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Gruden can stay but Gruden sucks. You will eventually see.

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[quote=punch it in;1097318]RG-3 put up 6,7,and 13 points in three of his starts. Thats going to bring down the curve alittle bit. You and Gary need to relax. There is nooooo waaaay in hell that Gruden is getting canned after this year is up. Not even the slightest chance.


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I don't know why you're stuck on RG?? Articles today discussed how bad the offense was yesterday without RG, and there was plenty of chatting here too.

Grudens bad showing on offense yesterday had nothing to do with RG. The offense was horrible through most of the first half. We moved the ball well in the second half but yards don't equal points and between stupid playcalls and obvious lack of preparation we put up a measly 27 points against the worst RZ defense in pro football.

Out of curiosity did you want Zorn back for a 2nd year? And do you realize Gruden has more talent to work with here but still worse results than Zorn?

When you look at Gruden in cincy, he needed a ton of talent to get results, but always fucked it up in the big games, mostly by getting cute with pass plays instead of pounding the run that got him ahead in the first place.

I'm at a total loss what folks see in Gruden. But as an HC he deserves these last four games to show whether he can be a leader.

The everything Gruden thread
 

[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1097326]I don't know why you're stuck on RG?? Articles today discussed how bad the offense was yesterday without RG, and there was plenty of chatting here too.



Grudens bad showing on offense yesterday had nothing to do with RG. The offense was horrible through most of the first half. We moved the ball well in the second half but yards don't equal points and between stupid playcalls and obvious lack of preparation we put up a measly 27 points against the worst RZ defense in pro football.



Out of curiosity did you want Zorn back for a 2nd year? And do you realize Gruden has more talent to work with here but still worse results than Zorn?



When you look at Gruden in cincy, he needed a ton of talent to get results, but always fucked it up in the big games, mostly by getting cute with pass plays instead of pounding the run that got him ahead in the first place.



I'm at a total loss what folks see in Gruden. But as an HC he deserves these last four games to show whether he can be a leader.[/QUOTE]


Denver and Manning put up 31 points against this horrible D as opposed to our measly 27.
Philly put up 30 as opposed to our measly 27.
Baltimore a good team put up 13 as opposed to our measly 27.
Cincy and all of that ton of talent that you are referring to put up 0 as opposed once again to our measly 27. Wasnt it you that said that points are the only offensive stat that matter? So which is it?
Only four teams all year have put up more points against them that we did. Two of them by 4 and 3 - and those are two of the more prolific offenses in the game!
But dont let the facts get in the way.
Edit: not to mention that Denver Houston and Pitt all got them at home - we played them in the dome. Id say thats worth a few points and you could argue that points wise we gave their D as big a handful as any other team has this year.

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Please!!! Stop it with your facts you.......Zorn apologist!!
CAST him out like those that have gone before him..it is the only way.

The everything Gruden thread
 

[QUOTE=Hog1;1097330]Please!!! Stop it with your facts you.......Zorn apologist!!

CAST him out like those that have gone before him..it is the only way.[/QUOTE]


I dont always state the facts, but when I do I stay medium.
Stay medium my friends.

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It's like we're watching different games. The one I saw our offense left 18 points on the field. Offense couldn't answer when it needed to and Indy was in control all game long.

Same same, I have no idea what you're seeing out there. Can we all agree it needs to improve??

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1097332]It's like we're watching different games. The one I saw our offense left 18 points on the field. Offense couldn't answer when it needed to and Indy was in control all game long.



Same same, I have no idea what you're seeing out there. Can we all agree it needs to improve??[/QUOTE]


Something tells me Manning, Chip Kelly, and Especially that talent laden Cincy team left some points on the board too. Who cares if we scored the damn points from the redzone on a turnover or from our own 1?

Of course it needs to improve. It has needed to improve for twenty years. Obviously firing head coaches one after the other is not the answer. As I said before no matter what happens these last few games, Jay is going nowhere. Relax, and lets see where a full compliment of draft picks plus cap money, and a new DC bring us. Those three things we can bank on.



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As much as I disagree with the handling of RGIII and the non existent game prep vs TB, I still feel that he has a lot of potential.

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[quote=tc2deuce;1097334]As much as I disagree with the handling of RGIII and the non existent game prep vs TB, I still feel that he has a lot of potential.[/quote]

As a wide receiver.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

Gruden is a rookie Head coach. There is going to be growing pains. If we chose to get rid of him after one year. Well, it shows that this franchise will never learn to mold its own franchise and the win now attitude will never go away. Ill find another team after twenty years of loyal watching. Never missing a snap no matter the score.

I just cant continue to watch this fanbase and it staff cripple its legacy with this "go out and get this guy" approach if plan A doesnt work after 12 weeks in.

So I hope Gruden stays for 2-3 more years.

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This fanbase and Dan Snyder deserve each other. They are so much alike it's not even funny.


The only coach who's truly been out of his league has been Zorn.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1097312]Giants or Patriots would. Gruden is no Jimmy Johnson.[/quote]

Bill Belichick: 5-11 first year. Was not fired.

Tom Coughlin: 6-10 first year. Not fired.

Jimmy Johnson: 1-15 first year. Not fired.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1097323]Gruden can stay but Gruden sucks. You will eventually see.[/quote]

Why?
Beacause we are all stupid and beneath you and you are a soothsayer?

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1097323]Gruden can stay but Gruden sucks. You will eventually see.[/quote]

so you actively rooting against your team?

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[quote=tc2deuce;1097334]As much as I disagree with the handling of RGIII and the non existent game prep vs TB, I still feel that he has a lot of potential.[/quote]

I agree and wouldnt let him go this offseason. I still think he can put it together...I think staying healthy and just continue working.

I think a good humbling experience can be great for people. He was drafted partially on his high character and being coachable so based on that, Im not ready to give up on him.

The bottomline for me will be not winning the job coming into next season. No sense in trading him, you wont get anything for him.

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Stop blaming the fan base! We're just like any other fan base and we don't influence Dan Snyder's decisions.

Hold on just a second and I'll test out your "The Fan Base Is To Blame" theory.

Dear Dan Snyder: I say you should fire Jay Gruden because of the loss to the Colts.

Wait, Dan Snyder just responded.

Dear KI: **** you! I'm not firing anybody because some dumb ass fan said I should.

See?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1097372]This fanbase and Dan Snyder deserve each other. They are so much alike it's not even funny.


The only coach who's truly been out of his league has been Zorn.[/quote]

The problem is that Dan Snyder and his invisible cronies act like fans rather than rational football people. And they, sadly, are holding the reins.

These people hold everyone - coaches, players, and fans alike - hostage.

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Rabble rabble rabble!!

Snyder has shown pretty remarkable restraint. You hear other owners/franchises leak when a coach is failing as Gruden has to put them on notice, but nothing from Snyder. He's stayed totally professional.

These last four games should tell the story. The next game is a must win, the Rams. If Gruden continues to field an unprepared team/offense that can't put more than 2 quarters of pro football together, nobody should blame Snyder for finding another HC after the season. Why? Because solid HC's are found every damn season, even by historically bad franchises.

Hopefully we destroy the Rams!! Even though we're out of the playoffs I feel like this is the most important game of the season.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1097390]Rabble rabble rabble!!

Snyder has shown pretty remarkable restraint. You hear other owners/franchises leak when a coach is failing as Gruden has to put them on notice, but nothing from Snyder. He's stayed totally professional.

These last four games should tell the story. The next game is a must win, the Rams. If Gruden continues to field an unprepared team/offense that can't put more than 2 quarters of pro football together, nobody should blame Snyder for finding another HC after the season. Why? Because solid HC's are found every damn season, even by historically bad franchises.

Hopefully we destroy the Rams!! Even though we're out of the playoffs I feel like this is the most important game of the season.[/quote]

No one is buying crazy on the warpath.

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[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1097390]Rabble rabble rabble!!



Snyder has shown pretty remarkable restraint. You hear other owners/franchises leak when a coach is failing as Gruden has to put them on notice, but nothing from Snyder. He's stayed totally professional.



These last four games should tell the story. The next game is a must win, the Rams. If Gruden continues to field an unprepared team/offense that can't put more than 2 quarters of pro football together, nobody should blame Snyder for finding another HC after the season. Why? Because solid HC's are found every damn season, even by historically bad franchises.



Hopefully we destroy the Rams!! Even though we're out of the playoffs I feel like this is the most important game of the season.[/QUOTE]


How are you going to root for the Skins and for Gruden to be fired?


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[quote=Rotten1980;1097390]Rabble rabble rabble!!

Snyder has shown pretty remarkable restraint. You hear other owners/franchises leak when a coach is failing as Gruden has to put them on notice, but nothing from Snyder. He's stayed totally professional.

These last four games should tell the story. The next game is a must win, the Rams. If Gruden continues to field an unprepared team/offense that can't put more than 2 quarters of pro football together, nobody should blame Snyder for finding another HC after the season. Why? Because solid HC's are found every damn season, even by historically bad franchises.

Hopefully we destroy the Rams!! Even though we're out of the playoffs I feel like this is the most important game of the season.[/quote]

Please stop! Jay Gruden is not going to be fired after 1 year.. To think he should be is truley moranic.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1097264]If we can't trade him him I'd keep and make him ride the pine until his contract is up....[/quote]

[url=http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_14175485453476&key=3c1074125499a575d1122710576a769d&libId=13867080-4f27-4746-9163-1aef01984be5&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thewarpath.net%2Fredskins-locker-room%2F59982-the-everything-gruden-thread-8.html&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chicagotribune.com%2Fsports%2Fbreaking%2Fchi-report-redskins-to-part-with-robert-griffin-iii-after-season-20141130-story.html&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thewarpath.net%2Fredskins-locker-room%2F59982-the-everything-gruden-thread-9.html&title=The%20everything%20Gruden%20thread%20-%20Page%208%20-%20Warpath&txt=Report%3A%20Redskins%20to%20part%20with%20Robert%20Griffin%20III%20after%20season%20-%20Chicago%20Tribune]Report: Redskins to part with Robert Griffin III after season - Chicago Tribune[/url]

I guess this means Gary84Clark wont't be trolling this site next year.. That's just another plus for a quick seperation from RG3.

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That was posted yesterday, old news buddy.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1097390]Rabble rabble rabble!!

Snyder has shown pretty remarkable restraint. You hear other owners/franchises leak when a coach is failing as Gruden has to put them on notice, but nothing from Snyder. He's stayed totally professional.

These last four games should tell the story. The next game is a must win, the Rams. If Gruden continues to field an unprepared team/offense that can't put more than 2 quarters of pro football together, nobody should blame Snyder for finding another HC after the season. Why? Because solid HC's are found every damn season, even by historically bad franchises.

Hopefully we destroy the Rams!! Even though we're out of the playoffs I feel like this is the most important game of the season.[/quote]

If not putting out negative messages about a coach after only 12 games is "remarkable restraint," I'd hate to see what true patience looks like.

If pushing to have RGIII play when neither coach nor many players think he is ready is "remarkable restraint," I'd hate to see what true patience looks like.

SnyderCroniesAllen is (note the singular) more problem than solution.

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[quote=Brody81;1097393]Please stop! Jay Gruden is not going to be fired after 1 year.. To think he should be is truley moranic.[/quote]

Yeah. I have questioned Gruden through out the season, but stop well short of firing him after one season.

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[url=http://riggosrag.com/2014/12/02/grading-jay-gruden-washington-redskins-coaching/]Grading Jay Gruden and the Washington Redskins Coaching[/url]

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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1097406][url=http://riggosrag.com/2014/12/02/grading-jay-gruden-washington-redskins-coaching/]Grading Jay Gruden and the Washington Redskins Coaching[/url][/quote]

Another Bleacher Report. Zero facts based reporting

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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1097406][url=http://riggosrag.com/2014/12/02/grading-jay-gruden-washington-redskins-coaching/]Grading Jay Gruden and the Washington Redskins Coaching[/url][/quote]

Spot on write up. Gruden's love affair with the passing attack was a problem back in Cincy and even more with our Skins, given the oline's shitty pass protection and above average run blocking.

Still cringe thinking about Gruden calling a pass on that 4th and short, fucking facepalm.

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and yet Morris is 107 yds from 1000 yds. And #7 on the yardage list. With 70 more yards than Matt Forte and 9 more carries, in fact he is #5 in number of carries.

I think the lack of redzone production skews fan perspective on our offense, but we have been a good offense, even with several stinker games (and 1 blowout the other way). All this with a below average RT, a 3 headed rotational QB system, and a TE that is out every other game.

It just seems to me that this has been a shakeout year. I was full of koolaid early on, but this year has been, like many first year coaches have, a year to sort out who Gruden will base his future on. My hopes are, like many others, he will fire Haslett, and get a real RT, and some safeties. Only time will tell.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=Rotten1980;1097410]Spot on write up. Gruden's love affair with the passing attack was a problem back in Cincy and even more with our Skins, given the oline's shitty pass protection and above average run blocking.

Still cringe thinking about Gruden calling a pass on that 4th and short, fucking facepalm.[/quote]I don't suppose the Shanahans were called a problem for calling this play, with the same problems on our OL.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000099331/RG3-to-Paul-29-yard-TD]Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III to Niles Paul 29-yard TD - NFL Videos[/url]

(edited to be nicer.)

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[quote=HailGreen28;1097413]Fucking facepalm on stupid comments here. I don't suppose the Shanahans were called a problem for calling this play, with the same problems on our OL.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000099331/RG3-to-Paul-29-yard-TD]Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III to Niles Paul 29-yard TD - NFL Videos[/url][/quote]

Lol that was 3rd down and deep in their territory, so like, nothing similar. Chill out girl!!

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[quote=Rotten1980;1097414]Lol that was 3rd down and deep in their territory, so like, nothing similar. Chill out girl!![/quote]Child, if you want to facepalm on a short yardage situation, facepalm on the play I just showed you. Same concept, just in case it eluded you.

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[quote=Chico23231;1097382]I agree and wouldnt let him go this offseason. I still think he can put it together...I think staying healthy and just continue working.

I think a good humbling experience can be great for people. He was drafted partially on his high character and being coachable so based on that, Im not ready to give up on him.

The bottomline for me will be not winning the job coming into next season. No sense in trading him, you wont get anything for him.[/quote]

I want him to stay and believe he has so much untapped potential, but he's had back to back coaches who have basically shown no faith in him.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1097412]and yet Morris is 107 yds from 1000 yds. And #7 on the yardage list. With 70 more yards than Matt Forte and 9 more carries, in fact he is #5 in number of carries.

I think the lack of redzone production skews fan perspective on our offense, but we have been a good offense, even with several stinker games (and 1 blowout the other way). All this with a below average RT, a 3 headed rotational QB system, and a TE that is out every other game.

It just seems to me that this has been a shakeout year. I was full of koolaid early on, but this year has been, like many first year coaches have, a year to sort out who Gruden will base his future on. My hopes are, like many others, he will fire Haslett, and get a real RT, and some safeties. Only time will tell.[/quote]

Get out of here with your facts and stats backing up your claims. We don't tolerate yer kind round here.

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[quote=Chico23231;1097382]I agree and wouldnt let him go this offseason. I still think he can put it together...I think staying healthy and just continue working.

I think a good humbling experience can be great for people. He was drafted partially on his high character and being coachable so based on that, Im not ready to give up on him.

The bottomline for me will be not winning the job coming into next season. No sense in trading him, you wont get anything for him.[/quote]

Steve Young gave an absolutely awesome interview on the sports fix about his evolution from runner to pocket passer and how much work it took. He essentially said it is like going to law school or graduate school. He put in countless hours on his own, outside practice, and outside the organization learning football.

He said he relied on his speed and talent to get by without truly learning the game. Credited Shanny for tying his legs together during practice to develop his skills.

So much so that his reads and decisions became as instinctual as much as they were conscious decisions.

He said he wasn't hating on Robert with his earlier comments (sounded like it to me though) but challenging him. Young said there were less than a handful of QBs on the level he is discussing.

It would be a dream come true if Griffin would put in the kind of work that Young is talking about this off season. He has the brains and the arm but I don't believe he has the ability to do an honest self evaluation.

I really wouldn't mind being totally wrong on him.

The everything Gruden thread
 

[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1097410]Spot on write up. Gruden's love affair with the passing attack was a problem back in Cincy and even more with our Skins, given the oline's shitty pass protection and above average run blocking.



Still cringe thinking about Gruden calling a pass on that 4th and short, fucking facepalm.[/QUOTE]


Oh your soooo short sighted. Its a passing league bro. Where have you been? Give the guy some time to make effin adjustments. Wow. Just wow.
Besides this our dang run game is not exactly non existent as you make it out to be.


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Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=Rotten1980;1097410]Spot on write up. Gruden's love affair with the passing attack was a problem back in Cincy and even more with our Skins, given the oline's shitty pass protection and above average run blocking.

Still cringe thinking about Gruden calling a pass on that 4th and short, fucking facepalm.[/quote]

Actually in Cinci his Bengals were near the top of the league each year in both rushes and rushing yards.

And, as CRedskinsRule so ably pointed out, we've put effort into running the ball this year. The perception that Gruden is overly pass-happy is just plain wrong, and the numbers show it.

If the pass on 4th and 1 had worked, and it could have, everyone would be hailing him as a genius today. It wasn't a bad play call, it was bad execution.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1097421]Actually in Cinci his Bengals were near the top of the league each year in both rushes and rushing yards.



And, as CRedskinsRule so ably pointed out, we've put effort into running the ball this year. The perception that Gruden is overly pass-happy is just plain wrong, and the numbers show it.



If the pass on 4th and 1 had worked, and it could have, everyone would be hailing him as a genius today. It wasn't a bad play call, it was bad execution.[/QUOTE]


Well its not his fault he posted that it is Grudens so.....either way


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[quote=DYoungJelly;1097418]Steve Young gave an absolutely awesome interview on the sports fix about his evolution from runner to pocket passer and how much work it took. He essentially said it is like going to law school or graduate school. He put in countless hours on his own, outside practice, and outside the organization learning football.

He said he relied on his speed and talent to get by without truly learning the game. Credited Shanny for tying his legs together during practice to develop his skills.

So much so that his reads and decisions became as instinctual as much as they were conscious decisions.

He said he wasn't hating on Robert with his earlier comments (sounded like it to me though) but challenging him. Young said there were less than a handful of QBs on the level he is discussing.

It would be a dream come true if Griffin would put in the kind of work that Young is talking about this off season. He has the brains and the arm but I don't believe he has the ability to do an honest self evaluation.

I really wouldn't mind being totally wrong on him.[/quote]

Steve Young was one of very few who made the transition into a QB first, over a runner. Randall Cunningham, who was a very good player before he went to Minnesota is maybe another one. Vince Young was a better college player than Griffin. Young won ROY but what happened after that? There are so many great college QB's that simply never made the jump.

To me the issue is Gruden. He wants to win now, run his offense and isn't patient enough to develop Griffin. Griffin may never develop and I'd say the chances are he never does. Griffin is probably the worst QB on the roster running this offense. What does that say that journeymen McCoy and 4th rounder Cousins runs the offense better than he does? It says he has a real long way to go and may never get there.

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I too feel that Gruden was making Griffin play his system as opposed to adapting to Griffin's strengths. That being said I felt Gruden wanted to hold Griffin out after the injury. Whether that was to give him time to heal or to develop the appropriate skills in practice I am not sure and regardless it never manifested that way.