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[quote=T.O.Killa;1153379]Joe Gibbs takes Matt Jones out and he never plays again. He would rather let Chris Baker run the ball, rather than Jones.[/quote]

Gibbs always had a stable of RBs...We don't really have that same luxury.

IMO, Kelly should get more work and Chris Thompson basically was the reason Cousins scored on the R/O...Thompson had been ballin all game.

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My bigger thing is, if you set the fumble issue aside for a second, I don't see a major difference between Jones and Kelley. Jones is bigger but he doesn't always run like it, he still dances too much and doesn't always get low enough. When he does he looks pretty good, but he's too inconsistent with it.

I don't think Kelley gives you the ability to run guys over, but he's going to be decisive going into the hole. I would start Kelley.

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[quote=Chico23231;1153382]Gibbs always had a stable of RBs...We don't really have that same luxury.

IMO, Kelly should get more work and Chris Thompson basically was the reason Cousins scored on the R/O...Thompson had been ballin all game.[/quote]

I promise you they had no more running backs, than we do now. He would start Kelly and if Kelly gets hurt, he would bring in Chris Thompson. If they got hurt, he may just run Niles Paul. The next week they would release Jones and bring up Mack Brown.

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[quote=Schneed10;1153383]My bigger thing is, if you set the fumble issue aside for a second, I don't see a major difference between Jones and Kelley. Jones is bigger but he doesn't always run like it, he still dances too much and doesn't always get low enough. When he does he looks pretty good, but he's too inconsistent with it.

I don't think Kelley gives you the ability to run guys over, but he's going to be decisive going into the hole. I would start Kelley.[/quote]

The thing that bothers me about Jones fumbles is how many happen with little to no contact. Its not like he is getting blown up when he gets hit and he runs like he is Chris Thompson's size. At this point if it were me Jones wouldn't play the rest of the season

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Great news!!

I'm told the MRI on Trent Williams' left knee revealed no structural damage. Belief is that he might be able to play Sunday.

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So we should just be done with Jones?

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[quote=Schneed10;1153383]My bigger thing is, if you set the fumble issue aside for a second, I don't see a major difference between Jones and Kelley. Jones is bigger but he doesn't always run like it, he still dances too much and doesn't always get low enough. When he does he looks pretty good, but he's too inconsistent with it.

I don't think Kelley gives you the ability to run guys over, but he's going to be decisive going into the hole. I would start Kelley.[/quote]

I'm guessing Gruden is seeing some potential in Jones during trainings, things that he can do better than Kelley, I'd say mainly due to his size, and still wants to give him a chance to use that potential.
Plus Thompson is an effin' good RB, but lacks the size, clearly. And Kelley is a rookie, so maybe he also has ball security issues, or other issues he'll fix in time, but we don't see them because he's getting less carries...

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[quote=MTK;1153389]So we should just be done with Jones?[/quote]

I would move on, but probably not til after the season.

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[quote=MTK;1153389]So we should just be done with Jones?[/quote]

Right? its so simple isn't it?

...I would continue to run Jones as the starter and work in more Kelly. Kelly looking like he is earning touches, but I wouldn't give up on Jones in the middle of the season.

Maybe work Kelly more as the redzone/goaline back and explain to Jones he has to earn that work back.

Thompson has clearly carve his niche.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1153388]Great news!!

I'm told the MRI on Trent Williams' left knee revealed no structural damage. Belief is that he might be able to play Sunday.[/QUOTE]
Yes!!! My boy

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double post sorry

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[quote=MTK;1153389]So we should just be done with Jones?[/quote]

I would start Kelley for the next few weeks at least to see what he can do. As of right now, no way we start next season with the same 3 backs. Jones or Kelley won't be on the team next year IMHO.

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[quote=Schneed10;1153383]My bigger thing is, if you set the fumble issue aside for a second, [B]I don't see a major difference between Jones and Kelley.[/B] Jones is bigger but he doesn't always run like it, he still dances too much and doesn't always get low enough. When he does he looks pretty good, but he's too inconsistent with it.

I don't think Kelley gives you the ability to run guys over, but he's going to be decisive going into the hole. I would start Kelley.[/quote]

This is how I feel too. I mean I think Jones might be a bit faster, but they almost seem like clones to me (dreadlocks aside). Kelley DOES hit the hole faster. I just think Kelley should start getting the bulk of the carries and see how it goes.

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[quote=MTK;1153389]So we should just be done with Jones?[/quote]

He should not be aloud to touch the ball. And released if we need the roster spot. He has cost us more than one game fumbling.

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Glad to hear the news on Trent

[url]https://twitter.com/MikeJonesWaPo/status/790595698429300736[/url]

When do the Redskins need to leave for London? Given this, I wonder if JNo has any shot at playing next week. I know it is a toss up with concussions, I just feel that the trip to London will add another degree of difficulty.

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Kelly is faster than Jones, I think that is pretty obvious, and he runs harder.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1153376]Jay is a players coach and that's a good thing sometimes and that's y he wants Jones to start because he shows faith and trust[/quote]

Players coaches generally don't win. Disciplined coaches do. I'd rather a Belichick, Parcells, Johnson type of coach than a Gruden, Dungy, Ryan. Being a players coach doesn't cut it. This is about winning. If it means a man loses his job then so be it. He's being paid to do a job. If he can't do it, find somebody who can. It's obvious that Jones can't do the job.

Gruden has given Jones enough time and patience. It's time to turn the page. Gruden's job and our wins depend on it.

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[quote=MTK;1153389]So we should just be done with Jones?[/quote]

I would make him inactive the next two games and then give him his final chance. If he fumbles again, he's done. A message needs to be sent. Do your job or find another one. Period.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1153391]I would move on, but probably not til after the season.[/quote]

And this is why fans are fans...lol. You can't just cut the guy after the season. He's still a good football player. Do you remember Tiki Barber? He had the same issues and cured them. Not comparing the two, they're different runners, but Jones can fix this.

I think the question regarding Jones is should he continue to be the starter? I say he should be but you get Kelly in there a little more, and keep mixing in Thompson. Thompson to me is clearly our best RB but he obviously isn't built to carry the load.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1153404]And this is why fans are fans...lol. You can't just cut the guy after the season. He's still a good football player. Do you remember Tiki Barber? He had the same issues and cured them. Not comparing the two, they're different runners, but Jones can fix this. [/quote]

Tiki didn't cure them, he just minimized them the last 2 years of his career. For most of it, he fumbled a lot. That said, He was also producing 1,000+ yards each season as well, so it's hard to compare Jones to Tiki.

Jones is currently fumbling 1 time for every 30 carries.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1153402]Players coaches generally don't win. Disciplined coaches do. I'd rather a Belichick, Parcells, Johnson type of coach than a Gruden, Dungy, Ryan. Being a players coach doesn't cut it. This is about winning. If it means a man loses his job then so be it. He's being paid to do a job. If he can't do it, find somebody who can. It's obvious that Jones can't do the job.

Gruden has given Jones enough time and patience. It's time to turn the page. Gruden's job and our wins depend on it.[/quote]

I think the players coach vs a hard ass is so overrated. What is Gary Kubiak? He sure couldn't get over the hump in Houston, then he got a great defense and now he's a SB winning coach. Or what about Dick Vermeil? No one was harder on players than that guy was. He couldn't win until he gets Faulk, Warner, Bruce, Holt and he wins a SB.

In the end it's still about players and currently we don't have enough good ones.

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Should we be done with Jones? Probably not. He has talent. Tiki Barber had some fumbling issues earlier in his career and it almost ended it. Then, one entire off season, he focused on learning to improve his grip on the ball, solved his fumbling problem, and moved on to a productive career. Perhaps Jones can do the same.

I don't know what Kelley needs to show to get more carries. Every time he is in, he runs hard & low. He [I]always[/I] seems to fall forward and just keeps driving. He has broken long runs. I don't know what his blitz pick-up skills are like, but I don't know if Jones' are all that much better.

I know I don't make the big bucks, but, after that second fumble, I would walked over to Matt and said something to the effect of "Take the rest of the afternoon off" and gone with Kelley and Thompson the rest of the way. Fumbles are just too damn costly - as demonstrated by yesterday's loss.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1153407]I think the players coach vs a hard ass is so overrated. What is Gary Kubiak? He sure couldn't get over the hump in Houston, then he got a great defense and now he's a SB winning coach. Or what about Dick Vermeil? No one was harder on players than that guy was. He couldn't win until he gets Faulk, Warner, Bruce, Holt and he wins a SB.

In the end it's still about players and currently we don't have enough good ones.[/quote]

There is a happy medium between being a players coach, but one with discipline. This isn't Matt Jones third fumble. This is his 8th in 243 attempts. That's about 1 fumble for every 30 carries. No, this is the time to instill discipline in the team and let them know it's not going to be tolerated. I can live with mistakes, just not mistakes that continue to be a pattern. I'm not saying he should be cut, just made inactive for couple games and given a final chance.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1153406]Tiki didn't cure them, he just minimized them the last 2 years of his career. For most of it, he fumbled a lot. That said, He was also producing 1,000+ yards each season as well, so it's hard to compare Jones to Tiki.

Jones is currently fumbling 1 time for every 30 carries.[/quote]

Yeah, so just ignore my prior post. lol

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I would minimize Jones' carries and give the goal line stuff to Kelly. If Jones fumbles again he needs to be benched.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1153398]Glad to hear the news on Trent

[url]https://twitter.com/MikeJonesWaPo/status/790595698429300736[/url]

When do the Redskins need to leave for London? Given this, I wonder if JNo has any shot at playing next week. I know it is a toss up with concussions, I just feel that the trip to London will add another degree of difficulty.[/quote]

Typical absence for concussions is about 2 weeks, since this concussion protocol has gone into place. Reed has been out two weeks, Cravens just came back after a two week absence, and Reed's absence last year was two weeks.

There's no way Norman plays this week. Sucks, because he's the only one that has a shot against AJ Green. We'll need to plan to win a shoot out.

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I wouldnt do anything rash right now but I do not want Jones as our feature back next year.
Pretty sure we can do better.

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[quote=Schneed10;1153414]Typical absence for concussions is about 2 weeks, since this concussion protocol has gone into place. Reed has been out two weeks, Cravens just came back after a two week absence, and Reed's absence last year was two weeks.

There's no way Norman plays this week. Sucks, because he's the only one that has a shot against AJ Green. We'll need to plan to win a shoot out.[/quote]

We have to put extreme pressure on
Dalton or else!!!!

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[quote=MTK;1153389]So we should just be done with Jones?[/quote]

I don't say it about players but yeah. The man lead the NFL in fumbles as a back up last season and it doesn't seem to be getting better and his talent isn't enough to mask his troubles

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;1153397]He should not be aloud to touch the ball. And released if we need the roster spot. He has cost us more than one game fumbling.[/QUOTE]



Maybe he can touch it in silence?

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[quote=MTK;1153420]Maybe he can touch it in silence?[/quote]


:laughing2

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[quote=Schneed10;1153414]Typical absence for concussions is about 2 weeks, since this concussion protocol has gone into place. Reed has been out two weeks, Cravens just came back after a two week absence, and Reed's absence last year was two weeks.

There's no way Norman plays this week. [B]Sucks, because he's the only one that has a shot against AJ Green.[/B] We'll need to plan to win a shoot out.[/quote]


Yeah, I'm worried... This will be my first ever live NFL game, in Wembley, so I'm looking for reasons to hope... But without Norman to (get a chance to) lock Green down, this will be a tough one.

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I'm over this game. I think everyone else should be also. On to London!

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Redskins coach Jay Gruden said there's a chance they'll give a little more work to Rob Kelley in lieu of Matt Jones fumble issues. Gruden said he liked how many touches Chris Thompson had yesterday. But Gruden said, "we're not giving up on Matt Jones. We just have to make sure he protects the dang ball

Per Jay 3oclock.

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ROFL.

[url=http://dailysnark.com/redskins-coach-caught-peeing-gatorade-cup-lions-fans-front-rows/]Redskins Coach Caught Peeing Into Gatorade Cup By Lions Fans In Front Rows | Daily Snark[/url]



I don't think them bringing in other RBs for a look is a coincidence.

[url]https://twitter.com/BenStandig/status/790620647034527744[/url]

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Another defensive lineman questioning our defensive coordinator publicly.

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/28062/chris-baker-upset-over-strategy-on-final-drive-of-redskins-loss]Chris Baker upset over strategy on final drive of Redskins' loss - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]


It tells you what they think of Joe Barry. He's out of his element out there and needs to be replaced at the end of the season. Yeah, Barry isn't the only issue, but in key situations he's always outcoached.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1153428]Redskins coach Jay Gruden said there's a chance they'll give a little more work to Rob Kelley in lieu of Matt Jones fumble issues. Gruden said he liked how many touches Chris Thompson had yesterday. But Gruden said, "we're not giving up on Matt Jones. We just have to make sure he protects the dang ball



Per Jay 3oclock.[/QUOTE]


Definitely too early to give up on him, but he has to be on a very short leash. The 3 back rotation seems to be working anyway. We don't have a true bell cow.

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Joe has done a better job this year than mcvay has

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a picture of Ben and his cup.

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Redskins-coach-could-be-in-hot-water-48480526]Redskins coach could be in hot water[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1153439]a picture of Ben and his cup.

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Redskins-coach-could-be-in-hot-water-48480526]Redskins coach could be in hot water[/url][/quote]

That is just sad. How much trouble will he be in? Just a fine? or could he get fired over it?