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[quote=The Goat;945936]Here's a Helu question: could the achilles injuries led to turf toe? I'm thinking about how athletes will compensate for an injury in their step or stride, which can lead to other injuries.

My curiousity is because it seems strange and pretty worrisome Helu got turf toe w/o a lot of miles, like how injury prone is he?[/quote]

Yeah I don't know. Good question though

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[quote=SmootSmack;945945]Well he's getting his knee scoped. When he returns he has said he wants to return to the Skins but we'll see what happens[/quote]

I just don't see why he wouldn't shred the knee again. Not trying to be a debbie downer, but after one of those big cuts, I just can't see it lasting long.

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This has to be the most injured (injury-prone) team in the league. I don't recall it ever being this bad before.

Yeah it seems like we have more injuries than anyone over the last 2-3 seasons. This franchise really is snakebit.

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Other than Carlos Rogers I can't remember any ex Skins who've complained about the training/medical staff. And his situation seemed pretty bizarre to me.

But overall I have noticed that we tend to play sloppy on both sides of the ball, the difference this season being RG3's extreme talent and ability, which I strongly suspect contributes to injuries several ways.

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[quote=The Goat;945936]Here's a Helu question: could the achilles injuries led to turf toe? I'm thinking about how athletes will compensate for an injury in their step or stride, which can lead to other injuries.

My curiousity is because it seems strange and pretty worrisome Helu got turf toe w/o a lot of miles, like how injury prone is he?[/quote]

I hate to say it, but Helu is just a plain sissy. Remember the days when running backs such as John Riggins, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett, Marcus Allen, Curt Warner, Ernest Byner, Franco Harris, Barry Sanders, and Emmit Smith all carried the load year in and year out and remained injury free? It seems these current day running backs are not of that mold anymore. When Lombardi coached, running backs and players of other positions played with injuries. Now, players have to sit out 2-3 weeks nursing this, and nursing that. Certain players have become sissies. Bottom damn line!

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Have you seen the physical state of most of the Old School players?

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[quote=RedskinRat;945984]Have you seen the physical state of most of the Old School players?[/quote]

I know a lot of former players are suffering from their play on the gridiron during another era. But when they were hurt, they still played. In retrospect to today's players, those former players played through the injuries and the pain. I can't say the same for today's players. Today's players are sissies and I stand by that opinion.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;945983]I hate to say it, but Helu is just a plain sissy. Remember the days when running backs such as John Riggins, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett, Marcus Allen, Curt Warner, Ernest Byner, Franco Harris, Barry Sanders, and Emmit Smith all carried the load year in and year out and remained injury free? It seems these current day running backs are not of that mold anymore. When Lombardi coached, running backs and players of other positions played with injuries. Now, players have to sit out 2-3 weeks nursing this, and nursing that. Certain players have become sissies. Bottom damn line![/quote]

Nonsense.

Ever have turf toe? Or any sort of significant foot injury?

The guys you list were far from being "injury free".

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;945986]I know a lot of former players are suffering from their play on the gridiron during another era. But when they were hurt, they still played. In retrospect to today's players, those former players played through the injuries and the pain. I can't say the same for today's players. Today's players are sissies and I stand by that opinion.[/QUOTE]

(1) You realize the size, strength and speed of current players is beyond anything with which the "classic gridiron" guys dealt? (The Hogs were the heaviest O-line of their day. Today, they would be the smallest, by far, in the league).

(2) "Sissies"? That is just plain ignorant, moronic, obtuse - take your pick of adjectives describing someone who holds an opinion completely lacking in anything but apocryphal data for support. I am 50 year old guy - "back-in-the-day" I saw some players play with pain and some who refused. Your "opinion" is simply a personal bias lacking any factual data. Further, your rose-colored "back in my day" attitude denigrates the serious risks these guys put themself in week in and week out.

I stand by [I]that[/I] opinion.

P.S.: John Riggins missed much of the 74 season due to an shoulder injury and the 77 season due to a sknee injury -- and then of course there's that contract thing in '80. Just saying...

P.P.S.: Being an old-timer, I am sure you remember Jim Brown calling Franco Harris a softie b/c he ran out of bounds to avoid contact and [I]of course[/I] you recall that Harris didn't deny it but asserted he was just playing smart ...

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[quote=joeredskin;946001](1) you realize the size, strength and speed of current players is beyond anything with which the "classic gridiron" guys dealt? (the hogs were the heaviest o-line of their day. Today, they would be the smallest, by far, in the league).

(2) "sissies"? That is just plain ignorant, moronic, obtuse - take your pick of adjectives describing someone who holds an opinion completely lacking in anything but apocryphal data for support. I am 50 year old guy - "back-in-the-day" i saw some players play with pain and some who refused. Your "opinion" is simply a personal bias lacking any factual data. Further, your rose-colored "back in my day" attitude denigrates the serious risks these guys put themself in week in and week out.

I stand by [i]that[/i] opinion.

P.s.: John riggins missed much of the 74 season due to an shoulder injury and the 77 season due to a sknee injury -- and then of course there's that contract thing in '80. Just saying...

P.p.s.: Being an old-timer, i am sure you remember jim brown calling franco harris a softie b/c he ran out of bounds to avoid contact and [i]of course[/i] you recall that harris didn't deny it but asserted he was just playing smart ...[/quote]

lol

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[quote=RedskinRat;945984]Have you seen the physical state of most of the Old School players?[/quote]

If he's still breathing he better be out on the field! Injuries be damned. Broke your leg? Put some Robitussin on it and get back out on the f*cking field.

[SIZE="1"](sarcasm abound)[/SIZE]

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[quote=Mattyk;945998]Nonsense.

Ever have turf toe? Or any sort of significant foot injury?

The guys you list were far from being "injury free".[/quote]

Never had turf toe but I have had a bad left foot since I was very young. Ankle and foot problems plagued me back then and I still managed to be a starting safety at Theodore Roosevelt High School in D.C. in 1990 and 1991. I never bitched about how hurt I was. The pain became second nature and I limped through it until it healed somewhat. Today at 40 the same foot bothers me some(not as much as back then).

I still question Roy Helu's toughness.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;946043]Never had turf toe but I have had a bad left foot since I was very young. Ankle and foot problems plagued me back then and I still managed to be a starting safety at Theodore Roosevelt High School in D.C. in 1990 and 1991. I never bitched about how hurt I was. The pain became second nature and I limped through it until it healed somewhat. Today at 40 the same foot bothers me some(not as much as back then).

I still question Roy Helu's toughness.[/quote]

Have you considered maybe the cause of your having a bad foot now is because you never let it heal properly and you played on it? I sprained my wrist, to the point where I couldn't rotate it, didn't go to the hospital till about 2 days in, gave me a brace which I only wore on and off, and still continued to work (manual labor) and although my wrist has healed it causes me pain sometimes and it's not as strong as it was before I sprained it (Well there goes my waitressing dreams).

It doesn't make sense to say, "oh well, I have an injury, F it!" I can understand if its something that's not debilitating or something that you can play on and still have it heal or protect it somehow.

Its not a matter of toughness its a matter of health. I'd rather be a healthy wimp than a tough fool.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;946001](1) You realize the size, strength and speed of current players is beyond anything with which the "classic gridiron" guys dealt? (The Hogs were the heaviest O-line of their day. Today, they would be the smallest, by far, in the league).

(2) "Sissies"? That is just plain ignorant, moronic, obtuse - take your pick of adjectives describing someone who holds an opinion completely lacking in anything but apocryphal data for support. I am 50 year old guy - "back-in-the-day" I saw some players play with pain and some who refused. Your "opinion" is simply a personal bias lacking any factual data. Further, your rose-colored "back in my day" attitude denigrates the serious risks these guys put themself in week in and week out.

I stand by [I]that[/I] opinion.

P.S.: John Riggins missed much of the 74 season due to an shoulder injury and the 77 season due to a sknee injury -- and then of course there's that contract thing in '80. Just saying...

P.P.S.: Being an old-timer, I am sure you remember Jim Brown calling Franco Harris a softie b/c he ran out of bounds to avoid contact and [I]of course[/I] you recall that Harris didn't deny it but asserted he was just playing smart ...[/quote]

The strength and the speed of the pro game has undoubtedly increased in the last two or three decades. Players have been delivering punishing, murderous hits to offensive players as far back as the 1960s. Jack Tatum, Dick Butkus, Ray Nitschke, were all fearsome hitters.

While the size and strength as well as speed of the players have increased, the impact of the hits is still the same. Of course players back then missed time, but in today's NFL, if a player is injured it's a given that he's going to miss some time. Back in 1981, Kellen Winslow Sr. played hurt for four quarters in a playoff game against the Miami Dolphins that the Chargers ultimately won. I haven't seen a player play injured with that degree or level of tenacity in the last 30 years. As recent as 2004, Terrell Owens played in the Super Bowl with a severely bum ankle that a lot of players today would miss the biggest game in football for because they can't suck it up and play.

Roy Helu Jr. is soft. He's a cream puff and you can't convince me otherwise.

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Wasn't there a player recently who played an entire game with a broken bone in his arm ... as a long snapper ... who continued to snap and cover punts throughout the game ... didn't he play for a team we are all familiar with .... hmmmmm

What softies these modern players are.

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[quote=RGIII;945961]This has to be the most injured (injury-prone) team in the league. I don't recall it ever being this bad before.[/quote]

the Giants situation is pretty messed up this year; arguably worse off than ours.

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Normally I don't think signing Grant would make a difference. But Shanahan has a way to get something out of backs that others think of as castaways. Plus Grant has experience running in zone blocking schemes like Mikey uses. Right now I think this could go either way so I'll wait and see how he does before I cast any thoughts.

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I think Grant could be a nice fit and a solid contributor if he's healthy and good to go.

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;946051]Normally I don't think signing Grant would make a difference. But Shanahan has a way to get something out of backs that others think of as castaways. Plus Grant has experience running in zone blocking schemes like Mikey uses. Right now I think this could go either way so I'll wait and see how he does before I cast any thoughts.[/quote]

I agree with you and great song in the sig. Got that one on the ole' Ipod

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[quote=JoeRedskin;946047]Wasn't there a player recently who played an entire game with a broken bone in his arm ... as a long snapper ... who continued to snap and cover punts throughout the game ... didn't he play for a team we are all familiar with .... hmmmmm

[B]What softies these modern players are[/B].[/quote]
I know....right?
Look at Joey T...took a shot from LT...busted his fib...femur thing. Shit fire, he played another 3 qtrs....oh wait, that ended his career.
.......never mind.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;946045]The strength and the speed of the pro game has undoubtedly increased in the last two or three decades. Players have been delivering punishing, murderous hits to offensive players as far back as the 1960s. Jack Tatum, Dick Butkus, Ray Nitschke, were all fearsome hitters.

While the size and strength as well as speed of the players have increased, the impact of the hits is still the same. Of course players back then missed time, but in today's NFL, if a player is injured it's a given that he's going to miss some time. Back in 1981, Kellen Winslow Sr. played hurt for four quarters in a playoff game against the Miami Dolphins that the Chargers ultimately won. I haven't seen a player play injured with that degree or level of tenacity in the last 30 years. As recent as 2004, Terrell Owens played in the Super Bowl with a severely bum ankle that a lot of players today would miss the biggest game in football for because they can't suck it up and play.

[B]Roy Helu Jr. is soft. He's a cream puff and you can't convince me otherwise[/B].[/quote]


Its his second year, lets hold off on that just yet. Guy rushed for 640 yards and caught another 370 in reception yards his rookie year. Every play he is in there giving it 110%. Thats just a little much, cream puff?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;946047]Wasn't there a player recently who played an entire game with a broken bone in his arm ... as a long snapper ... who continued to snap and cover punts throughout the game ... didn't he play for a team we are all familiar with .... hmmmmm

What softies these modern players are.[/quote]

That dude is a sissy! You're not tough unless you've got two broken arms, dammit!

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[quote=Mattyk;946053]I think Grant could be a nice fit and a solid contributor if he's healthy and good to go.[/quote]

I think he's averaged sbout 4.3 to 4.6 yards per carry for his career. He's got good size and is a good blocker. I think he's gonna turn out to be a nice pickup for us.

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[quote=Lotus;946076]That dude is a sissy! Get back to me when you've got two broken arms, dammit![/quote]

2 broken arms and 2 broken legs. No pain, no gain.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;946045]The strength and the speed of the pro game has undoubtedly increased in the last two or three decades. Players have been delivering punishing, murderous hits to offensive players as far back as the 1960s. Jack Tatum, Dick Butkus, Ray Nitschke, were all fearsome hitters.

While the size and strength as well as speed of the players have increased, the impact of the hits is still the same. Of course players back then missed time, but in today's NFL, if a player is injured it's a given that he's going to miss some time. Back in 1981, Kellen Winslow Sr. played hurt for four quarters in a playoff game against the Miami Dolphins that the Chargers ultimately won. I haven't seen a player play injured with that degree or level of tenacity in the last 30 years. As recent as 2004, Terrell Owens played in the Super Bowl with a severely bum ankle that a lot of players today would miss the biggest game in football for because they can't suck it up and play.

Roy Helu Jr. is soft. He's a cream puff and you can't convince me otherwise.[/quote]

How can you say the impact of the hit is the same if the hit is coming from a stronger, faster, bigger player (as you yourself agree they are today)? - that makes no sense. Helu has a body which unfortunatley doesnt cooperate with him. Its a shame. Some guys are injury prone - i dont think that makes them cream puffs.

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[quote=RGIII;945961]This has to be the most injured (injury-prone) team in the league. I don't recall it ever being this bad before.[/quote]

Wonder if that's true -- injuries are all over the league, and I'd expect us to be no different in numbers of injuries than other teams. Anyone have stats on the injuries to our team (starters) vs. other teams in the league over the past few years?

And if we do get more injuries, here are a couple of questions to ponder:
1) Is our training staff to blame?
2) Is our scouting dept to blame for drafting / obtaining injury-prone players?
3) Is our scheme to blame for using strategies that lead to injuries? Chop-blocks, option plays, blitzes, etc.
4) Do we have a generous injury clause here in contracts that promotes risky behaviors?
5) etc

[QUOTE=The Goat;945936]Here's a Helu question: could the achilles injuries led to turf toe? I'm thinking about how athletes will compensate for an injury in their step or stride, which can lead to other injuries.

My curiousity is because it seems strange and pretty worrisome Helu got turf toe w/o a lot of miles, like how injury prone is he?[/QUOTE]

These injuries are not related (in my medical opinion). However, you are correct that certain injuries can lead to other injuries through a compensatory mechanism.

Turf toe is not an easy thing to treat and I seem to recall that Helu battled this toward the end of last season. If its the same foot I wouldn't be surprised as these injuries can be chronic. It's especially debilitating for athletes who rely on a great deal of acceleration in the position they play. Helu's game is built on his straight line speed so these injuries obviously greatly impact his ability.

I've actually been in a walking boot for the past several weeks with a similar but different toe injury that has been an issue for months. Its frustrating to deal with even as a non-athlete.

Nonetheless, my wife thinks I'm being a sissy...

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[quote=punch it in;946084]How can you say the impact of the hit is the same if the hit is coming from a stronger, faster, bigger player (as you yourself agree they are today)? - that makes no sense. Helu has a body which unfortunatley doesnt cooperate with him. Its a shame. Some guys are injury prone - i dont think that makes them cream puffs.[/quote]

Have you seen films of Dick Butkus hit players? Butkus played at 6'3 245, and was a very powerful hitter. Regardless if the year is 1968 or if the year is 2012, a 245 pound man is a 245 pound man. If Butkus played in today's NFL, his hits would carry the same weight as it did in the time that he played. Jack Tatum was 5'10 200 pounds and without a doubt THE MOST ferocious hitter in NFL history. He once paralyzed a man from the waist down on the gridiron(Darryl Stingley).

The pro game has always been violent. Although the players today are stronger and faster, there were those players way back when who undoubtedly could play with the same viciousness in today's NFL.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;946001](1) You realize the size, strength and speed of current players is beyond anything with which the "classic gridiron" guys dealt? (The Hogs were the heaviest O-line of their day. Today, they would be the smallest, by far, in the league).

(2) "Sissies"? That is just plain ignorant, moronic, obtuse - take your pick of adjectives describing someone who holds an opinion completely lacking in anything but apocryphal data for support. I am 50 year old guy - "back-in-the-day" I saw some players play with pain and some who refused. Your "opinion" is simply a personal bias lacking any factual data. Further, your rose-colored "back in my day" attitude denigrates the serious risks these guys put themself in week in and week out.

I stand by [I]that[/I] opinion.

P.S.: John Riggins missed much of the 74 season due to an shoulder injury and the 77 season due to a sknee injury -- and then of course there's that contract thing in '80. Just saying...

P.P.S.: Being an old-timer, I am sure you remember Jim Brown calling Franco Harris a softie b/c he ran out of bounds to avoid contact and [I]of course[/I] you recall that Harris didn't deny it but asserted he was just playing smart ...[/quote]

Joe, you got so excited with 'obtuse' and 'apocryphal', that you followed it up immediately with 'i am 50 year old guy'. you could have spared one of the a's in apocryphal and paid it forward to your next sentence.

That said, i agree.

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My favorite part is the quote about the guy that was on the side lines crying after a hit: 'i dont know who i am!' hahaha. Not fast, but hard hitting.

Butkus:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxR9qYSHt8U]Hall of Famer Dick Butkus Highlight Reel - YouTube[/ame]

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Except for a few tackles, most of the hits in that highlight reel show Butkus wrapping up a player and bringing him down. I wish that current defensive players would take away that from Butkus.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;946173]Have you seen films of Dick Butkus hit players? Butkus played at 6'3 245, and was a very powerful hitter. Regardless if the year is 1968 or if the year is 2012, a 245 pound man is a 245 pound man. If Butkus played in today's NFL, his hits would carry the same weight as it did in the time that he played. Jack Tatum was 5'10 200 pounds and without a doubt THE MOST ferocious hitter in NFL history. He once paralyzed a man from the waist down on the gridiron(Darryl Stingley).

The pro game has always been violent. Although the players today are stronger and faster, there were those players way back when who undoubtedly could play with the same viciousness in today's NFL.[/quote]

Yup Butkus was vicious.
Ray Lewis is a sissy.

If your point is the game has always been violent. I agree - it's one of the reasons I like it.

If your point is that yesterday's players were tougher than today's player. I disagree and believe your suffering from "old man back in the day syndrome". When comparing pre-mega NFL to today's Super-Powered-Entertainment-Driven-Mega NFL, there are lots more things going into these decisions. In part, there is a heightened awareness of how you can be crippled for life after playing the game for 10 years. Does this result in more caution by player? yes. Does having this foresight mean the player lacks toughness? No. I would suggest they are independent of each other. Also, 20 years ago (pre-CBA, Mega-NFL) players were cheap and disposable. Now, not so much. Often times the players aren't the ones making the decision, owners and coaches have too much invested in these guys to let them risk playing with injury. [Show me any comment by Helu indicating he is happy to be going to IR - bet you can't].

If your point is that Helu is a sissy/cream puff. I disagree and say the jury is still out. He apparently had a serious achilles injury over the summer and tried battling through it. Playing at this level, however, requires a performance level slightly higher than that required of safety on a high school football team ... oops, excuse me a [I]starting[/I] safety. An injury that slows Helu down a step or two makes him a pedestrian back at best. [ BTW - I too had a foot injury and, while I could do all sorts of mundane workaday sh** and play some back yard football, if I needed speed or quickness, it simply wasn't happening. It wasn't the pain, it was just the foot didn't work right].

Ultimately, just like their have always been vicious hitters, there have always been "tough" guys. Look at Lewis, while I don't particularly like the guy, no doubt he is one of the toughest meanest SOB's in sports. Toughness? Let's talk London Fletcher. Sorry, you got your "back when I was a kid" glasses on which carefully ignore the hundreds of Helu type guys from the 50's-80's b/c they didn't stand out.

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If you can't run you can't play.

There are some injuries you can't simply tough out and play through.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;946225]
If your point is that yesterday's players were tougher than today's player. I disagree and believe your suffering from "old man back in the day syndrome".

[/quote]

Hahahaha.
My Dad has this.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;946173]Have you seen films of Dick Butkus hit players? Butkus played at 6'3 245, and was a very powerful hitter. Regardless if the year is 1968 or if the year is 2012, a 245 pound man is a 245 pound man. If Butkus played in today's NFL, his hits would carry the same weight as it did in the time that he played. Jack Tatum was 5'10 200 pounds and without a doubt THE MOST ferocious hitter in NFL history. He once paralyzed a man from the waist down on the gridiron(Darryl Stingley).

The pro game has always been violent. Although the players today are stronger and faster, there were those players way back when who undoubtedly could play with the same viciousness in today's NFL.[/quote]

I may be 41 years old, but I have seen footage of all these guys. Listen I dont want to get hit by Butkus or Ray Lewis. Back than the nutritional science and sports science wasnt what it is today. Training facilities werent what they are today. alot of the guys back than probably had to work in the off season and couldnt train all year long like todays athletes. That being said on a pound for pound basis - yes - I fear the speed, power, and hits of todays NFL more than back than. I never said if Butkus was around today he wouldnt be just as good. But he isnt - if he was this would be a one sided argument.
Also, I dont think that paralyzing a guy makes you ferocious - Stingley was hit in the wrong place - he was unlucky.

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I seem to remember a guy named Sean Taylor being feared not so long ago. I seriously doubt Jack Tatum was any tougher than him.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;946081]2 broken arms and 2 broken legs. No pain, no gain.[/quote]

What do you mean, he can't play with an amputated foot!?!!?!?!?! GRIND THE BONE DAMMIT!

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[quote=DynamiteRave;946035]If he's still breathing he better be out on the field! Injuries be damned. Broke your leg?[B] Put some Robitussin on it [/B]and get back out on the f*cking field.

[SIZE="1"](sarcasm abound)[/SIZE][/quote]



LMAO. :laughing2

[QUOTE=53Fan;946373]I seem to remember a guy named Sean Taylor being feared not so long ago. I seriously doubt Jack Tatum was any tougher than him.[/QUOTE]
Well according to some people sean taylor never paralyzed anyone so he wasnt tough. Lol