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The internal promotions to OC and DC don't bother me very much. There is something about continuity that appeals to me. There are few NFL teams who couldn't find "better" coaches than the ones they already have as evaluated on a stand-alone basis; however, any newly-hired coaches might not mesh well with the HC or all of the hold-over coaches. So, we'll see what happens.

As for whether or not Jay's and Scot's respective contributions warrant long-term contracts for each of them, that is apparently yet to be determined by top management. I'm not overly concerned about their contracts because the NFL is a "What have you done for me lately?" league and I accept that as fact.

Nevertheless, I also think that the team has made good progress under Scot and Jay. So, in the interest of giving the football side of the business a chance to mature into an organization that can eventually produce a perennial contender, I'd like to see both Scot and Jay retained for at least two more seasons, even if Dan Snyder's appraisal of each of them is that they did "good" but not "great" jobs. Poor performance, of course, would be unacceptable.

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Redskins HC's under Dan Snyder

22 Norv Turner 1999–2000 (coach since 94 - Snyder bought the team in 99)
23 Terry Robiskie [h] 2000
24 Marty Schottenheimer 2001
25 Steve Spurrier 2002–2003
– Joe Gibbs 2004–2007
26 Jim Zorn 2008–2009
27 Mike Shanahan 2010–2013
28 Jay Gruden

From Spurrier to Shanahan, who did you want DS to keep longer?

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Yeah exactly. It's well documented that we should have found a way to work it out with Schottenheimer. But after that, we made the right moves at the right time.

Every owner in the league would have zipped Spurrier at that point, Gibbs retired on his own accord, every owner in the league would have zipped Zorn at that point given that we had a decent team when Gibbs left and Zorn took it in the wrong direction, and Shanny ran himself out of town.

Since Schottenheimer, Snyder's handling of coaches has been exactly what every other owner would do in the same situation.

Now, Snyder's actions under the Cerrato front office certainly undermined some of those coaches. We can pin that on him for sure. But he has since nicely put that to bed, as well with the McCloughan hire.

It took forever but he's finally behaving like an owner who knows how to set up organizational hierarchy and process.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1164058]Redskins HC's under Dan Snyder

22 Norv Turner 1999–2000 (coach since 94 - Snyder bought the team in 99)
23 Terry Robiskie [h] 2000
24 Marty Schottenheimer 2001
25 Steve Spurrier 2002–2003
– Joe Gibbs 2004–2007
26 Jim Zorn 2008–2009
27 Mike Shanahan 2010–2013
28 Jay Gruden

From Spurrier to Shanahan, who did you want DS to keep longer?[/quote]

I'm not talking from my personal opinion necessarily, but I think you could make an argument that he shouldn't have cut short Schottenheimer, Shanahan, and Greg Williams (promised HC position; had rug pulled out from under him).

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Williams was never promised anything. If Gibbs had recommended that Williams take over you can be sure Snyder would have hired him, but he didn't.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1164058]Redskins HC's under Dan Snyder

22 Norv Turner 1999–2000 (coach since 94 - Snyder bought the team in 99)
23 Terry Robiskie [h] 2000
24 Marty Schottenheimer 2001
25 Steve Spurrier 2002–2003
– Joe Gibbs 2004–2007
26 Jim Zorn 2008–2009
27 Mike Shanahan 2010–2013
28 Jay Gruden

From Spurrier to Shanahan, who did you want DS to keep longer?[/quote]

No question, Marty Schottenheimer.

It's not an argument of whether or not Dan Snyder made the right firings. It's simply the fact that by year four, a coach either gets extended or gets fired. And he's usually considered in the hot seat (or warm seat) if the team has shown no signs of improvement from year two to three. It's subjective if we think the Redskins shown improvement from 2015. You can say they did improve, because the offense was consistently good throughout the season, where as they struggled in the first part of the 2015 season. However, when it came to wins and losses in 2016, no improvement. And that's what means the most.

So, having said that, rightfully so, Jay Gruden is going to be, at least, on the warm seat going into 2017. It can cool off pretty quickly if the Redskins can get to a fast start, but should the 'skins end 2017 with 8 or 9 wins, I don't think that is enough to have Gruden back for a 5th year. And if that's the case, his coaching staff is probably shown the door as well. And, I don't believe it's going to be because the offense regresses. All eyes are going to be one the defense, and again, as a defensive coordinator, while Jay Gruden might be the one getting the brunt of the blame, all eyes are on you to make the defense at least slightly better. The sentiment is that the defense is what's holding this team back from being contenders.

And that's why I feel these defensive coordinator candidates were probably thinking twice about coming here. That's a lot of pressure. There's not a lot of talent (from what they feel), and it's probably a tough situation. Even Gruden turns out to be completely safe with his job, who's to say that a very rough outing with the defense doesn't get Manusky fired and yet another guy coming in next year? I just believe in the end, the Redskins didn't have a choice but to promote from within. And who knows, that may turn out to be the best thing that has ever happened for the Redskins. I'm a bit skeptical though, but I'm rooting for Greg Manusky.

Hey, bright side, at least we did get a Greg to run the defense! ;)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1164058]Redskins HC's under Dan Snyder

22 Norv Turner 1999–2000 (coach since 94 - Snyder bought the team in 99)
23 Terry Robiskie [h] 2000
24 Marty Schottenheimer 2001
25 Steve Spurrier 2002–2003
– Joe Gibbs 2004–2007
26 Jim Zorn 2008–2009
27 Mike Shanahan 2010–2013
28 Jay Gruden

From Spurrier to Shanahan, who did you want DS to keep longer?[/quote]

I am in the camp that thinks we should extend Gruden. I realize he still has clock management issues, but he is definitely growing in the role.

I really believe if we had done more for the defense last off season (FA [U]or[/U] Draft), we could have managed another year of playoffs.

Win or Lose, we are in just about every game and it wasn't always that way.

So, if we improve the defense (it won't be hard compared to last year) and improve the run game a bit, I think we start winning more of those close ones and actually compete with the big boys.

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One of the biggest strengths for Gruden is his ability to keep the locker room. His relationship with the team and, more importantly, his decisions to do what is best for the team at risk to himself: i.e Stating KC and canning Haz and JB.

Gruden is pretty damn good at team building. That is what a head coach does. Not the easiest environment to do it in either. I support Gruden here for at least 3 more years.

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[quote=Kope;1164115]One of the biggest strengths for Gruden is his ability to keep the locker room. His relationship with the team and, more importantly, his decisions to do what is best for the team at risk to himself: i.e Stating KC and canning Haz and JB.

Gruden is pretty damn good at team building. That is what a head coach does. Not the environment to do it in either. I support Gruden here for at least 3 more years.[/quote]

Oh me too. Honestly, I think Jay Gruden is one of those coaches that you need to hold on to. I think he's a much better coach than his brother. He's learning to be a head coach in the league. If Dallas can hold on to Garrett all this time, no reason why the 'skins shouldn't.

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[quote=metalskins;1164119]Oh me too. Honestly, I think Jay Gruden is one of those coaches that you need to hold on to. I think he's a much better coach than his brother. He's learning to be a head coach in the league. If Dallas can hold on to Garrett all this time, no reason why the 'skins shouldn't.[/quote]

Plus if Jay walks out nobody is coming here, this place is a black hole.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1164127]Plus if Jay walks out nobody is coming here, this place is a black hole.[/QUOTE]
Well Said!

I completely agree agree!

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Agreed, extend Gruden this offseason, sign Cousins asap and let's continue building stability.

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[quote=mredskins;1164127]Plus if Jay walks out nobody is coming here, this place is a black hole.[/quote]

Jay is a good coach. Thing is we have seen all of these older head coaches retire and the young guns replacing them either aren't up to the task or just need time to get established. There are no big name coaches left from the 90's save
Reid. Cowher isn't coming back and neither is
Shanny. Have to let the newbies have a shot at greatness to fill the coaching vacuum.

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[quote=mredskins;1164127]Plus if Jay walks out nobody is coming here, this place is a black hole.[/quote]

You can thank our owner for our wonderful reputation! Even came off as a douche defending the nickname when Olberman was nailing him on that. He should have just "Trumped" him! !!!!

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1164169]Jay is a good coach. Thing is we have seen all of these older head coaches retire and the young guns replacing them either aren't up to the task or just need time to get established. There are no big name coaches left from the 90's save
Reid. Cowher isn't coming back and neither is
Shanny. Have to let the newbies have a shot at greatness to fill the coaching vacuum.[/quote]

Aren't up to the task? What about the Falcon's head coach? Taking Atlanta to the Super Bowl in his second year as a head coach.

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[quote=metalskins;1164227]Aren't up to the task? What about the Falcon's head coach? Taking Atlanta to the Super Bowl in his second year as a head coach.[/quote]

You mean the defensive coach with the number 1 offense and bottom of the barrel defense?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1164232]You mean the defensive coach with the number 1 offense and bottom of the barrel defense?[/quote]

I think he means the young coach who changed the culture of a team in 2 years and has a defense getting better each week. A defense that has seven first or second year players starting in the SB.

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[quote=Kope;1164236]I think he means the young coach who changed the culture of a team in 2 years and has a defense getting better each week. A defense that has seven first or second year players starting in the SB.[/quote]

That's exactly what I mean. I don't look at head coaches as offensive or defensive. Yes, they transition, often, from coordinating either side, but my belief is that when they put on the hat as head coach, they take on a whole different aspect of responsibility. Sure, you'll see offensive guys still calling plays, but there's a heck of a lot more involved as head coach.

And the fact that Dan Quinn has been able to coach the Falcons to a Super Bowl in his second year is impressive. He's a young guy. That's why I question why someone would say the younger coaches aren't up to task when there's a young, second year head coach coaching in the Super Bowl this year.

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[quote=J. Falcon;1164149]Agreed, extend Gruden this offseason, sign Cousins asap and let's continue building stability.[/quote]

well said, I agree on all points. Stability is a good thing right now.

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Brief synopsis detailing each of Manusky's seasons as a defensive coordinator:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/redskins-defensive-coordinator-resume-greg-manusky]Redskins defensive coordinator resume: Greg Manusky | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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Per Kiem:

Some Redskins related coaching news: They have interviewed Tim Lewis and Chris Harris for the secondary coach position. One source said they had interviewed three coaches for this job and one would be named soon, but was unsure of the third coach. They did talk to former secondary coach Dennis Thurman when they were looking for a defensive coordinator. Also, a source confirmed that former Redskins assistant defensive backs coach Aubrey Pleasant and Redskins offensive assistant Shane Waldron are joining the Los Angeles Rams' staff. Pleasant, as the Washington Post first reported, will be the secondary coach. Waldron, as the Sporting News reported, will be the tight ends coach.

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[quote=Chico23231;1164539]Per Kiem:

Some Redskins related coaching news: They have interviewed Tim Lewis and Chris Harris for the secondary coach position. One source said they had interviewed three coaches for this job and one would be named soon, but was unsure of the third coach. They did talk to former secondary coach Dennis Thurman when they were looking for a defensive coordinator. Also, a source confirmed that former Redskins assistant defensive backs coach Aubrey Pleasant and Redskins offensive assistant Shane Waldron are joining the Los Angeles Rams' staff. Pleasant, as the Washington Post first reported, will be the secondary coach. Waldron, as the Sporting News reported, will be the tight ends coach.[/quote]

When we play the Rams next year, I hope we pound the shit out of them, given how McVay has shamelessly raided us (and scooped Wade Phillips). Not a good sign that assistants we really like are ready to bolt for a 30-year-old head coach instead of staying put.

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[quote=calia;1164540]When we play the Rams next year, I hope we pound the shit out of them, given how McVay has shamelessly raided us (and scooped Wade Phillips). Not a good sign that assistants we really like are ready to bolt for a 30-year-old head coach instead of staying put.[/quote]

I think your complaints are without merit. It is only right to allow two young coaches to accept promotions elsewhere that they were not going to get here. Wade Phillips didn't want to come here. It is as simple as that, in his case.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1164547]I think your complaints are without merit. It is only right to allow two young coaches to accept promotions elsewhere that they were not going to get here. Wade Phillips didn't want to come here. It is as simple as that, in his case.[/quote]

Agreed. No reason to attack Sean, he's a young coach with a bright future, glad he was here and helped our offense for years. Seemed like a good guy. Good luck to him and his staff.

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I like the DB coach hire:

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/30087/redskins-hire-torrian-gray-as-secondary-coach]Washington Redskins hire Torrian Gray as secondary coach - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1164640]I like the DB coach hire:

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/30087/redskins-hire-torrian-gray-as-secondary-coach]Washington Redskins hire Torrian Gray as secondary coach - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

well, Florida had a great Pass Defense last year, so I guess that's positive. Is this his first NFL coaching experience, though?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1164640]I like the DB coach hire:

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/30087/redskins-hire-torrian-gray-as-secondary-coach]Washington Redskins hire Torrian Gray as secondary coach - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

Wow...well anyone who knows va tech certainly knows torrian gray. Also the NFL knows his talent, he's put multiple secondary players there.

Gray coached current Redskins cornerback Kendall Fuller, a third-round draft choice last spring, at Virginia Tech. Ten Hokies coached by Gray were drafted in the NFL, including Seattle safety Kam Chancellor, corner Brandon Flowers and former Redskins safety Kyshoen Jarrett. Four of those players were drafted between 2014-16

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I like the Gray hire

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[quote=Chico23231;1164644]Wow...well anyone who knows va tech certainly knows torrian gray. Also the NFL knows his talent, he's put multiple secondary players there.

Gray coached current Redskins cornerback Kendall Fuller, a third-round draft choice last spring, at Virginia Tech. Ten Hokies coached by Gray were drafted in the NFL, including Seattle safety Kam Chancellor, corner Brandon Flowers and former Redskins safety Kyshoen Jarrett. Four of those players were drafted between 2014-16[/quote]

I was just about to post this. As a Skins and Seminoles fan this looks to be good for our team and bad for the Gators. Double win. I like it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1164644]Wow...well anyone who knows va tech certainly knows torrian gray. Also the NFL knows his talent, he's put multiple secondary players there.

Gray coached current Redskins cornerback Kendall Fuller, a third-round draft choice last spring, at Virginia Tech. Ten Hokies coached by Gray were drafted in the NFL, including Seattle safety Kam Chancellor, corner Brandon Flowers and former Redskins safety Kyshoen Jarrett. Four of those players were drafted between 2014-16[/quote]

As a Tech fan I know he has the college pedigree, but we'll see what kind of adjustment it will be. He has had a lot of success and VT has had a lot of secondary players turn out good in the NFL, so that bodes well.

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[quote=mooby;1164654]As a Tech fan I know he has the college pedigree, but we'll see what kind of adjustment it will be. He has had a lot of success and VT has had a lot of secondary players turn out good in the NFL, so that bodes well.[/quote]

Just like any job in the world, you can't get NFL experience until someone gives you the chance to get some. His pedigree seems great, he's been successful every where, no reason to think he won't be here. I like it. HTTR!

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[quote=Chico23231;1164644]
Gray coached current Redskins cornerback Kendall Fuller, a third-round draft choice last spring, at Virginia Tech. Ten Hokies coached by Gray were drafted in the NFL, including Seattle safety Kam Chancellor, corner Brandon Flowers and former Redskins safety Kyshoen Jarrett. Four of those players were drafted between 2014-16[/quote]

That is pretty stout, also three of the four DBs from FL rated high this year. This is legit.

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I listened to Greg Manusky on Cooley and Kevin (03/16 show [url]http://www.espn980.com/cooley-and-kevin-with-chris-cooley-and-kevin-sheehan-podcasts/[/url] ).
He said some interesting things, 3 caught my attention :

-When asked about what he's expecting from Breeland, he said "he needs to listen", said that listening is the number one quality a player must have "if you don't have it you're garage" ! Man that DB room must have been a REAL mess last year... Sounds like Breeland was a big part of it.

-He said he was a big believer in bringing pressure. That should make some of us happy.

-When discussing playcalling he said he didn't care that much about the call, most importantly he wants players to be on the same page, it drives him crazy hearing a player say "I didn't get the call".


Overall he sounded like somedy trying to sound nice on radio but who wasn't going to be nice at all in the locker room, wasn't willing to accept any kind of the crap that happened last year.
And I LOVE that!

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1168464]I listened to Greg Manusky on Cooley and Kevin (03/16 show [url=http://www.espn980.com/cooley-and-kevin-with-chris-cooley-and-kevin-sheehan-podcasts/]Cooley and Kevin with Chris Cooley and Kevin Sheehan Podcasts | ESPN 980[/url] ).
He said some interesting things, 3 caught my attention :

-When asked about what he's expecting from Breeland, he said "he needs to listen", said that listening is the number one quality a player must have "if you don't have it you're garage" ! Man that DB room must have been a REAL mess last year... Sounds like Breeland was a big part of it.

-He said he was a big believer in bringing pressure. That should make some of us happy.

-When discussing playcalling he said he didn't care that much about the call, most importantly he wants players to be on the same page, it drives him crazy hearing a player say "I didn't get the call".


Overall he sounded like somedy trying to sound nice on radio but who wasn't going to be nice at all in the locker room, wasn't willing to accept any kind of the crap that happened last year.
And I LOVE that!

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If you look at Sacks and Turnovers...these were never really he problem. We did a decent job there.

Its getting off the field on 3rd down and run defense. We get blasted when in the nickel against the run. And to me, its alllllll about the call 3rd down which lead to our terrible ratios. We need to make adjustments...communication is key.

Sounds like Perry Fewell really had our secondary in shambles.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1168464]
-When asked about what he's expecting from Breeland, he said "he needs to listen", said that listening is the number one quality a player must have "if you don't have it you're garage" ! Man that DB room must have been a REAL mess last year... Sounds like Breeland was a big part of it.

-When discussing playcalling he said he didn't care that much about the call, most importantly he wants players to be on the same page, it drives him crazy hearing a player say "I didn't get the call".
[/quote]

Yeah, not sure what was happening in locker room, but from bunch of reports it seems like there was clear mutiny / people freelancing / people not on same page. Ultimately that comes down to the coach, but likely involves the type of players you have. Maybe people weren't listening to Joe Barry because the calls were just late to come in / bad calls? Maybe just a few players who were causing it -- wonder if Baker / Jean-Francois were part of the mutiny..?

Hoping it will be better with Manusky. He's an internal candidate, so technically he was part of blame last year, but could be better now that he's in charge.. You can talk tough in the offseason but just need to see results.

Breeland- just needs to play. Get the feeling the talent is there but he's been holding himself back because of lack of focus. Bet he was really offended when Norman started to travel because Bree screwed up with #1 WR - and Breeland never recovered after that..

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I worry Breeland will be Amerson for us. He seems ultra frustrated and it's obvious the talent is there. Just can't see us extending him.

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Breeland is a head case..I'm not sure he will ever reach his potential.

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[quote=Chico23231;1168465]If you look at Sacks and Turnovers...these were never really he problem. We did a decent job there.

Its getting off the field on 3rd down and run defense. We get blasted when in the nickel against the run. And to me, its alllllll about the call 3rd down which lead to our terrible ratios. We need to make adjustments...communication is key.

Sounds like Perry Fewell really had our secondary in shambles.[/quote]

I've never seen a defensive secondary so confused in my life. It was as if none of the defensive backs knew where their positions were on the field or what the call was.

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1168504]I've never seen a defensive secondary so confused in my life. It was as if none of the defensive backs knew where their positions were on the field or what the call was.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Would be fun (and extremely sad) to know how many huge plays we allowed just because of blown assignments.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1168510]Yeah. Would be fun (and extremely sad) to know how many huge plays we allowed just because of blown assignments.

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No doubt! And it wasn't always Breeland. Norman had looked lost at times as well, although he was probably expecting safety help.