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[quote=CRU-ECU;872982]As an ecu grad and someone who watched Davis play every game of his college career...no thanks..i can't imagine him being drafted..makes terrible decisions and seems to learn nothing from them on the next series. Never heard anything about an injury. He had a few games last year, when he first ran that air raid offense, where I thought he'd be much better than he ended up being. He was never the quarterback for that type of system though. He transferred from BC when skip holtz was still the coach and was pegged to run a much more conservative offense. He got stuck in an unexpected situation. To be fair, the playcalling was mostly awful this year too.

Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk[/quote]Good insight. Thanks for weighing in.

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[quote=CRU-ECU;872982]As an ecu grad and someone who watched Davis play every game of his college career...no thanks..i can't imagine him being drafted..makes terrible decisions and seems to learn nothing from them on the next series. Never heard anything about an injury. He had a few games last year, when he first ran that air raid offense, where I thought he'd be much better than he ended up being. He was never the quarterback for that type of system though. He transferred from BC when skip holtz was still the coach and was pegged to run a much more conservative offense. He got stuck in an unexpected situation. To be fair, the playcalling was mostly awful this year too.

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ECU grad myself, graduated last may. I couldnt agree more, he makes iffy decisions way too much and yes our play calling was horrible considering it only consisted of slants, screens and draws. Im really praying for a RGIII chance since I think Luck is unrealistic. Flynn has looked good in his LITTLE time playing, but I mean what has he really proved? He won 2 games with the Super Bowl Champs and arguably the best receiving corp and best tight end in the game. I wouldnt mind taking a shot on him but not for too much money.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;872985]ECU grad myself, graduated last may. I couldnt agree more, he makes iffy decisions way too much and yes our play calling was horrible considering it only consisted of slants, screens and draws. Im really praying for a RGIII chance since I think Luck is unrealistic. Flynn has looked good in his LITTLE time playing, but I mean what has he really proved? He won 2 games with the Super Bowl Champs and arguably the best receiving corp and best tight end in the game. I wouldnt mind taking a shot on him but not for too much money.[/quote]

Finley is good, but he is nowhere near Graham, Gronkowski, or even Antonio Gates.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;872986]Finley is good, but he is nowhere near Graham, Gronkowski, or even Antonio Gates.[/quote]He isn't, but I think he has that kind of ability.

Of course, so does Fred Davis.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;872986]Finley is good, but he is nowhere near Graham, Gronkowski, or even Antonio Gates.[/quote]

I agree with GTripp, I certainly think he is just as good as all of the above. Its just that Graham and Grankowski get thrown to more and are a bigger part of each of their teams gameplan, the Packers have weapons on offense for days.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;872986]Finley is good, but he is nowhere near Graham, Gronkowski, or even Antonio Gates.[/quote]

Finley, quietly in the top 5 for drops this season. No sense to get Finley with Fred Davis here and Davis is gonna be much more affordable.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;872717]My biggest fear with Flynn is not that he'll be the next Kolb but rather the next Brees. An UFA franchise changing QB that was there for the taking but passed up by us.[/quote]

Good point. We didn't even sneeze in his direction when he was available. How's his bum shoulder of his holding up in New Orleans?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;872924]Foles is the 3rd best QB in this draft, not Jones, not Tannehill. In my opinion he's the one to watch.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1004259-2012-nfl-draft-nick-foles-and-more-seniors-who-will-help-stock-during-offseason]2012 NFL Draft: Nick Foles and More Seniors Who Will Help Stock During Offseason | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

Scouting report on Foles: [url=http://www.rantsports.com/mock-draft/2011/05/14/nick-foles-scouting-report/]Nick Foles Scouting Report | Mock Draft | Rant Sports[/url]

Great size. Sounds like a Big Ben type.

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[quote=Chico23231;872990]Finley, quietly in the top 5 for drops this season. No sense to get Finley with Fred Davis here and Davis is gonna be much more affordable.[/quote]

Who said anything about bringing Finley here?

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[quote=Ruhskins;872997]Who said anything about bringing Finley here?[/quote]

no one, just talking about his overall ability. he is a free agent, as is Fred Davis, i just rather have Davis.

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would love to land bradford but why would st.louis trade him? he is not the problem,unless they think rg3 is better than him .then i would give up our no.1 pick for him.that would be great just don,t see the rams trading him . can somebody explain more thanks...

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Looking at Tannehill and Jones I don't look at their stats/performance because their indelibly linked to the circumstances that occur with their surrounding team and coaching.
Therefore I'm not concerned nor do I worry about perceived 'dips' in performance because it doesn't change their physical skillset.
Its why a prospect like Locker can have a perceived 'bad' season and still get drafted top 10.

I only look at skillset/talent: can/how does their skillset project at the next level.

Their scheme doesn't matter much to me because all the prospect will(should) have the best coaching of their lives at the next level.

The prospects should all have their best football [I][B]ahead[/B][/I] of them.
[quote=GTripp0012;872981]He's good enough to throw people open, and he's talented enough to drop in a throw 40 yards downfield in a hole in the coverage (which Tannehill can't do), but too often, Jones just plays confused. And I can't understand why............I guess what I'm saying is that if Jones isn't going to respond to coaching, I can't justify keeping him ranked above Tannehill, no matter how talented his right arm is.[/quote]
GT-
As far as the arm talent difference between Jones and Tannehill I just don't see it.
Tannehill can flat out hum it; the litmus test for NFL arm strength from the far hash to the far sideline with ease.
I've seen him hit the seam with ease and drop in 'bucket' throws.

Imo (sum):
Tannehill=Jones arm talent
Tannehill>Jones athleticism(avoid)/playmaking
Jones=experience; especially in know when/what type of throw to use in a given situation
Tannehill>Jones integration into Kyle's offense because of the A&M/Houston offense connection

BUT-
Don't get me wrong I [I]like[/I] Jones.(subtracting Broyles from that offense hurt OU)
He reminds me of a more mobile Ryan Mallett and I liked Mallett alot.
I'm just hashing out why I rank Tannehill ahead for [I][B]this[/B][/I] team.

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[quote=SmootSmack;872779]To be clear, getting Bradford was always going to be a tough putt.[/quote]

In your estimation does Jeff Fisher in St loius raise or lower our chances of getting Bradford?

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[quote=Lotus;872815]Although I seem to be the only one here arguing for grabbing Tannehill or Jones at #6, this is why. I would not trade back any later than #8. Otherwise the Fins or Seahawks may grab our guy, thus meaning we've missed our guy for the second straight year. Reach be damned - get your guy.[/quote]

Amen! I am so sick of the lets get cute attitude with the most important fkn position in the sport!

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[quote=bigant;873000]would love to land bradford but why would st.louis trade him? he is not the problem,unless they think rg3 is better than him .then i would give up our no.1 pick for him.that would be great just don,t see the rams trading him . can somebody explain more thanks...[/quote]

I don't see the Rams drafting RG III unless they feel that he's the only guy who can compensate for not having a good offensive line and still make big plays. I think it's a better move for the Rams to trade down (they don't have to trade down that far) to pick up more picks to help rebuild the offensive line. I think ultimately, they keep Sam Bradford.

In this case, it means some team having enough fire power to rocket up to that pick to land RG III. I don't think it's Miami, as I feel they are fine with going into next season with Matt Moore. Cleveland is a possibility, and I'm not sure if the Redskins are willing to move up to land RG III. I know it was rumored of Denver to move up, but they're not even picking in the first 20 picks, I would think they would have to give up a King's ransom and then some to move all the up to the Rams pick.

I'm starting to believe that the Redskins are not going to make a big splash this offseason for that star QB. They DO have to replace John Beck with a competent backup, but other than that, I'm thinking the Redskins front office continues on with their current plan and THEN maybe looks at the quarterback of the future next offseason.

The big IF is, IF the Redskins stay relatively healthy and have better depth built on the offensive line and in some key positions, the Redskins might win 8 to 10 games. If they win 10 games WITH Rex Grossman this coming season (yes, I know it's a stretch) then Shanahan is going to look like a genius in being patient and getting that future franchise QB next year. By his fifth season, the Redskins will be solid.

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[quote=skinsguy;873024]I don't see the Rams drafting RG III unless they feel that he's the only guy who can compensate for not having a good offensive line and still make big plays. I think it's a better move for the Rams to trade down (they don't have to trade down that far) to pick up more picks to help rebuild the offensive line. I think ultimately, they keep Sam Bradford.

In this case, it means some team having enough fire power to rocket up to that pick to land RG III. I don't think it's Miami, as I feel they are fine with going into next season with Matt Moore. Cleveland is a possibility, and I'm not sure if the Redskins are willing to move up to land RG III. I know it was rumored of Denver to move up, but they're not even picking in the first 20 picks, I would think they would have to give up a King's ransom and then some to move all the up to the Rams pick.

I'm starting to believe that the Redskins are not going to make a big splash this offseason for that star QB. They DO have to replace John Beck with a competent backup, but other than that, I'm thinking the Redskins front office continues on with their current plan and THEN maybe looks at the quarterback of the future next offseason.

The big IF is, IF the Redskins stay relatively healthy and have better depth built on the offensive line and in some key positions, the Redskins might win 8 to 10 games. If they win 10 games WITH Rex Grossman this coming season (yes, I know it's a stretch) then Shanahan is going to look like a genius in being patient and getting that future franchise QB next year. By his fifth season, the Redskins will be solid.[/quote]

That's a HUGE if considering the deficiencies we have with depth at a number of positions. We are going to have to wheel and deal in FA to upgrade a lot of those spots or be a big player in the trade down game again this year in the draft. Or both...

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[quote=GTripp0012;872980]Oddly, the same thing that happened to Tannehill also happened to Dominique Davis as soon as I said I liked him as a prospect: he really started to struggle down the stretch with his reads and throws. Against very mediocre college defenses.

I can't find an ECU weekly injury report anywhere so I have no idea what happened to Davis either.[/quote]

It wasn't a injury. ECU alum and employee here. Davis struggles if is primary read isn't open. He stares down receivers and often makes poor decisions by throwing into double/triple coverage (ala...Rex "**** it i'm going deep") on deep routes.

Even when he was great last year, I never thought he was a NFL type of quarterback. I personally thought he should have been benched a few times this season with his play, but other games would make you marvel. (navy)

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Book us trading up to get RGIII or Luck!.......IT WILL HAPPEN!

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I can't see St Louis trading Bradford either for an unknown. I think they'll wind up trading the pick too. They could be the big winners on draft day if they do.

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[quote=skinsguy;873024]I don't see the Rams drafting RG III unless they feel that he's the only guy who can compensate for not having a good offensive line and still make big plays. I think it's a better move for the Rams to trade down (they don't have to trade down that far) to pick up more picks to help rebuild the offensive line. I think ultimately, they keep Sam Bradford.

In this case, it means some team having enough fire power to rocket up to that pick to land RG III. I don't think it's Miami, as I feel they are fine with going into next season with Matt Moore. Cleveland is a possibility, and I'm not sure if the Redskins are willing to move up to land RG III. I know it was rumored of Denver to move up, but they're not even picking in the first 20 picks, I would think they would have to give up a King's ransom and then some to move all the up to the Rams pick.

[B]I'm starting to believe that the Redskins are not going to make a big splash this offseason for that star QB. They DO have to replace John Beck with a competent backup, but other than that, I'm thinking the Redskins front office continues on with their current plan and THEN maybe looks at the quarterback of the future next offseason. [/B]

The big IF is, IF the Redskins stay relatively healthy and have better depth built on the offensive line and in some key positions, the Redskins might win 8 to 10 games. If they win 10 games WITH Rex Grossman this coming season (yes, I know it's a stretch) then Shanahan is going to look like a genius in being patient and getting that future franchise QB next year. By his fifth season, the Redskins will be solid.[/quote]
I don't think there is ANY way they can sell Grossman and a new backup at QB going into next season to this fan base. There will be a whole bunch of empty seats at Fed Ex if they try to sell that garbage again. QB has to be a focus, both coaches said as much in the final weeks talking about Rex's turnovers and that we are still looking for that guy to be a franchise QB.

I'm starting to lean towards believing that Cleveland isn't really going to be a player for RGIII. I doubt they will give up both first round picks this year to move 2 spots (everyone keeps pointing out their ammo) and their needs at RB and WR outweigh their QB needs. They can fill both needs with their picks and get Richardson and Floyd (for example) and see what McCoy does with talent around them. They may be the only team in the league with worse skill position players than we do. Even if they go the QB route, wouldn't you think that Holmgren would rather follow a path he's had success with, former Green Bay QB (tutored Brunell, acquired Hasselbeck) than draft a rookie? That's got to be the #1 landing spot for Flynn.

It's crazy but based on FA, we may not need to move but one spot to get RGIII.

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[quote=Paintrain;873059][B]I don't think there is ANY way they can sell Grossman and a new backup at QB going into next season to this fan base.[/B] There will be a whole bunch of empty seats at Fed Ex if they try to sell that garbage again. QB has to be a focus, both coaches said as much in the final weeks talking about Rex's turnovers and that we are still looking for that guy to be a franchise QB.

I'm starting to lean towards believing that Cleveland isn't really going to be a player for RGIII. I doubt they will give up both first round picks this year to move 2 spots (everyone keeps pointing out their ammo) and their needs at RB and WR outweigh their QB needs. They can fill both needs with their picks and get Richardson and Floyd (for example) and see what McCoy does with talent around them. They may be the only team in the league with worse skill position players than we do. Even if they go the QB route, wouldn't you think that Holmgren would rather follow a path he's had success with, former Green Bay QB (tutored Brunell, acquired Hasselbeck) than draft a rookie? That's got to be the #1 landing spot for Flynn.

It's crazy but based on FA, we may not need to move but one spot to get RGIII.[/quote]

I agree, heck I don't think they can sell that to themselves let alone the fans again. Could Rex play a little better with more weapons around him? Sure. But the issue remains that he's always been very prone to turnovers. I doubt that's going to change significantly at this point in his career.

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[quote=redsk1;873058]I can't see St Louis trading Bradford either for an unknown. I think they'll wind up trading the pick too. They could be the big winners on draft day if they do.[/quote]

I agree with you that trading the #2 pick could be a big win for St. Louis.

The ideal trade for St. Louis, IMO, would be with Cleveland. I think the best picks for St. Louis would be either Kalil, to help keep Bradford upright, or Blackmon who would be a great playmaker to pair with Bradford. Drafting 4th, St. Louis would be sure to get one of those players.

The only reason I can see for both of those teams to want to make that trade is that Cleveland wants RGIII. If that is the case, then St. Louis should be able to demand, and get, both of Cleveland's first round picks this year and possibly more if other teams get into the bidding for RGIII.

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[quote=bigant;873000]would love to land bradford but why would st.louis trade him? he is not the problem,unless they think rg3 is better than him .then i would give up our no.1 pick for him.that would be great just don,t see the rams trading him . can somebody explain more thanks...[/quote]

The speculation is that if Fisher gets the job he may want to bring in a vet like Orton and use Bradford to get more picks. It may not be likely to happen but who knows. Stranger stuff has happened.

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My own gut feeling is Fisher isn't going to the Rams.

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[quote=SmootSmack;873072]My own gut feeling is Fisher isn't going to the Rams.[/quote]

Who do you think goes to the Rams? My gut tells me Fisher ends up in either Miami or Tampa. I think Tampa's more attractive from a coaching standpoint because of Josh Freeman and solid young core of RBs and WRs.

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[quote=Mattyk;873068]The speculation is that if Fisher gets the job he may want to bring in a vet like Orton and use Bradford to get more picks. It may not be likely to happen but who knows. Stranger stuff has happened.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]This doesnt make a lot of sense to me because im pretty sure Fisher ran a WCO during his tenure at Tenn. Bradford looked great his first year when the Rams were using a WCO but then Shurmur went to Cleveland and McDainels came in and implemented a spread type offense. Which Bradford was against and obviously failed at. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]If Fisher comes in, hes bringing the WCO with him and keeping Bradford. Everyone in St Louis knows the digression with Bradford was because of McDainel’s offense and the loss of Shurmur (who imo is a great coach). [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=Paintrain;873059]I don't think there is ANY way they can sell Grossman and a new backup at QB going into next season to this fan base.[/quote]You never know.
Some members of the fanbase have a knee jerk rationalizations for everything the staff does.

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[quote=GMScud;873073]Who do you think goes to the Rams? My gut tells me Fisher ends up in either Miami or Tampa. I think Tampa's more attractive from a coaching standpoint because of Josh Freeman and solid young core of RBs and WRs.[/quote]

A "retread" like a Marty Mornhinweg or Mike Mularkey

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[quote=GMScud;873073]Who do you think goes to the Rams? My gut tells me Fisher ends up in either Miami or Tampa. I think Tampa's more attractive from a coaching standpoint because of Josh Freeman and solid young core of RBs and WRs.[/quote]
For what it's worth, Fisher and fam do hang out in S Florida some in the off season. Not sure if they own a home or just vacationing......

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[quote=SmootSmack;873072]My own gut feeling is Fisher isn't going to the Rams.[/quote]

Any word on him and Chicago? I thought I read about that being his dream job. Of course Lovie is still there though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;873081]A "retread" like a Marty Mornhinweg or Mike Mularkey[/quote]

Jim Fassel.

lol. His name came up twice for the Skins can we just throw it out there for some other team so his name doesn't come up again for the Skins down the road. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;873081]A "retread" like a Marty Mornhinweg or Mike Mularkey[/quote]

Marty Mornhinweg? You mean defer to the opponent when you win the coin toss in overtime Marty Mornhinweg? Yikes. You'd think if nothing else, Sam Bradford makes that job attractive enough to lure a better candidate than him.

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[quote=Mattyk;873085]Any word on him and Chicago? I thought I read about that being his dream job. Of course Lovie is still there though.[/quote]

Haven't heard anything

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If Norv keeps getting 2nd chances, why not someone like Mornhinweg?

They still have McDaniels on the payroll right now right? I wonder if they're keeping him around for plan B.

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[quote=Mattyk;873098]If Norv keeps getting 2nd chances, why not someone like Mornhinweg?

They still have McDaniels on the payroll right now right? I wonder if they're keeping him around for plan B.[/quote]

LoL Mornhineg lol, good oc, but to me he "jumped the shark" when he rode off on his motorcycle in Detriot from practice in his first year trying to show how bad he was. He should have never rode back from that debacle. And kicking the ball away in overtime!lol

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[quote=Mattyk;873098]If Norv keeps getting 2nd chances, why not someone like Mornhinweg?

They still have McDaniels on the payroll right now right? I wonder if they're keeping him around for plan B.[/quote]

I dont think Norv has ever had a sub 500 season in SD and has won 3 playoff games which is 3 more than Marty Schottenheimer ever won there. Nobody is going to confuse Norv with Vince Lombardi but its not the like guy has been completely inept in SD. Norv's problem is that he doesnt seem very inspirational or a kick you in the a$$ motivator. SD made the right call keeping him on as head coach.

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Turner is just good enough to break your heart.

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[quote=Mattyk;873113]Turner is just good enough to break your heart.[/quote]

True

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[quote=irish;873109]I dont think Norv has ever had a sub 500 season in SD and has won 3 playoff games which is 3 more than Marty Schottenheimer ever won there. Nobody is going to confuse Norv with Vince Lombardi but its not the like guy has been completely inept in SD. Norv's problem is that he doesnt seem very inspirational or a kick you in the a$$ motivator. SD made the right call keeping him on as head coach.[/quote]

He started with a 14-2 team and slowly has driven it into the ground. IMO he has done about as bad as you can do with the talent he started with. His teams don't play hard until they are self motivated...like at the end of a season when it's do or die or in the playoffs. He's absolutely awful awful awful...and I am shocked that of all places he gets defended on a redskins message board.

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[quote=Mattyk;873113]Turner is just good enough to break your heart.[/quote]


Extremely good OC. Mediocre HC.