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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1106993]Yeah why couldn't we have a coach that just works on pass rush.[/quote]

If we followed common sense, we wouldn't be the Redskins. We always have to reinvent the wheel despite the fact that we suck at making wheels.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1106994]Some non first round picks I would like if they were Redskins:

Jalen Collins CB, LSU
Duke Johnson RB, Miami
Maxx Williams TE, Minnesota
Shaq Thompson LB, Washington
Ameer Abdullah RB, Nebraska
T.J. Yeldon RB, Alabama
Gerod Holliman, S, Louisville
Jeremy Langford RB, Michigan St.
Nick O'Leary TE, Florida State[/quote]

I concur with Nick O'Leary.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1106994]Some non first round picks I would like if they were Redskins:

Jalen Collins CB, LSU
Duke Johnson RB, Miami
Maxx Williams TE, Minnesota
Shaq Thompson LB, Washington
Ameer Abdullah RB, Nebraska
T.J. Yeldon RB, Alabama
Gerod Holliman, S, Louisville
Jeremy Langford RB, Michigan St.
Nick O'Leary TE, Florida State[/quote]

Love watching Abdullah, but the fumbles are a huge problem. 23 over 4 years of starting, with 6 last year. If that's correctable, he'd be a great pick in the late 2nd or 3rd. First class person off the field too.

Mentioned Langford a few days ago. I'm a fan.

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Just a thought.

How realistic or unrealistic is the following starting offensive line:

Trent
Moses as LG
Corey back at center.
Long at RG
Scherff or Collins as 1st round draft pick at RT.

Cheapest way to get bigger faster without spending a ton in FA.

If Moses is athletic enough to play tackle he should be able to play guard and he is huge.

Lavau is a big guy but seemed to lack the drive off the ball his size would indicate.

Corey is small, but played well last year, stop gap for this year.

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What if Cameron Erving from FSU is there in round 2? Would you draft someone like Scherff in the 1st and Erving in the 2nd to make our OL instantly respectable?

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1107026]What if Cameron Erving from FSU is there in round 2? Would you draft someone like Scherff in the 1st and Erving in the 2nd to make our OL instantly respectable?[/quote]

no, Scherff is probably going to be great, however early 2nd round is to early for Erving....and where do you project him playing ?

FWIW Jason LaCanfora predicted the Redskins would have 11 picks in the draft

[I][B]I hope he is right[/B][/I]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107027]no, Scherff is probably going to be great, however early 2nd round is to early for Erving....and where do you project him playing ?

FWIW Jason LaCanfora predicted the Redskins would have 11 picks in the draft

[I][B]I hope he is right[/B][/I][/quote]

I think #5 pick is too early to take a RT...personally would draft a DL or OLB pass rusher with #5 pick. If they trade down in first all for taking a RT. McShay has Scherff high on his board but says struggle with pass protection and he would be better suited as a G. Likens him to Zach Martin, if that's the case no way at #5. But Scot will make the best decision I hope because that's all we ever have as Skins fans is offseason hope. Lol

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107027]no, Scherff is probably going to be great, however early 2nd round is to early for Erving....and where do you project him playing ?

FWIW Jason LaCanfora predicted the Redskins would have 11 picks in the draft

[I][B]I hope he is right[/B][/I][/quote]

JLC just gave us the kiss of death. We will probably have 2 picks now, the league will take the other five for deflategate because they can't punish the Patriots because Kraft sez so.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1107032]JLC just gave us the kiss of death. We will probably have 2 picks now, the league will take the other five for deflategate because they can't punish the Patriots because Kraft sez so.[/quote]
What are you talking about?

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Williams or Fowler at 5 would change this defense. Or trade back and grab Shelton or Collins. The talent isnt there in my opinion at other positions to go a direction other than Dline or Oline in the top half of the draft which'll make fans happy .

How would you guys feel about Marcus Peters at the top of the second?

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[quote=keemarley;1107263]Williams or Fowler at 5 would change this defense. Or trade back and grab Shelton or Collins. The talent isnt there in my opinion at other positions to go a direction other than Dline or Oline in the top half of the draft which'll make fans happy .

How would you guys feel about Marcus Peters at the top of the second?[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000424180/article/how-dismissal-affects-top-prospect-marcus-peters-draft-stock]How dismissal affects top prospect Marcus Peters' draft stock - NFL.com[/url]

I remember the name but forgot the story. Never saw him play, but the quick google research says he is the most talented cover guy in the draft, but probably carries just as much drama as Winston. Winston is going #1 overall, I would grab him no question in the second.

Says Marshawn Lynch is his mentor, of course I see that as another feather in his cap. Id take him

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Yup, hes an Oakland kid just like Lynch. Heard early in the process some teams might hold that relationship against him. Seems like most of Peters' problems have come from being overly competititive. Think him and Breeland could develop into a top flight cornerback duo.

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[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfFX9v8x6UA"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfFX9v8x6UA[/URL]

He doesn't seem so bad. If Marcus Peter is as good as they say, a corner tandem of Bashaud Breeland and Marcus Peter would transform our secondary.

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Man.. That'd be a good pick for me at the top of round 2... No doubt..

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Had a dream last night we drafted Bradon Schreff after we traded back in the first round...........also we traded for Andrew Luck somehow and gave him a ten year, 200 million dollar contract

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[quote=Chico23231;1107316]Had a dream last night we drafted Bradon Schreff after we traded back in the first round...........also we traded for Andrew Luck somehow and gave him a ten year, 200 million dollar contract[/quote]

Haha @ the Luck comment.

The more I think about this draft the more I think we should stay away from OLine in the first 3 rounds. I know this might get me killed on this board, but our top two picks should go to front 7 guys as that's where we'll get the best value unless one of those late first round dbs fall.

I really think Long and Moses will be servicable lineman. It's on our coaches and Qbs to put them in a position to look good.

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Mayocks Top Fives

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470108/article/mike-mayocks-position-rankings-for-2015-nfl-draft]Mike Mayock's position rankings for 2015 NFL Draft - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=keemarley;1107365]Haha @ the Luck comment.

The more I think about this draft the more I think we should stay away from OLine in the first 3 rounds. I know this might get me killed on this board, but our top two picks should go to front 7 guys as that's where we'll get the best value unless one of those late first round dbs fall.

I really think Long and Moses will be servicable lineman. It's on our coaches and Qbs to put them in a position to look good.[/quote] We're all entitled to our own opinion. No one here is a personnel expert. We're all just fans with our own opinions. However, I disagree with you about Long and Moses. I was never really high on Moses coming out of college. After watching him in limited snaps. I'm convinced that this guy will be a average RT at best. He couldn't beat out Polumbus or Compton. That should say it all. Spencer Long might turn into somebody. At this point, I really just don't know. He couldn't be any worse than Chris Chester.

I have concerns about both of these guys. They couldn't outplay Polumbus, Compton, and Chester. Both of these guys have had serious injuries thus far in their young careers. I'm not sure if Moses is going to be available for training camp. When these guys did get a chance to see the field neither one of them were impressive. I don't have any confidence in these guys.

The OL is just as important as the front seven. The offense will only be as good as the offensive line. Last year we couldn't run the ball without RG3 in the line up. Our OL in below average. The only way we're going to be a good line is if we put some good players on that OL. The pretenders that we have on our team right now will not get it done.

With that being said, I have no problem with investing the first three picks in the front seven. However, I don't believe for a second the guys we have right now on our OL is good enough to get the job done.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1107396]We're all entitled to our own opinion. No one here is a personnel expert. We're all just fans with our own opinions. However, I disagree with you about Long and Moses. I was never really high on Moses coming out of college. After watching him in limited snaps. I'm convinced that this guy will be a average RT at best. He couldn't beat out Polumbus or Compton. That should say it all. Spencer Long might turn into somebody. At this point, I really just don't know. He couldn't be any worse than Chris Chester.

I have concerns about both of these guys. They couldn't outplay Polumbus, Compton, and Chester. Both of these guys have had serious injuries thus far in their young careers. I'm not sure if Moses is going to be available for training camp. When these guys did get a chance to see the field neither one of them were impressive. I don't have any confidence in these guys.

The OL is just as important as the front seven. The offense will only be as good as the offensive line. Last year we couldn't run the ball without RG3 in the line up. Our OL in below average. The only way we're going to be a good line is if we put some good players on that OL. The pretenders that we have on our team right now will not get it done.

With that being said, I have no problem with investing the first three picks in the front seven. However, I don't believe for a second the guys we have right now on our OL is good enough to get the job done.[/quote]

Great points. We'll have to see how it turns out. I think the problem with Moses was fans viewed him as a day 1 starter. I don't think the staff ever anticipated that. If we're truly going to build through the draft we have to give our staff some room to coach up players and give those players time to grow. Whether or staff is competent is a whole other discussion haha

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1107396]We're all entitled to our own opinion. [B]No one here is a personnel expert. We're all just fans with our own opinions[/B]. However, I disagree with you about Long and Moses. I was never really high on Moses coming out of college. After watching him in limited snaps. I'm convinced that this guy will be a average RT at best. He couldn't beat out Polumbus or Compton. That should say it all. Spencer Long might turn into somebody. At this point, I really just don't know. He couldn't be any worse than Chris Chester.

I have concerns about both of these guys. They couldn't outplay Polumbus, Compton, and Chester. Both of these guys have had serious injuries thus far in their young careers. I'm not sure if Moses is going to be available for training camp. When these guys did get a chance to see the field neither one of them were impressive. I don't have any confidence in these guys.

The OL is just as important as the front seven. The offense will only be as good as the offensive line. Last year we couldn't run the ball without RG3 in the line up. Our OL in below average. The only way we're going to be a good line is if we put some good players on that OL. The pretenders that we have on our team right now will not get it done.

With that being said, I have no problem with investing the first three picks in the front seven. However, I don't believe for a second the guys we have right now on our OL is good enough to get the job done.[/quote]
Time here will make you see the....Gross error of those statements

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[quote=keemarley;1107398]Great points. We'll have to see how it turns out. I think the problem with Moses was fans viewed him as a day 1 starter. I don't think the staff ever anticipated that. If we're truly going to build through the draft we have to give our staff some room to coach up players and give those players time to grow. Whether or staff is competent is a whole other discussion haha[/quote]

IMO specific to this draft, if you got a top 5 pick as we do we you go front 7 no question about it. We have a great diverse pool of guys in the defensive front...and I think we could get a good OT in the second round.

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IMO this is what we should, we need workers who have the potential with some work to become good. If possible I would trade back twice in the first round and pick another 2nd & 3rd pick. We now have 5 picks in the first 100 picks with the right GM who we have we could get some real workers. We have to many holes to pick a so called SUPER STAR or Can't miss. Just my opinion and everyone has one.

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[quote=keemarley;1107398]Great points. We'll have to see how it turns out. I think the problem with Moses was fans viewed him as a day 1 starter. I don't think the staff ever anticipated that. If we're truly going to build through the draft we have to give our staff some room to coach up players and give those players time to grow. Whether or staff is competent is a whole other discussion haha[/quote]

You're absolutely right. I'm all for developing our young guys. That is why I stress that we be patient with RG3, Kirk Cousins, David Amerson, Jordan Reed, Philip Thomas, Trent Murphy, etc. In this up and coming draft we need to find those mid and late round gems. I'm confident that we got the right guy picking the players. I can't say the same thing about the guy coaching them.

I keep hearing people refer to Jay Gruden as a qb guru. Which is laughable because I can't think of not one good qb that he developed. Andy Dalton is a average qb with above average talent around him. Gruden was thoroughly out coached this year. The only reason I think he got the job was because he coach in Tampa Bay and his last name is Gruden. This man is Jim Zorn 2.0.

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Randy Gregory weighs in at 235...... no thanks at #5

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107733]Randy Gregory weighs in at 235...... no thanks at #5[/quote]

Because his weight means he can't play football.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107733]Randy Gregory weighs in at 235...... no thanks at #5[/quote]

He'd make a good safety at that weight. So my question would be how are you in coverage.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1107742]Because his weight means he can't play football.[/quote]

Gregory was reportedly 218 at some point last season- can you name a good NFL OLB that weighs 235 ?

[url=http://t.co/NSJmx92G1r]NFL Draft | Pauline: Gregory started training at 218 lbs - Rotoworld.com[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107745]Gregory was reportedly 218 at some point last season- can you name a good NFL OLB that weighs 235 ?

[url=http://t.co/NSJmx92G1r]NFL Draft | Pauline: Gregory started training at 218 lbs - Rotoworld.com[/url][/quote]

Lavonte David, De'Andre Levy, Kiko Alonzo, Thomas Davis just to name a few

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107745]Gregory was reportedly 218 at some point last season- can you name a good NFL OLB that weighs 235 ?

[url=http://t.co/NSJmx92G1r]NFL Draft | Pauline: Gregory started training at 218 lbs - Rotoworld.com[/url][/quote]

If Gregory kicked so much patootey when he was around 220, imagine how much arse he will kick when he fills out near 250.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1107751]Lavonte David, De'Andre Levy, Kiko Alonzo, Thomas Davis just to name a few[/quote]

and none of them had more than 2 or 3 sacks.... they are not 6'5" either

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107745]Gregory was reportedly 218 at some point last season- can you name a good NFL OLB that weighs 235 ?

[url=http://t.co/NSJmx92G1r]NFL Draft | Pauline: Gregory started training at 218 lbs - Rotoworld.com[/url][/quote]


According to ESPN article (link below) Lawrence Taylor as a rookie with Giants was 6-foot-3, 237-pound.
I think you are making a big deal about a number.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10759026/nfl-draft-comparing-jadeveon-clowney-lawrence-taylor-foolish]NFL draft -- Comparing Jadeveon Clowney to Lawrence Taylor is foolish - ESPN[/url]

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You would think a guy that's 6'5 would be at least 250. That's a shocker right there.

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I think you saw this.?.?

[QUOTE=davy;1107736][url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Exclusive-Combine-QA-Scot-McCloughan/b13d421f-a10c-4b90-9c76-80e39135cbba]Exclusive Combine Q&A: Scot McCloughan[/url]


This makes me very happy...

"What I’m trying to change is our kind of way that we’re not looking for the height, weight or speed guys, we’re looking for football players. We want guys who are consistent, guys who are passionate, very competitive, tough and smart. It’s not always the best athletes that way, but I want them to realize, just because a guy can’t run a 4.4 40-yard [dash], doesn’t mean he can’t play wide receiver or running back. All the sudden you have an offensive lineman who measures 6’2 1/2” when the league average is 6’4”, I could care less about that. Let me know about a football player and we’ll go from there because that’s what’s going to help me on Sundays."

...always thought this was the way to acquire players. :)[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107753]and none of them had more than 2 or 3 sacks.... they are not 6'5" either[/quote]


3 things:

You didn't ask anything about sacks
You didn't say anything about height
Why do height/weight measurements mean so much to you?

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So glad SM is in the building. He's going to get some starters out of this draft.

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at least the skins have one adult in the building. that said, at some point, i'd like to see result (like a team that doesn't reek of dumpster fire).

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I know no one is crazy about drafting a S in the first round. But I watched an interview with Landon Collins from Alabama and the dude is a ST idolater. Wore his number, wants to be as good as him and is dying to play for the Skins.

I don't think the Redskins have met with him. But I can't help but like the guy.

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i love the tub, shelton. if we stay at 5, i hope he's our pick.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1107814]I know no one is crazy about drafting a S in the first round. But I watched an interview with Landon Collins from Alabama and the dude is a ST idolater. Wore his number, wants to be as good as him and is dying to play for the Skins.

I don't think the Redskins have met with him. But I can't help but like the guy.[/quote]

The problem is he is a in the box safety, which h we do not need.

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[quote=spAtt;1107818]The problem is he is a in the box safety, which h we do not need.[/quote]

Aw, lame.

I'm sure he'll be great somewhere though.