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Well he does like his steak well done, I think that qualifies as eating shit lol

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[quote=Giantone;1158772]I agree but then with his Cabinet picks and his tweeting and his lying about saving jobs,hell the shit everyone was afraid of is all ready starting and he isn't even President yet.Look at OPEC and the way Republicans are going after SS all ready!Sorry no free pass from me,none.[/quote]

His cabinet picks are great so far. For those confused by the meaning of Drain the swamp, it DID NOT mean, as Don Lemon of CNN said yesterday, that he was going to bring in young members of the Body Politic. It meant he was going to do exactly what Reagan did before him. If you want the bureacratic juggernaut that is the EPA stopped, put the person who has fought against it the most in charge of it. If you want to get Obamacare cleared out of the system quickly, put someone who knows it (and its flaws) inside and out in charge of the department responsible for it. If you want to get China to be a more fair trade partner, put pressure on them (which likely is the point of both the Taiwan call and reducing Russian tensions). And so on, right down the line of his appointments.

I don't think either side lied about saving jobs, that is definitely a case where both sides are simply stating the facts that best serve there propaganda. Did 1100 jobs stay in the US yes, is Carrier going to invest 16Mil into Indiana yes. Did Indiana agree to a high tax incentive yes. Are lots of jobs still going to Mexico yes. How you view that deal is simply the spin/narrative that you want to listen to.

Is it shocking to see the Republicans preparing to carry out the reforms they have been calling for for the last 8 years, but have been blocked by filibusters and vetos, not really. I would argue that if they don't repeal Obamacare, fix SS, breakdown the EPA, HUD, and the rest of the governmental alphabet soup in the first year, they will lose the House of Representatives because they can't point to Pres Obama as the man with the pen anymore.

I guess I will give you this: if you are a true liberal believer - as several here are - then no, I doubt you will give Trump and the Republicans a free pass. In fact the next few years may end up being your turn to take up the Party of No mantle, and see how frustrating it is to see your beliefs, ideals, and values, ignored, mocked, and ridiculed like the tea party conservatives have for the past 8 years. Of course, you will have the advantage of a butthurt media crying it's tears of anguish.

If the country doesn't like it, it will be back to a divided government in 2018.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1158798]His cabinet picks are great so far. For those confused by the meaning of Drain the swamp, it DID NOT mean, as Don Lemon of CNN said yesterday, that he was going to bring in young members of the Body Politic. It meant he was going to do exactly what Reagan did before him. If you want the bureacratic juggernaut that is the EPA stopped, put the person who has fought against it the most in charge of it. If you want to get Obamacare cleared out of the system quickly, put someone who knows it (and its flaws) inside and out in charge of the department responsible for it. If you want to get China to be a more fair trade partner, put pressure on them (which likely is the point of both the Taiwan call and reducing Russian tensions). And so on, right down the line of his appointments.



I don't think either side lied about saving jobs, that is definitely a case where both sides are simply stating the facts that best serve there propaganda. Did 1100 jobs stay in the US yes, is Carrier going to invest 16Mil into Indiana yes. Did Indiana agree to a high tax incentive yes. Are lots of jobs still going to Mexico yes. How you view that deal is simply the spin/narrative that you want to listen to.



Is it shocking to see the Republicans preparing to carry out the reforms they have been calling for for the last 8 years, but have been blocked by filibusters and vetos, not really. I would argue that if they don't repeal Obamacare, fix SS, breakdown the EPA, HUD, and the rest of the governmental alphabet soup in the first year, they will lose the House of Representatives because they can't point to Pres Obama as the man with the pen anymore.



I guess I will give you this: if you are a true liberal believer - as several here are - then no, I doubt you will give Trump and the Republicans a free pass. In fact the next few years may end up being your turn to take up the Party of No mantle, and see how frustrating it is to see your beliefs, ideals, and values, ignored, mocked, and ridiculed like the tea party conservatives have for the past 8 years. Of course, you will have the advantage of a butthurt media crying it's tears of anguish.



If the country doesn't like it, it will be back to a divided government in 2018.[/QUOTE]



Last I checked members of both parties are extremely wary of Tillerson? Throw in one of Wall Streets biggest crooks in Cohn. I will leave Bannon alone because I do not want to hear any defense for this scum bag. I mean I know all the hard liners like to say "well he understands crooks because he is one". A leopard cant change his spots, and you got a whole bunch of leopards.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1158757]I haven't seen anyone on the right freaking out, and once the transition is complete you will see democratic senators from at risk states finding reasons to support his agenda.[/quote]

As someone once said "you are in denial and denial just ain't a river in Egypt anymore.You say no one on the right is freaking out and that is utter BS ,I'm a republican and yes this is scaring the shit out of me.Republican senators are calling for investigations ,to say the "right isn't freaking out is just a Trumpette way of dening the truth.This was a cross over elect so to blame the right all for this or the left all for that is wrong.Trump got elected by the rust belt and mid to old white men who fell for his hate mongering.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1158753]A lot of smoke and mirrors crap by the whiners.

The Clinton campaign is working every angle to diminish the magnitude of her loss. Wisconsin did the full recount, and Trump gained over 100 votes, no hint of any foreign interference, Pennsylvania court ruled it is on the verge of insanity to think any tampering occurred. Michigan stopped their recount when it turned out Detroit's ballots were the ones most out of whack.

As for the Russian hacking of emails etc. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Obama administration hacked Germany's emails. If we are doing it to our allies it's not a stretch to think we are doing it to Russia and vice versa. Color me shocked.

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk[/quote]

I'm enjoying the fact that we're the whiners here. After Trump was whining about Pence's treatment at Hamilton, and whining about SNL making fun of him, yet we're the whiners were. And how about that victory tour? Nothing like taking a long tour to pat yourself on the back for a job well done. The hilarious part is the job just started.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1158815]I'm enjoying the fact that we're the whiners here. After Trump was whining about Pence's treatment at Hamilton, and whining about SNL making fun of him, yet we're the whiners were. And how about that victory tour? Nothing like taking a long tour to pat yourself on the back for a job well done. The hilarious part is the job just started.[/QUOTE]



Right. Or whining about the election being rigged when he thought he was going to lose. Or whining about it being rigged again after he lost the popular vote in a true landslide. Lol. Still makes me laugh that he calls his electoral win a landslide. Or how about the whining in general from him and all the little trumpers about opposition towards him in general!

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/13/politics/kanye-west-donald-trump-trump-tower/index.html]Kanye West meets with Donald Trump at Trump Tower - CNNPolitics.com[/url]

Lol...find him a cabinet post please!!!

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1158820][url=http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/13/politics/kanye-west-donald-trump-trump-tower/index.html]Kanye West meets with Donald Trump at Trump Tower - CNNPolitics.com[/url]



Lol...find him a cabinet post please!!![/QUOTE]



A match made in hell. D-bags usually stick together.

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Good to know he's keeping that schedule full with his victory tour and meeting with celebs.

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lol ... reading the comments just makes me think: "Hi! We're the Left, and we still don't get it."

"We're not whiners! He is! Wahhhh!" Keep playing to his wheelhouse folks 'cause Honey Badger just don't give a sh**.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1158830]lol ... reading the comments just makes me think: "Hi! We're the Left, and we still don't get it."



"We're not whiners! He is! Wahhhh!" Keep playing to his wheelhouse folks 'cause Honey Badger just don't give a sh**.[/QUOTE]



We do get it. We dont like it. If that makes us whiners than whiners it is i guess.
Reading the comments makes me think we are the right and we are blinded by our love for the new messiah. Lol.
How does me thinking he is out of his league play into his wheelhouse?

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[quote=punch it in;1158831]How does me thinking he is out of his league play into his wheelhouse?[/quote]

Really? You don't see how that question gets reframed as "We are so much smarter than Trump" and how that then gets played by him??

He's a populist and not worried about the left's criticism. The more CNN and MSNBC say "He's not qualified" to Trump and his appointees, the more credibility they give to Trump's accusations that the elites are convinced they know what's best for everyone else. The more they say "He's not doing the things a President should be doing," the more Trump holds it up as a badge of honor and proof he is actually anti-establishment.

I said this many months ago and it appears still true today; the left cannot see past their own self-righteousness and conviction that those who don't hold their value system are just stupid.

Trump is playing y'all like a rabbit in a briar patch.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1158832]Really? You don't see how that question gets reframed as "We are so much smarter than Trump" and how that then gets played by him??



He's a populist and not worried about the left's criticism. The more CNN and MSNBC say "He's not qualified" to Trump and his appointees, the more credibility they give to Trump's accusations that the elites are convinced they know what's best for everyone else. The more they say "He's not doing the things a President should be doing," the more Trump holds it up as a badge of honor and proof he is actually anti-establishment.



I said this many months ago and it appears still true today; the left cannot see past their own self-righteousness and conviction that those who don't hold their value system are just stupid.



Trump is playing y'all like a rabbit in a briar patch.[/QUOTE]



Trump is a fraud. I see no connection between us saying that and his actions to follow. You are giving the fraud waaaaay to much credit. Again I will remind you that plenty of people from the right think the same thing. Let it play out. The smoke will clear and he will be left standing there exposed as the fraud he is.
Though even than i expect the trumpers to be singing his praises. They are the only ones getting played. I am well aware of reality.

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The left called Reagan the "Teflon President" ... like Trump, Reagan was a populist and understood that, as long as HE controlled his message by speaking directly to the electorate as often as he could without a media filter, he would connect and be immune from media and establishment criticism.

Trump is going to make Reagan look like the flypaper President.

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[quote=punch it in;1158833]Trump is a fraud. I see no connection between us saying that and his actions to follow. You are giving the fraud waaaaay to much credit. Again I will remind you that plenty of people from the right think the same thing. Let it play out. The smoke will clear and he will be left standing there exposed as the fraud he is.

[B]Though even than i expect the trumpers to be singing his praises. They are the only ones getting played. I am well aware of reality[/B].[/quote]

lol ... no. You clearly are not

... but don't let me stop you from chasing that rabbit.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1158835]lol ... no. You clearly are not



... but don't let me stop you from chasing that rabbit.[/QUOTE]



Me and 3 million others

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The man who claimed that our President had a fake birth certificate is in touch with reality, but the man who thinks that guy is an idiot is not.
Holy crap how does Trump get inside your heads???? Lmao.

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[quote=punch it in;1158840]The man who claimed that our President had a fake birth certificate is in touch with reality, but the man who thinks that guy is an idiot is not.
Holy crap how does Trump get [B]inside your heads[/B]???? Lmao.[/quote]

Punch, I think he is really inside yours. Seriously, after reading this thread.

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Love how you guys lay off Matty. I doubt he will ban you for disagreeing but sure go after Punch the low hanging fruit. Just like Trumps Carrier deal. Lol
If you think for one minute that i lose any sleep over this knuckle head u r sorely mistaken. I just like to let it be known that he is a fraud. This way when he is exposed guess who can say I told you so.
It will be similar to when JR told me i was crazy for saying Cousins was going to be a great quarterback. Lol.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1158840]The man who claimed that our President had a fake birth certificate is in touch with reality, but the man who thinks that guy is an idiot is not.
Holy crap how does Trump get inside your heads???? Lmao.[/QUOTE]

You misunderstand me completely. Trump is not "in touch with reality." Rather, he creates his own reality and doesn't care if you, the left in general, or big media say he's wrong. He is talking over your heads to a group of people who think very differently than you.

... and, just now, when you read [past-tense] "a group of people who think very differently than you," I am betting something derogatory flashed through your mind like "yeah, stupid people" or "yeah, folks who don't think."

If it did, if that's why you think his message and his current actions are finding resonance, than you really don't get the reality of his success.

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[quote=punch it in;1158842]Love how you guys lay off Matty. I doubt he will ban you for disagreeing but sure go after Punch the low hanging fruit. Just like Trumps Carrier deal. Lol
If you think for one minute that i lose any sleep over this knuckle head u r sorely mistaken. I just like to let it be known that he is a fraud. This way when he is exposed guess who can say I told you so. [/quote]

I think my opening salvo was to all "the lefties," Matty is so far left he makes Marx look like a raging neo-con.

[quote=punch it in;1158842]It will be similar to when JR told me i was crazy for saying Cousins was going to be a great quarterback. Lol.[/quote]

Hey, I recanted after he put up numbers demonstrating he had turned a corner. I am not sold on Trump by a long shot. I am, however, enjoying watching smug, self-righteous elitists cry while remaining smug, self-righteous elitists.

Trump is going about governance in a way that is completely off the beaten path. In two years, we'll see if it is effective or not. You want to bet against him now ... fine. I am not so invested in him that I will ignore policy errors that have actual bad consequences. For now, however, I'll just wait until he makes them before assuming that he will.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1158843]You misunderstand me completely. Trump is not "in touch with reality." Rather, he creates his own reality and doesn't care if you, the left in general, or big media say he's wrong. He is talking over your heads to a group of people who think very differently than you.



... and, just now, when you read [past-tense] "a group of people who think very differently than you," I am betting something derogatory flashed through your mind like "yeah, stupid people" or "yeah, folks who don't think."



If it did, if that's why you think his message and his current actions are finding resonance, than you really don't get the reality of his success.[/QUOTE]



Wasn't going to respond as it is apparent that you believe you know my response already.
However to make it simple - no i do not think Trump is a jedi master. I think he is in waaaay over his head. I think he is a fraud. I think that time will bring all of this to the surface. For a lot of us it is already clear as day.
That is all. His success in business was started by his fathers money and perpetuated by loopholes in the system, and scams.
His success in the election is a result of lies, the wall - arresting Hillary- etc etc etc.
Now he got what he wanted. Eventually the bullshit will catch up with him JR and yes - I will be ecstatic about it. Why should I not be? People like him deserve everything they get. So let the show go on.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1158844]I think my opening salvo was to all "the lefties," Matty is so far left he makes Marx look like a raging neo-con.







Hey, I recanted after he put up numbers demonstrating he had turned a corner. I am not sold on Trump by a long shot. I am, however, enjoying watching smug, self-righteous elitists cry while remaining smug, self-righteous elitists.



Trump is going about governance in a way that is completely off the beaten path. In two years, we'll see if it is effective or not. You want to bet against him now ... fine. I am not so invested in him that I will ignore policy errors that have actual bad consequences. For now, however, I'll just wait until he makes them before assuming that he will.[/QUOTE]


Please though differentiate between smug self righteous elitists and people , like myself, who are simply calling a fraud a fraud. There is plenty of a track record for me to make a case for him failing.
That said, anything is possible. Maybe he will "turn a corner" too. However, like your view on Cousins early on - I doubt it.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1158844]I think my opening salvo was to all "the lefties," Matty is so far left he makes Marx look like a raging neo-con. [/QUOTE]


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[quote=punch it in;1158837]Me and 3 million others[/quote]

On the belief that you are referencing the popular vote margin - Neither candidate got more than 50% of the popular vote. 63Million people voted for DT, it's simply not a case that somehow 3Million more somehow makes the Clintonista group amazingly wiser. If we were a true democracy, we would have had a runoff, it would not have gone straight to HC. And in a 2 person race, the question is what would happen with the libertarian vote (the green vote going to HC en masse). If Libertarian went en masse for DT (not saying they would, but I think it likely most would). Then with the same numbers that voted, DT would have had a 181,000 vote lead.

The point is NOT to say DT won the popular vote, he didn't. The point is that the margin is so thin out of 137 million total votes, that it is to the point of absurdity to use it as any type of validation or invalidation of the electoral college result.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1158848]On the belief that you are referencing the popular vote margin - Neither candidate got more than 50% of the popular vote. 63Million people voted for DT, it's simply not a case that somehow 3Million more somehow makes the Clintonista group amazingly wiser. If we were a true democracy, we would have had a runoff, it would not have gone straight to HC. And in a 2 person race, the question is what would happen with the libertarian vote (the green vote going to HC en masse). If Libertarian went en masse for DT (not saying they would, but I think it likely most would). Then with the same numbers that voted, DT would have had a 181,000 vote lead.



The point is NOT to say DT won the popular vote, he didn't. The point is that the margin is so thin out of 137 million total votes, that it is to the point of absurdity to use it as any type of validation or invalidation of the electoral college result.[/QUOTE]



Was simply referencing the others who are chasing JR's magic rabbit. Lol. Or whatever it was. My bad though - yea i should have said "me and 65 million others".
Those insignificant 3 million votes are actually the greatest margin in popular vote history. Which, funny enough, would make it a landslide. Not like the alleged landslide in one of the closest electoral college margins in history.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/opinions/trump-view-putin-stanley/index.html]Trump's shockingly honest approach to Putin - CNN.com[/url]

I thought this was interesting. Yes it does reflect my view of Trump/Russia so that's probably why...

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[quote=punch it in;1158849]Was simply referencing the others who are chasing JR's magic rabbit. Lol. Or whatever it was. My bad though - yea i should have said "me and 65 million others".
Those insignificant 3 million votes are actually the greatest margin in popular vote history. Which, funny enough, would make it a landslide. Not like the alleged landslide in one of the closest electoral college margins in history.[/quote]

What do you think of the fact the GOP holds the Presidency, the House and Senate and a majority of the Governships? Sounds landslide to me and a complete rejection of the Obama administration in general.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1158832]Really? You don't see how that question gets reframed as "We are so much smarter than Trump" and how that then gets played by him??

He's a populist and not worried about the left's criticism. The more CNN and MSNBC say "He's not qualified" to Trump and his appointees, the more credibility they give to Trump's accusations that the elites are convinced they know what's best for everyone else. The more they say "He's not doing the things a President should be doing," the more Trump holds it up as a badge of honor and proof he is actually anti-establishment.

I said this many months ago and it appears still true today; the left cannot see past their own self-righteousness and conviction that those who don't hold their value system are just stupid.

Trump is playing y'all like a rabbit in a briar patch.[/quote]

Nice post.
The anti-politician has risen.

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[quote=Chico23231;1158820][URL="http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/13/politics/kanye-west-donald-trump-trump-tower/index.html"]Kanye West meets with Donald Trump at Trump Tower - CNNPolitics.com[/URL]

Lol...find him a cabinet post please!!![/quote]

I'm sure there's an opening for the 2nd coming of Christ lol.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1158830]lol ... reading the comments just makes me think: "Hi! We're the Left, and we still don't get it."

"We're not whiners! He is! Wahhhh!" Keep playing to his wheelhouse folks [B]'cause Honey Badger just don't give a sh[/B]**.[/quote]

Ain't that the truth. I wish I was as capable of not giving a shit as he is, ignorance is bliss.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1158851]What do you think of the fact the GOP holds the Presidency, the House and Senate and a majority of the Governships? Sounds landslide to me and a complete rejection of the Obama administration in general.[/QUOTE]



I think that all of those things have nothing to do with the landslide he kept referencing. Trump was referring to his majority over Hillary in the electoral college.
All of those other things tell me that any other republican nominee would have won in a landslide. Lol
Alot of republicans couldn't pull the trigger on Trump - same way alot of dems couldn't pull it on hillary.
We should be feeling the Bern.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1158843]You misunderstand me completely. Trump is not "in touch with reality." Rather, he creates his own reality and doesn't care if you, the left in general, or big media say he's wrong. He is talking over your heads to a group of people who think very differently than you.[/quote]

Joe , how can knowing that the man who just got elected by preaching racism,bigotry and hatred to the highest position in the country not bother you?You admit he is "not in touch with reality" a small minority of voters voted him in and you seem fine with it.You make an assumption that Trump is talking over my head just becuase I didn't want him elected.Politics I can take or leave and living in Maryland I am use to the Democratic side of life and we manage to get Larry Hogan in and people love him both Dems and Republicans .Point is Trump is not about polotics ,Trump could very well get this country into a spot we will never get out .He did not know what the Nuclear Triad was,you are a smart man,how does this not scare you?

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Thought people might like this.


[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/12/13/the-trump-promise-tracker/?utm_term=.20d3b0f6da57[/url]


[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-promise-tracker/?tid=a_inl[/url][LIST=1][/LIST]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1158862]Thought people might like this.





[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/12/13/the-trump-promise-tracker/?utm_term=.20d3b0f6da57[/url]





[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-promise-tracker/?tid=a_inl[/url][LIST=1]
[/LIST][/QUOTE]



12,13,and 14 are precious. Lol

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[quote=Giantone;1158861]Joe , how can knowing that the man who just got elected by preaching racism,bigotry and hatred to the highest position in the country not bother you?You admit he is "not in touch with reality" a small minority of voters voted him in and you seem fine with it.You make an assumption that Trump is talking over my head just becuase I didn't want him elected.Politics I can take or leave and living in Maryland I am use to the Democratic side of life and we manage to get Larry Hogan in and people love him both Dems and Republicans .Point is Trump is not about polotics ,[COLOR="Red"][B]Trump could very well get this country into a spot we will never get out .[/B][/COLOR]He did not know what the Nuclear Triad was,you are a smart man,how does this not scare you?[/quote]

[B][COLOR="Red"]I certainly hope so.[/COLOR][/B]

And Trump knows we have nuclear weapons.
His alleged non intimacy of a buzzword regarding such things is a bunch of stupid hype.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1158864][B][COLOR="Red"]I certainly hope so.[/COLOR][/B]

And Trump knows we have nuclear weapons.
His alleged non intimacy of a buzzword regarding such things is a bunch of stupid hype.[/quote]


"Buzzword",yeah.You need this as much as Trump does.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_triad[/url]

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Its a simple buzzword the media likes to use, and an outdated one at that.
I'm quite sure Trump knows we have delivery systems for nuclear weapons.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1158869]Its a simple buzzword the media likes to use, and an outdated one at that.
I'm quite sure Trump knows we have delivery systems for nuclear weapons.[/quote]


Well he didn't.


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGCWrAkDtbU[/url]

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I'm quite sure Trump knows we have delivery systems for nuclear weapons.
And I'll reiterate that your gotcha buzzword is[B] outdated [/B]and more suited for armchair generals.

Not many incoming presidents are pre-certified nuclear war strategists.
They all go to Joint Chiefs of Staff school right off the bat anyway.