the QBs at play and look at all needs as a whole, and play the percentages so to speak.[/quote]

I hear you but i no longer belive in the traditional way of building a team with the QB just being one part of that. That worked for us 25 years ago but this is a different league now. It's a totally pass happy league now...all the teams are flawed do to the salary cap & free agency. The teams that win consistently are the ones with the great QB's. I would rather have a roster with 5 holes and a great QB then a roster with 1 hole at QB. Almost every Super Bowl that has been won since the last time the Redskins won has been won by a team with a great QB. It's easier to except that and try and join that club then it is to try and be the 1 or 2 exceptions to the rule...

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[quote=celts32;870951]I hear you but i no longer belive in the traditional way of building a team with the QB just being one part of that. That worked for us 25 years ago but this is a different league now. It's a totally pass happy league now...all the teams are flawed do to the salary cap & free agency. The teams that win consistently are the ones with the great QB's. I would rather have a roster with 5 holes and a great QB then a roster with 1 hole at QB. Almost every Super Bowl that has been won since the last time the Redskins won has been won by a team with a great QB. It's easier to except that and try and join that club then it is to try and be the 1 or 2 exceptions to the rule...[/quote]

Agreed. But you're saying, I think, go for RGIII at #7 because he's way better than Tannehill. And I'm saying the gap isn't that big. At least I think that's essentially where we're disagreeing

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[quote=SmootSmack;870959]Agreed. But you're saying, I think, go for RGIII at #7 because he's way better than Tannehill. And I'm saying the gap isn't that big. At least I think that's essentially where we're disagreeing[/quote]
RG3 is a much better passer and runner than Tannehill as it stands today. However, I think with some hard work and good coaching Tannehill might be a franchise guy if he can continue to improve on this skills. He has the tools to be successful. It's just to much of a risk to take a chance on this guy. If we miss on him that sets us back for years. I wouldn't risk drafting him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;870959]Agreed. But you're saying, I think, go for RGIII at #7 because he's way better than Tannehill. And I'm saying the gap isn't that big. At least I think that's essentially where we're disagreeing[/quote]

Okay then yes...that is where we disagree. I like RG3 much more then you do. My rankings right now are:
1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Bradford Trade
[B]dropoff[/B]
4. Tannehill
5. Jones

The problem we have now which we always seem to have is that we will not get Luck or RG3 without a trade up and we won't draft Tannehill or Jones without a trade down. And Bradford only comes into play at all if the Rams end up picking #1.

[QUOTE=celts32;870974]Okay then yes...that is where we disagree. I like RG3 much more then you do. My rankings right now are:
1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Bradford Trade
[B]dropoff[/B]
4. Tannehill
5. Jones

The problem we have now which we always seem to have is that we will not get Luck or RG3 without a trade up and we won't draft Tannehill or Jones without a trade down. And Bradford only comes into play at all if the Rams end up picking #1.[/QUOTE]

Agreed

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For some reason I still feel we will get Luck or RGIII.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;870977]For some reason I still feel we will get Luck or RGIII.[/quote]


I have that itch too, like MS has to make splash and this is his chance.

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[quote=mredskins;870978]I have that itch too, like MS has to make splash and this is his chance.[/quote]

Exactly


My QB rankings/options

1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Bradford
4. Kellen Moore
5. Foles
6. Flynn
7a. Tannehill
7b. Landry Jones
9. Lindley
10. Cousins
11. Sanchez


If Peyton is really Available and they get the first pick, then I would put peyton after sam bradford before kellen at 4, bad neck and all.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;870980]Exactly


My QB rankings/options

1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Bradford
4. Kellen Moore
5. Foles
6. Flynn
7a. Tannehill
7b. Landry Jones
9. Lindley
10. Cousins
11. Sanchez


If Peyton is really Available and they get the first pick, then I would put peyton after sam bradford before kellen at 4, bad neck and all.[/quote]

That you have sanchez below Flynn, who's barely played, and all those rookies is a joke. Sanchez had won playoff games. half those rookies won't even be 2nd rounders

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;870977]For some reason I still feel we will get Luck or RGIII.[/quote]


I really see Luck being a Redskin come april.. I think we give up what we need to get to number 1

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[quote=celts32;870974]Okay then yes...that is where we disagree. I like RG3 much more then you do. My rankings right now are:
1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Bradford Trade
[B]dropoff[/B]
4. Tannehill
5. Jones

The problem we have now which we always seem to have is that we will not get Luck or RG3 without a trade up and we won't draft Tannehill or Jones without a trade down. And Bradford only comes into play at all if the Rams end up picking #1.[/quote]

Agree and actually think Jones, Foles and maybe some others better than Tannehill.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;870982]That you have sanchez below Flynn, who's barely played, and all those rookies is a joke. Sanchez had won playoff games. half those rookies won't even be 2nd rounders[/quote]

It's off of potential. I'll take flynn who showed he's been great in one start than Sanchez whose running game, OL, WR's, and Defense have taken him to all those wins in the playoffs. Sanchez has been in the league in 3 years, and hasn't showed me anything that makes me go, 'he's a great qb that i'd want on my team.' No no. And the Rookies are on upside/potential.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;870992]It's off of potential. I'll take flynn who showed he's been great in one start than Sanchez whose running game, OL, WR's, and Defense have taken him to all those wins in the playoffs. Sanchez has been in the league in 3 years, and hasn't showed me anything that makes me go, 'he's a great qb that i'd want on my team.' No no. And the Rookies are on upside/potential.[/quote]

if youre looking at potential, you need to compare their potential now vs. the potential that sanchez had when he was in college. otherwise you arent comparing apples ot apples. Other than Luck, i dont think any of the others will come close to the level of success that sanchez has already had. you also have to consider how unbalanced the jets offense is.

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Imo the draft is about probability as much as it is about evaluation.
Anytime you pass/give away a pick or [I]multiple[/I] picks to make 1 pick you're reducing the opportunities to improve your team or a acquire a great player.
In short 4 chances are better then 1 chance.

Unless of course Luck will be the last great QB prospect ever.
Case in point trading up: the Jets traded up to get Sanchez but don't you think they would have been better off drafting Freeman and keeping the picks they traded?

It doesn't make sense to trade picks for Luck or anyother draft pick unless you believe in that player is all you need to win the Super Bowl.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;870994]if youre looking at potential, you need to compare their potential now vs. the potential that sanchez had when he was in college. otherwise you arent comparing apples ot apples. Other than Luck, i dont think any of the others will come close to the level of success that sanchez has already had. you also have to consider how unbalanced the jets offense is.[/quote]

Sanchez was at USC for 1 1/2 years as a starter (total). Some of these guys have started in College for atleast 2 years to the max of all 4 years. Some of these guys had little to no talent around them. Sanchez played at USC with great OLineman, Great defenses, and Great receivers (sound familiar) just like he does with the Jets. Kellen moore has had some good players around him, but he's been smart and consistent, this year he lost a lot of his weapons and is still consistent. Nick Foles has an awful team around him, with only one good WR. Tannehill--who I don't like, but still has potential--has a good WR and RB, and a solid defense, but hasn't played but 2 years, he's more athletic than sanchez and could or could not be better than him, I'd rather get a guy who has unknown potential over a guy whos been good or medicore on great teams than bring him here to this team that is poor.

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[quote=SmootSmack;870719]What if you could, and listen this is a longshot I know, but what if you could trade for Luck without giving up your first round pick in 2012. The Rams are known to be in need of an LT to protect their QB and a 4-3 DE to help Chris Long.

So Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, and some later year first round picks for Luck at #1. At #7 you can maybe move down a bit and get someone like Reiff or even Luck's Stanford teammate Jonathan Martin to be your LT. Don't know who would replace Orakpo.[/quote]


I'd do this in a heartbeat. TW is one toke away from a years suspension, and play wasn't any worse when he was absent. Orakpo would definitely be the bigger loss of the two.

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I have a hard time buying Flynn's potential. He was a 7th round draft pick for a reason. I don't see how a couple years on green bays bench and one good performance filling in has catipulted him into being a great prospect. Everyone wants to throw Brady in your face when talking about late round QB's like Flynn, but Brady is the exception not the rule.

I would not mind bringing Flynn to camp next year but I sure as heck don't want to give him a big contract and make him the starter...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;870984]I really see Luck being a Redskin come april.. I think we give up what we need to get to number 1[/quote]

If the Rams end up at #1 I think that's a virtual lock and it will be expensive. However, if the Colts end up at #1 we're going to have to make a move for RGIII cause the Colts won't budge.

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[quote=celts32;871003]I have a hard time buying Flynn's potential. He was a 7th round draft pick for a reason. I don't see how a couple years on green bays bench and one good performance filling in has catipulted him into being a great prospect. Everyone wants to throw Brady in your face when talking about late round QB's like Flynn, but Brady is the exception not the rule.

I would not mind bringing Flynn to camp next year but I sure as heck don't want to give him a big contract and make him the starter...[/quote]

2nd round pick Brian Brohm was expunged from the Packers instead of Flynn precisely because Flynn performed better than Brohm, draft pick status be damned.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;871009]2nd round pick Brian Brohm was expunged from the Packers instead of Flynn precisely because Flynn performed better than Brohm, draft pick status be damned.[/quote]

I could be wrong, but Flynn looks a lot like Kolb. Looked good in limited action, but may not be that great in the long run.

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Too early to give up on Kolb or label him a bust. He had no offseason there in AZ.

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RG3 playing well

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[quote=SmootSmack;870917]Well yeah but I see Blackmon being ready (or even Claiborne, Reiff)

So I'll take Tannehill (even if he's not fully ready in 2012) and a guy who I think is ready vs. only RG3[/quote]

That really isn't a fair comparison. We would have RG3 and a 2nd round Pick too like Kendall Wright