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I like Solid Snake please don't leave and keep posting. I also enjoy S10 but sometimes he is an ass, past the stage of being cute. My two cents.

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I don't.think leaving is right, but SS84 you should at least give some heed to the opinion that purely negative or purely speculative opinions get tiresome.

For example, KC may leave but its by no means the most likely outcome because the Skins have the upper hand in negotiations and there are very few historical actions that bear out a team trading or letting a qb who has set multiple team records leave. It may in fact be an unprecedented move. There are, however, dozens if not hundreds of examples of teams bargaining through the media and tag with a player they know they are going to sign.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1163851][b]Schneed10: Snake, you suck at thinking. Please just stop posting.[/b]


I think i'm at the point now where you guys aren't going to have to ask me twice. I've not been like the argumentative posters or the people who have gotten banned. The hate on me here is ridiculous and uncalled for. I have done nothing. I have not trolled the boards or started stupid threads, or attacked other members personally based on things like religion, ethnicity, or handicaps (As has been done to me here).

I have drawn the ire of the boards for posting stuff mainly in the Cousins threads, and defending my belief that we will not re-sign Kirk Cousins. I have also expressed my opinion of Mr. Snyder that no doubt many others share but may not be so bold in posting. I have criticized Gruden's decision to promote from within to fill our openings rather than hire from outside the organization, and it is my belief that this could indeed cost him his job here.

At the end of the day we are supposed to debate these things as [B]FANS[/B], with the exception of people like SmootSmack who are privy to organizational information. The bottom line if you guys were the experts here about the redskins and or the NFL in general, you'd be working for the NFL and not attacking me on a [B]MESSAGE BOARD[/B]. Keyboard commandos here for sure[/quote]

Solidsnake I will assume this is partially directed at me because I am the latest to lash out at you for thinking that it is "likely" that Kirk will be leaving this offseason. I apologize for my actions, and I don't want you to leave either, because if you left we'd be one step closer to a circle jerk and I don't like those either. I appreciate your willingness to stick to your guns, even if I disagree we are all just here to discuss this team that we love. I disagree with your opinion on Kirk, but I have no hate for you as a person. Please stick around.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1163848]Here is the issue, whether you like the idea or not, there is a strong possibility of a trade. Redskins have traded Champ Bailey when no thought they should do it. We signed Haynesworth, Deon Sanders, and countless others when it was a bad idea. They even gave the house for RG3. As long as Danny Boy is the owner, anything is possible.

Stats don't lie. Cousins is a legit QB and that has value in the NFL. To say that no other team would be interested and he is not worth 2 first round picks is incorrect. Look at his stats and compare them to all QBs in first two years of starting. He is favorable to the majority of Qb's out there. He is the QB of the #2 offense in 2016.

We can't downplay his talent nor can we over estimate the intelligence of our front office.[/quote]

Draft picks are irrelevant to me. The Skins used to draft in the top 10 every year and actually did a pretty good job at selecting players - Bailey, Arrington, Samuels, Sean Taylor, etc. The reason they still sucked and continued to draft in the top 10 was because they had crappy QBs. They had good Defenses during that time and could run the ball, but they perpetually sucked because they could not solve the QB position. Now we have a QB and some fans want draft picks instead? We had high draft picks out the ying yang for years, but still sucked because WE HAD NO QB!!! The last time we had a QB was Brad Johnson in 1999 and he went on to win a Super Bowl after the franchise kicked him to the curb.

How on earth are people NOT learning from the past? We're about to make all the same mistakes over again. WTF?!?!?!

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Solid snake..please don't leave..because you take the heat off my crazy post!! Thats what makes this site great. I like to read your post!

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[quote=44Deezel;1163879]Draft picks are irrelevant to me. The Skins used to draft in the top 10 every year and actually did a pretty good job at selecting players - Bailey, Arrington, Samuels, Sean Taylor, etc. The reason they still sucked and continued to draft in the top 10 was because they had crappy QBs. They had good Defenses during that time and could run the ball, but they perpetually sucked because they could not solve the QB position. Now we have a QB and some fans want draft picks instead? We had high draft picks out the ying yang for years, but still sucked because WE HAD NO QB!!! The last time we had a QB was Brad Johnson in 1999 and he went on to win a Super Bowl after the franchise kicked him to the curb.

How on earth are people NOT learning from the past? We're about to make all the same mistakes over again. WTF?!?!?![/quote]

This...Its not that we necessarily we drafted bad in the first, but the QB drives the bus in this league and once you find one that's half way decent you roll with him.

Id have serious problems with anybody in the front office who opposing paying Cousins...like to know the detractors, if I had to guess its Bruce. I think you have to remember, Bruce and Snyder picked RG3.....and the Shanny Clan wanted Cousins. I think the fact that the Shanny Bros. were right gets under both the egos of Dan and Bruce. I think Dan is willing to look past it and pay Cousins ( I remember Smoot saying Dan hated Cousins and wanted him gone) based on the playoff run and just the numbers this year. If its anybody, I think Bruce is the detractor from signing Cousins.

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OK Snake my bad. Over the line to single you out. I do feel a duty to call out unfounded internet rumors. I like to play a part in keeping The Warpath as a place where unfounded internet rumors go to die, not perpetuated. So I'm going to continue to challenge you strongly when you buy into it and take it too far, but I don't need to bring such personal harshness when I do it.

It's entirely possible Cousins to SF picks up steam in February and March. But until it does let's realize that the SF organization can't possibly have formed any thinking at it's QB spot until it has a coach and a GM.

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Moving forward and we have had to say this rule before if you think you have some news please add a link to it. The rumors especially during FA season and the draft get really old.
IF you are stating your opinion that is fine just don't come off that your opinion is a fact.

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But can we all accept that Uber drivers are absolute rock solid sources?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1163893]But can we all accept that Uber drivers are absolute rock solid sources?[/quote]

I not only get football news from my ubers, but also weather updates, aND any political happenings. I'm pretty sure that the aforementioned is on their application.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1163898]I not only get football news from my ubers, but also weather updates, aND any political happenings. I'm pretty sure that the aforementioned is on their application.[/quote]

Bucky Brooks on all talent evaluations and Oil men from Denver when it comes the Broncos and Shanny-related shit

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1163893]But can we all accept that Uber drivers are absolute rock solid sources?[/quote]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/01/23/d-c-cab-driver-calls-john-elway-his-favorite-qb-discovers-elway-is-in-his-cab/?utm_term=.000d2d8bc993#comments[/url]
D.C. cab driver calls John Elway his favorite QB, discovers Elway is in his cab


Well looka here, nailing it again!

Not surprised ole Elway is a big fan of SAD!

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[quote=Chico23231;1163899]Bucky Brooks on all talent evaluations and Oil men from Denver when it comes the Broncos and Shanny-related shit[/quote]

With a name like Bucky, you better have inside information.

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Decent mailbag from WP:

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/01/24/redskins-mailbag-kyle-shanahan-kirk-cousins-talk-and-examining-the-greg-manusky-hire/?utm_term=.675b60bb6ef1[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1163936]Decent mailbag from WP:

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/01/24/redskins-mailbag-kyle-shanahan-kirk-cousins-talk-and-examining-the-greg-manusky-hire/?utm_term=.675b60bb6ef1[/url][/quote]

It amazes me to no end that people think it's so easy to find another quality QB. In this case screw the draft picks, I want what I know I already have, a guy I can build and win with.

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[quote=MTK;1163941]It amazes me to no end that people think it's so easy to find another quality QB. In this case screw the draft picks, I want what I know I already have, a guy I can build and win with.[/quote]

Maybe if it was a Luck level of hype guy coming out...otherwise I don't get it. I will take KC

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[QUOTE=MTK;1163941]It amazes me to no end that people think it's so easy to find another quality QB. In this case screw the draft picks, I want what I know I already have, a guy I can build and win with.[/QUOTE]



Been saying it from day one.. SOME people can't get over the fact he wasn't a first round pick.. It clogs there mind..


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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/24/jay-gruden-we-totally-anticipate-kirk-cousins-coming-back/]Jay Gruden: We totally anticipate Kirk Cousins coming back | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1163948][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/24/jay-gruden-we-totally-anticipate-kirk-cousins-coming-back/]Jay Gruden: We totally anticipate Kirk Cousins coming back | ProFootballTalk[/url][/QUOTE]



Suck it haters

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Hope so

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[quote=MTK;1163949]Suck it haters[/quote]

I knew the entire time with all of this speculation about the 49ers trading for Cousins that it was just media hype.....Scot McCloughan should sign Kirk for a deal like 5/6 years $21 million a year.....and finally put this to bed forever more..... Cousins in the last 32 regular season games has shown that he's earned it..... HTTR

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[quote]SiriusXM NFL Radio
SiriusXM NFL Radio – Verified account ‏@SiriusXMNFL

Bruce Allen: Kirk Cousins IS our Quarterback. [url]http://bit.ly/2kqyjyY[/url] #HTTR
3:50 PM - 24 Jan 2017[/quote]

Click on that link, short sound bite of a Bruce Allen interview talking Cousins. When asked how likely it is Kirk returns, he gives a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. Also says the "other speculation" surrounding Cousins' potential destinations doesnt come from the Redskins

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[QUOTE=SirLK26;1163955]Click on that link, short sound bite of a Bruce Allen interview talking Cousins. When asked how likely it is Kirk returns, he gives a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. Also says the "other speculation" surrounding Cousins' potential destinations doesnt come from the Redskins[/QUOTE]
Great news

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1163954]I knew the entire time with all of this speculation about the 49ers trading for Cousins that it was just media hype.....Scot McCloughan should sign Kirk for a deal like 5/6 years $21 million a year.....and finally put this to bed forever more..... Cousins in the last 32 regular season games has shown that he's earned it..... HTTR[/quote]

I'd sign him too for that amount, but he's going to ask for way more than that. I think most people, including myself, who talk about whether you wouldn't mind him leaving or not is if it gets around 25 million. But I think at worst he just gets franchised again, so he's here regardless. Don't see a trade unless it's something crazy.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1163948][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/24/jay-gruden-we-totally-anticipate-kirk-cousins-coming-back/]Jay Gruden: We totally anticipate Kirk Cousins coming back | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I am 100% happy about this news! I will be happier when we can read about the details of Kirk's new contract here!

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Well, hes going to need a contract soon, if you follow him on Twitter it appears his wife is spending plenty of his money.
Oh, and she has a nice rack.
[img]http://fabwags.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Kirk-Cousins-wife-Julie-Hampton-Cousins-pic.jpg[/img]

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The thing is if you get the defense ranked to say 15th in the league that takes a whole lot of pressure off KC. KC is a very good QB but he will never be a Aaron Rogers put this team on my back I am carrying them to the NFC Championship game QB.

The Giants might be the blue print for how to rebuild our defense through FA. You take the Giants D and our O and make a team we are easily one of the top teams in the league.

I think we also need a legit RB. Fat Rob was cute for half a season but he is not going to get it done all next season.

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Listening to Cooley and Kevin... starting to get very nervous about Kirk coming back. Sounds like it's a SM issue with Kirk. Why can't this organization ever get it right?? Why would you want to start over with an unproven QB??


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[quote=Brody81;1163972]Listening to Cooley and Kevin... starting to get very nervous about Kirk coming back. Sounds like it's a SM issue with Kirk. Why can't this organization ever get it right?? Why would you want to start over with an unproven QB??


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I will say it again but that whole thing after the Packers game between SM and KC I believe there is some tension between those two.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1163973]I will say it again but that whole thing after the Packers game between SM and KC I believe there is some tension between those two.[/QUOTE]



I think he is gone. I have a pit in my stomach that won't go away. I can't continue to support this team when guys running this organization care more about how they feel (Ego) than winning. Get ready for Colt. [emoji35]


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As many stupid things that this organization has done in the past, I really don't think they let Cousins go without having something huge in return. We can now say Kirk Cousins in a Pro Bowl quarterback. He's clearly the best QB this team has had in years. For the Redskins to let Cousins go would be asinine. I would almost bet anything you hear in the media about Cousins going to the 49ers or the Redskins brass having spats with Cousins is purely speculation created in order to help build Kirk's marketability. It's either created by his agent or someone else wanting to sabotage any deal the 'skins might try to lay out on the table for KC.

Even if it's true that Scot McCloughan or Dan Snyder don't care for Cousins (and I really find that hard to believe to be honest), I don't think either are dumb enough to think Cousins is expendable at this point.

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If I were in charge of the skins I make an offer of around 22mm per year for 5/6 years 75mm guaranteed. If he does not take that then put the non exclusive franchise tag on him and let him test the market and set a price for us, if that comes back too high then let him walk and collect two first rounder's (hopefully from SF), then take the best Defensive prospect available and Deshaun Watson on #17 and let there be an open competition with him and Colt in the preseason.

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[quote=hutch17;1163978]If I were in charge of the skins I make an offer of around 22mm per year for 5/6 years 75mm guaranteed. If he does not take that then put the non exclusive franchise tag on him and let him test the market and set a price for us, if that comes back too high then let him walk and collect two first rounder's (hopefully from SF), then take the best Defensive prospect available and Deshaun Watson on #17 and let there be an open competition with him and Colt in the preseason.[/quote]

Cousins is not taking $22M/yr at this point. That ship sailed last year. Hell, even last year, I don't think Cousins takes $22M/year. His tag number is going to be $24M - so that is where the baseline of negotiations start. I would not doubt if we don't hear about Cousins getting around $27M/yr and around $60M guaranteed. I would think if he settles on $25M/yr, then they need to hand him a pen and be done with it.

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Cousins aint going anywhere!! and On the SLIM chance he does think about the pressure that will be on who makes the draft pick(s) that we get in exchange.If we get Say 2 number ones and both don't end up being all world out of the gate then somebody looks very stupid and remember our number one last year is looking not so great..I say they sign Cousins!

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I think you sign him before FT even is tendered. Even if that means a 25-26million average per year over 6 years, with 65 guaranteed.
a few points:
1) if you tag him, he now knows next years tag is 33million. That's even more outlandish than 24 million
2) if you let him test the market, some team will make a crazy offer (when is the last time a Pro Bowl/record setting qb hit free agency in the prime of his career?)
3) yes 25mill is high this year, but likely the cap hit would be 19-21million, more than doable with 65Million in space. and going forward his cap hit will decline [I]as a percentage of the cap[/I] (assuming its continued growth). Think about Aaron Rodgers, Could anyone sign him now for what GB signed him for what he was signed for in 2013/14. No way.
4) d***it I just want the Skins qb situation to be a done deal with a competent qb. Is that too much to ask???????

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1163982]I think you sign him before FT even is tendered. Even if that means a 25-26million average per year over 6 years, with 65 guaranteed.
a few points:
1) if you tag him, he now knows next years tag is 33million. That's even more outlandish than 24 million
2) if you let him test the market, some team will make a crazy offer (when is the last time a Pro Bowl/record setting qb hit free agency in the prime of his career?)
3) yes 25mill is high this year, but likely the cap hit would be 19-21million, more than doable with 65Million in space. and going forward his cap hit will decline [I]as a percentage of the cap[/I] (assuming it's continued growth). Think about Aaron Rodgers, Could anyone sign him now for what GB signed him for what he was signed for in 2013/14. No way.
4) d***it I just want the Skins qb situation to be a done deal with a competent qb. Is that too much to ask???????[/quote]

Yeah, at this point, I don't think it's rocket science. You sign Kirk Cousins to a long term deal as soon as you can. No need to get cute with slapping the non-exclusive on him, and slapping the FT on him again would just give Cousins and his agent incentive to wait until the end of next year to get an enormous contract that may not work into the Redskins budget at that point. In a few years, $25M/yr will seem like chicken feed. (I can't believe I just said that! Phew!)

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Round and round we go. Think I'll ask the girl making my next burrito at Chipotle what she thinks of all this. I'll let you guys know.

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[quote=MTK;1164015]Round and round we go. Think I'll ask the girl making my next burrito at Chipotle what she thinks of all this. I'll let you guys know.[/quote]

The Hooters girls will definitely know.

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[quote=hutch17;1163978]If I were in charge of the skins I make an offer of around 22mm per year for 5/6 years 75mm guaranteed. If he does not take that then put the non exclusive franchise tag on him and let him test the market and set a price for us, if that comes back too high then let him walk and collect two first rounder's (hopefully from SF), then take the best Defensive prospect available and Deshaun Watson on #17 and let there be an open competition with him and Colt in the preseason.[/quote]

I would be surprised if Watson falls to 17th. I think IF we get SF's first round pick...I would go with Watson at 2 and there will still be good defensive prospects available at 17. To me, if this happens....Watson is the only proven QB in the draft compared to the other two projected first rounders.

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[quote=metalskins;1164016]The Hooters girls will definitely know.[/quote]

I'll ask all the strippers this weekend. I'm sure they will clue me in. Hopefully it corroborates with what my Uber drivers to and fro say.