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[quote=Lotus;1017944]Last week several observers commented that RGIII was running with a slight limp. Was this true when you saw him?[/quote]

A knee brace will change your stride a little and give you a hitch.

I've worn one...feels and probably looks strange when running but it holds everything together.

So he might be running 4.4 instead of 4.3 in the 40 this year just from the brace, but I'd rather be extra cautious.





For flashback's sake:
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/20568428/robert-griffin-ran-a-43-40-during-sundays-game-winning-touchdown-run]Robert Griffin ran a 4.3 '40' during Sunday's game-winning touchdown run? - CBSSports.com[/url]

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[quote=over the mountain;1017936]
honestly i wouldnt start him until after the bye. starting the season 2-2 under cousins w a bye week to fully install RG3 sounds best for the long term goal.

rg3's knee is not going to make it past 5 years at this rate and they way he pushes himself ...[/quote]

I wouldn't go as far as to put a time frame on it, but doctors and coaches will be able to tell from his throws and runs when he plants. If he is compensating weight any, than chances are he's not ready. I'll let the medical and coaching staff determine that.

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[quote=over the mountain;1017936]yeah. cooley said that a player gets one chance to have some input on whether he plays injured or not. if you lie and say you are okay then aggravate your injury . . .you never get the benefit of the doubt from the coach again.

im not sure if he was talking specifically about shanny or football coaches in general.

but yeah, rg3 needs to chill.

[B]honestly i wouldnt start him until after the bye. starting the season 2-2 under cousins w a bye week to fully install RG3 sounds best for the long term goal.
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rg3's knee is not going to make it past 5 years at this rate and they way he pushes himself ...[/quote]
That makes zero sense. Do you feel the same about Orakpo, Merriweather, F. Davis, Garcon and Morgan also? They are all recovering from surgery and have been cleared by doctors for all football activities. By the end of August they will all be practicing fully in all aspects. Should they also be prevented from starting until week 5? He's a football player, not a pre-k teacher. Quit being a Nancy.

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[quote=Mattyk;1018024]If he's got the green light from the doctors, who is anyone else to say when he should play? Holding him out due to fear is just silly.[/quote]

Because of the sheer amount of re-aggrevated injuries we've seen after the doctor says he's good? I'm not against him starting from week 1, but I understand the stance of being more conservative. Give him the time to make sure he's ready. There will be a bullseye on that knee, and I want it 100% ready to make it, not 90%.

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[quote=Daseal;1018061][B]Because of the sheer amount of re-aggrevated injuries we've seen after the doctor says he's good?[/B] I'm not against him starting from week 1, but I understand the stance of being more conservative. Give him the time to make sure he's ready. There will be a bullseye on that knee, and I want it 100% ready to make it, not 90%.[/quote]

With RG3 specifically or others? Not sure what you mean exactly.

Injuries are going to happen no matter what. They could hold him out all year and he could get hurt in the first mini-camp next year.

If he's ok to play, put him out there week 1. And let it be a decision based on medical evidence, not out of fear that he's going to get hurt again. It's football, he had surgery and now he's healed. Time to play again.

I thought we were all in for week 1

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1018064]With RG3 specifically or others? Not sure what you mean exactly.

Injuries are going to happen no matter what. They could hold him out all year and he could get hurt in the first mini-camp next year.

If he's ok to play, put him out there week 1. And let it be a decision based on medical evidence, not out of fear that he's going to get hurt again. It's football, he had surgery and now he's healed. Time to play again.[/QUOTE]

Agreed

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i'm with matty on this one.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1017965]Well, can't be worse than Madoodoo Williams. I think of Williams last year as having a rookie, but slowly declining instead of slowly ascending.[/quote]

True

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I understand people being nervous, that's natural. I'm definitely going to be nervous for him until he takes some hits and gets back up. But you can't wrap the guy in bubble wrap or keep him on the sidelines forever.

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[quote=Mattyk;1018072]I understand people being nervous, that's natural. I'm definitely going to be nervous for him until he takes some hits and gets back up. But you can't wrap the guy in bubble wrap or keep him on the sidelines forever.[/quote]

He is like a Porsche he must be driven! Yeah you don't want crash your Porsche but it is no fun just sitting in the garage.

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i 100% agree that its the medical staff's call but he is only 6-7 months post repeat ACL reconstruction surgery. im not a doctor at all but this is his 2nd total reconstruction on the same knee.

how elastic can this newly attached ligament be? i imagine his knee is tight as hell right now. i guess the medical staff is slowly progressing his physical exertion of the knee and keeping a very close eye on any swelling.

now this might sound real crazy but id scope the knee before week 1 to make sure there are no slight tears or stretches that might not show up on an MRI.

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right more invasive surgery, that's what is needed. Paging Dr. Nick.
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[quote=over the mountain;1018079]i 100% agree that its the medical staff's call but he is only 6-7 months post repeat ACL reconstruction surgery. im not a doctor at all but this is his 2nd total reconstruction on the same knee.

how elastic can this newly attached ligament be? i imagine his knee is tight as hell right now. i guess the medical staff is slowly progressing his physical exertion of the knee and keeping a very close eye on any swelling.

now this might sound real crazy but id scope the knee before week 1 to make sure there are no slight tears or stretches that might not show up on an MRI.[/quote]

The doctor's know what's going on. We're going to have to trust them. He certainly doesn't look like he's having any setbacks.

The way I understand:

He didn't re-tear the ACL, at least not completely. They looked at it when they went in for the other injured ligaments (MCL and LCL) and didn't like the way it was done by the Baylor docs and did a revision to make it stronger.

He didn't tear the ACL a second time. This procedure should actually prevent him from doing so as the prior surgery was cleaned up and done right to strengthen it.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1018081]The doctor's know what's going on. We're going to have to trust them. He certainly doesn't look like he's having any setbacks.

The way I understand:

He didn't re-tear the ACL, at least not completely. They looked at it when they went in for the other injured ligaments (MCL and LCL) and didn't like the way it was done by the Baylor docs and did a revision to make it stronger.

He didn't tear the ACL a second time. This procedure should actually prevent him from doing so as the prior surgery was cleaned up and done right to strengthen it.[/quote]

They don't repair partially torn ACL's.

They re-did his ACL as if he had torn it all the way. Revision, re-do, same thing.

Meaning he started from scratch just like the first time.

[quote]As Griffin was undergoing surgery, his father, Robert Griffin II, texted to USA TODAY Sports: "Robert's ACL is intact, but not enough for his profession. You and I could be fine. But he is an athlete. So they will replace.''

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/01/09/redskins-robert-griffin-iii-reconstructive-surgery-acl-lcl/1819605/]RGIII's dad says Redskins quarterback had ACL replaced[/url][/quote]

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[quote=FRPLG;1018080]right more invasive surgery, that's what is needed. Paging Dr. Nick.
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a scope isnt a surgery. a "scope" means making a tinnie tiny incision and sticking a tinnie tiny camera through the incision to see what is going on . . i could be completely wrong.

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I just see RG3 being very rusty in the passing game the first few weeks. He's missed a ton of reps and getting his timing down with the wr's.

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[quote=over the mountain;1018097]a scope isnt a surgery. a "scope" means making a tinnie tiny incision and sticking a tinnie tiny camera through the incision to see what is going on . . i could be completely wrong.[/quote]

If he has no swelling, soreness, or instability, scoping the knee would be a bit over the top don't you think?

The ESPN documentary should help shed some light on what he went through in rehab. After that I don't think there will be any questions about where his knee is at.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1018099]I just see RG3 being very rusty in the passing game the first few weeks. He's missed a ton of reps and getting his timing down with the wr's.[/quote]

I'd put good money on him coming out week 1 like he hasn't missed a beat.

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[url=http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/07/rg3-washington-redskins-camp/?sct=hp_bf1_a3&eref=sihp]Robert Griffin III's knee no concern in Washington Redskins camp | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

Look at this report that Peter King did that someone already posted. Listen to what he says, I completely saw the samething in camp. He was making all the throws, no limp, he sprinting and throwing on the run. He will start Week 1 no doubt

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[quote=over the mountain;1018097]a scope isnt a surgery. a "scope" means making a tinnie tiny incision and sticking a tinnie tiny camera through the incision to see what is going on . . [B]i could be completely wrong[/B].[/quote]

You are.

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[quote=Paintrain;1018109]You are.[/quote]

scope in medical terms means to take a look.

fluroscopy or fluroscopic guidance = procedure done while viewing through a live xray

arthroscopic/arthroscopy = procedure done while viewing through a tiny camera

the term "arthroscopic surgery" is loosely used to mean that the doctor looked into a joint via arthroscopy and then cleaned up any scar tissue/chipped cartilage (debridement) but "arthroscopic" is not its own type of surgery or procedure.

really besides the point though and im dont care either way.

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[url=http://www.nflinjurynews.com/2013/08/redskins-phillip-thomas-suffers.html?m=1]The NFL Injury Report: Redskins' Phillip Thomas suffers sprained foot[/url]

Hopefully just a sprain and no ligament damage.

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I dont know if anyone was there, but camp got crushed by thunderstorms today. I was on my way there about 1:30 when I got caught on the Shocko Valley Bridge when the rain started crushing the road. Heard from a friend it was a total clusterf*ck getting out.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1018491]Hopefully just a sprain and no ligament damage.[/quote]

Technically a sprain is ligament damage. :cheeky:

I knew what you mean, just had to tease ya.

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Shanny reported in his news conference that Thomas had nothing seriously injured as in a facture or ligament damage according to Kliem at espn

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I was under the impression that a scope also involved sucking out any super small bone fragments, swelling etc.

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[url=http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002972.htm]Knee arthroscopy: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia[/url]

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^ Interesting stuff!

Csn is reporting Rg3 will see 11 on 11 work this week

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[quote=Mattyk;1018093]They don't repair partially torn ACL's.

They re-did his ACL as if he had torn it all the way. Revision, re-do, same thing.

Meaning he started from scratch just like the first time.[/quote]

That is 100% correct.
The surgeon took out the middle section of the patella tendon below the kneecap, most likely from RGIII's left knee, because they probably already harvested his right patella back at Baylor. You can only harvest a patella once. This graft includes the strip of tendon, along with attached plugs of bone on each side and make an ACL out of it.
For this reason ACL surgery is sometimes referred to as an ACL patellar-tendon-bone graft. This is the best technology/procedure to date for torn or partially torn ACL's.
Back in the early 80's Dr. Stanford Lavine (Redskins orthopedist at the time) re-attached my ACL when I partially tore my ACL skiing. It only lasted about 8 years before I completely tore it playing football. They no longer reattach or stitch ACL's back together anymore because it does not work long term for athletes. If you are a sit on the couch lazy bitch then it might be ok. If you have a partial ACL tear you should do a patella graft if you want to play sports at a high level. Period.
Since my patella graft my knee went back to normal, way stronger and more stable then the first surgery (reattachment). The diffrence was night and day.
I did however have some small issues with my patella tendon, but my Physical Therapist helped me strengthen my patella and no issues since.

Regarding the guy that said scope his knee just to make sure all was ok... NOO! You only scope unless you absolutely have to, like fluid build up and pain/discomfort that can effect your play. Yes, scoping a joint is a minor procedure, but an MRI can see everything including inside structures that your eye through a scope and an HD monitor can not see. The new MRi technology is amazing.
RGIII, barring any setbacks big or small, will play week 1.
HE is a franchise player unlike any other player on our team, so the rules are different for him than say an Orakpo or anyone else on our team. If he has even a slight issues with his knee leading to week one, let him rehab. It ain't worth the risk. We need a healthy RGIII for December and January, not first week of September. Plus Kirk's cousin looks pretty good so far. He ain't some piece of shit second stringer. I think we can win with him, he might be special as well. .

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Anyone else excited to watch this? [url=http://alloverthehill.com/2013/08/09/rg3-the-will-to-win-to-air-on-espn/]"RG3: The Will to Win" to air on ESPN - All Over The Hill - A Washington DC Sports Site - Redskins, Nationals, Capitols, Wizards, Georgetown & More[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1018529]Anyone else excited to watch this? [URL="http://alloverthehill.com/2013/08/09/rg3-the-will-to-win-to-air-on-espn/"]"RG3: The Will to Win" to air on ESPN - All Over The Hill - A Washington DC Sports Site - Redskins, Nationals, Capitols, Wizards, Georgetown & More[/URL][/quote]

I'm getting tired of the the media hype sourrounding RG3 and his knee. Between the adidas tv ad, his dad talking to the media, all doctors and media that can't stop talking and now this??? I just hope he plays well and his knee holds up...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1018530]I'm getting tired of the the media hype sourrounding RG3 and his knee. Between the adidas tv ad, his dad talking to the media, all doctors and media that can't stop talking and now this??? I just hope he plays well and his knee holds up...[/quote]

I hear what you are saying, and a part of me has the same gut reaction, but I have to admit that it is pretty amazing as a Skins fan to have a spotlight on our qb, simply because he has all the characteristics of a superstar. Yes, he needs to hold up on the field, and yes he has to play well, but this guy has so far managed all the various pressures perfectly, imo. I am not sure if it was a tweet, or an article that I saw, where Griffin basically said, Look, as long as my teammates aren't offended, then let the media have it's day, but if they (his teammates) start being put off by it, he will end it. Seemed like a very mature response.

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Both good points ^^^

I am getting a bit tired of "Kneegate" I just cant wait until week 1

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Defensewins is right. They no longer repair ACLs since ligaments and tendons receive so little blood flow that the repair takes forever to heal and is weak at that. They just replace it leaving the bone caps to heal in place. Much better technique than in the past. It's why it used to take 2 years to "come back" and now it takes less than a year. It comes down to how fast your bones heal and how diligent and careful you are during recovery to keep the joint as in-shape as possible. Most of the recovery is spent ensuring the joint is restrengthened and suitable to protect the ligaments going forward.

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I missed this news:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/07/30/tristan-davis-gives-up-on-football/]Tristan Davis gives up on football[/url]

He had potential but I guess with all of the rookies drafted, he saw the writing on the wall.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1018529]Anyone else excited to watch this? [URL="http://alloverthehill.com/2013/08/09/rg3-the-will-to-win-to-air-on-espn/"]"RG3: The Will to Win" to air on ESPN - All Over The Hill - A Washington DC Sports Site - Redskins, Nationals, Capitols, Wizards, Georgetown & More[/URL][/quote]


Sure I am excited but lets remember RGIII really has not won anything a this point. I think the media is crowning this guy a little to soon as the next best thing.

I think he has done great so far and the sky is the limit but lets see him win a Super Bowl or have a string of great seasons before saying he is the best.

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[url=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/8/12/4613948/rg3-mike-shanahan-washington-redskins-2013-schedule-offense]Changing the driver: RGIII, Mike Shanahan and Washington's offense - SBNation.com[/url]