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[quote=SmootSmack;881505]Hypothetically, what if you could sign Peyton and hold onto your #6 overall pick and take Tannehill there. Or even trade down some and take Tannehill (or whatever QB you prefer) and add more picks.

In other words, what's worth more Luck/Bradford/RG3 starting now and a significant loss of draft picks or Tannehill (or whoever) starting in 2 years with all your draft picks and maybe more?[/quote]

RGIII/Luck. No Bradford. I want RGIII first then Luck. Give up the damn picks. IT'S MY FRANCHISE QB AND I WANT HIM NOW!!!!!!

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881765]Seeing as how Peyton doesn't have Spinal Stenosis what are you talking about?[/quote]

They said he did on NFL radio. I listen every morning, and unless I misheard what they said, it sounded to me like their claim was he had it. That is my source, and that is why I said it. The defense rests.

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[quote=SkinzWin;881844]They said he did on NFL radio. I listen every morning, and unless I misheard what they said, it sounded to me like their claim was he had it. That is my source, and that is why I said it. The defense rests.[/quote]

When Peyton Manning's oldest brother Cooper was diagnosed with a congenital spinal condition that ended his football career in 1992, the boys' father, former NFL quarterback Archie Manning, had both Peyton and Eli Manning tested.

Neither of the quarterbacks had the condition -- spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spinal canal that is especially dangerous for football players.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6957652/peyton-manning-indianapolis-colts-collects-3-million-roster-bonus]Peyton Manning of Indianapolis Colts collects $3 million roster bonus - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;881844]They said he did on NFL radio. I listen every morning, and unless I misheard what they said, it sounded to me like their claim was he had it. That is my source, and that is why I said it. The defense rests.[/quote]

We the jury find the defendant SkinzWin guilty of Manning slander, hindering a draft investigation, deformation of a FAs character, providing false information to a forum, and J walking.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881860]We the jury find the defendant SkinzWin guilty of Manning slander, hindering a draft investigation, deformation of a FAs character, providing false information to a forum, and J walking.[/quote]


Don't forget urinating in public!

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[quote=skinsguy;881866]Don't forget urinating in public![/quote]

We were gonna dismiss that charge but ok.

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does anyone have any idea of what his range was in his prime? 70-80 yards? or any idea of his current range?

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[quote=Mattyk;881847]When Peyton Manning's oldest brother Cooper was diagnosed with a congenital spinal condition that ended his football career in 1992, the boys' father, former NFL quarterback Archie Manning, had both Peyton and Eli Manning tested.

Neither of the quarterbacks had the condition -- spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spinal canal that is especially dangerous for football players.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6957652/peyton-manning-indianapolis-colts-collects-3-million-roster-bonus]Peyton Manning of Indianapolis Colts collects $3 million roster bonus - ESPN[/url][/quote]

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I say we change Matty's name (or avatar) to:


[IMG]http://www.scssoft.com/image/busdriver/busdriver_box_153.jpg[/IMG]

...because he's taking kids to school. :cool-smil

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881766]RGIII/Luck. No Bradford. I want RGIII first then Luck. Give up the damn picks. IT'S MY FRANCHISE QB AND I WANT HIM NOW!!!!!![/quote]

Me too, but one thing about this fan base is that we get really passionate, really quick when we have an idea. I'd be totally satisfied if we hung onto these picks this year, even traded down, and continued to get younger, stronger across the board.

The more I think about it, the more I don't really want to trade up. The Luck thing scares the hell outta' me, but I'm 50/50 on it.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;881878]Me too, but one thing about this fan base is that we get really passionate, really quick when we have an idea. I'd be totally satisfied if we hung onto these picks this year, even traded down, and continued to get younger, stronger across the board.

The more I think about it, the more I don't really want to trade up. The Luck thing scares the hell outta' me, but I'm 50/50 on it.[/quote]

I don't know what it is but with RGIII. I haven't wanted a player so badly since Sean Taylor in 04'.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881882]I don't know what it is but with RGIII. I haven't wanted a player so badly since Sean Taylor in 04'.[/quote]

I mean the dude is beast, and weirdly enough, I kind of see him falling to our spot for some reason, Gabbert-style.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;881891]I mean the dude is beast, and weirdly enough, I kind of see him falling to our spot for some reason, Gabbert-style.[/quote]

I do too my draft top 10 is this:

IND- Andrew Luck
STL- Matt Kalil
MIN- Morris Claiborne
CLE- Justin Blackmon
TB- Trent Richardson
WSH- Robert Griffin III
JAX- Riely Reiff
CAR- Quentin Couples
MIA- Michael Brockers
BUF- Johnathan Martin

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881899]I do too my draft top 10 is this:

IND- Andrew Luck
STL- Matt Kalil
MIN- Morris Claiborne
CLE- Justin Blackmon
TB- Trent Richardson
WSH- Robert Griffin III
JAX- Riely Reiff
CAR- Quentin Couples
MIA- Michael Brockers
BUF- Johnathan Martin[/quote]

It's stinkin' Cleveland that's going to be the game-changer. I mean do you still with McCoy? Orton? MANNING? It just depends on how close they think they are.

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I think they give McCoy one more chance.

A WR core of:
Blackmon, Greg Little, and Mohammed Massaquai (repping family baby) should be solid. A healthy Hilis and maybe Mike Tolbert (more family) is a pretty good core not to mention they have a good OL

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881904]I think they give McCoy one more chance.

A WR core of:
Blackmon, Greg Little, and Mohammed Massaquai (repping family baby) should be solid. A healthy Hilis and maybe Mike Tolbert (more family) is a pretty good core not to mention they have a good OL[/quote]I was watching 2008 Miami-North Carolina last night just because I was interested to see who from that game was in the NFL already (pretty much everybody), but it helped me to remember why I didn't think Greg Little was that great in last year's draft: he was a power running back in the ACC in 2008. I know he played a year as a receiver and all as UNC tried to replace Hakeem Nicks, but for a straight line running back to be drafted as a receiver in the pros?

Kind of clarifies the infatuation Mike Holmgren had with Koren Robinson over the years, does it not?

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seriously, can anyone confirm if i'm in the right ballpark when i estimate that manning's range was 75 yards in his prime? please

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[quote=los panda;881912]seriously, can anyone confirm if i'm in the right ballpark when i estimate that manning's range was 75 yards in his prime? please[/quote]There is no way to [I][B]confirm[/B][/I] but I think 75 is doubtful.
75 yards is [I][B]elite[/B][/I] distance and while Peyton Manning has a good arm he doesn't have [I][B]elite[/B][/I] arm strength.

I remember a QB Challenge w/ Hasselbeck, Vick, Aaron Brooks, Manning, Brunell and the distance competition was won with a throw [I][B]under[/B][/I] under 70 yards.

As a frame of reference Flacco (who I think we all can agree has elite arm strength?) can almost throw it 75 yards:

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so i'm not in the [B]ballpark[/B] when i say 75 yards? i remember seeing a pro sling it 80 yards with no pads, maybe it was culpepper. so manning would have been in the 60-65 yard [B]ballpark[/B] in his prime?

thank you for responding, i'm trying to get a frame of reference for his "recovery". i think his range is roughly 40 yards right now. i can throw 50 yards on my best day and i stopped growing when i was in 7th grade.

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I think Peyton Manning is going to come back, wherever he is next year with a fkking HUGE chip on his shoulder, and remind all the naysayers exactly who the hell they are doubting. I just hope he is on this team while he proves all the negative nancies completely wrong.

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Flacco and Cutler to me have the strongest arms in the league.

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Cutler for sure

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[quote=Mechanix544;881949]I think Peyton Manning is going to come back, wherever he is next year with a fkking HUGE chip on his shoulder, and remind all the naysayers exactly who the hell they are doubting. [B]I just hope he is on this team[/B] while he proves all the negative nancies completely wrong.[/quote]

I could live with that :)

I also don't want him on an NFC East roster if it is not us.

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[quote=los panda;881923]so i'm not in the [B]ballpark[/B] when i say 75 yards? i remember seeing a pro sling it 80 yards with no pads, maybe it was culpepper. so manning would have been in the 60-65 yard [B]ballpark[/B] in his prime?

thank you for responding, i'm trying to get a frame of reference for his "recovery". i think his range is roughly 40 yards right now. i can throw 50 yards on my best day and i stopped growing when i was in 7th grade.[/quote]My guess on the 80 yards club would be Elway, Cunningham (i recall seeing him throw it 78 at the QB challenge) Mike Vick and Kyle Boller.
But it wouldn't surprise if Culpepper could chuck it 80 before his knee got trashed.

Yeah, my guess would be 60 yards club for PM.

I got no clue on how to even guess at what his range is right now.

Every summer I throw with my nephew who plays at Olde Mill and my buddy who plays semi-pro.
I can throw it around 45-50 yards, used to be able to throw it 55-60 before I tore my rotator cuff.
I had a buddy in college that could throw 65+ yards baseball player that got a try out with the Marlins.
If he beamed the ball at you, you could hear it hissing.

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What about Jeff George?

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What about Jamarcus Russell?....lol!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;882015]What about Jeff George?[/quote]

What about Curious George?

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boller, i believe. i'm pretty sure he can throw farther from one knee than i can on two feet.

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[quote=12thMan;881546]SkinzWin, you painted the exact scenario that has to be running through Bruce Allen's mind right now. Think about it, do the Redskins really want another high profile free agent that "might not" work out or the flags were there and they took the plunge anyway?

I doubt it.

This PR battle between Irsay and Manning has to be turning off potential suitors.[/quote]

We are talking about a HOF QB Peyton Manning here not, signing Jeff George. Manning has proven he is 1 of the best QB's ever to play. No GM could fault the Redskins for signing Peyton if he is healthy. He could give us 3-4 years while we find a future franchise QB. We keep all of our draft picks or trade down from #6 for more picks and get our young QB in the later rounds. This is a win situation for us. Peyton will is a top 5 QB when healthy and RGIII or Luck have not done squat in the NFL.

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i don't see how peyton is turning off potential suitors

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[quote=skins89moss;882051]We are talking about a HOF QB Peyton Manning here not, signing Jeff George. Manning has proven he is 1 of the best QB's ever to play. No GM could fault the Redskins for signing Peyton if he is healthy. He could give us 3-4 years while we find a future franchise QB. We keep all of our draft picks or trade down from #6 for more picks and get our young QB in the later rounds. This is a win situation for us. Peyton will is a top 5 QB when healthy and RGIII or Luck have not done squat in the NFL.[/quote]

I agree completely. But the question/concern about Peyton Manning playing in for the Redskins is this: Can he play quarterback effectively in a west coast offense after being in one offense for so many years? Can Manning do what Mike Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan want him to do? Will the Shanahans attempt to alter the things that Peyton does best on the field and try and change him like how they did with McNabb? Will Mike Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan allow Peyton Manning to call his own plays like he had been doing for Indianapolis? What if the situation blows up like it did with McNabb?

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;882061]I agree completely. But the question/concern about Peyton Manning playing in for the Redskins is this: Can he play quarterback effectively in a west coast offense after being in one offense for so many years? Can Manning do what Mike Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan want him to do? Will the Shanahans attempt to alter the things that Peyton does best on the field and try and change him like how they did with McNabb? Will Mike Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan allow Peyton Manning to call his own plays like he had been doing for Indianapolis? What if the situation blows up like it did with McNabb?[/quote]

This is an excellent question. The move with McNabb seemed good on paper, but he truly was shot as a QB and his fate in Minnesota proved that. Nobody knows if Manning is physically done. His neck has healed fully, but there are lingering doubts about his arm strength/velocity and I think one doctor has already said that it arm will not be what it used to be.

That being said, the man is still a genius and has the mental tools to command an offense. Can he find ways to win like Chad Pennington, even though he doesn't have the arm anymore? I think so. How many times do you really see a guy throw an 80 yard bomb that results in a touchdown? It happens but not often. If Peyton has decent velocity at 50 yards, he can make things happen. I just think his arm strength is too up in the air right now.

I dont want to see him end up being like Mark Brunell, who was a great QB, but by the time he got here his arm was basically shot. Thats why I beleived Manning would never come back if he couldn't be what he was before...We will see.

Peyton as a redskin gives us instant credibility, but at the same time, are we a team that is built to win right now? I don't think so. I think anybody who gets Manning will have him for one more season, possibly two, but we all could be wrong and Peyton could play for 4 or 5 more seasons. I hope he is healthy enough to do that because the NFL will be weird with Manning gone for good, and "that other great QB" (over-rated Tom Brady) won't be long to follow him, as he has already hinted at retirement a few times this past season...

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;882061]I agree completely. But the question/concern about Peyton Manning playing in for the Redskins is this: Can he play quarterback effectively in a west coast offense after being in one offense for so many years? Can Manning do what Mike Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan want him to do? Will the Shanahans attempt to alter the things that Peyton does best on the field and try and change him like how they did with McNabb? Will Mike Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan allow Peyton Manning to call his own plays like he had been doing for Indianapolis? What if the situation blows up like it did with McNabb?[/quote]Good questions.
But I think the larger question is this: do you trust Mike/Kyle to recognize that PM has proven to be successful enough in his passing offense to warrant adapting their entire offense to more or less mirror Peyton's passing game?

Therefore I don't think it becomes a question of whether PM can learn the Kyle's playbook and verbiage or do what they want him to do.

I think Mike/Kyle would have to come to an understanding that if the sign PM they're signing on to install the 'PM passing offense'.

My thinking is that PM would teach the passing offense to Mike/Kyle/Matt LeFleur/Ike Hilliard.
They would then translate PM plays into their verbiage.
Peyton would have to learn to speak the language of our offense so he could call [I][B]his[/B][/I] plays and [I]our[/I] players would understand; which imo would be no problem.
Then sit back and watch PM take charge of the passing game taking every rep from the start of OTA til the playoffs. ;)

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[quote=30gut;882087]Good questions.
But I think the larger question is this: do you trust Mike/Kyle to recognize that PM has proven to be successful enough in his passing offense to warrant adapting their entire offense to more or less mirror Peyton's passing game?

Therefore I don't think it becomes a question of whether PM can learn the Kyle's playbook and verbiage or do what they want him to do.

I think Mike/Kyle would have to come to an understanding that if the sign PM they're signing on to install the 'PM passing offense'.

My thinking is that PM would teach the passing offense to Mike/Kyle/Matt LeFleur/Ike Hilliard.
They would then translate PM plays into their verbiage.
Peyton would have to learn to speak the language of our offense so he could call [I][B]his[/B][/I] plays and [I]our[/I] players would understand; which imo would be no problem.
[B]Then sit back and watch PM take charge of the passing game taking every rep from the start of OTA til the playoffs. ;)[/B][/quote]

A better statement would be to sit back and watch Peyton take charge of the passing game for every rep from the start of OTAs to the final seconds of next years Super Bowl. :)

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;881762]So you just gonna throw me under the bus?[/QUOTE]

I'm a little late here Quake but what are you talking about? I was talking about RexKelly and every other newb that joins here and writes 10 posts and then starts a new thread promoting their blog or w/e.

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[quote=mooby;882129]I'm a little late here Quake but what are you talking about? I was talking about RexKelly and every other newb that joins here and writes 10 posts and then starts a new thread promoting their blog or w/e.[/quote]

The foof comment. LOL

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;882114]A better statement would be to sit back and watch Peyton take charge of the passing game for every rep from the start of OTAs to the final seconds of next years Super Bowl. :)[/quote]Touche; makes me think of a quote from [U]Games That Changed the Game[/U]

[quote=Ron Jaworski]With some teams, the differece between their first-string and back-up isn't that much, but if your number one guy is a superstar, it's a different story...As we[Ron Jaworski/Jon Gruden] watched, we were surprised to see Manning taking virtually all the reps in the session. Jon asked Tom [Tom Moore Colts OC] why he wasn't giving some snaps to Peyton's backups....He looked us both in the eye, paused for a moment, then said in that gravelly voice of his, "Fellas, if '18' goes down, we're *bleeped*. And we don't practice *bleeped*."[/quote]

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;882139]The foof comment. LOL[/quote]

LOL. You can pretend it was an accident all you want but we all know you were jonesing to start a thread where we can discuss foof using code language. ;) But don't worry, your secret's safe with me.

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[quote=mooby;882153]LOL. You can pretend it was an accident all you want but we all know you were jonesing to start a thread where we can discuss foof using code language. ;) But don't worry, your secret's safe with me.[/quote]

Weirdly enough Jones is my last name.

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Now this is funny and interesting, I hope the Rams get burned and left SOL.

[url=http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2012/2/5/2773301/2012-nfl-trade-rumors-peyton-manning-washington-redskins]2012 NFL Trade Rumors: Peyton Manning On Washington's Radar - Turf Show Times[/url]

[QUOTE]Washington might be less inclined to swap picks if they sign Manning. Miami is expected to pursue Matt Flynn of the Packers. That leaves Cleveland, Arizona and Seattle as the most quarterback needy teams. NFC West teams will be less likely to trade up with their division rivals. If Cleveland has no interest in trading up, Washington gets Manning and Miami gets Flynn, the Rams may be S.O.L. looking for a trade partner. Seattle or Arizona could then make a deal with Minnesota or Cleveland for RG3. [/QUOTE]

I just love seeing greedy teams getting burned cause they were asking for a mint in trade and then couldn't.