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WiLLH great write up, god bless you for watching x2.

I think in hindsight probably should have kept DJAX or PG. WR went from our strongest position to one the least strongest.

I will say glad we didn't lock KC up, lets see what he does this year with out PG and DJAX. My guess, its going to be obvious he is not worth the $$$.

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The skins are hated by the league folks, they want the name changed and they don't like Dan because he fights them for it.. Until it happens we will always get the bad calls, if that was any other team, you would still be hearing about it.

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Kirk is a proven slow starter, I think it would be wise to ease up with the constant contract analysis.

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The offense in general has been a slow starter. I will say I expected a lot more penalties. JReed should never ever be asked to block. His holding penalties are ...
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[quote=MTK;1173932]Kirk is a proven slow starter, I think it would be wise to ease up with the constant contract analysis.[/quote]

Yeah I think this week he'll start to get it going more, by week 3 against a bad Oakland secondary he will probably be back.

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[quote=MTK;1173932]Kirk is a proven slow starter, I think it would be wise to ease up with the constant contract analysis.[/quote]

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/33076/numbers-say-kirk-cousins-must-improve-under-duress]Stats say Washington Redskins' Kirk Cousins must improve under duress - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=mredskins;1173936][url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/33076/numbers-say-kirk-cousins-must-improve-under-duress]Stats say Washington Redskins' Kirk Cousins must improve under duress - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

Surprised to see some of those stats, he's just 1 behind AROD under duress? Pretty crazy. With Kirk it boils down to pass pro, like with Bradford, both can look amazing when they have the time, like all QBs... Unfortunately our OL didn't play good enough sunday.

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[quote=mredskins;1173936][url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/33076/numbers-say-kirk-cousins-must-improve-under-duress]Stats say Washington Redskins' Kirk Cousins must improve under duress - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

Very True...but again you have to point to Gruden playcalling and scheme adjustments. If your getting your ass kicked on the Oline most the game, well dammit, you adjust and give help starting in the 3rd quarter.

you don't keep running 3 wide and empty sets...


Bradford had a clean pocket last night...give Cousins the same pocket, we probably win the game. Oline must step the fuck up

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A little off topic, but it is so stupid to have 12 to 16 different running schemes. With that many different blocking schemes, asst least one person on every play is missing an assignment.

Cut it in half, simplify, and execute. We have the talent to run the ball. I don't know how much is Jay, how much is Callahan but this is so frustratingly stupid.

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A win in September counts as much as a win in December.

Defense run game was much better but allowing 8/14 3rd down conversions is a killer. TOP favored Eagles by a good margin.

Cousins INT was ugly. Right read, right decision .... horrible mechanics and throw. That was a gimme TD.

Controversial fumble call to basically end the game. I think Kirk may have had an empty hand going forward, ball was loose/coming out before pressure or hand going forward. idk ...

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In the NFL any win is a huge win, you only play 16 games.

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[quote=Chico23231;1173938]Very True...but again you have to point to Gruden playcalling and scheme adjustments. If your getting your ass kicked on the Oline most the game, well dammit, you adjust and give help starting in the 3rd quarter.

you don't keep running 3 wide and empty sets...


Bradford had a clean pocket last night...give Cousins the same pocket, we probably win the game. Oline must step the fuck up[/quote]

Yes, I agree that adjustments are sorely lacking. I also feel that JG gives lip service to running the ball better but he hasn't shown the commitment to make that happen. Gruden has eliminated the true FB position and he doesn't seem to appreciate key role players, such as a blocking TE.

D Young was a damn fine FB but he was dumped. Just go back and look at his beastly run blocking and compare it to the few times Gruden uses Niles Paul in that role. There is a huge difference.

BTW, why are three of our TE's exactly the same type of player, none of whom can block for shit? Do you mean to tell me that a coach who really wants to run the ball can't get his FO to go out and find him a blocking TE? I mean a beast! If Gruden really wanted to run the ball, he would find that beast now and trade for him. You know, a ROLE PLAYER. Who gives a damn if he can catch the ball or not? Not me.

Gruden also put our most productive RB in the dog house and then cut him over fumbling issues. Neither Fat Rob nor Perrine hit the hole for shit. They slow down at the LOS and dance. At least Brown hits it hard and he's the most likely RB to break off a long run. He should get some chances.

I'm convinced that the root cause of our problems running the ball is the lack of commitment on the part of our HC to make it happen - whatever it takes. Talk is cheap and I'm no longer listening to Gruden's empty words about getting the running game going.

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[quote=insane4theskinsi;1173909]snyder is a billionaire,that means he knew basic business at some point.he has picked nothing but shitty football people since he bought the team,[B]vinny,shanny[/B],allen,and everything from the pro scouts have shit the bed since he hired them with the exception of scotty m.how the hell does he not see how they have all just been total failures.malcolm kelly,rod gardner,jason campbell,rg3,all basically complete failures as players,and now doctson. how the hell is the guy that blind?[/quote]

I am not going to call these two shitty. While I am not fond of Vinny his track record elsewhere suggests a decent football acumen. I think the problem is the first name you mentioned.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1173942]Yes, I agree that adjustments are sorely lacking. I also feel that JG gives lip service to running the ball better but he hasn't shown the commitment to make that happen. Gruden has eliminated the true FB position and he doesn't seem to appreciate key role players, such as a blocking TE.

D Young was a damn fine FB but he was dumped. Just go back and look at his beastly run blocking and compare it to the few times Gruden uses Niles Paul in that role. There is a huge difference.

BTW, why are three of our TE's exactly the same type of player, none of whom can block for shit? Do you mean to tell me that a coach who really wants to run the ball can't get his FO to go out and find him a blocking TE? I mean a beast! If Gruden really wanted to run the ball, he would find that beast now and trade for him. You know, a ROLE PLAYER. Who gives a damn if he can catch the ball or not? Not me.

Gruden also put our most productive RB in the dog house and then cut him over fumbling issues. Neither Fat Rob nor Perrine hit the hole for shit. They slow down at the LOS and dance. At least Brown hits it hard and he's the most likely RB to break off a long run. He should get some chances.

I'm convinced that the root cause of our problems running the ball is the lack of commitment on the part of our HC to make it happen - whatever it takes. Talk is cheap and I'm no longer listening to Gruden's empty words about getting the running game going.[/quote]

The idea of having the Skins become a running team just isn't relevant in the modern NFL. Its not that running is unimportant but its passing that's most important now and the top salaries reflect that. However the Skins move the chains doesn't matter but they have to get better at making that happen.

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[quote=MTK;1173932]Kirk is a proven slow starter, I think it would be wise to ease up with the constant contract analysis.[/quote]

The problem is that when you ask to be paid like the top in the profession, you are expected to play like the top in the profession. He again showed that he is not in - or anyway near - the top in the league.

I wonder why more folks here aren't as upset as I am that Gruden called that TO with about one minute to go in the first half. The Skins were winning and the Eagles had a 3rd and long in their own half. Let them run out the clock - not like the Skins offense was just running up and down the field - and get out of there with a lead. Instead, TO, Eagles make first down, score on last play of half. That was a heartbreaker, especially considering the Skins had to kick right back to them.

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[quote=btfoom;1173945]
I wonder why more folks here aren't as upset as I am that Gruden called that TO with about one minute to go in the first half. The Skins were winning and the Eagles had a 3rd and long in their own half. [/quote]

It was 3rd and 10 with 1:04 mins left on the clock and the Eagles had the ball on their 25 yard line ... Im guessing he had faith that our D could get a stop. Its not like the Eagles were on their 45 yard line.

More upset the Eagles were able to convert and go down the field to set up a FG attempt. More upset we are continuing the trend of not getting stops on 3rd and longs and letting TEs rack up numbers on us.

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god im sick of talking about this crap....going to the boob thread. peace

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[quote=irish;1173944]The idea of having the Skins become a running team just isn't relevant in the modern NFL. Its not that running is unimportant but its passing that's most important now and the top salaries reflect that. However the Skins move the chains doesn't matter but they have to get better at making that happen.[/quote]

Then why does Coach Gruden tell us every week that "We have to run the ball better"?

That's "have to", as in [I]need[/I] to, run the ball better.

Being able to run the ball on 1st down, short yardage, and to close out games does not make a team a running team. Just a balanced one.

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[QUOTE=btfoom;1173945]The problem is that when you ask to be paid like the top in the profession, you are expected to play like the top in the profession. He again showed that he is not in - or anyway near - the top in the league.



I wonder why more folks here aren't as upset as I am that Gruden called that TO with about one minute to go in the first half. The Skins were winning and the Eagles had a 3rd and long in their own half. Let them run out the clock - not like the Skins offense was just running up and down the field - and get out of there with a lead. Instead, TO, Eagles make first down, score on last play of half. That was a heartbreaker, especially considering the Skins had to kick right back to them.[/QUOTE]



Do you think Stafford is the best QB right now? It's all about timing when you hit the market, not if you're the best or not. One game doesn't decide your value.

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[quote=Chico23231;1173947]god im sick of talking about this crap....going to the boob thread. peace[/quote]

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[quote=MTK;1173949]Do you think Stafford is the best QB right now? It's all about timing when you hit the market, not if you're the best or not. One game doesn't decide your value.[/quote]

One game doesn't decide your value, unfortunately for Kirk, he has played poorly in two very high profile games: the Giants game that could have taken the team to the playoffs and the season opener after he turned down a pretty fair offer by the team.

Kirk has a season to show that he deserves the highest contract at the end of the season based on market value. If he continues to be a slow starting QB, whose ceiling is 8-8/9-7, he's not going to get it.

People will continue to hold both Kirk and the team to the lack of a long-term contract. If Kirk had been lights out on Sunday, people here would be screaming at the team for screwing things up.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1173952]One game doesn't decide your value, unfortunately for Kirk, he has played poorly in two very high profile games: the Giants game that could have taken the team to the playoffs and the season opener after he turned down a pretty fair offer by the team.



Kirk has a season to show that he deserves the highest contract at the end of the season based on market value. If he continues to be a slow starting QB, whose ceiling is 8-8/9-7, he's not going to get it.



People will continue to hold both Kirk and the team to the lack of a long-term contract. If Kirk had been lights out on Sunday, people here would be screaming at the team for screwing things up.[/QUOTE]


I kind of doubt the reaction in favor of him getting a deal would be nearly as strong. Sort of how when we win the forum can be rather quiet, opposed to the shit hitting the fan after any loss.

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Next time he throws for 300 yards and 3 TDs I'll definitely be sure to rev up the show him the money train lol

If you looked closely enough at Stafford there were plenty of reasons to justify not paying him too, but in the end if you have a good QB you have to pay him, there's this fallacy that only the top few guys should get paid, it just doesn't work that way anymore

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[quote=MTK;1173954][B]Next time he throws for 300 yards and 3 TDs I'll definitely be sure to rev up the show him the money train lol
[/B]
If you looked closely enough at Stafford there were plenty of reasons to justify not paying him too, but in the end if you have a good QB you have to pay him, there's this fallacy that only the top few guys should get paid, it just doesn't work that way anymore[/quote]

:laughing-

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Lets hope that next time is Sunday afternoon, and we win the damn game

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Just finished watching the game.

Everything has been said here.

I'll just add our defense could look really solid if they simply improve their tackling: [B]how many sacks would we have had[/B], had they just wrapped Wentz up ?

I really think Manusky is bringing a new philosophy to this D, guys like Preston Smith, Breeland, Fuller and even Kerrigan are already showing better versions of themselves.
Playcalling also looks better, more pressure, and creative blitzes.

Even McGee showed up in this game.

Now offense needs to step it up.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1173957]Just finished watching the game.

Everything has been said here.

I'll just add our defense could look really solid if they simply improve their tackling: [B]how many sacks would we have had[/B], had they just wrapped Wentz up ?

I really think Manusky is bringing a new philosophy to this D, guys like Preston Smith, Breeland, Fuller and even Kerrigan are already showing better versions of themselves.
Playcalling also looks better, more pressure, and creative blitzes.

Even McGee showed up in this game.

Now offense needs to step it up.[/quote]


Good thing is , we know Sean's offense... Now we need to get to goff and luckily the rams OL isn't anything to brag about.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1173948]Then why does Coach Gruden tell us every week that "We have to run the ball better"?

That's "have to", as in [I]need[/I] to, run the ball better.

Being able to run the ball on 1st down, short yardage, and to close out games does not make a team a running team. Just a balanced one.[/quote]

He says that because they cant run the ball at all. Good teams can run the ball when they have to.

A team doesn't need to be balanced they just need to be able to move the chains. However they do that is unimportant.

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I've already resigned myself to this being a terrible football season and it's already looking that way. ECU Pirates suck balls. Two starters on FF are out for year in first week. Redskins offense looks like pure trash. Not expecting much really.

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[quote=Bangee7;1173913] All the poor play we saw in pre-season really did carry over to the season.[/quote]


This is my biggest issue with these "player coaches" that have lax training camps. I'm more about discipline. No you don't have to be a raging asshole, but discipline is needed more than what we display.

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[quote=MTK;1173949]Do you think Stafford is the best QB right now? It's all about timing when you hit the market, not if you're the best or not. One game doesn't decide your value.[/quote]

For me, it isn't one game. It is now a consistent pattern over his entire time here. The team is a horrific 2-11 with him as QB vs winning teams. That's not a game, it is a trend.

Sure, he can light it up vs lesser teams, but when he NEEDS to win and is under pressure, he folds up and makes bone-headed plays. Last season, first Dallas game, he threw almost the EXACT same interception as vs Philly (he also threw that INT vs Ravens and Giants).

My concern with paying him is that it affects the Cap and the players we can/can't hold.

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Re lack of running game, 1st question to Gruden from his presser yesterday asked why only 13 runs, did the gameplan get away from him a little bit.

Gruden - "Couple other runs called that we threw quick passes on, we'll get that cleaned up a little bit .."

[url=http://wjla.com/sports/washington-redskins/jay-grudens-press-conference-at-redskins-park]Jay Gruden's press conference at Redskins Park | WJLA[/url]

Ive heard this from Gruden before, run call gets changed to a quick pass. I can only assume that Cousins gets discretion to change a run to a pass play based on the pre snap coverage he sees.

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NEVER EVER should we have let BOTH Starting WR's go at same time..BAD BAD Move. one or the other but not both in same off season. If Cousins has a average year let him test the open market ..nobody will pay him top money! I really like what we have done on defense but why in the world did we go backwards on the offense?? Its the same old crap with this team..has anybody done the math of what we could have kept at least one of those Wideouts vs what we had to pay Pryor? We have what looks to me as a project in Doctson..Reed stays hurt, what was a strength in the Oline now looks shaky. Its a house of cards waiting to fall..I can't believe folks would think this team could win 10 games. we may very well go 0-4 and then the house starts to crumble..I hope not but Thats what i believe will happen.

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I think Cousins and the whole Offense struggling all season is a real possibility, but I find it much more likely that they get their s together after a slow start and play to the level that they did last year. The Oline is playing uncharacteristicly bad, and Cousins was off throwing to everyone and he and Crowder and Reed will get on the same page again quickly. Pryor is less likely I suppose, but I think the chances are he improves after some time with Cousins. If we go 0-4 I'll start to buy that losing Garçon and Jackson was the difference of being a good offense or not. It certainly would be surprising to me if their contributions were greater than that of the oline and Cousins last year. Cousins did spread the ball out well, and won some games by shear will. The running game is unlikely to improve though, but I'd like to see Perine handed the ball on that 2nd and 6 in the Redzone before the INT, he scored a lot in that distance. That alone would go a long way toward fixing our biggest problem on Offense. Anyways, Cousins will most probably have similar stats to the past couple of years and play his way back into the playoff race, but this time around if he can't sustain it when the season is on the line, then yeah, let him test the market, but he's likely to get paid somewhere. But until then, I'm going to try to enjoy the ride. I think it is pretty reasonable to expect the new receivers and Cousins to struggle at first as they get used to each other, and hopefully the Offense picks up where it left off last year, the D continues to improve, and Cousins finally gets over whatever is holding him back.

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[quote=MTK;1173954]Next time he throws for 300 yards and 3 TDs I'll definitely be sure to rev up the show him the money train lol

If you looked closely enough at Stafford there were plenty of reasons to justify not paying him too, but in the end if you have a good QB you have to pay him, there's this fallacy that only the top few guys should get paid, it just doesn't work that way anymore[/quote]

You're right about being more loud during losses. For me, its because I expect to win, so I'm not as excited about winning as I am pissed about losing. Why as a Skins fan I expect to win? Now that's a great question lol.

My gf hates that I like football more than her, so she said I have to end this with...sports are stupid, I'm out.

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[quote=rocnrik;1173967]NEVER EVER should we have let BOTH Starting WR's go at same time..BAD BAD Move. [/quote]

I strongly agree with you on this point.

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[quote=rocnrik;1173967]NEVER EVER should we have let BOTH Starting WR's go at same time..BAD BAD Move. one or the other but not both in same off season. If Cousins has a average year let him test the open market ..nobody will pay him top money! I really like what we have done on defense but why in the world did we go backwards on the offense?? Its the same old crap with this team..has anybody done the math of what we could have kept at least one of those Wideouts vs what we had to pay Pryor? We have what looks to me as a project in Doctson..Reed stays hurt, what was a strength in the Oline now looks shaky. Its a house of cards waiting to fall..I can't believe folks would think this team could win 10 games. we may very well go 0-4 and then the house starts to crumble..I hope not but Thats what i believe will happen.[/quote]

Distinct possibility. I was looking at the schedule again last night, and looking at how we played vs the Eagles, i find it hard to think we could win much more beyond 3 games, and i guess that's now not even a given. Hope we find a way to get it together...

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game should not have came down to that fumble.

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this game has blowout all over it.mcvay beating his mentor,donald comins get scalped. the sking back,i think

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[quote=insane4theskinsi;1174014]this game has blowout all over it.mcvay beating his mentor,donald comins get scalped. the sking back,i think[/quote]

If Donald plays the entire game (some think he won't), very possible Cousins is sacked 3 or more times, it could be very ugly.