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[quote=CultBrennan59;894475]That was actually specifically for you (the veldheer thing) cause that always stuck in the back of my mind and I was going to politely bring that up to you on a draft board but like I said I'm so amped right now I'm jumping around like a kid at christmas that we got griffin. [B]Predicting the NFL is 50-50[/B]. I think we all can go on this board and point out the he's right/you're rights about so many subjects.[/quote]Neither of us is anywhere near 50-50.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;894477]You must have missed a lot of drops by our receivers, or the terrible O line play due to starters being injured, etc. Fred Davis, Fletch, Kerrigan and Helu were our heroes last season, that was pretty much it. Hightower was fine till he got banged up, then he broke his leg. Just before he broke his leg he was only getting 2 ypg his last two games. Also, I think our starting O line isn't really all that hot. Throw in the probability of losing Landry and Fletch and well you have a lot of holes, especially if they trade Orakpo to try and get some picks back. Now we have to pray we find another Cooley gem or two in the mid to late rounds this season to actually make the 2-7 rounds worthwhile.[/quote]

Always a glass half-full kinda guy huh?

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In my thinking... there are 3 unique factors that FORCED the Skins into 3-1st Round Picks:

A) The Browns - We just HAPPENED (our luck) to be competing with a team who had 2 1st round picks when we are trying to trade up. Bad coincidence... this drove the asking price up.

B) Peyton Manning - Apparently, Peyton Manning was not going to be a backup/fallback option and our whole FO & Staff knew we NEEDED one of the "big 3 (Luck, RGII, Manning)"... this drove our buying point up.

C) WR Position - We just happen to be shopping for a top-teir FA WR at the same time as this scenario is playing out. This means we had to make a deal early, before free agency starts. Hard to sell a WR on a team with no QB... The flip-side is, the cost goes up BECAUSE free agency hasn't started, with FA QB options landing with teams competing for the #2 pick.

Ouch. 3 bad coincidences that just happened to hit us as this trade played out.

I say... hey... they realized they had to do what they had to do to get their guy. I hate losing the 2nd round pick the most, though... but... hey...

WE HAVE A REAL HOPE AT THE QB POSITION FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LOOOOOONNNNGGG TIME!!! LET'S CELEBRATE THAT, NOT WHAT THE FUTURE PICKS "MAY" HAVE BEEN!!

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[quote=44Deezel;894478]I agree. Someone else in this draft or in free agency is going to turn out to be a better QB and the team who didn't give everything up to get that QB will be more successful. Flynn, Tannehill, Weeden, Cousins, etc. Do we even know Cleveland was a threat? If they got Flynn, we would have been in the driver's seat. This seems like a move of the previous regime. Competing against themselves.[/quote]

I disagree. I think Cleveland had legit interest, which definitely helped drive the price up. I just hope it's not confirmed that the 2nd round pick is included in the deal, we could really use that pick to help RG3 out this year.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;894465]One thing this deal does for us, getting it done now, is give us some leverage with courting potential free agents, especially a big time receiver.

Gotta figure out how to shore up the D and the O-line as well...not going to be easy.

But hey, chances are RG3 will be a good one for some time, but dang...can't get over the price. Hopefully this time next year I will be over it :)[/quote]

We need to shore up the O line to ensure he stays around for us. I would hope O line is the top FA priority now. If we don't shore it up this offseason we need to start Grossman again maybe so RG doesn't get killed until we have a decent line in place. That is my main line why I am bitching about the steep price. We really need to find 2-3 starting linemen soon. Trent is the new Tre Johnson, but at towards the end of his career, oft injured.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;894459]RG III would have to be a lot better than Elway, Favre, Young, Marino, to to win with our team as it stands right now. We basically put all our eggs in one basket ala Shuler way back when. Thing is if RG III is a dud, we don't have a Frerotte or Trent Green to at least keep us somewhat competitve. Beck and Grossman suck![/quote]

But sometimes you have to go all in. RGIII is not going to be a dud. And the redskins finally have a potentially great qb. In the nfl, a great qb and a great defensive line may be all you need. It could be argued that- that's what the giants had this year.

It appeared to be true- Shanahan would be fired if he didn't pick up RGIII or Manning- or by some miracle another qb would have been able to play well enough for redskins to get into the playoffs.

What would you have done in Shanahans place?

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[quote=GTripp0012;894481]Neither of us is anywhere near 50-50.[/quote]

True, its probably less..My bad if I pissed you off. We're still wishing for the same thing which is for this team to become a super bowl winner again. We (on paper) have that right now with this QB move.

Lets get a WR and CB in FA and get this offseason going!

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Wow

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[quote=warriorzpath;894486]What would you have done in Shanahans place?[/quote]I would have lost my job after the Bills game.

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The Chargers got 1st a 3rd and a 5th for Eli Manning.

The Chargers got a 3rd, 2nd and Tim Dwight for Vick.

We gave up two 1st and a 2nd for RGIII.

Looking at the above trades and value we got ripped for sure. I hope we get multiple superbowls out of this. Hopefully, it does down as one of the greatest trades ever in our favor instead of turning the Rams franchise around.

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I'm off to bed but I'm stoked! Yeah it's a lot but we get OUR guy now.. FINALLY

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[quote=warriorzpath;894486]But sometimes you have to go all in. RGIII is not going to be a dud. And the redskins finally have a potentially great qb. In the nfl, a great qb and a great defensive line may be all you need. It could be argued that- that's what the giants had this year.

It appeared to be true- Shanahan would be fired if he didn't pick up RGIII or Manning- or by some miracle another qb would have been able to play well enough for redskins to get into the playoffs.

[B]What would you have done in Shanahans place?[/B][/quote]

Instead of giving up 3 #1's and a #2, I'd have stayed at 6 and taken Tannehill.

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[quote=SkinzWin;894482]Always a glass half-full kinda guy huh?[/quote]


Nope. We don't have the team in place to make a run yet. I thought we were on the right path for a change to build a solid winner. Any good SB winning HOF QB in the last 20 years always had a star studded cast to help him win. Do you think we are a star studded team? We gave up the ghost for a guy with reat talent, but who doesn't have the best Wr corp or O line protecting him. If our WR corp was more reliable and the O line solid the deal would have been OK, but with the reality of the situation, this is a big ass gamble.

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I guess the 2nd rounder this year is a lock...

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8278079f/article/redskins-acquire-second-overall-pick-in-deal-with-rams?campaign=twitter_news]NFL.com news: Redskins acquire second overall pick in deal with Rams[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;894488]True, its probably less..My bad if I pissed you off. We're still wishing for the same thing which is for this team to become a super bowl winner again. We (on paper) have that right now with this QB move.

Lets get a WR and CB in FA and get this offseason going![/quote]You didn't piss me off, and you were closer to calling the ultimate compensation than I were. You could have just said that and/or replied directly to me if that was your point.

I may have called you a douche anyway. But you would have saved some face.

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Maybe worth it!!!

Yes!!!!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;894428]



love it[/QUOTE]



I love it too.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;894495]Nope. We don't have the team in place to make a run yet. I thought we were on the right path for a change to build a solid winner. Any good SB winning HOF QB in the last 20 years always had a star studded cast to help him win. Do you think we are a star studded team? We gave up the ghost for a guy with reat talent, but who doesn't have the best Wr corp or O line protecting him. If our WR corp was more reliable and the O line solid the deal would have been OK, but with the reality of the situation, this is a big ass gamble.[/quote]

Neither did the Colts with Manning. He made those players good. Look what happened when he got hurt. The team fell to $h!t. Just chill out a bit and see how this thing rides out....

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Too funny!

Rich Eisen ‏ @richeisen
Good one. RT @WhitlockJason: Source: David Stern plans to veto Redskins-Rams trade. Story is developing, check back later for details.

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RGIII better be the real deal and not the second coming of Akili Smith or the Redskins are ****ed for a long, long, time.

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Let me ask this question - assuming that the redskins really had a slim chance for manning, did Shanahan really have another option this year at qb- without getting fired?

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[quote=warriorzpath;894505]Let me ask this question - assuming that the redskins really had a slim chance for manning, did Shanahan really have another option this year at qb- without getting fired?[/quote]

Yes.

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[quote=Ruhskins;894503]Too funny!

Rich Eisen ‏ @richeisen
Good one. RT @WhitlockJason: Source: David Stern plans to veto Redskins-Rams trade. Story is developing, check back later for details.[/quote]

:lol: I almost shit myself for a half a second until I realized David Stern is not Roger Goodell. I guess this means we won't get Chris Paul to be our #1 receiver??

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;894504]RGIII better be the real deal and not the second coming of Akili Smith or the Redskins are ****ed for a long, long, time.[/quote]

Shoot, he can be good and we're still ****ed. He had better be solid gold for this price.

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Persistence is key

[url]https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/178331690710736897[/url]

Trade will not change Redskins plans in pursuing Peyton Manning. Intend to talk with and try to sign him, even if considered a longshot.

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[quote=Lotus;894468]But you were not right. You did not predict 3 #1's and a #2. [B]Smug without a cause are you.[/B][/quote]

Yoda? Really? I just said that when people said I was crazy for offering up (whats now nothing) a large amount of picks people said it wouldn't be that much I said it would to get it to that. That's all I was trying to say. I was gonna message you this but I can't message for some reason. Maybe you can tell me how.

[B]So Lotus, who would you get for RG3 to throw to since we have no second rounder now?[/B]

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[quote=Lotus;894494]Instead of giving up 3 #1's and a #2, I'd have stayed at 6 and taken Tannehill.[/quote]In all honesty, I happen to prefer what the Redskins actually did to taking Tannehill at six.

But I have to be right about BOTH Griffin AND Tannehill. If not right about both, then I am wrong about preferring this trade.

If Griffin isn't the clear no. 1 on the depth chart in 2014 for whatever reason and Tannehill is starting in this league, this will be the worst trade in modern NFL history, and what Shanahan will ultimately be remembered for, instead of the super bowls.

So yeah, this is very much going all-in. Recklessly all-in.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;894511]Yoda? Really? I just said that when people said I was crazy for offering up (whats now nothing) a large amount of picks people said it wouldn't be that much I said it would to get it to that. That's all I was trying to say. I was gonna message you this but I can't message for some reason. Maybe you can tell me how.

[B]So Lotus, who would you get for RG3 to throw to since we have no second rounder now?[/B][/quote]

Vincent Jackson
Marques Colston
Robert Meachem
Reggie Wayne
Pierre Garcon
Mario Manningham

But I'm not Lotus....

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[quote=warriorzpath;894486]But sometimes you have to go all in. RGIII is not going to be a dud. And the redskins finally have a potentially great qb. In the nfl, a great qb and a great defensive line may be all you need. It could be argued that- that's what the giants had this year.

It appeared to be true- Shanahan would be fired if he didn't pick up RGIII or Manning- or by some miracle another qb would have been able to play well enough for redskins to get into the playoffs.

What would you have done in Shanahans place?[/quote]

Going all in isn't the style that BA and Shanny started off with in their first two drafts. Get more picks, draft smart, draft needs. RG III right now might be akin to Vick in ATL. He will be fun to watch, but with a less talented supporting cast. Face it you go all in and lose, you lose for awhile. What happened when we drafted Shuler, many thought he was a sure thing also way back then. The Shuler debacle killed this team for over a decade. We still haven't found a franchise QB!! I really hope I am eating crow this time in 2013, but if I am not Holy Shit, you might be looking at another 2-4 years of crappy win loss records.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;894495]Nope. We don't have the team in place to make a run yet. I thought we were on the right path for a change to build a solid winner. Any good SB winning HOF QB in the last 20 years always had a star studded cast to help him win. Do you think we are a star studded team? We gave up the ghost for a guy with reat talent, but who doesn't have the best Wr corp or O line protecting him. If our WR corp was more reliable and the O line solid the deal would have been OK, but with the reality of the situation, this is a big ass gamble.[/quote]

Yes, we have holes but a great QB makes a team better. Place some of the Patriots offensive playmakers on the Skins with Grossman at QB and see how great they do.

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It's not like we traded a 2nd for TJ Duckett all over again.

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Ok even though the surprise is gone every single one of us will be watching the draft just to see RG3's name get called up for us. Remember this moment. The moment the Redskins were reborn haha

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[quote=warriorzpath;894505]Let me ask this question - assuming that the redskins really had a slim chance for manning, did Shanahan really have another option this year at qb- without getting fired?[/quote]I think he could have tried to poach Alex Smith as a stopgap.

That would have been buying high, sure, and Smith isn't anyone's franchise quarterback, but it would have been a legit acquisition at the QB position that wouldn't have cost draft value and would have swung the leverage back to the Redskins.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;894511]Yoda? Really? I just said that when people said I was crazy for offering up (whats now nothing) a large amount of picks people said it wouldn't be that much I said it would to get it to that. That's all I was trying to say. I was gonna message you this but I can't message for some reason. Maybe you can tell me how.

[B]So Lotus, who would you get for RG3 to throw to since we have no second rounder now?[/B][/quote]

So much for stopping acting like a child and letting it go. :doh:

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"Originally Posted by GusFrerotte
Stupid. You just traded away 3 badly needed starters for one. What happened through getting more picks like NE and building steadily. This kid isn't a Manning or Elway or Luck type out of college. He is a very good QB no less, but played in a weakend Big 12 that happens to be defensively deficient most of the time. Snyder has done it again, got the fans snagged on the hot sexy pick, hoping it will pan out. I think BA and Shanny are feeling the heat so they went against the plan to save their asses. I like RG III a lot, but 3 first rounders for a still unproven commodity at the NFL level is not wise."

[B]I'm not a "RGII walks on water person", but I'll say this...

vs Texas = #11 defense in the country in 2012 (they were VERY good):
RGIII - 15-22, 320 yds, 2 TD, INT

vs TCU = #34 in the country:
21-27, 359 yds, 5 TD, 0 INT

Those aren't OK numbers... they are great... and he's playing with a Baylor offensive line (not Wisconsin's), and throwing to Baylor WRs (not Miami's or USCs).

I just mean, he may flop, but I hate when people use the whole Big 12 argument... that's just me.[/B]

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;894516]It's not like we traded a 2nd for TJ Duckett all over again.[/quote]

Only time will tell, no one knows.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;894514]Going all in isn't the style that BA and Shanny started off with in their first two drafts. Get more picks, draft smart, draft needs. [B]RG III right now might be akin to Vick in ATL. He will be fun to watch, but with a less talented supporting cast. Face it you go all in and lose, you lose for awhile. [/B]What happened when we drafted Shuler, many thought he was a sure thing also way back then. The Shuler debacle killed this team for over a decade. We still haven't found a franchise QB!! I really hope I am eating crow this time in 2013, but if I am not Holy Shit, you might be looking at another 2-4 years of crappy win loss records.[/quote]

People doubted Cam Newton. He did okay. Stop hatting hatter.

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What would you have rather had? I am excited for this team and its future and it has been a while. What keep hoping for next year since we always just miss out on that quarterback. We are basically giving up two additional first round picks and a second. I wouldn't prefer it but I like it more than hoping to get a quarterback next year. I am sick of waiting and now I know we got a playmaker and not rex grossman looking like an idiot. Quarterbacks make teams and now we finally have a team.

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In other news Vinny Cerrato says he would have done the same for Justin Blackmon. LOL.