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[quote=SmootSmack;1014938]Yeah they and the Broncos are gonna discipline them. How? I don't know[/quote]

Id say Thunderdome. 2 men enter, 1 man leaves. Goodell could effectively connect OTAs to the beginning of Camp coverage-wise, help get rid of the Hernandez story, and set up new [B]entertaining[/B] enforcement measures with their massive criminal workforce.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1014910]Says the guy whose team has their top 2 WRs holding out and skipping OTAs. Nicks still has a year left on his contract. He's pulling a DeSean at the moment.

[URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/5/23/4358562/hakeem-nicks-contract-otas-new-york-giants"]Hakeem Nicks contract: Is the Giants WR seeking a new deal? - SBNation.com[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/nicks-found-giants-workout-article-1.1351793"]Hakeem Nicks a surprise no-show at NY Giants workout - NY Daily News[/URL][/quote]



Nicks wasn't holding out, Cruz was .Nicks has at least 2 more seasons with NY ,if he can stay healthy.Ya know the Nicks who has been playing catch with Eli for the last 2weeks.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/11/patriots-alfonzo-dennard-arrested-on-suspicion-of-dui/]Patriots’ Alfonzo Dennard arrested on suspicion of DUI | ProFootballTalk[/url]

This is becoming the "Patriot Way". Kraft keeps getting duped. what a piece of shit organization

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/pat-kirwan/22709838/2013-nfl-training-camp-preview-examining-the-new-coordinators]2013 NFL training camp preview: Examining the new coordinators - CBSSports.com[/url]

Cleveland Browns

The previous staff did the right thing last year in playing as many rookies as possible. Rob Chudzinski now inherits a fairly talented young team.



Norv Turner's track record



Team

Offense Rank:
Pre-Turner

Offense Rank:
With Turner





28th (1990)

9th (1991)





26th (1993)

17th (1994)





28th (2000)

11th (2001)





21st (2001)

15th (2002)





25th (2003)

17th (2004)





30th (2005)

26th (2006)



Full Story: Browns should see offensive turnaround under Norv Turner


As solid as Chudzinski is on offense, it appears offensive coordinator Norv Turner will design and call the offense.There will be a solid run game employing all the blocking schemes with execution -- and not a lot of plays -- being the backbone of the package.

Trent Richardson will get 20-plus touches a game in this offense as long as he's healthy, but Turner will be looking for as many deep shots off the run as he can get. Wide receiver Josh Gordon could have a big year in this offense when he gets back from his suspension. Tight end Jordan Cameron is going to get a chance to catch a lot of passes.

Brandon Weeden saw a lot of his passes get blocked last season; Chudzinski and Turner are going to have to figure out how to reduce that number. Turner will use plenty of shotgun and fast passes to get Weeden in a rhythm. Weeden might be the luckiest young quarterback in the league, getting Norv Turner as his mentor.

On defense, Ray Horton takes control, and that means pressure 3-4. He has to simplify the defense and make it easier to understand if he wants solid execution early in the season. Some Cardinals players complained Horton's system was difficult to grasp when he coached at Arizona, but most of that falls on the players, not the coaches.

It will be interesting to see how Horton employs Paul Kruger, Jabaal Sheard and rookie Barkevious Mingo. I could see Horton developing a hybrid defense to get them all on the field by possibly using a two-man defensive line.

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[quote=Giantone;1014950]Nicks wasn't holding out, Cruz was .Nicks has at least 2 more seasons with NY ,if he can stay healthy.Ya know the Nicks who has been playing catch with Eli for the last 2weeks.[/quote]

According to the article, Nicks contract is completed at the end of this upcoming season.


[quote]Could the absence be contract-related? [B]Nicks’ rookie deal is set to expire after this season[/B], but the wideout had given no indication of a possible holdout. And, unlike Cruz, he attended Phase I of the Giants’ OTA workouts a few weeks ago.

Read more: [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/nicks-found-giants-workout-article-1.1351793#ixzz2Yk8JK0V4]Hakeem Nicks a surprise no-show at NY Giants workout - NY Daily News[/url]
[/quote]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1015072][URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/pat-kirwan/22709838/2013-nfl-training-camp-preview-examining-the-new-coordinators"]2013 NFL training camp preview: Examining the new coordinators - CBSSports.com[/URL]

Cleveland Browns

The previous staff did the right thing last year in playing as many rookies as possible. Rob Chudzinski now inherits a fairly talented young team.



Norv Turner's track record



Team

Offense Rank:
Pre-Turner

Offense Rank:
With Turner





28th (1990)

9th (1991)





26th (1993)

17th (1994)





28th (2000)

11th (2001)





21st (2001)

15th (2002)





25th (2003)

17th (2004)





30th (2005)

26th (2006)



Full Story: Browns should see offensive turnaround under Norv Turner


As solid as Chudzinski is on offense, it appears offensive coordinator Norv Turner will design and call the offense.There will be a solid run game employing all the blocking schemes with execution -- and not a lot of plays -- being the backbone of the package.

Trent Richardson will get 20-plus touches a game in this offense as long as he's healthy, but Turner will be looking for as many deep shots off the run as he can get. Wide receiver Josh Gordon could have a big year in this offense when he gets back from his suspension. Tight end Jordan Cameron is going to get a chance to catch a lot of passes.

Brandon Weeden saw a lot of his passes get blocked last season; Chudzinski and Turner are going to have to figure out how to reduce that number. Turner will use plenty of shotgun and fast passes to get Weeden in a rhythm. Weeden might be the luckiest young quarterback in the league, getting Norv Turner as his mentor.

On defense, Ray Horton takes control, and that means pressure 3-4. He has to simplify the defense and make it easier to understand if he wants solid execution early in the season. Some Cardinals players complained Horton's system was difficult to grasp when he coached at Arizona, but most of that falls on the players, not the coaches.

It will be interesting to see how Horton employs Paul Kruger, Jabaal Sheard and rookie Barkevious Mingo. I could see Horton developing a hybrid defense to get them all on the field by possibly using a two-man defensive line.[/quote]

Cleveland still has a huge question mark at QB. They should be solid on defense but I just don't see them scoring a lot of points.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1015074]According to the article, Nicks contract is completed at the end of this upcoming season.[/quote]


That's what I said , add in a one year franchise tag .Cruz will get a big chunk of his money in the first 2years so this make a contract in 2years with Nicks most likely, if he can stay healthy.

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[quote=Giantone;1015129]That's what I said , add in a one year franchise tag .Cruz will get a big chunk of his money in the first 2years so this make a contract in 2years with Nicks most likely, if he can stay healthy.[/quote]

If they weren't going to offer Nicks a contract, what makes you think they would pay the type of salary for a franchise tag WR?


Also, your team isn't going to have the cap space bro.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/52747/cruz-wont-be-giants-last-tough-cap-call]Cruz won't be Giants' last tough cap call - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1015160]If they weren't going to offer Nicks a contract, what makes you think they would pay the type of salary for a franchise tag WR?


Also, your team isn't going to have the cap space bro.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/52747/cruz-wont-be-giants-last-tough-cap-call"]Cruz won't be Giants' last tough cap call - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

LOL , The Giants will be fine . Thanks for the concern.

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[quote=Giantone;1015161]LOL , The Giants will be fine . Thanks for the concern.[/quote]

They'll be fine fighting the Iggles for last place in the NFC East. And to quote you: "LOL"

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People saying Eagles are going to turn it around year one now that Reid is gone are in for a very long season.

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1699966-the-rookies-what-nfl-rookie-is-colin-kaepernicks-dopleganger#ooid=90eHE3ZDpB0sLsJkUxfKfaveodm3Y-p4,4zeHE3ZDqtkMiBZvgmJOHfD5MrPBGF9j]The Rookies: What NFL Rookie Is Colin Kaepernick's Look-Alike? | Bleacher Report[/url]


Vaccaro really does look like Kaepernick.

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[quote=Chico23231;1015188]People saying Eagles are going to turn it around year one now that Reid is gone are in for a very long season.[/quote]

The Eagles are going to run the hurry up, which may mean a lot of really fast 3 and outs and their Defense being on the field for a LONG time.

The way the Redskins run the ball, I can see a time of possesion stat in that first game looking like this: Redskins 48:00 minutes, Eagles 12:00 minutes!

Free Hernandez

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22757441/mike-and-maurkice-pouncey-wore-free-hernandez-hats]Mike and Maurkice Pouncey wore 'Free Hernandez' hats - CBSSports.com[/url]

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Broncs resign Clady.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/broncos-sign-left-tackle-clady-014942853--nfl.html]Y! SPORTS[/url]

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217712/article/will-redskins-regret-pierre-garcons-foot-surgery-call]Will Redskins regret Pierre Garcon's foot surgery call? - NFL.com[/url]

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/york-jets-already-seem-intent-screwing-geno-smith-142949939.html]Y! SPORTS[/url]

JETS JETS JETS

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^^^ Big fat point and laugh at the Jets and their clown car coach.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1015547][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217712/article/will-redskins-regret-pierre-garcons-foot-surgery-call]Will Redskins regret Pierre Garcon's foot surgery call? - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Can't make a guy get surgery if he doesn't want it. Plus there are no guarantees it would solve the problem.

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Is it me or does it seem like most (espn-nfln) are susing the injury factor too much with the skins? Everytime there is a debate they always point out griffs injuries or RAK or PG... I cant wait to prove them all wrong.

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The injury angle is overstated, for sure, but it's a lot easier to point to specific injuries than to point out that the Redskins haven't put together back to back winning seasons in two decades.

Also, if we are healthy, I think we have a great chance of another winning season. But I am a bit skeptical of the quality of our training staff. They haven't produced great results in the last five years, and some outgoing players have popped off regarding their frustration.

But the big thing is: the great player on the Redskins who you expect to be even better next year is RG3, and he's rehabbing. There are other key players on the Redskins, but it's a veteran roster with a very young quarterback, and we put more on that quarterback's plate than a lot of QB's can handle, which means that there's always going to be some risk there.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1015589]The injury angle is overstated, for sure, but it's a lot easier to point to specific injuries than to point out that the Redskins haven't put together back to back winning seasons in two decades.

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??? Honest question, how can you say that when the injury in question is not his first of that nature .I understand he is recovering well but to say the injury angel is overstated doesn't make sense.

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[quote=Mattyk;1015586]Can't make a guy get surgery if he doesn't want it. Plus there are no guarantees it would solve the problem.[/quote]

I keep going back to my own foot surgery. I had a torn ligament in the foot (tiny tear - still made the foot swell like a grapefruit). I recognize I am not a premier athelete (or any type of athelete outside of couch athletics) but I had the surgery done by the same guy who does this work for the Ravens and other atheletes. He made it clear there is nothing guarranteed and that the longer you wait the less guarrantees you have.

My foot is better but it is in no way the same as it was before. The injury is just not the kind that is easily correctable.

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[quote=Giantone;1015592]??? Honest question, how can you say that when the injury in question is not his first of that nature .I understand he is recovering well but to say the injury angel is overstated doesn't make sense.[/quote]

The problem with the injury angle by most people is it isnt applied universally. Look at the reviews by Jaws. His number one complaint of RG3 was that the read option gets QB's killed and he wont last. When it came to Kaepernick and Wilson, the read option and their running ability was one of the reasons they should be elevated.

There is no guarantee of anything, including two ACL tears means its going to happen once a year for the rest of his career. Especially given that his injuries were more about him trying to do too much and could have been avoided. He will be smarter this year about hits in my opinion. If not, then it will be a constant concern for the rest of his career. Lots of athletes have had multiple injuries before only to go onto have successful careers. Plenty have had a single injury that they couldnt come back from.

Lets apply the injury angle across the board. Having back surgery can be difficult to come back from, especially for linemen. So is safe to say that JPP's career is over or that he will never be the same as he was early in his career? Or is that overstating things?

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[quote=GTripp0012;1015589]The injury angle is overstated, for sure, but it's a lot easier to point to specific injuries than to point out that the Redskins haven't put together back to back winning seasons in two decades.

Also, if we are healthy, I think we have a great chance of another winning season. But I am a bit skeptical of the quality of our training staff. They haven't produced great results in the last five years, and some outgoing players have popped off regarding their frustration.

But the big thing is: the great player on the Redskins who you expect to be even better next year is RG3, and he's rehabbing. There are other key players on the Redskins, but it's a veteran roster with a very young quarterback, and we put more on that quarterback's plate than a lot of QB's can handle, which means that there's always going to be some risk there.[/quote]
It's more than just a veteran roster, the coaching staff minus Danny Smith's replacement all have been there several years. The Skins are as stable a franchise as we have seen in a long time, and that fact will help us be a force this season. I am sure of that. Many of our backups did get solid time last year, so we aren't just a one deep team in very many spots, and that will help us overcome any upcoming injuries, and you know there will be injuries.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1015596]It's more than just a veteran roster, the coaching staff minus Danny Smith's replacement all have been there several years. The Skins are as stable a franchise as we have seen in a long time, and that fact will help us be a force this season. I am sure of that. Many of our backups did get solid time last year, so we aren't just a one deep team in very many spots, and that will help us overcome any upcoming injuries, and you know there will be injuries.[/quote]It's a roster that lacks a ton of weaknesses, but also a lot of strengths. We're 'well off' at most every position on the field, but exceptional at very few.

Last year we were exceptional at QB, RB, and the left side of the O line. Of those three, the position most likely to return to in 2013 is QB, but I can't say it's a sure thing. I think it's likely, but not certain.

A team that is exceptional at QB but average through out the rest of the roster can make a pretty nice run. And there will be some role players who chip in with excellent years. There will also be role players who need to be replaced due to lacking performance.

Any hopes of super bowl contention this year are on Robert Griffin to be exceptional. And he's a good guy to bet on. He just doesn't have a ton of help. It's a roster of role guys. I think he's going to get a stronger contribution from his defense this year, but he's the focal point of everything we do on offense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1015600]It's a roster that lacks a ton of weaknesses, but also a lot of strengths. We're 'well off' at most every position on the field, but exceptional at very few.

Last year we were exceptional at QB, RB, and the left side of the O line. Of those three, the position most likely to return to in 2013 is QB, but I can't say it's a sure thing. I think it's likely, but not certain.

A team that is exceptional at QB but average through out the rest of the roster can make a pretty nice run. And there will be some role players who chip in with excellent years. There will also be role players who need to be replaced due to lacking performance.

Any hopes of super bowl contention this year are on Robert Griffin to be exceptional. And he's a good guy to bet on. He just doesn't have a ton of help. It's a roster of role guys. I think he's going to get a stronger contribution from his defense this year, but he's the focal point of everything we do on offense.[/quote]

I agree and disagree at the same time. I do think there are role guys, but I think that is what Shanahan used to take Denver to the SB. More importantly though, I think it's a team of hard workers. I don't think there are any slackers or me-first guys (maybe DHall, but he seems to be changing), and everyone accepts that its a unified team effort. Everything is setting up pretty nicely, and I think several players who are "role guys" are going to shine, as the system and consistency allows the whole team to play in sync and at a faster speed. Griffin's abilities definitely take the team to a different notch, but with all the reps Capt Kirk has gotten with Griffin's injury, I have very little doubt that he would be able to step in and keep the team moving forward. In fact, he would be highly motivated since other teams would definitely be watching his tape.

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Winning Super Bowls is based more on depth than anything else in my opinion. Stars might win you games, but teams win championships. If you have an elite quarterback, which I believe the Redskins will have possibly as soon as next year, you will be in contention for every Super Bowl. All the other positions just always seem to play well enough once you have that Quarterback. You look at the Giants, the Packers, and even the Ravens when they won the Super Bowl, they had injuries at a lot of key positions, but they had a quarterback playing at an elite level which was the main reason they won their Super Bowls. So while the Redskins may not have "superstars", or that one elite player outside RG3, if RG3 can stay healthy... history has shown there will be no limit for this team.

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Under Cerrato, this organization did a really poor job of retaining its valuable players. We've done much better at that since Mike Shanahan took over. I think I've lobbed legitimate complaints that we let pro bowler x, y, and z walk, which could have been avoided, but we've also managed to retain key guys like London Fletcher, Will Montgomery, Kory Lichtensteiger, Darrel Young, Santana Moss, and Fred Davis.

Okay, maybe that's not that many. But the fewer holes you create, the easier it is to fill those holes with player acquisition. I liked that this past offseason, we were able to acquire new talent without having to replace the old talent. The trade off is that we're older, overall, but I think that's a fair deal in order to maintain continuity.

For example, we could have let Lichtensteiger walk, but determined that he was valuable to us in the context of the rest of the line. I liked the move to re-sign him.

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Chico, the Broncos have handed down the punishment on the execs who got busted for DUI. Matt Russell indefinitely suspended w/o pay. Tom Heckert one month w/o pay. Per the Denver Post

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[quote=SmootSmack;1015614]Chico, the Broncos have handed down the punishment on the execs who got busted for DUI. Matt Russell indefinitely suspended w/o pay. Tom Heckert one month w/o pay. Per the Denver Post[/quote]

Yeah I read that, good to know. You know I knew an oilman outta in Denver who said once said those Bronco's executives drank and drove too much.

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[quote=Skinzman;1015595]Lets apply the injury angle across the board. Having back surgery can be difficult to come back from, especially for linemen. So is safe to say that JPP's career is over or that he will never be the same as he was early in his career? Or is that overstating things?[/quote]Excellent point. A back injury is almost certainly more problematic long term than a knee injury.

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@ GTripp - What pro bowl talent did we let get away? While I agree we failed to lock up depth. The only pro-bowl players I can think of that we let get away are Pierce and Clark.

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[url=http://bustedcoverage.com/2013/07/15/meredith-barber-rg3s-wedding-day-texting-buddy-tries-to-sell-photos/]Meredith Barber, RG3′s Wedding Day Texting Buddy, Tries To Sell Photos[/url]

Hard to deny they have talked now........screenshots of them face timing, still don't believe it? I'm pretty upset he's this stupid

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[quote=Pigskins;1015619][url=http://bustedcoverage.com/2013/07/15/meredith-barber-rg3s-wedding-day-texting-buddy-tries-to-sell-photos/]Meredith Barber, RG3′s Wedding Day Texting Buddy, Tries To Sell Photos[/url]

Hard to deny they have talked now........screenshots of them face timing, still don't believe it? I'm pretty upset he's this stupid[/quote]

Talking to someone is not a crime. Talking to someone is not the same as acting like he sent you pics of his abs (clearly someone else) and that he sent you tickets to a game (definitely not the type of tickets he would receive to send out), which she now admits isn't true.

Find other things to complain about, or find somewhere else to complain about this

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Just figured it was off season news...........no need to be so defensive I love rg3 a much as we all do, but I think this could be huge if she actually has pictures, not sure why he would face chat a random girl he met through twitter unless he wanted something more

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[quote=Pigskins;1015619][url=http://bustedcoverage.com/2013/07/15/meredith-barber-rg3s-wedding-day-texting-buddy-tries-to-sell-photos/]Meredith Barber, RG3′s Wedding Day Texting Buddy, Tries To Sell Photos[/url]

Hard to deny they have talked now........screenshots of them face timing, still don't believe it? I'm pretty upset he's this stupid[/quote]

Sorry, still not convinced. The pics of his body don't even look like him and the shots of his face could be easily photoshopped in there. She (or he) is obviously some loser looking for a quick payday.

Even if it were true who cares.

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Don't believe everything you see on Twitter

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000129949/article/washington-redskins-duped-by-woman-with-fake-online-identity]Washington Redskins duped by woman with fake online identity - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;1015625]Sorry, still not convinced. The pics of his body don't even look like him and the shots of his face could be easily photoshopped in there. She (or he) is obviously some loser looking for a quick payday.

Even if it were true who cares.[/quote]


U can do anything on the internet now, and u r right. WHO CARES? As long as he isn't out getting arrested it's whatever. I don't really care if he talks to other chicks

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1015618]@ GTripp - What pro bowl talent did we let get away? While I agree we failed to lock up depth. The only pro-bowl players I can think of that we let get away are Pierce and Clark.[/quote]Rogers, Carter, and Landry all made pro bowls after leaving. And Champ Bailey on the Cerrato side of the ledger.

The kind of player we used to hang onto before was like...Ladell Betts. The Cooley extension ended up being a waste of cap space, but I liked it a lot at the time.