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[quote=SmootSmack;1096276]Mike agreed to that trade very reluctantly[/quote]

Let me take a wild guess and say that Kyle wanted no part of it?


So you telling me it was lil Danny pushing Mike on that trade?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096275]Jay still has a lot of faith in Kirk. The way Jay feels about RG3 is the way I feel about Kirk, and vice versa

He likes Colt a lot but not as the long term answer. Who knows, maybe he'll surprise[/quote]

Danny just gotta love this.

still think if rg3 goes we need to bring in someone at qb to throw in the mix. If not free agency, then gotta believe we would look mid round in the draft.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096276]Mike agreed to that trade very reluctantly[/quote]

Ok so my memory wasnt too far off. The bottom line is that Shanny wasnt sold on RG.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096276]Mike agreed to that trade very reluctantly[/quote]

I guess mike would have rather stayed put and drafted tannehill?

Sucks the owner is still kinda making the draft decisions, especially if bruce was suspect of rg3 all along.

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[url=http://www.thewarpath.net/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=501]Warpath - View Poll Results[/url]

the Poll of who liked and didnt like the trade at the time it was made.

193 for

18 against

Almost every poster sd we gave up way too much.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1096277]Let me take a wild guess and say that Kyle wanted no part of it?


So you telling me it was lil Danny pushing Mike on that trade?[/quote]

Kyle wanted Manning and Tannehill/Foles to develop behind him

Mike liked Cousins

Both liked RG3 but did not want to mortgage so much for him

People in the organization pushed Snyder hard (and he in turn pushed Shanny) on the idea that RG3 would be great for the team on the field...but perhaps more importantly off the field

But how many times have I told you there are non-football people in the organization with way too much influence over what football decisions the team makes

This is better than it's been, but it's still a major, major issue

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1096233]Its funny that people can say Cousins deserves the shot because other QBs threw picks too. Yet, Colt cannot have that same comparison? Why because hes 3 years older? He is 28. Not 38.



Hes been through the shit at Cleveland and had his bumps. I just think people are brushing him aside and forgetting hes 2-0.



Its about winning. What happens if Colt wins 4 straight? Maybe im playing devil advocate here[/QUOTE]


He's 2-0 mainly because Garçon made a huge play against Tennessee and the D pressured the heck outta Romo all night long.

He's adequate enough to do what's asked within the offense he's just not a guy that can carry things. He's a backup not a long term answer.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096282]Kyle wanted Manning and Tannehill/Foles to develop behind him

Mike liked Cousins

Both liked RG3 but did not want to mortgage so much for him

People in the organization pushed Snyder hard (and he in turn pushed Shanny) on the idea that RG3 would be great for the team on the field...but perhaps more importantly off the field

But how many times have I told you there are non-football people in the organization with way too much influence over what football decisions the team makes

This is better than it's been, but it's still a major, major issue[/quote]

Well is their any chance after this cluster f$ck that Snyder finally realizes these non football folks need to shut the eff up or are fired?

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[quote=over the mountain;1096281][url=http://www.thewarpath.net/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=501]Warpath - View Poll Results[/url]

the Poll of who liked and didnt like the trade at the time it was made.

193 for

18 against

Almost every poster sd we gave up way too much.[/quote]

I was one of the 18, who said to draft Russell Wilson or Foles. DO I get a cookie?

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a strong case can be made to start either cousins or colt at this point.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096275]Jay still has a lot of faith in Kirk. The way Jay feels about RG3 is the way I feel about Kirk, and vice versa

He likes Colt a lot but not as the long term answer. Who knows, maybe he'll surprise[/quote]

Ok now I'm totes lost. Jay likes Kirk (longterm?) but will start Colt for now? That doesn't make sense. If Kirk is the next best hope, wouldn't you want him to get the reps and time?

Maybe Jay doesn't know what the hell he's doing...

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was anyone else watching the terps game last night and then saw this huge red banner scroll across the bottom of their TV saying "NFL ALERT: Robert Griffin III blah blah blah ..."

the font was 3 times the size of the normal scrolling banner font.

I thought for sure a current well-known nfl player was shot and killed.

but no, it was just about the 3-8 skins decision as to who would start on sunday in a meaningless game ...

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I wonder how much influence Jon gruden has with Jay in this cluster of a situation. Gotta believe he is advising Jay, Jon really seemed to like Kirk cousin a whole lot in the past.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1096285]I was one of the 18, who said to draft Russell Wilson or Foles. DO I get a cookie?[/quote]

if you said to draft wilson, you get a huge cookie from papa johns.

to be honest, when i saw how busted russell wilson's clingon girlfriend looked during the live shot of his reaction to being drafted ... i immediately questioned his decision making ability.



**clingon refers to how clingy she looked, making sure any future women saw she had her hooks in him ... not a star trek ref. she might as well licked his face.

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[quote=Mattyk;1096283]He's 2-0 mainly because Garçon made a huge play against Tennessee and the D pressured the heck outta Romo all night long.

He's adequate enough to do what's asked within the offense he's just not a guy that can carry things. He's a backup not a long term answer.[/quote]

Also... people are forgetting how God-awful our offense looked in the first half of that Dallas game...

The 4th quarter, 2 drives, and a win make Colt look incredible... but again, I say... He had 1 whole touchdown and 1 interception in 2 games played...

The only Redskins QB to light up the scoreboard and hit DeSean deep this year is Cousins... I believe that Colt is starting because Jay HATES, I mean strongly HATES turnovers by his QB... and Colt will be a game manager who won't lose the game... but Cousins moves this offense and puts more points up than any other QB we have

Also... I think it's Colt over Cousins right now because Jay thinks Colt gives us the best chance to win right at this moment... and he feels like he NEEDS the wins. Us fans don't mind losing from here on to get that great high draft pick (that we will just waste... ha)...

but Jay is in his first Head Coaching job in the NFL, trying to live up to his brother's legacy, and sitting at 3-8... so I guess I understand why Colt... but man, I still say Cousins is the best move for the next 5 games to get clear gauge on the future... let's say it's yours from here out... no pressure... and see how he plays...

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[quote=Rotten1980;1096287]Ok now I'm totes lost. Jay likes Kirk (longterm?) but will start Colt for now? That doesn't make sense. If Kirk is the next best hope, wouldn't you want him to get the reps and time?

Maybe Jay doesn't know what the hell he's doing...[/quote]

I think that he feels Kirk needs to sit and learn right now and start fresh with him next off season.

I totally get your point though.

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[quote=Chico23231;1096284]Well is their any chance after this cluster f$ck that Snyder finally realizes these non football folks need to shut the eff up or are fired?[/quote]

Every time Snyder gets rid of friends, he just replaces them with other friends

He needs to hire people that basically don't like him and don't care what he thinks. Guys like, oh I don't know, Marty Schottenheimer

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096293]Every time Snyder gets rid of friends, he just replaces them with other friends

He needs to hire people that basically don't like him and don't care what he thinks. Guys like, oh I don't know, Marty Schottenheimer[/quote]

Does Jay Gruden fit the latter description?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096293]Every time Snyder gets rid of friends, he just replaces them with other friends

He needs to hire people that basically don't like him and don't care what he thinks. Guys like, oh I don't know, Marty Schottenheimer[/quote]

Endless cycle. Aren't him and bruce basically drinking buddies? This franchise...

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[quote=over the mountain;1096281][url=http://www.thewarpath.net/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=501]Warpath - View Poll Results[/url]

the Poll of who liked and didnt like the trade at the time it was made.

193 for

18 against

Almost every poster sd we gave up way too much.[/quote]

I'm on that list of the "yes" but that poll isn't as cut and dry. You can approve of the trade due to the player, but not the value they gave up. I clearly have stated repeatedly that it was too much to give for one player that wasn't a sure thing, and that I would have never made that trade. If RGIII were at the spot we were originally, I would have been ecstatic about selecting him due to his potential.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1096292]I think that he feels Kirk needs to sit and learn right now and start fresh with him next off season.



I totally get your point though.[/QUOTE]


Makes sense, his confidence was clearly shot.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;1096291]Also... people are forgetting how God-awful our offense looked in the first half of that Dallas game...

The 4th quarter, 2 drives, and a win make Colt look incredible... but again, I say... He had 1 whole touchdown and 1 interception in 2 games played...

The only Redskins QB to light up the scoreboard and hit DeSean deep this year is Cousins... I believe that Colt is starting because [B]Jay HATES, I mean strongly HATES turnovers by his QB[/B]... and Colt will be a game manager who won't lose the game... but Cousins moves this offense and puts more points up than any other QB we have

Also... I think it's Colt over Cousins right now because Jay thinks Colt gives us the best chance to win right at this moment... and he feels like he NEEDS the wins. Us fans don't mind losing from here on to get that great high draft pick (that we will just waste... ha)...

but Jay is in his first Head Coaching job in the NFL, trying to live up to his brother's legacy, and sitting at 3-8... so I guess I understand why Colt... but man, I still say Cousins is the best move for the next 5 games to get clear gauge on the future... let's say it's yours from here out... no pressure... and see how he plays...[/quote]

i agree with all that you said. I think given the choice - cousins long ball alone compared to colt should make him the starter and i couldnt figure out why colt was getting the nod until you said what i bolded ...

i think you are spot on .. its all about the turnovers. with this team, our margin for victory is nominal .. in jay's pressers lately he has been harping on turning around our horrendous turnover ratio ... i think cousins could benefit from playing here now but jay HATES turnovers so he goes with colt .. .

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[quote=Chico23231;1096295]Endless cycle. Aren't him and bruce basically drinking buddies? This franchise...[/quote]

They're definitely better friends than Dan and Vinny ever were

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[quote=NC_Skins;1096296]I'm on that list of the "yes" but that poll isn't as cut and dry. You can approve of the trade due to the player, but not the value they gave up. I clearly have stated repeatedly that it was too much to give for one player that wasn't a sure thing, and that I would have never made that trade. If RGIII were at the spot we were originally, I would have been ecstatic about selecting him due to his potential.[/quote]

i think you are right. a ton of people voted yes .... and a ton of those same posters thought it was way too much at the same time.

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Also a psychic:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/46918-redskins-agree-trade-no-2-overall-9.html#post894504[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096299]They're definitely better friends than Dan and Vinny ever were[/quote]

I don't know how DS ever made money in any business. Did he surround himself with lackeys and yes men every where he goes? That seems like a recipe for disaster.

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[quote=Chico23231;1096262]Live noon sports center lead with pictures of all 8 rams players that were traded for rg3. I almost went hulk style on my 47 inch tv. Just wanted to rip it off the wall and through it out my bay window[/quote]

Been following the NFL for 45 years, it seems to me almost every time the team trading multiple picks for a player comes out the big loser. Someone show an example of the opposite where a player was well worth multiple high draft picks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096282]Kyle wanted Manning and Tannehill/Foles to develop behind him

Mike liked Cousins

Both liked RG3 but did not want to mortgage so much for him

People in the organization pushed Snyder hard (and he in turn pushed Shanny) on the idea that RG3 would be great for the team on the field...but perhaps more importantly off the field

But how many times have I told you there are non-football people in the organization with way too much influence over what football decisions the team makes

This is better than it's been, but it's still a major, major issue[/quote]

What non football are you talking about? Is it Snyder's minority partners? Schar or Fred Smith? Tanya Snyder? Lol.

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[quote=over the mountain;1096281][url=http://www.thewarpath.net/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=501]Warpath - View Poll Results[/url]

the Poll of who liked and didnt like the trade at the time it was made.

193 for

18 against

Almost every poster sd we gave up way too much.[/quote]

Lol, myself, SFredskin and Irish, the grumps around here were in the 8 percent.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096293]Every time Snyder gets rid of friends, he just replaces them with other friends

He needs to hire people that basically don't like him and don't care what he thinks. Guys like, oh I don't know, Marty Schottenheimer[/quote]

Hey are these the same people leaking stuff?

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Kirk > Colt > RG

Ok with the move for the rest of this year, but I'd like to see Kirk get a real shot next year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1096304]What non football are you talking about? Is it Snyder's minority partners? Schar or Fred Smith? Tanya Snyder? Lol.[/quote]

LOL. Schar is definitely an influential guy. More so marketing and biz ops guys

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[quote=Chico23231;1096308]Hey are these the same people leaking stuff?[/quote]

There are 3 people that I know are media sources. I wouldn't classify and of them as friends of Snyder

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Edit: Late as f.

Also still remains as true as ever: Eff Dan Snyder.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096311]There are 3 people that I know are media sources. I wouldn't classify and of them as friends of Snyder[/quote]

Hi Smoot.

What do you believe the motives are of these people that leak stories? I can't imagine what their incentive is.

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[quote=Mattyk;1096223]He was on pace to lead the league in picks... no idea how quickly people forget.[/quote]

No one forgets. At this point i guess you just stop caring because the circus is in full swing and kirk has looked > Robert.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096258]They'll do all they can to trade him this off season is what I've most recently heard[/quote]

Do they see Cousins as the future and that they and fix his issues or is it true that Gurden really liked Colt coming out and thye will run with him, that is provided they can trade Robert.

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Trade Robert? To the CFL?

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[quote=Chico23231;1096280]I guess mike would have rather stayed put and drafted tannehill?

Sucks the owner is still kinda making the draft decisions, especially if bruce was suspect of rg3 all along.[/quote]

If I remember correctly Shanny came out after the draft and said he was going to take Russell Wilson with the pick he took Cousins with had he been there, so we would have taken Wilson at some point.

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According to Keim, the question was asked to Michael Silver (ESPN) what kind of pick RGIII would fetch. The answer was 5th or 6th rounder. Keep him!!