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[quote=Chico23231;1034563]crazy where all the haters go after a win[/quote]

I am no hater, however I still believe that Haslett and Burns have to go or change. This is getting to be embrassing. As I have said before, I know that we got hit with the cap plenatly, but there are plenty of other teams that are consistently under the cap by that amount of money that perform a whole lot better than we do [I](Bengals, Cheifs, Patriots to name a few).[/I]

The special teams are terrible, I cant believe that by losing LA that they got that bad. He was a great player for us, but good lord the ST's are horrendous and need more than just one player. I dont know what the answer is, but that is why I don't coach in the NFL. I can sure as hell tell when a part of a team play like crap.

Hell of win yesterday, just disappointed in the performance of ST's and the defense.

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[quote=Mattyk;1034480]Hester is one of the top return men of all time. I can't get too upset over him making a play. Teams are still a concern but at least it didn't cost us the game. Just gotta hope they can improve.

On another note it was great to see another defensive score. Rak finally gets the monkey off his back with his first pick and he did it in style with the pick 6.[/quote]The massive escort Hester had to the endzone was embarassing. Any decent returner could have scored that play. If my fat *** could have run that fast, I might have made it. :)

Loved seeing Hall play so well too. Not perfect, but he's really stepping up. Did Fletch look uncharacteristically lost to you too?

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The D and ST are what they are at this point. Changing coaches mid season rarely has a positive effect, so the best course is to just keep working for improvement with what we've got. At least the D has been opportunistic when it comes to scoring off turnovers. The cap penalty definitely impacted these units. Alexander probably wouldn't have gotten away and we could have brought in a quality safety or two.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1034565]The massive escort Hester had to the endzone was embarassing. Any decent returner could have scored that play. If my fat *** could have run that fast, I might have made it. :)

Loved seeing Hall play so well too. Not perfect, but he's really stepping up. Did Fletch look uncharacteristically lost to you too?[/quote]

Fletcher hasn't done much all year. Par for the course yesterday.

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[quote=Mattyk;1034567]Fletcher hasn't done much all year. Par for the course yesterday.[/quote]:( Hadn't noticed. Took him for granted lately. It was fun to watch him slide around, clog running holes, make OL miss, and make plays.

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Since the first 2 games, the defense actually has been much better.

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I am sad to say it but it is past the time to stick a fork in Fletch.

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Think Griffin played great down the stretch but I still think he takes unnecessary hits and shoves to the ground when he doesnt need to. When I watch Wilson play he hardly takes any hits at all. Maybe I am being too cautious but I love griff but he wont last taking these hits. what do you guys think?

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;1034573]Think Griffin played great down the stretch but I still think he takes unnecessary hits and shoves to the ground when he doesnt need to. When I watch Wilson play he hardly takes any hits at all. Maybe I am being too cautious but I love griff but he wont last taking these hits. what do you guys think?[/quote]

Wilson has taken his fair share of hits this year.

[url=http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2013/09/17/seahawks-contact-nfl-front-office-about-hit-on-russell-wilson/]Seahawks contact NFL front office about hit on Russell Wilson - Seattle Seahawks & NFL News[/url]

You never want to see your QB getting hit. I think Griffin has been alot better this year about seeking out the sideline.

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I will say this about the zone read/read option; we re only good when we use it and run Griffin.

So for all those who want to get rid of it and think Robert can pass from the pocket like Aaron Rodgers, we get rid of it and RG3 and this team crumbles. We keep it and we have a much greater chance of winning.

And on a slightly different note, you all should have been rooting for Denver to win last night because now we have to play a pissed off Denver team at home next week. Not good.

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[quote=Chico23231;1034563]crazy where all the haters go after a win[/quote]

**** you! FIRE SHANAHAN!!

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What a find Jordan Reed has turned out to be. What I really like about the kid is he's
not into a bunch of stupid celebrating after the play. He shows up and and puts in work. Post game RGIII said he and Reed spent a lot of time together during the off season and his production is surprising.

I hate that this might be the end of the Fred Davis era and we probably won't get much in return for him, if anything at all.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1034578]I will say this about the zone read/read option; we re only good when we use it and run Griffin.

So for all those who want to get rid of it and think Robert can pass from the pocket like Aaron Rodgers, we get rid of it and RG3 and this team crumbles. We keep it and we have a much greater chance of winning.

And on a slightly different note, you all should have been rooting for Denver to win last night because now we have to play a pissed off Denver team at home next week. Not good.[/quote]

I just think a more healthy RG3 physically and mentally and the fact we are starting to run the ball is the bigger difference regardless of the zone read. To say we are only good when we use it, Im not buying that. To say RG3 cant be a pocket passer after 20 games in his career is just not smart.

As for Denver, their defense is f8cking pure garbage. We should be in this game if we can keep this retard piece of shit special teams coach from f*cking up the game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1034423]We won. It wasn't pretty. No need to bitch about firing people. My only complaint is Kyle needs to stop running RG3 so much. The kid is eventually going to get hurt again.[/quote]


RGIII is not a pocket passer and needs to play to his strength. I would think after the past 4 weeks people would realize that its not hard to see.

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[quote=Chico23231;1034584]I just think a more healthy RG3 physically and mentally and the fact we are starting to run the ball is the bigger difference regardless of the zone read. To say we are only good when we use it, Im not buying that. [B]To say RG3 cant be a pocket passer after 20 games in his career is just not smart. [/B]

As for Denver, their defense is f8cking pure garbage. We should be in this game if we can keep this retard piece of shit special teams coach from f*cking up the game.[/quote]

Well he has not shown himself to be a pocket passer but has shown he can perform on the move. When he is in the pocket he just stares down one player and thus all his ints this year.

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[quote=12thMan;1034581]What a find Jordan Reed has turned out to be. What I really like about the kid is he's
not into a bunch of stupid celebrating after the play. He shows up and and puts in work. Post game RGIII said he and Reed spent a lot of time together during the off season and his production is surprising.

I hate that this might be the end of the Fred Davis era and we probably won't get much in return for him, if anything at all.[/quote]

Davis is all but gone at this point, and since he's on a one year deal unless we trade him asap we're not getting anything for him.

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My prediction, we'll win at least 4 of the next 6 games, maybe 5.

We'll win at least one of the these: Denver or SF.

We really only have 3 really tough games left. Denver, SF and KC.

The others are very winnable, some should be marked down as automatic:

Broncos ?
Chargers W
Vikings W
Eagles W
49ers ?
Vagiants W
Chiefs ?
Falcons W
Cowboys W
Vagiants W

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[quote=firstdown;1034586]Well he has not shown himself to be a pocket passer but has shown he can perform on the move. When he is in the pocket he just stares down one player and thus all his ints this year.[/quote]

But just to write off RG3 as a pocket passer so early and he is coming off an injury? He has shown he can perform on the move which is why Shanny drafted him, he's always had QB who move well.

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Looking at yesterday's game, Shanahan should be fired.

Of the standouts in yesterday's game, Shanny drafted:

*Griffin
*Helu
*Reed
*Morris
*Orakpo
*Riley
*Amerson
*A. Robinson
*Trent Williams
*Darrel Young, UDFA signing (leading the way for 200+ rushing yds)

And also brought in:
*Cofield
*Garcon
*Chris Baker (honorable mention for that one play)
*Forbath (didn't miss today)

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[quote=Monkeydad;1034588]My prediction, we'll win at least 4 of the next 6 games, maybe 5.

We'll win at least one of the these: Denver or SF.

We really only have 3 really tough games left. Denver, SF and KC.

The others are very winnable, some should be marked down as automatic:

Broncos ?
Chargers W
Vikings W
Eagles W
49ers ?
Vagiants W
Chiefs ?
Falcons W
Cowboys W
Vagiants W[/quote]

Slow down there Monkey...one damn game at a time...lol.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1034590]Looking at yesterday's game, Shanahan should be fired.

Of the standouts in yesterday's game, Shanny drafted:

*Griffin
*Helu
*Reed
*Morris
*Orakpo
*Riley
*Amerson
*A. Robinson
*Trent Williams
*Darrel Young, UDFA signing (leading the way for 200+ rushing yds)

And also brought in:
*Cofield
*Garcon
*Chris Baker (honorable mention for that one play)
*Forbath (didn't miss today)[/quote]

This is still a 2-4 football team that barely won against a team w/out it's QB and a several starters. We have a long way to go. Great win yesterday. Now let's go beat Denver. They're not un beatable and can be scored on.

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Game ball goes to RG3 w/ Reed a close second. RG3 put this team on his back yesterday running and throwing. Yeah he made a few mistakes but so does Peyton. He made more than he missed. I'll take that performance every week. Reed was just a beast. Looks like Aaron Hernandez out there, hopefully he's a not a serial killer...lol.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1034591]Slow down there Monkey...one damn game at a time...lol.[/quote]


2012: Never forget.

This is a new season from here out.

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[quote=Chico23231;1034589]But just to write off RG3 as a pocket passer so early and he is coming off an injury? He has shown he can perform on the move which is why Shanny drafted him, he's always had QB who move well.[/quote]

I totally agree.

I think we need to remember he's still just a 2nd year QB adjusting to a pro style system. Due to the injury his growth as a pocket passer was definitely stunted.

20 starts into his career it's definitely still too early to write him off as being able to become a great pocker passer. He's a smart guy who puts in the time necessary to be successful. At this point though our best chance for success with him is to stick with what he knows from last year.

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[quote=Mattyk;1034587]Davis is all but gone at this point, and since he's on a one year deal unless we trade him asap we're not getting anything for him.[/quote]

He can still help this team score. If the wr's aren't getting it done then get Davis out there in some 2 TE sets with Reed. No need for him to be inactive.

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Game ball to Helu. Three TD's including the winner with 45 seconds left on the clock. That's a huge game!

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[quote=whistler;1034497]I didn't say that Tebow is or ever was a better player, I am saying that if you are going to run your QB to this degree in the NFL he won't be your QB for long, if he doesn't have another serious injury, he will loose the speed to get around the corner. The NFL teams that have major success are the teams that can pass without play action (or the threat of the QB taking off) when they are in the hurry up. Don't get me started on the Shannys desire to control the game with their use of the hurry up and the lack there of within the last 5 minutes of the halves.[/quote]

I would disagree. Mobility of the QB is an integral part of the game. Last night the Colts used roll outs with Luck to extend the field. P. Manning extends the play by moving in the pocket. Both Romo and Roethlisburger are all able to extend plays due to their mobility. Using the run to set up the pass may be against the current trend, but more than a handeful of tems do it.

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Sounds like Meriweather will be suspended per Jason La Canfora.

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Honestly he should be but that will really hurt

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Merriweather is probably being told to keep hitting, just a guess.

Griffin still doesn't have his accuracy all the way back, but he's definately improving.

WRs still struggling, route running isn't great, hands aren't great. Thank god for Reed, who plays like a WR at times.

Lack of speed and poor tackling on defense again, not much can be done til offseason.

Kerrigan seems to be rounding into his normal second half of the season disappearing act.

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Can't help but think that Meriweather is being targeted by the refs to a degree. Yeah some of his hits this year have been questionable, but I thought the calls on him yesterday were really ticky tacky. Gotta feel bad for defenders these days. I really don't know what they're supposed to do.

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If RGIII doesn't learn to slide, he's going to end up much like this kid.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/sAlyLOG.gif[/IMG]



He took a wicked shot he had no business taking yesterday. I'm surprised he didn't have a concussion off it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1034609]If RGIII doesn't learn to slide, he's going to end up much like this kid.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/sAlyLOG.gif[/IMG]



He took a wicked shot he had no business taking yesterday. I'm surprised he didn't have a concussion off it.[/quote]

He is definately doing better running out of bounds though, not trying to stretch for that last yard. His sliding sucks, but I think he is taking less hits per game then last year.

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lol that kid got lit up

Basically this team goes as far as Griffin can take em this yr. If we make the playoffs it will be pretty much mainly due to Griffin. Not a surprise of course but js.

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The hit from Tillman looked worse than it actually was.

Yeah I agree overall he's probably taking less hits in the open field compared to last year.

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Those who say that RGIII is not a pocket passer NOW are correct. He stares down receivers and never gets far through his reads.

But those who say that he can grow into the role are correct, too. If Randall Cunningham could grow up to be a pocket passer, definitely so can RGIII, who is light years ahead of Cunningham in intelligence/skills.

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HTTR24/7 has posted some good breakdowns in the past of RG3 going through his progressions. So it's not like he can't or never has done it.

The plays where he appears to be staring down his WR are mostly those quick slant one read type plays off play-action. I think teams have just gotten better at defending those on us, like Briggs yesterday jumping into the throwing lane at the last second.

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Rg3 will be fine and he's starting to scare Defenses like he did last yr. Teams just won't be able to handle our Offense with him running the ball, he's so dangerous back there and as we saw yesterday he made 2 great throws REED Fade and deep ball to AA. He's basically back

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[quote=Mattyk;1034613]The hit from Tillman looked worse than it actually was.

Yeah I agree overall he's probably taking less hits in the open field compared to last year.[/quote]

That hit from Tillman was nothing.

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[quote=Lotus;1034614]Those who say that RGIII is not a pocket passer NOW are correct. He stares down receivers and never gets far through his reads.

But those who say that he can grow into the role are correct, too. If [B]Randall Cunningham[/B] [B]could grow up to be a pocket passer[/B], definitely so can RGIII, who is light years ahead of [B]Cunningham[/B] in intelligence/skills.[/quote]

Did he? If you look at his number he only slowed down running as he got older and was still running alot in his prime. He may have only had one really big year when he was not running the ball.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CunnRa00.htm]Randall Cunningham NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]