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[quote=Chico23231;974799]I agree for compassion with anybody in that situation. But I hope he goes to jail for a long time. 2nd DUI? He clearly isnt perfect, or smart for that matter.[/quote]


According to this site, the range of punishment is 2-20 years, although probation is an option as long as the the convict serves 120 days in jail.

[url=http://www.dfwdwi.com/intoxication-manslaughter/]Intoxication Manslaughter in Texas, Jail Time, Fine, and Punishment[/url]

This Brents 2nd offense, and a judge could choose to make an example out of him. However, i would imagine his contrition, the fact that the victim was his best friend, and victims family seems to have forgiven him could make a judge more likely to show some leniency.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974851]According to this site, the range of punishment is 2-20 years, although probation is an option as long as the the convict serves 120 days in jail.

[url=http://www.dfwdwi.com/intoxication-manslaughter/]Intoxication Manslaughter in Texas, Jail Time, Fine, and Punishment[/url]

This Brents 2nd offense, and a judge could choose to make an example out of him. However, i would imagine his contrition, the fact that the victim was his best friend, and victims family seems to have forgiven him could make a judge more likely to show some leniency.[/quote]

lets hope so, he deserves a 3rd shot. After all we are not perfect, we all make these type of mistakes. Maybe next time its one of your family members or me, he gets a do over cause its his bestie. It makes sense.

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[quote=Mattyk;974768]It takes a big person to forgive or at least have some empathy in a situation like this, sadly most folks aren't up to the task.[/quote]

First off..Excellent post FRPLG.
I agree Matty. Having empathy for someone doesn't mean you condone what they've done. Some seem to take it that way. We've all made mistakes.....a lot of us were fortunate enough to not have the same consequences for our mistakes as others.

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[quote=Chico23231;974867]lets hope so, he deserves a 3rd shot. After all we are not perfect, we all make these type of mistakes. Maybe next time its one of your family members or me, he gets a do over cause its his bestie. It makes sense.[/quote]

So if someone commits a crime twice, they should be locked up forever? You do realize that murderers, rapists and pedophiles get out of prison in only a few years all the time. We should let more of them out so that we can keep people convicted of DWIs behind bars forever?

Based on limited available evidence, Brent is truly remorseful for his actions. I doubt he will ever drink and drive again. I mean, if you were driving drunk and killed your best friend in the whole world, probably watched him die, would [I]you[/I] drink and drive again?

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Regardless of whether RGIII or Cousins plays, we're going to find out alot about this team on Sunday. In years past, this would be a "trap game" where we played down to the level of the opponent. I shouldnt even say years past, becuase we played down to Carolina and lost to them. Good teams beat up the bad teams. Cleaveland and Philly arent horrible, but they arent good either. If we are a good team, we'll beat both of them fairly easily.

[QUOTE=hooskins;974776]I also think there is this prevailing mentality that things are black and white. Right and wrong. Things cant be in the middle. Why can't he be wrong for his actions but someone we can have empathy for?

In the world of quick news flashes, opinionated discourse and negativity, constructive discourse is lost. I think we see a reflection of that, at times, here.[/QUOTE]

Totallt agree with this. Happens all the time. There are always varying degrees to everything. Your either good or bad, your either a hater or an apologist. Too black and white.

[QUOTE=redskins5044;974815]He probably won't due much jail time, will more than likely plea to lesser charge. He can afford a good lawyer who can plea it down. His real punishment is going to living with killing his friend, because of something so stupid by not calling a cab.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree with the real punishment thing, but if the judge wants to make an example its going to be with a dude who has done it twice.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;974898]Regardless of whether RGIII or Cousins plays, we're going to find out alot about this team on Sunday. In years past, this would be a "trap game" where we played down to the level of the opponent. I shouldnt even say years past, becuase we played down to Carolina and lost to them. Good teams beat up the bad teams. Cleaveland and Philly arent horrible, but they arent good either. If we are a good team, we'll beat both of them fairly easily.[/QUOTE]

Wrong thread lol?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974895]So if someone commits a crime twice, [B]they should be locked up forever[/B]? [B]You do realize that murderers, rapists and pedophiles get out of prison in only a few years all the time[/B]. [B]We should let more of them out so that we can keep people convicted of DWIs behind bars forever[/B]?

[B]Based on limited available evidence[/B], [B]Brent is truly remorseful for his actions. I doubt he will ever drink and drive again[/B]. I mean, if you were driving drunk and killed your best friend in the whole world, probably watched him die, would [I]you[/I] drink and drive again?[/quote]

Everything i highlighted is bullsh*t. ive never read more bs in my life. Please just continue.

Ive worked in the court system for about 4 years. I have family members working with CAs.

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[quote=Chico23231;974908]Everything i highlighted is bullsh*t. ive never read more bs in my life. Please just continue.

Ive worked in the court system for about 4 years. I have family members working with CAs.[/quote]

My friend, a former police officer, just did a 5 year stint for Drunk driving - forget the exact charge. He did not kill anyone but there were people that got hurt. I was under the impression that in alot of states - drug possession and dui carried as much time as did rape or certain degrees of pedophilia?

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He's got a drinking problem. I wouldn't throw the book at him but he absolutely needs to be REQUIRED to be in rehab.

Re: Cowboys DT charged with Intoxicated Manslaughter
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974898]Regardless of whether RGIII or Cousins plays, we're going to find out alot about this team on Sunday. In years past, this would be a "trap game" where we played down to the level of the opponent. I shouldnt even say years past, becuase we played down to Carolina and lost to them. Good teams beat up the bad teams. Cleaveland and Philly arent horrible, but they arent good either. If we are a good team, we'll beat both of them fairly easily.[/quote]

And then we can all have a few more drinks without driving.

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[quote=Chico23231;974867]lets hope so, he deserves a 3rd shot. After all we are not perfect, we all make these type of mistakes. Maybe next time its one of your family members or me, he gets a do over cause its his bestie. It makes sense.[/quote]

I don't have a problem with them throwing the book at him for his third DUI I have a problem with them charging him with killing Brown. He got in the car on his own knowing Brent had been drinking and was drunk. That's what I have a problem with.

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[quote=firstdown;974924]I don't have a problem with them throwing the book at him for his third DUI I have a problem with them charging him with killing Brown. He got in the car on his own knowing Brent had been drinking and was drunk. That's what I have a problem with.[/quote]

Its involuntary manslaughter, not murder. So that's a lesser charge. Someone died, there has to be a charge for that. You can't pick and choose what to charge someone for.

Everyone knows the risks of getting into a car with a drunk driver. Brown paid the ultimate price for his decision. Brent needs to pay his.

Btw, that doesn't mean lock him up forever, or maybe not even locking him up at all, but someone died that night, there has to be some sort of punishment for that. Plenty of people die accidentally everyday. This case is no different.

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[quote=Chico23231;974908]Everything i highlighted is bullsh*t. ive never read more bs in my life. Please just continue.

Ive worked in the court system for about 4 years. I have family members working with CAs.[/quote]

Every word in your post was bs, which is why i posted that. I think you realize i was being sarcastic and pointing out the sheer stupidity of your assertion that someone who commits intoxicated manslaughter should be in prision for life.

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[quote=hooskins;974904]Wrong thread lol?[/quote]

yup, sorry about that.

[url]http://aol.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2012-10-23/athletes-dui-2012-driving-under-influence-carlton-fisk-michael-turner/slide/18[/url]

A lot of athletes have drinking problems, and it is a major issue in the NFL. I will almost guarantee that soon in the NFL if a player is arrested for DUI there will be suspensions.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974929]Every word in your post was bs, which is why i posted that. I think you realize i was being sarcastic and pointing out the sheer stupidity of your assertion that someone who commits intoxicated manslaughter should be in prision for life.[/quote]

sorry for going lil bill oreily, i had a stupid moment.

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[quote=Chico23231;974936]sorry for going lil bill oreily, i had a stupid moment.[/quote]

Don't we all? :)

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[quote=redskins5044;974934][url=http://aol.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2012-10-23/athletes-dui-2012-driving-under-influence-carlton-fisk-michael-turner/slide/18]Athletes who have received DUI charges - Sporting News[/url]

A lot of athletes have drinking problems, and it is a major issue in the NFL. I will almost guarantee that soon in the NFL if a player is arrested for DUI there will be suspensions.[/quote]

For the most part they are college age and a little older with a lot of money. I would not expect any less out of them. Hell, college kids don't have any money and they drink all the time. As they get older like most kids they will grow out of it.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;974927]Its involuntary manslaughter, not murder. So that's a lesser charge. Someone died, there has to be a charge for that. You can't pick and choose what to charge someone for.

Everyone knows the risks of getting into a car with a drunk driver. Brown paid the ultimate price for his decision. Brent needs to pay his.

Btw, that doesn't mean lock him up forever, or maybe not even locking him up at all, but someone died that night, there has to be some sort of punishment for that. Plenty of people die accidentally everyday. This case is no different.[/quote]

Right. Brown willingly getting in the car doesn't absolve Brent of his guilt. Perhaps it mitigates it in some hard to define social way but Brent still did something wrong that got his friend killed.

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[quote=Chico23231;974936]sorry for going lil bill oreily, i had a stupid moment.[/quote]

no problem. Most of us have family or friends who's lives have been negatively affected (or ended) due to a drunk driver. its a sensitive issue.

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[quote=FRPLG;974972]Right. Brown willingly getting in the car doesn't absolve Brent of his guilt. Perhaps it mitigates it in some hard to define social way but Brent still did something wrong that got his friend killed.[/quote]

and his friend did something that got himself killed.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report-josh-brent-blood-alcohol-level-more-twice-174153135--nfl.html]Report: Josh Brent’s blood alcohol level more than twice the legal limit | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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At his size and weight, that would take a ton of alcohol...about 20 shots.

I ran him through a BA calculator...if he drank over 4 hours...20 shots to get a 0.18, then he tried to drive.

[IMG]http://oi45.tinypic.com/2mrt8c2.jpg[/IMG]

Can we shut this thread down? Its depressing.

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;975166]At his size and weight, that would take a ton of alcohol...about 20 shots.

I ran him through a BA calculator...if he drank over 4 hours...20 shots to get a 0.18, then he tried to drive.

[IMG]http://oi45.tinypic.com/2mrt8c2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

BAC is based on other factors besides just height and weight. Those estimators are just guidelines.

And I agree with punch here. This thread has run its course.