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[quote=GTripp0012;1047851]He hasn't earned one.[/quote]

Two SB MVP's has earned him that long leash.

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It's a moot point... He is being benched by a lame duck coach because he wants the owner to fire him so he can still collect 7 million dollars while sitting on the beach or so he can coach another team... This has nothing to do with his development, health or production... It's a big FUCK YOU from Shanny to Snyder...

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1047805]Dude cousins has looked bad also he has 4 tds and 5 ints and 2 fumbles in his career[/QUOTE]

I dont think Cousins is better than Griff, but its hard to come in cold all the time with no reps the week before and look good.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047852]Yep.. sitting him out in pre season practices and all the pre season games was BS. As we see now, he needed the work. He wasn't good enough to walk out there and play, no 2nd year guy coming off a serious injury would be. The tides have turned now. He's been playing and practicing for 15 weeks or so? He's regressing on the field and making the same mistakes over and over again. He should be benched for his play AND to get him into the off season so he's 100% healthy. I have no issue with what MS is doing.[/quote]

Contradiction noted.

Not sure how the tide has turned exactly. His knee has healed further and he needs playing time to continue to improve, just like any 2nd yr QB does. Should Carolina have sat Cam down last year when they were 3-9? Things like reading a D don't come with sitting.

If you're benching him for his play better sit down most of the team too. But as we know that's not going to happen, because this isn't about his knee or his play.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047853]Two SB MVP's has earned him that long leash.[/quote]Orgs don't think like this. Manning's start streak means more to teams.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1047853]Two SB MVP's has earned him that long leash.[/QUOTE]

I think Tripp was referring to Griff. Maybe im wrong.
Edit: based on Tripps last post i was wrong. Lol.
I have to disagree Eli has certainly earned a long leash. If u dont think those two superbowls have something to do with Eli not being benched you are wrong imo.

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[quote=punch it in;1047858]I think Tripp was referring to Griff. Maybe im wrong.
Edit: based on Tripps last post i was wrong. Lol.
I have to disagree Eli has certainly earned a long leash. If u dont think those two superbowls have something to do with Eli not being benched you are wrong imo.[/quote]Let me explain why the rings are irrelevant:

Eli Manning is the Giants starter next season, that's already decided. They aren't playing Nassib because the live rep evaluation doesn't help them. They get to evaluate him in a controlled practice environment already. The game reps put his film out for the rest of the league, which does not benefit the Giants. Eli is healthy and can play, therefore, he plays.

I think it's pretty clear that Griffin is the Redskins starter next season. If that isn't clear, it's not because he hasn't won a super bowl with Washington.

How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1047861]Let me explain why the rings are irrelevant:

Eli Manning is the Giants starter next season, that's already decided. They aren't playing Nassib because the live rep evaluation doesn't help them. They get to evaluate him in a controlled practice environment already. The game reps put his film out for the rest of the league, which does not benefit the Giants. Eli is healthy and can play, therefore, he plays.

I think it's pretty clear that Griffin is the Redskins starter next season. If that isn't clear, it's not because he hasn't won a super bowl with Washington.[/QUOTE]

I thought you were saying Eli should be benched because he is having a poor season. Nevermind. I agree with what you are saying.
I will say that even if the Giants had a solid, game ready backup they would not bench Eli and it would have alot to do with his rings. But thats neither here nor there. I agree with your above assessment.
Edit: rings are never irrelevant - that statement i dont agree with.

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Pissed. I'm 12-2 in my Fantasy League and RG3 is my starting QB. Lost Gronk, so I'm already cooked as it is.

As mediocre as RG3 has looked, he's been able to put up some pretty decent fantasy stats;)

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[quote=punch it in;1047862]I thought you were saying Eli should be benched because he is having a poor season. Nevermind. I agree with what you are saying.
I will say that even if the Giants had a solid, game ready backup they would not bench Eli and it would have alot to do with his rings. But thats neither here nor there. I agree with your above assessment.
Edit: rings are never irrelevant - that statement i dont agree with.[/quote]I was just saying that benching Griffin for performance is defensible, but not if you don't also believe Eli should be benched for his performance. Griffin's bar is the same as Eli's bar, and it's a much lower bar than Matt McGloin has.

The rings thing is a fan argument (and I am not here to tell you what you should value -- at least not here). Benching the starting quarterback is not a decision the fans get to make. Two totally different universes here, and when you drag rings into the actual decision making process, you're doing it wrong.

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He should be allowed to play on Sunday on turf, in a dome, against a bad team. Let him get some confidence back. Kirk can play the last game or two.

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I'm not against giving Cousins a scripted drive so he can look really good heading into the offseason, but Griffin needs to be starting and playing.

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[quote=Mattyk;1047856]Contradiction noted.

Not sure how the tide has turned exactly. His knee has healed further and he needs playing time to continue to improve, just like any 2nd yr QB does. Should Carolina have sat Cam down last year when they were 3-9? Things like reading a D don't come with sitting.

If you're benching him for his play better sit down most of the team too. But as we know that's not going to happen, because this isn't about his knee or his play.[/quote]

The tide has turned because he's playing like shit and the team is 3-10. The offense has gone 2,3, 4 and even 5 quarters w/out scoring a single point. It's a struggle just to get a first down at times. The Newton point is fair, he should have been benched last year... but again, he's got healthy knees.

If my memory serves me correct, didn't Steve Walsh play some while Aikman stunk it up? The better guy obviously won out so why is everyone so worried about 3 games? 3 games isn't going to kill RG3's growth with 28-29 starts under his belt.

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[quote=jamf;1047750]No denying this but Redskins fans have to live with the outcome regardless of why things are done.

I think starting Cousins is a win-win situation.
RG3 is not 100% so no reason to risk injury now, he is the franchise regardless of what anybody thinks. That's what three #1s dictate.

Cousins could use the experience.

[B]RG3 needs to sit and watch. I think he should share a little blame in this giant mess and I hope sitting him humbles him a bit. It would be great if Cousins ran the offense better than RG3 so he can realize he still needs a lot of work and his athleticism is only a small part of playing QB.[/B]

No matter what happens, Shanahan is going to spin it in his favor.
If cousins does great, he will say RG3 was forced on him.
If cousins sucks, he will say they don't have the personnel to run his offense.

I only hope the backup linemen get a chance to play too.

Can't wait for the next chapter...[/quote]

I actually don't think it would be a bad thing to sit RGIII -- regardless of the possible ulterior motives of Mike Shanahan. Griffin comes across a cerebral sort of character, and looking at the game from a different vantage point along with time to reflect from a mental point of view might really do him some good.

And, there is some truth to the idea that fearing for the man's health is a legitimate concern. Maybe playing in the ice storm is what alerted the coaching staff to that. And really -- wouldn't it be final gut punch of this horrific season to see Griffin suffer another significant injury in the final three meaningless games?

It wouldn't be the end of the world if #10 watches from the sidelines for a few games.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1047864]I was just saying that benching Griffin for performance is defensible, but not if you don't also believe Eli should be benched for his performance. Griffin's bar is the same as Eli's bar, and it's a much lower bar than Matt McGloin has.

The rings thing is a fan argument (and I am not here to tell you what you should value -- at least not here). Benching the starting quarterback is not a decision the fans get to make. Two totally different universes here, and when you drag rings into the actual decision making process, you're doing it wrong.[/QUOTE]

I dont think either one should be benched at this particular moment in time.
We will just have to agree to disagree on rings/past performance not factoring into a coaches decision to bench their qb. Ive seen alot of great qb's go into slumps - unless they are in the twilight of their careers, or injured - they rarely get benched. As for RG-3 and Eli, well its apples and oranges because of the Shanny thing. It is of course very strange that suddenly MS is worried about his health - please. However if that was not going on, well Griff is coming off major surgery, and he has played rather poorly. Eli is having a bad year, but I just cannot imagine the Giants benching him, - if this was Elis second year and he didnt have two rings, etc - than I would imagine it might be atleast a topic in Giants camp.

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I do feel like this is a political move by Shanahan. I also don't expect an improved offensive showing at all. Cousins may have better fundamanetals in the pocket but does he have the big play ability to suceed if the NFL? I am also concerned that if we expect Cosuins to be our back up for the next couple of years, why put him on game film? Do we really want opposing defenses having that?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1047902]I do feel like this is a political move by Shanahan. I also don't expect an improved offensive showing at all. Cousins may have better fundamanetals in the pocket but does he have the big play ability to suceed if the NFL? I am also concerned that if we expect Cosuins to be our back up for the next couple of years, why put him on game film? Do we really want opposing defenses having that?[/quote]

IMO Kirk will be traded this offseason for whatever can get for him. If he plays well these last three games then if could go to a 2nd rounder, if not it could drop to a 4th rounder.

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This is the ultimate bitch move by Shanahan. He's snubbing his nose to Snyder and the Redskins fan base by even posing this as an option.

As I've said before, there is NO upside to playing Cousins. If he plays lights out (which I doubt) then there is a controversy all offseason or at least until he's no longer RG3's backup. If he plays average or craps the bed, his trade stock is damaged and we end up not getting anticipated value for him.

This damn season can't end soon enough. I'm not looking forward to another upheaval but I'm ready for this BS to be over and done with.

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Meanwhile....back in Shanahan's office at Redskins Park.



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I other news...the sun shines brightly and lobsters turn red when cooked.

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Who gives a rat's ass at this point if RG III starts. This team is just as bad if not worse than the stinking Cowboys. Our O line is mediocre, our D line is as well. Our Wr corp is way too inconsistent in making grabs, our defensive backfield has been a sieve since the Norv days, but at least the guys under Norv knew how to get an INT more often, although the yardage given up was worse. In short, RG III sucks and isn't going to get us to the promised land fellas. Sorry, no frigging way, with this collective bunch of fuck ups. Blow the whole thing up and start from scratch. And next time Mr. Snyder please don't go for the hype and go by pure scouting reports. Many scouts from the other teams had RG III nailed as an arrogant diva, but you needed your ticket and merchandise big name. Foles is going to get a ring before RG III.

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Is the kid from Northern Illinois a senior? If so I say we draft his ass, especially if Cousins is nothing but trade bait, which makes sense. MSU QBs are not starting material, but make great backups. Shanny might be a prick, but RG III isn't much better if not worse. Do you think any decent HC is going to come into DC knowing he will have to kowtow to a punk? That the owner will take the punk's side in any future disagreement?

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Daniel Snyder= The Koscher Jerry Jones

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The sad fact is gentlemen that most owners of these storied franchises know damn well they don't have to win because the populace is always going to want to see their circuses. Folks left early from FedEx during the Chiefs game, but they already gave Snyder their money. It is like when Charlie Sheen told that guy in Detroit who told him the show sucked "Hey bro, I already have your $$$$$$$!" All these fuckers have to do is to get some new high profile players and make some noise off the field, and voila instant ticket sales. Snyder and Jones are fucking geniuses, and probably are laughing their asses off at how stupid people are continuing to support them. Until their bottom line is severely affected, they don't give a damn about winning. Oh yeah, they say they do, but they don't. They just want you to think they do.

Gus. Clearly that head butt is still affecting you as these posts are barely coherent. You don't even sound like you like football, much less the Redakins. We are obviously all frustrated, but to say that RGIII sucks or that none of the owners cares about winning seem equally untethered to reality. Give our QB a line that doesn't get him sacked 5 times per game and hit twice as often, more than 1 decent receiver, and competent play calling, and I am confident he'd be better than a middle of the road QB, which is better than we have had in DC in decades. And if you think that the owners don't want to win which, but the way makes them more money, I think you are quite mistaken.

Having said all of this, everyone in Redskins park needs to shut up, man up, and just play football. How about taking out some of the frustration on the Falcons? Get pissed. Do something.

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I agree with Gus on the issue that Snyder doesn't appear to care about winning.

I was talking with a friend at work about FedEx field being empty by half time. I told him i hoped that the rest of the games would be that way, and he told me "Snyder already has the money. the tickets are already sold out".

I believe too that if people stopped coming to the games (unlikely), and if merchandise sales went down (very unlikely), Snyder would have a new appreciation for what it takes to be in the NFL.

It's tough for us fans, all of us, because we want to win and it seems like the few times we've been in the playoffs the last couple of years (99, 2005, 2007, 2012) have been because of a lucky schedule and a fluke series of wins, etc.. We want to be that franchise like others that are competitive and consistently in the playoffs....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1047933]I agree with Gus on the issue that Snyder doesn't appear to care about winning.

I was talking with a friend at work about FedEx field being empty by half time. I told him i hoped that the rest of the games would be that way, and he told me "Snyder already has the money. the tickets are already sold out".

I believe too that if people stopped coming to the games (unlikely), and if merchandise sales went down (very unlikely), Snyder would have a new appreciation for what it takes to be in the NFL.

It's tough for us fans, all of us, because we want to win and it seems like the few times we've been in the playoffs the last couple of years (99, 2005, 2007, 2012) have been because of a lucky schedule and a fluke series of wins, etc.. We want to be that franchise like others that are competitive and consistently in the playoffs....[/quote]

From my perspective, I think its irrelevant whether owners care about winning or not. I think a lot of owners of very successful franchises only care about making money.

Now the problem with Snyder is if he is involved with football decisions, it needs to stop immediately, whether he cares about winning or not.

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[quote=donofriose;1047935]From my perspective, I think its irrelevant whether owners care about winning or not. I think a lot of owners of very successful franchises only care about making money.

Now the problem with Snyder is if he is involved with football decisions, it needs to stop immediately, whether he cares about winning or not.[/quote]

Personally I think DS is the biggest reason that this organization is disfunctional but one thing I dont doubt is his desire to win.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1047918]Meanwhile....back in Shanahan's office at Redskins Park.



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That can't be Mike's office, it's missing both notebooks and the iPad.

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The latest.

[QUOTE]According to NBC 4 in Washington D.C., Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan is the driving force behind his father, head coach Mike Shanahan wanting out.

There’s reason to believe that Kyle Shanahan is what is driving Mike Shanahan to want out as head coach of the Washington Redskins, a couple of strong sources within the organization told News4 Sports.

Kyle Shanahan’s role in the organization as offensive coordinator may be putting the head coach in a position where he has to choose between his son and his job.

Sources told us that the coach is not being fired Tuesday and will be at practice Wednesday when the team begins work for Sunday’s game against the Atlanta Falcons.

It sounds like Kyle doesn’t like the direction his offense is going into with Robert Griffin III under center.

Former Redskin Chris Cooley told CBS Sports radio tonight that he believes Mike Shanahan is ready to cut ties with RG3. If this is true, I’m sure Kyle is the reason why he no longer wants Griffin as his quarterback.

This would also explain why Mike Shanahan may end up going with Kirk Cousins as his starter for the remainder of the season.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/report_kyle_shanahan_is_the_reason_mike_shanahan_wants_out_in_washington_dc/15280079?linksrc=story_team_washington_redskins_auto_module_head_15280079]Report: Kyle Shanahan is the reason Mike Shanahan wants out in Washington D.C.[/url]

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I'll say again, I believe the coaching staff is asking RG3 to be more of a pocket passer. I'm betting it's MS who is pushing for this and KS does not like the fact his mobile QB and read option scheme is being tweaked to MS's scheme. Maybe MS is seeing that RG3 is not running his system well enough and would rather have Cousins who is a pocket passer.

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24372066/report-mike-shanahan-leaning-towards-starting-kirk-cousins]Report: Mike Shanahan leaning towards starting Kirk Cousins - CBSSports.com[/url]


The debacle continues.

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this has all gotten so out of hand.

when the smoke clears.. what EXACTLY are we looking at this offseason???
RG3 had that brace all year, no camp, threw himself in the fire, no help, if he leaves hes winning somewhere else.

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I just dont wanna see a great player leave this team. Without good reason like stinking it up in year 3 no brace ready to rock 100% with even a new weapon.

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I don't understand how mike Shanahan thinks he's ever going to get another job after this. He's coming off looking like a irrational dick.

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[url]https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/statuses/410757745428541441[/url]
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"Thinking inside Redskins building today is that Shanahan is going w Cousins unless RG3 is able to convince him otherwise"[/I]

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Just heard cousins is starting Sunday.

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[quote=RedskinMike;1047970]Just heard cousins is starting Sunday.[/quote]

He is. But let's say wait until the official announcement from the team and we'll start a new thread about it

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[quote=SBXVII;1047960]I'll say again, I believe the coaching staff is asking RG3 to be more of a pocket passer. I'm betting it's MS who is pushing for this and KS does not like the fact his mobile QB and read option scheme is being tweaked to MS's scheme. Maybe MS is seeing that RG3 is not running his system well enough and would rather have Cousins who is a pocket passer.[/quote]

You're getting Kyle and Mike mixed up