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[quote=skinsfan69;1045615]Completely disagree. Would Carroll trade draft picks for McNabb? RG3? Re arrange the defense? The reason Seattle is better than we are is simple. They've made better personnel moves than we have. End of discussion.[/quote]

I'm not reading much on the other side of this (ignore listed) but regardless nobody can make an honest argument against your points here. Seattle is so packed with depth it almost seems unfair, and that's only possible through brilliant drafting and their handful of FA movies, most of which happened under Carroll. Mike on the other hand has been way below average in both draft and free agency. And his handling of the roster, both inherited and hand-picks has been abysmal.

But more importantly, what Carroll adds on game day is something mike hasn't achieved in over a decade. Bottom like is Carroll is a far superior talent evaluator and coach, arguing otherwise just smacks of ignorance (witch burners).

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1045628]I think you need to look at Shanahan's career and see the QB's he's worked with and players that have flourished under his control. Last time I checked, he's won 2 super bowl championships. Until Pete even sniffs one, I think this conversation is over.


I'm not saying Mike's done well here, just that Pete Carroll isn't a better coach than Mike. Mike's made some bad decisions here (mostly staff related) that have really affected this team in a major way. I'm just sick and fucking tired of hearing how X coach came in and turned Y team around. The problem with these anecdotal stories are that they aren't the same circumstances nor are they the same situations. How cares though right? It fits in to your hating agenda so carry on Ahab with your hunt.

Mike is bad, every other coach in the NFL is better. We get it....we really do. /s[/QUOTE]

When you start talking about coaching career your credibility goes out the window. Who gives a s what Shanny did before in Denver. Yea he won a SB after acquiring a team with talent on it. After that he was consistent for a decade then got run out of town. IMO that means jack here in DC.

It's not that Mike is bad, he has done a lot of good since he got here, and 3 weeks ago I still wanted him back. Now I could care less if he stays, and I would actually prefer if he goes. After 4 years there's no excuse to win 3-4 games in a season. Especially when we can play 1-2 quarters of good football then lose the other 2-3. That right there is an indictment on Shannys inability to get the best out of his players at all times.

As for Carroll if you don't think that he has that team playing better football than anyone else in the NFC I don't know what games you are watching. He might not have won much w the pats, but who gives a s about that now, bet no one in SEA does. I don't see how anyone stops them at home, seems like it will be them vs NE or DEN in the SB this year, should be a good one.

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[quote=The Goat;1045594]Name a better HC available over the last 3 years?[/quote]



Belicheck , Coughlin ,Andy Reid or even the Harbaugh brothers

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[quote=skinsfan69;1045598]I hope Snyder brings the stadium back to DC one day. Not sure what Cooke was thinking putting the stadium right off 495 that isn't metro friendly.[/quote]




Not very likely , and there is a metro stop with in walking distance .I would rather be off 495 than try and find parking or driving to downtown DC .

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[quote=The Goat;1045633]

But more importantly, what Carroll adds on game day is something mike hasn't achieved in over a decade. Bottom like is Carroll is a far superior talent evaluator and coach, arguing otherwise just smacks of ignorance (witch burners).[/quote]



You do realize Pete Carroll bombed out of the NFL one time before ,and ran back to college, right?

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Folks no one winning in Seattle in the playoffs. The Russell Wilsons dominated last night.

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[quote=Giantone;1045640]You do realize Pete Carroll bombed out of the NFL one time before ,and ran back to college, right?[/quote]

Twice before. He was head coach of the Jets for a year as well.

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[quote=Chico23231;1045644]Folks no one winning in Seattle in the playoffs. The Russell Wilsons dominated last night.[/quote]


Yeah because their amazing shutdown D isn't the reason y they win...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045664]Yeah because their amazing shutdown D isn't the reason y they win...[/quote]

lol. Come'on, you know Seattle a borderline Wild Card team without Wilson. There OC called a perfect game too. Play design and execution was flawless first half. Seattle Oline manhandled a good Saints D-Line.

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[quote=Chico23231;1045667]lol. Come'on, you know Seattle a borderline Wild Card team without Wilson. There OC called a perfect game too. Play design and execution was flawless first half. Seattle Oline manhandled a good Saints D-Line.[/quote]


No Wilson and they may win 7 games but I'm JS he's got a boatload of help around him, any QB could look good with time he had back there and actually having a D stop people. Dude is a baller though don't get me wrong

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Seattle is super solid all around with or without Wilson. But games like last night you can't deny he makes them better.

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[quote=Mattyk;1045670]Seattle is super solid all around with or without Wilson. But games like last night you can't deny he makes them better.[/quote]

He looks like Brady when the Patriots were winning super bowls.

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I think the 49ers are the only team that can remotely compete with Seattle at their place.

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[quote=donofriose;1045671]He looks like Brady when the Patriots were winning super bowls.[/quote]


But he has to win 3

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[quote=Chico23231;1045672]I think the 49ers are the only team that can remotely compete with Seattle at their place.[/quote]

Not even sure they can based on how they have played there the last two times. But the hatred might be similar to jets vs Pats and they may be able to pull off an upset.

I think Carolina would be the best bet to travel anywhere and steal a win or two.

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[quote=Chico23231;1045672]I think the 49ers are the only team that can remotely compete with Seattle at their place.[/quote]


I agree

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[quote=donofriose;1045674]Not even sure they can based on how they have played there the last two times. But the hatred might be similar to jets vs Pats and they may be able to pull off an upset.

I think Carolina would be the best bet to travel anywhere and steal a win or two.[/quote]

I worry about Carolina offense. KC and Carolina have similar issues, but the Ravens sb run last year gives both those 2 hope.

Carolina is the unperdictable team in the entire playoff picture in both leagues. I dont think the lights will be too big for Cam, but maybe for that defense.

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I'm not a believer in Carolina as a SB team just yet, they lack those play makers on Offense that is needed. Same as KC

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[quote=Chico23231;1045677]I worry about Carolina offense. KC and Carolina have similar issues, but the Ravens sb run last year gives both those 2 hope.

Carolina is the unperdictable team in the entire playoff picture in both leagues. I dont think the lights will be too big for Cam, but maybe for that defense.[/quote]

Carolina isn't that far behind San Fran in terms of offense. Both statistically and according to the eye test. I still would take Seattle to beat either of them if they played.

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Seattle is in a class by themselves. Denver can beat them in the Super Bowl, perhaps, but I have no confidence Denver is getting to the SB. Every team is going to be a touchdown plus underdog in Seattle in the playoffs. They are so well built, that they're not only the favorite to win this year, but next year as well.

The playoff matchup I want to see is Eagles-Seahawks.

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Watching that defense of Seattle is there anyone who doesn't believe that we shouldn't try to steal a coach like Ken Norton Jr. to make him our DC and implement that style of defense.

Norton has been on staff with the Seahawks for three years and at USC with Pete for 6 years. He is a perfect target to steal.

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The problem for Seattle is that the Super Bowl isn't going to be played at their home. It's clear across the country, where the Hawks have shown time and time again they don't play well on the road.

We'll see. Definitely the best team in NFL, but more often than not, the best team doesn't win the SB.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045678]I'm not a believer in Carolina as a SB team just yet, they lack those play makers on Offense that is needed. Same as KC[/quote]

San Fran has the same problem on offense. I'm not sure Crabtree is the same this year. I think they will use him as a distraction more than an actual playmaker.

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[quote=donofriose;1045689]San Fran has the same problem on offense. I'm not sure Crabtree is the same this year. I think they will use him as a distraction more than an actual playmaker.[/quote]


yeah all 3 of those teams are very similar

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[quote=donofriose;1044761]Peyton Manning is amazing. He is showing off his arm strength today.[/quote]guys, If you're in the market for a replicas, there are some places to get a quality one for cheap if you google them. i usually bought from online . you can check this out weiketrade

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045675]I agree[/quote]

They have gotten their ass kicked the last two times they went up there, so I dont agree.

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[quote=CrazySparty;1045693]guys, If you're in the market for a replicas, there are some places to get a quality one for cheap if you google them. i usually bought from online . you can check this out weiketrade[/quote]

Who the hell said anything about replicas?

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[quote=CrazySparty;1045693]guys, If you're in the market for a replicas, there are some places to get a quality one for cheap if you google them. i usually bought from online . you can check this out weiketrade[/quote]


lol random as hell man

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045697]lol random as hell man[/quote]

Reminds me of a certain bowling event a while back. Maybe you heard of ir?

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[quote=Giantone;1045638]Belicheck , Coughlin ,Andy Reid or even the Harbaugh brothers[/quote]


Coughlin missed the playoffs in 2012 and 2013.

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I would welcome Ken Norton Jr. as our DC with open arms.

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This off-topic a little but I think Synder should press hard for the Steelers to lose a draft pick for what Tomlin did. They Steelers were one of the teams that screwed us over in the salary cap crap, there was supposedly a memo sent out about this and Tomlin is on the competition committee. That and how did the refs not see him that damn close to the field, we got a penalty earlier in the season for that and our coach wasn't no where near where Tomlin was.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1045712]Coughlin missed the playoffs in 2012 and 2013.[/quote]

So what, the question was name a better coach , I did .

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[quote=redskins5044;1045914]This off-topic a little but I think Synder should press hard for the Steelers to lose a draft pick for what Tomlin did. They Steelers were one of the teams that screwed us over in the salary cap crap, there was supposedly a memo sent out about this and Tomlin is on the competition committee. That and how did the refs not see him that damn close to the field, we got a penalty earlier in the season for that and our coach wasn't no where near where Tomlin was.[/quote]

He got fined the price of a cheap house. I think that was punishment enough. There should not be a revenge factor when it comes to deducting critical draft picks.

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[quote=donofriose;1045967]He got fined the price of a cheap house. I think that was punishment enough. There should not be a revenge factor when it comes to deducting critical draft picks.[/quote]Agreed the fine seems punishment enough for me. If Coughlin did that, I would hope the Gnats would lose draft picks, for "violating the spirit" of something, and Goodell telling everybody the Gnats "got off lucky".

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1045672]I think the 49ers are the only team that can remotely compete with Seattle at their place.[/QUOTE]

Dont sleep on Carolina. Not that I think they would beat Seattle in Seattle, but imo they have a better chance than San Fran. They lost a close one to Seattle in Carolina but that was the first game. They were not the same team.

Remember when the Jets had a similar incident from the sidelines. That was completely un purpose and they did not lose picks. I think Tomlins fine was fair.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1046010]Agreed the fine seems punishment enough for me. If Coughlin did that, I would hope the Gnats would lose draft picks, for "violating the spirit" of something, and Goodell telling everybody the Gnats "got off lucky".[/quote]


LOL, If the Giants were guilty of something then they should be penalized ,like any and all teams who "violate the spirit" ....to use your words .:laughing-

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[quote=punch it in;1046014]Remember when the Jets had a similar incident from the sidelines. That was completely un purpose and they did not lose picks. I think Tomlins fine was fair.[/quote]

I think the NFL is looking to send a message since this has happened a few times recently.

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[quote=punch it in;1046013]Dont sleep on Carolina. Not that I think they would beat Seattle in Seattle, but imo they have a better chance than San Fran. They lost a close one to Seattle in Carolina but that was the first game. They were not the same team.[/quote]

Def not sleeping on Carolina. Wild card bitch!

But like I mentioned b4, like kc, I worry about that offense. They can't get behind early.

The more I think about it, the more I wanna see the Seattle Russell Wilsons completly stomp the Pats. Like 40- 10 ass whipping. Hoodie losing to carrol? Oh man that would be classic