I must have really hopped on the shanaplan pretty hard because i am convinced we win it all within three years. If we get in now on a seven game roll than look out.

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[quote=Mattyk;976921][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/12/17/are-you-now-convinced-the-redskins-are-a-complete-team/]Are you now convinced the Redskins are a complete team?[/url]

^ After reading this I thought it might make for some interesting discussion here.

Funny how just 5 weeks ago we were discussing blowing the whole thing up... Now where do you stand?[/quote]

Loving it now, wanted to choke the hell out of him after the Carolina game, just thought/looked we were getting worse. Enjoy eating crow now though.

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[quote=punch it in;977585]Yes RG-3 has rubbed off his win ing attitude on this team which is usually so beyond the realm of what a rookie is capable of. Truly amazing. Great point. [B]You should post more often[/B]! Btw enjoy the next two years cus its all downhill from there! Lol![/quote]
YES....you should

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It was just a matter of time. You could see signs of it working last year even though the Redskins struggled scoring points. We lost a lot of close games last year as well as this year. But the team has come together. Finally. The Redskins are playing like a playoff team. We still need to add some more pieces in the offseason. But Mike Shanahan could become the first NFL head coach to win Super Bowls head coaching two different NFL teams. Bill Parcells has come the closest in that regard.

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[quote=SmootSmack;977365]If I told you guys that talks are in advanced stages to keep Mike and Kyle around through 2015 (which is also the length of RG3's rookie deal)...would that affect your answer[/quote]

Doesn't mikes 5 year deal already take him through the 2014-2015 season? So were offering him a 1 year extension?

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Just wanted to point out that I said be patient and give him his 5 years like he said it would take. One day, this board will take everything I say seriously :) Since im barely ever wrong.

HTTR

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Maybe. Or maybe I'm saying what if all three were here through 2015? One or two may be locked in longer

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[quote=Bucket;977657]Just wanted to point out that I said be patient and give him his 5 years like he said it would take. One day, this board will take everything I say seriously :) Since im barely ever wrong.

HTTR[/quote]

He is starting to deliver after 2.875. Technically he still has two seasons left after this one.

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[quote=12thMan;977374][I][B]has the franchise turned the corner? [/B][/I]And the answer to that is emphatically, yes. [/quote]

I just read 6 pages of comments....I believe this is the biggest point.
You don't win 5 in a row with your back against the wall unless your team believes in the coach and themselves....this happened back under Gibbs when Sean Taylor died to reach the playoffs with a very average team.

The Redskins have turned the corner and are unlikely to become a laughing stock under current management....and that is a huge sigh of relief....

On another note, to me the Skins already won the Superbowl on Thanksgiving against the Cowboys....everything else is gravy....keep the guys healthy for a more serious run once we get a secondary and a pass rush....and teach RG3 to learn to throw a ball away in the pocket for heaven's sake during the offseason!

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[quote=skinsnut;977666]I just read 6 pages of comments....I believe this is the biggest point.
You don't win 5 in a row with your back against the wall unless your team believes in the coach and themselves....this happened back under Gibbs when Sean Taylor died to reach the playoffs with a very average team.

The Redskins have turned the corner and are unlikely to become a laughing stock under current management....and that is a huge sigh of relief....

On another note, to me the Skins already won the Superbowl on Thanksgiving against the Cowboys....everything else is gravy....keep the guys healthy for a more serious run once we [B]get a secondary and a pass rush....and teach RG3 to learn to throw a ball away in the pocket for heaven's sake during the offseason![/B][/quote]
Sound....wisdom

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SS ..... We are trying to extend the guys?

Love the move, one of my biggest fears is losing Kyle. I believe that Kyle and RG III are going to do great things and are just scratching the surface of what they can design for our guys.

Always been a big supporter of the MS plan, knew it would take time and backed the initial moves he made to try and go for the quick turn around. We all know they sucked now. Check my posts. I have to say though I was beginning to wonder in week 9.

The things I saw that were obviously wrong with the team early they have fixed.
Winning being the biggest. Has a huge effect on the way the guys are playing. They are balling right now. Offense, Defense, and Special Teams. We have some holes but we can fix them.

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Shanaplan is working fine, Nice to have a decent GM...hit homeruns this year on rookies which is extraordinarily rare to have the top rookie in arguably 3 spots, QB, RB, kicker....and who thought we'd have a great kicker even in wk 2?...crazy lucky.

The real question is this...if this potentially good team wants to become a SB contender, their greatest weakness must improve...which is DEFENSE....so how much of this is talent and how much of this is a Defensive Coach who consistently puts together 20th ranked defenses. Without this outrageous coming out party of RG3, Haslett should have been a goner...to be sure, defense has played better the last few games....but I think that is unquestionably iffy at best and any team could unload a can of whoop** on our defense...it is a joke having a team ranked above 20th in any category that is trying to win a SB...I know, I know it can be done....for a year....but not if you want to build a powerhouse....

Also...the best time to attract a premium Defensive Coordinator is on the rise...The timing is right, I would SERIOUSLY consider whether changing our Defensive Coach could take a playoff contender to a SB contender within 2-3 yrs.

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[quote=skinsnut;977677]Shanaplan is working fine, Nice to have a decent GM...hit homeruns this year on rookies which is extraordinarily rare to have the top rookie in arguably 3 spots, QB, RB, kicker....and who thought we'd have a great kicker even in wk 2?...crazy lucky.

The real question is this...if this potentially good team wants to become a SB contender, their greatest weakness must improve...which is DEFENSE....so how much of this is talent and how much of this is a Defensive Coach who consistently puts together 20th ranked defenses. Without this outrageous coming out party of RG3, Haslett should have been a goner...to be sure, defense has played better the last few games....but I think that is unquestionably iffy at best and any team could unload a can of whoop** on our defense...it is a joke having a team ranked above 20th in any category that is trying to win a SB...I know, I know it can be done....for a year....but not if you want to build a powerhouse....

Also...the best time to attract a premium Defensive Coordinator is on the rise...The timing is right, I would SERIOUSLY consider whether changing our Defensive Coach could take a playoff contender to a SB contender within 2-3 yrs.[/quote]

I wonder how Haslett would do with better talent in the secondary and having a healthy Orakpo and Carriker back on the roster.

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[quote=SmootSmack;977658]Maybe. Or maybe I'm saying what if all three were here through 2015? One or two may be locked in longer[/quote]

I truely hope Kyle is in the succession plan as future skins head coach

[url]http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000113501/kyle-shanahan-on-coaching-fast-track-with-redskins-malleability/[/url]

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;977658]Maybe. Or maybe I'm saying what if all three were here through 2015? One or two may be locked in longer[/QUOTE]

Any of them would be foolish to walk away anytime before this team gets its full compliment of draftpicks and capspace back. Do you smell what the Rock is cookin!?!

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[quote=Mattyk;977682][url=http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000113501/kyle-shanahan-on-coaching-fast-track-with-redskins-malleability/]Kyle Shanahan on coaching fast track with Redskins' malleability | News | NFL.com[/url][/quote]


Kyle a innovator? Pfft....dude is just holding this offense back.

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[quote=NC_Skins;977686]Kyle a innovator? Pfft....[B]dude is just holding this offense back[/B].[/quote]
..........word

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[quote=SmootSmack;977658]Maybe. Or maybe I'm saying what if all three were here through 2015? One or two may be locked in longer[/quote]

I'll take a Kyle shanahan-rg3 combo as long as I can get. I would be stoked if we extended Kyle. I'd trade the playoffs this year for locking up Kyle throughout rg3s career in a heartbeat.

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[quote=punch it in;977685]Any of them would be foolish to walk away anytime before this team gets its full compliment of draftpicks and capspace back. Do you smell what the Rock is cookin!?![/quote]

Sniffffffff.....Ahhhhhhhh, yea, I can smell it...

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Nope

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On a related topic, when is Hasletts contract up? Given the lack of talent he's had to work with, i think he's done an exceptional job with the defense this season. he's due for an extension.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;977942]On a related topic, when is Hasletts contract up? Given the lack of talent he's had to work with, i think he's done an exceptional job with the defense this season. he's due for an extension.[/quote]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/20/redskins-gave-jim-haslett-a-contract-extension/]Redskins gave Jim Haslett a contract extension | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Coach Haz was given an extension back in September. It is believed to run through the 2013 season. He was obviously in the last year of his contract before the 2012 season began.

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From my understanding 2013 is not a guaranteed contract year for Haz

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;977943][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/20/redskins-gave-jim-haslett-a-contract-extension/]Redskins gave Jim Haslett a contract extension | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Coach Haz was given an extension back in September. It is believed to run through the 2013 season. He was obviously in the last year of his contract before the 2012 season began.[/quote]

I cant beleive i forgot all about the "Raheem Morris taking over playcalling duties" drama. Winning will do that do ya.

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There needs to be a 3rd option in the poll beside yes or no,like not quite yet.
If the Shanaplan was to suck so bad that would end up with RG3 then it was a great plan.Yes were on a nice winning streak but im not getting carried away.Im not quite ready to forget the Mcnabb fiasco and the way the whole thing was handled.The whole Haynesworth thing,switching to the 3-4 made no sense and pissed off your 100 million dollar player,those are 2 major f ckups im not ready to forget just because weve won a few games in a row.
The other little things that plagued Mike since he's been here like clock management and on field descisions like when to throw flag for instant replay,have improved slightly during win streak but not by much.
Theres been a few things ive had problems with but we won the games so they were rendered mute.
Then theres the leading the league in penalties,is that on the coach?
Im happy with the progress weve made and I think Mike and Kyle have improved over the winning streak but Im not ready to click on yes or no just yet

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[quote=htownskinfan;978017]There needs to be a 3rd option in the poll beside yes or no,like not quite yet.
If the Shanaplan was to suck so bad that would end up with RG3 then it was a great plan.Yes were on a nice winning streak but im not getting carried away.Im not quite ready to forget the Mcnabb fiasco and the way the whole thing was handled.The whole Haynesworth thing,switching to the 3-4 made no sense and pissed off your 100 million dollar player,those are 2 major f ckups im not ready to forget just because weve won a few games in a row.
The other little things that plagued Mike since he's been here like clock management and on field descisions like when to throw flag for instant replay,have improved slightly during win streak but not by much.
Theres been a few things ive had problems with but we won the games so they were rendered mute.
Then theres the leading the league in penalties,is that on the coach?
Im happy with the progress weve made and I think Mike and Kyle have improved over the winning streak but Im not ready to click on yes or no just yet[/quote]

Let's not forget entering last year with John Beck/Rex Grossman as the starting QB. That one is going to take time to live down.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;978025]Let's not forget entering last year with John Beck/Rex Grossman as the starting QB. That one is going to take time to live down.[/quote]

As bad as that was, it allowed us to suck enough to get the high 1st and 2nd from last year along with the 2013 and 2014 #1's that allowed us to pull off the trade to get RGIII. Some bad things things happen for a good reason.

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[quote=htownskinfan;978017]There needs to be a 3rd option in the poll beside yes or no,like not quite yet.
If the Shanaplan was to suck so bad that would end up with RG3 then it was a great plan.Yes were on a nice winning streak but im not getting carried away.Im not quite ready to forget the Mcnabb fiasco and the way the whole thing was handled.The whole Haynesworth thing,switching to the 3-4 made no sense and pissed off your 100 million dollar player,those are 2 major f ckups im not ready to forget just because weve won a few games in a row.
The other little things that plagued Mike since he's been here like clock management and on field descisions like when to throw flag for instant replay,have improved slightly during win streak but not by much.
Theres been a few things ive had problems with but we won the games so they were rendered mute.
Then theres the leading the league in penalties,is that on the coach?
Im happy with the progress weve made and I think Mike and Kyle have improved over the winning streak but Im not ready to click on yes or no just yet[/quote]

Those negative things you point out were legitimate issues back then and Shanahan did f-up some those things himself. However if you look at the way the team is performing on the field now compared to the final year of Zorn or even the first year and half of Shanahan, the team has improved immensely. That is the most important thing that the team is playing well. Not those old past issues that we have since overcome. It was a journey we had to take to shed the losing ways and culture we had in DC. All that other shit is in the past. We have a fairly talented up and coming young team. That is Shanahan and Allen.

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[quote=Mattyk;976921][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/12/17/are-you-now-convinced-the-redskins-are-a-complete-team/]Are you now convinced the Redskins are a complete team?[/url]

^ After reading this I thought it might make for some interesting discussion here.

Funny how just 5 weeks ago we were discussing blowing the whole thing up... Now where do you stand?[/quote]

I would say that with the current 5 (4?) game win streak, it would be hard to say that things have not gotten better on the squad as a whole. Our defense still scares me, but I believe that Shanahan knows that at minimum, he needs one solid corner, one solid safety, and another solid tackle to say this team is a true to god contender. If we just had better safety play this year, I think we could be heading into week 16 with 10 or 11 wins. I am astonished at how the team has turned around, with the losing streak and the reports of him losing some key players confidence. That being said, it sure does feel good to have a team that is competitive week in and week out. I am changing my tune on how Shanahan is building up this team, and gladly. With RG3, Almo and our solid recievers, offense shouldn't be a problem for at least 6-7 years. Now, we just need one more solid corner and one more solid safety, and this team is looking at double digit wins and playoff runs year after year.

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A 5 game winning streak does not erase McNabb, Jamal Brown, John Beck, endless penalties, clock mgt issues, lack of hurry offense when needed, the 3-4. Let's see how this season ends and see how the off season goes. To be continued.

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[quote=NC_Skins;977686]Kyle a innovator? Pfft....dude is just holding this offense back.[/quote]

Overall Kyle has done a nice job but I still think he is too conservative with RG3. Last week was the most aggressive I've seen him call the game this year. Not as many wr screens and shorts passes.

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I hate John Beck the QB, think he's beyond awful. And manipulated everyone with his "I'm rounding up the players for lockout practices"

But...we make too big a deal out of his year here. We traded Doug Dutch...DOUG DUTCH!!!...for him. That's a mistake? But somehow, not drafting Blaine Gabbert high or Ponder or even Locker (who I would have taken) is overlooked.

Anyhow, carry on

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[quote=skinsfan69;978061]Overall Kyle has done a nice job but I still think he is too conservative with RG3. Last week was the most aggressive I've seen him call the game this year. Not as many wr screens and shorts passes.[/quote]

Wr screens and short passes are important because they keep our defense off the field. Long, slow, methodical scoring drives, with the occasional deep pass to keep defenses honest. That's how we win.

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[quote=skinsfan69;978061]Overall Kyle has done a nice job but I still think he is too conservative with RG3. Last week was the most aggressive I've seen him call the game this year. Not as many wr screens and shorts passes.[/quote]

Funny you say that, because I always thought that he always went for the deep throw on 3rd and short earlier in the season when we were terrible at converting 3rd downs. I must say it is nice to see our team making the big plays and I am glad that RG3 is connecting with his receivers on those deep throws. Although I wish I wouldn't have a heart attack anytime someone throws to Hank deep.

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[quote=SmootSmack;978074]I hate John Beck the QB, think he's beyond awful. And manipulated everyone with his "I'm rounding up the players for lockout practices"

But...we make too big a deal out of his year here. We traded Doug Dutch...DOUG DUTCH!!!...for him. That's a mistake? But somehow, not drafting Blaine Gabbert high or Ponder or even Locker (who I would have taken) is overlooked.

Anyhow, carry on[/quote]

so despite all the bad decisions Shanahan has made, and he has made some bad ones, we should give him credit for not making other bad decisions?

Nobody is perfect and expecting a Redskins head coach to be perfect is a fool's errand -- RG3 is fantastic (pulling the trigger on him took some real cajones),the tweaked offense is quite impressive and being in control of the NFC East division race with two weeks left has decimated my work productivity :).

That being said -- if we take a slight step backwards, we see the McNabb, Beck, Grossman fiasco among others as well as an overall record of 19-27.
So my honest answer is no, I haven't bought in but I'm close. Winning the East and 1 playoff win would go a long way.

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Not at all the point I'm making

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If those moves had worked out we wouldn't be here now with RG III and cousins. BTW no coach is perfect at evaluating talent or there wouldn't be a 50% fail rate with 1st round picks.

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So what is your point? If you note, I framed it as a question

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I mean John Beck was a minor, irrelevant move. If anything, just getting Beck rather than a full commitment to Gabbert (as an example) was the better move